What is the most distant feature of an MMO? That it is Massively Multiplayer, i.e that you are surrounded by other players when you enter the world. So how many of todays MMOs are realy Massively Multiplayer? GW and EvE is although they are rather old. The same is still true to Aion. On the other hand LotRo is not. Last I logged in there were two,2 !, other players in my area. It kept staying like that everytime I checked in on various servers. As far as I have understood this is true to Vanguard, WAR and probably a bunch of other major MMOs. Is this genre dying down when it comes to the AAA MMOs? What other AAA MMOs can truely call themselves an MMO; meaning they have a healthy population that allows you to feel surrounded by other players when you log in?

LOTRO is one of the most sub'ed game out there, i dno where you get the it's dying thing from.

How about WoW?

I passed at least 10 people in Archet (the instanced version) and even more once I got to the real version (where you can access Combe, Straddle, etc.)

Perhaps you should play on a populated server? Try Brandywine.

Originally posted by Hrothmund

How about WoW?

Depends on where. DAL is always too crowded for my taste and some newbie zones have some populations.

When an expansion is released, the newer leveling zones will be crowded beyond fun.

But i digress. Massive != fun. I would much rather player a well designed 5-man dungeon from a lobby than going into a crowded zone fighting everyone else for spawns. That is why the new dungeon finder tool is SO popular in WOW. Blizzard realize that people like to group, but not necessarily playing next to another 100 people.

Well I tried going back to WoW and I must say the old worlds are like abandoned wastelands almost. Only a few handfulls here and there and thats about it.

Last year I tried Lotro and there was still plently of people running around but they only have a few servers to choose from which may be a smart thing to do considering only the diehards are left.

Guild Wars is always packed in the major towns. Lions Arch, Kamadan and Kaineng City is always busy.

Amazingly enough I tried Aion again and the low level areas were empty with only a small group here and there.

Fallen Earth is actually pretty busy although depending on what time of the day it is some towns can be pretty empty.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

...

But i digress. Massive != fun. I would much rather player a well designed 5-man dungeon from a lobby than going into a crowded zone fighting everyone else for spawns. That is why the new dungeon finder tool is SO popular in WOW. Blizzard realize that people like to group, but not necessarily playing next to another 100 people.

That is very sad...

I think that is the reason some MMO players to hate WoW...

MMO without massive element...Its somehow perverse... Its like man without penis...

Originally posted by FTPMMO

What is the most distant feature of an MMO? That it is Massively Multiplayer, i.e that you are surrounded by other players when you enter the world. So how many of todays MMOs are realy Massively Multiplayer? GW and EvE is although they are rather old. The same is still true to Aion. On the other hand LotRo is not. Last I logged in there were two,2 !, other players in my area. It kept staying like that everytime I checked in on various servers. As far as I have understood this is true to Vanguard, WAR and probably a bunch of other major MMOs. Is this genre dying down when it comes to the AAA MMOs? What other AAA MMOs can truely call themselves an MMO; meaning they have a healthy population that allows you to feel surrounded by other players when you log in?

Seriously dude,where do you get your info from? At least do your homework before you make threads that don't ring true.

If this genre is dying then it because of ill informed people like yourself,  you know people believing the BS from people who are clueless.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

Well I tried going back to WoW and I must say the old worlds are like abandoned wastelands almost. Only a few handfulls here and there and thats about it.

Last year I tried Lotro and there was still plently of people running around but they only have a few servers to choose from which may be a smart thing to do considering only the diehards are left.

Guild Wars is always packed in the major towns. Lions Arch, Kamadan and Kaineng City is always busy.

Amazingly enough I tried Aion again and the low level areas were empty with only a small group here and there.

Fallen Earth is actually pretty busy although depending on what time of the day it is some towns can be pretty empty.

I have played WoW from beta, and come back after every EXP for several months. Before I retire from it typically I try to start ALT that make me the final decision for it. Old leveling zones are abandoned like other side of the moon... Even so empty world of Vanguard was like a paradise compared to WoW when I last time reactivate my Vanguard after 6 months WoW. Its right that Vanguard is much more difficult to keep me for 6 months but the only reason for it is the missing of PvP, even the only reasonable PvP in WoW is Arena.

In general WoW population on one server is much lower than any other MMO even one of the low subscription number games like Vanguard. Do not talk about LotRo as this is a very actual game with over 200-300k subs that is pretty enough  for great developement of the game. The question is where all money from WoW goes? For sure 90% of them are not for supporting and developing of the game...

Originally posted by iZakaroN

Originally posted by nariusseldon

...

But i digress. Massive != fun. I would much rather player a well designed 5-man dungeon from a lobby than going into a crowded zone fighting everyone else for spawns. That is why the new dungeon finder tool is SO popular in WOW. Blizzard realize that people like to group, but not necessarily playing next to another 100 people.

 

That is very sad...

I think that is the reason some MMO players to hate WoW...

MMO without massive element...Its somehow perverse... Its like man without penis...

Post of the year so far.  Kudos to you, iZakaron.

op sorry to say lotro will get way more popular before it dies lol!

lotro will be the only mmorpg avail that support dx11 so all the gamer that have those computer

(freaking lot of them since w7 64 was lunched)

that makes a pile of gamer that are overgeared despretly hoping to see the capability of their toy

Ridiculous posts are fun, I see other people in LotRO all the time. Also the game is far from dying and has at least many years left to be running.

Not sure where the OP is coming from but he is pretty off on his assumptions. Did he only do the starting instance where at first you're the only player as you learn to interact with NPCs, then you go into an instance area to allow streaming download players to download the rest of the game? Surprisingly there isn't many people in that area, it doesn't take long to download and the quests in that area are quick to complete, if you are a reroll you can be in and out of there in a couple minutes.

I would say there is some other agenda to the OP's post.

Lotro is dying? what game where you playing?

Originally posted by warpp

Originally posted by FTPMMO

What is the most distant feature of an MMO? That it is Massively Multiplayer, i.e that you are surrounded by other players when you enter the world. So how many of todays MMOs are realy Massively Multiplayer? GW and EvE is although they are rather old. The same is still true to Aion. On the other hand LotRo is not. Last I logged in there were two,2 !, other players in my area. It kept staying like that everytime I checked in on various servers. As far as I have understood this is true to Vanguard, WAR and probably a bunch of other major MMOs. Is this genre dying down when it comes to the AAA MMOs? What other AAA MMOs can truely call themselves an MMO; meaning they have a healthy population that allows you to feel surrounded by other players when you log in?

Seriously dude,where do you get your info from? At least do your homework before you make threads that don't ring true.

If this genre is dying then it because of ill informed people like yourself,  you know people believing the BS from people who are clueless.

 

I get my information from playing some of the games and reading what others has to say about other game populations. I am still in the starter areas of LotRo, though after the introduction, and they are void. Today there where 4 players in addition to me, that is the double up from 2, but the world is large, so you rarely see any other players and play by yourself, and that is not an MMO to me. I enjoy the game, but find it pointless to play as an MMO since there is nobody else. This game has 200 - 300k subscribers. It is famous for being top end heavy, and you really feel it if you try it out now. So if it is not dying, it is getting very old, if you see what I mean.

Originally posted by drbaltazar

lotro will be the only mmorpg avail that support dx11

Originally posted by FTPMMO

Originally posted by warpp

Originally posted by FTPMMO

What is the most distant feature of an MMO? That it is Massively Multiplayer, i.e that you are surrounded by other players when you enter the world. So how many of todays MMOs are realy Massively Multiplayer? GW and EvE is although they are rather old. The same is still true to Aion. On the other hand LotRo is not. Last I logged in there were two,2 !, other players in my area. It kept staying like that everytime I checked in on various servers. As far as I have understood this is true to Vanguard, WAR and probably a bunch of other major MMOs. Is this genre dying down when it comes to the AAA MMOs? What other AAA MMOs can truely call themselves an MMO; meaning they have a healthy population that allows you to feel surrounded by other players when you log in?

Seriously dude,where do you get your info from? At least do your homework before you make threads that don't ring true.

If this genre is dying then it because of ill informed people like yourself,  you know people believing the BS from people who are clueless.

 

 

I get my information from playing some of the games and reading what others has to say about other game populations. I am still in the starter areas of LotRo, though after the introduction, and they are void. Today there where 4 players in addition to me, that is the double up from 2, but the world is large, so you rarely see any other players and play by yourself, and that is not an MMO to me. I enjoy the game, but find it pointless to play as an MMO since there is nobody else. This game has 200 - 300k subscribers. It is famous for being top end heavy, and you really feel it if you try it out now. So if it is not dying, it is getting very old, if you see what I mean.

200-300k subscribers? Maybe 200-300k players, but quite frankly, very large portion of them are lifetimers. From various forum polls, and guild polls, it showed that over 50% of the players that participated are lifetimers. Which means, Turbine might have around 100-120k subscribers. That's the reason they are aiming now to release more paid content (paid expansions) and less frequent free content updates. Plague of the lifetime system.

I don't know, maybe you were just on the wrong server at the wrong time?  I just logged from LotRO on the Landroval server and there were 8-10 people just around the Forsaken Inn.  When I called back to Bree there were a ton of people running around.  I won't pretend that I counted them all, but I would guess there were more than 50 easily.

LOTRO is the most "alive" game I have played in recent times. It is down right bustling at all level ranges. people everywhere , tons of chat, tons of people everywhere.

It is far far more crowded than WoW with its million servers and lopsided factions and instanced PVP and Dungeons. Only time you see actual players in WoW is sitting around posing on their mounts in town like a bunch of statues talking smack and calling names in Chat. WoW is dead to me.

Originally posted by drbaltazar

op sorry to say lotro will get way more popular before it dies lol!

lotro will be the only mmorpg avail that support dx11 so all the gamer that have those computer

(freaking lot of them since w7 64 was lunched)

that makes a pile of gamer that are overgeared despretly hoping to see the capability of their toy

 

That is a flawed perception in my opinion. MMOs are generally not the games 'gamer's use to benchmark their 'toys'.

I have a cutting edge PC, but MMO's are not the games I look at to take my computer through its paces.

Originally posted by iZakaroN

Originally posted by SaintViktor

Well I tried going back to WoW and I must say the old worlds are like abandoned wastelands almost. Only a few handfulls here and there and thats about it.

Last year I tried Lotro and there was still plently of people running around but they only have a few servers to choose from which may be a smart thing to do considering only the diehards are left.

Guild Wars is always packed in the major towns. Lions Arch, Kamadan and Kaineng City is always busy.

Amazingly enough I tried Aion again and the low level areas were empty with only a small group here and there.

Fallen Earth is actually pretty busy although depending on what time of the day it is some towns can be pretty empty.

 

I have played WoW from beta, and come back after every EXP for several months. Before I retire from it typically I try to start ALT that make me the final decision for it. Old leveling zones are abandoned like other side of the moon... Even so empty world of Vanguard was like a paradise compared to WoW when I last time reactivate my Vanguard after 6 months WoW. Its right that Vanguard is much more difficult to keep me for 6 months but the only reason for it is the missing of PvP, even the only reasonable PvP in WoW is Arena.

In general WoW population on one server is much lower than any other MMO even one of the low subscription number games like Vanguard. Do not talk about LotRo as this is a very actual game with over 200-300k subs that is pretty enough  for great developement of the game. The question is where all money from WoW goes? For sure 90% of them are not for supporting and developing of the game...

The money is used for expansions, patches, maintenance and payroll. Guess you never played Lich King and not aware of the upcoming Cataclysm expansion.