This is a vary gruesome video of the evil things the US troops are doing.
I mean well its funny you will just have to see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3iY45m0v1Y&feature=related

Our US Troops are the Best. be safe and keep up the good work.

A close friend of mine his brother is(was) in Iraq and made the front page or our newspaper (back in the USA).
He said "they did not take a picture of me when I busted Iraqi’s smuggling millions of us money out.
Nor did they take a picture of me when I caught them sneaking explosives and Guns out.
But the one day I kick back and relax by laying in the sand and making a sand angle (like snow angle).
They take that picture and put it on the front page."

LOL Good one! What a way to bring down the war...haha

Everyone loves to dance.

This is what Al Qaeda and the Taliban are fighting to stop, but you can't stop the rock.

I love these guys! I think it is always important for people to realize that our " troops" are just human like the rest of us. They are our family members, our loved ones, our friends and we miss them and want them to come home safely.

My favorite comment:

thats what we do. take over countries then party. god? bless america

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of_rSbW-5rw&feature=related

Shake it like a salt shaker.

What our US troops did and are doing again to the people of Haiti:

To the people of Iran after the 2003 earthquake:

Pakistan earthquake 2005:

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Yes they are human, like the rest of us. Nobody can disagree with that.

Originally posted by Tymoris

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Yes they are human, like the rest of us. Nobody can disagree with that.

The MAJORITY of our troops do NOT do these things.  These are the actions of the few.  I hate it when people condemn all of our troops for the actions of the few.  That is like saying all Greeks do this: Greek Homosexual Teacher rapes Boy and using it as an excuse to condemn all Greeks.

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Tymoris

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Yes they are human, like the rest of us. Nobody can disagree with that.

 

The MAJORITY of our troops do NOT do these things.  These are the actions of the few.  I hate it when people condemn all of our troops for the actions of the few.

If one person out of a big group does something evil, it's natural that the whole group will be blamed.

If another person of that group comes and does something good then it would assume that it's just a lie.

If a second person does something good then people will think that maybe he is the exeption.

If a third person does something good then people would think that not all of them are like that.

If a 4th person does something good then people would think that maybe most of the group are ok.

And if a 5th person does something good then people would think that the evil person was the exception.

See how many people are needed to correct the image of just one?

My point is that of course the majority doesn't do it (Or at least I like to think that they don't), but let's not pat ourselves in the back because we are leagues away from healing the evil that the hearts of men at war have inflicted.

Originally posted by Tymoris

www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm

www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx

Yes they are human, like the rest of us. Nobody can disagree with that.

To easy Tymoris. US troops get punished when they do things that break the law.

The object of Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and other Muslim extremists are the exact things you posted.

Try researching the life of women raped under the Taliban.

The US government goes after the people that commit atrocities. The Taliban governs by committing atrocities.

If you can't see the difference, then put on a burqa and go live in a cave.

Originally posted by Tymoris

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Tymoris

www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm

Yes they are human, like the rest of us. Nobody can disagree with that.

 

The MAJORITY of our troops do NOT do these things.  These are the actions of the few.  I hate it when people condemn all of our troops for the actions of the few.

If one person out of a big group does something evil, it's natural that the whole group will be blamed.

If another person of that group comes and does something good then it would assume that it's just a lie.

If a second person does something good then people will think that maybe he is the exeption.

If a third person does something good then people would think that not all of them are like that.

If a 4th person does something good then people would think that maybe most of the group are ok.

And if a 5th person does something good then people would think that the evil person was the exception.

See how many people are needed to correct the image of just one?

so what you are saying is that if a group of 5 greeks rape someone then we should assess that the rest of the " group" is the exception?

Greek gang-raped 7- and 8-year-old girls to death

Greece horrified by racist gang rape in school
 

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Tymoris

www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm

www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx

Yes they are human, like the rest of us. Nobody can disagree with that.

 

To easy Tymoris. US troops get punished when they do things that break the law.

The object of Al Qaeda, the Taliban, and other Muslim extremists are the exact things you posted.

Try researching the life of women raped under the Taliban.

The US government goes after the people that commit atrocities. The Taliban governs by committing atrocities.

If you can't see the difference, then put on a burqa and go live in a cave.

Get punished if they get caught which in most cases they don't.

And don't tell me what to research because unlike you I know the shit both sides are.

An atrocity is an atrocity no matter the side.

If you can't tell that why don't you go get drunk and live in a trailer (since we like to use stereotypes here).

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Tymoris

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Tymoris

www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm

Yes they are human, like the rest of us. Nobody can disagree with that.

 

The MAJORITY of our troops do NOT do these things.  These are the actions of the few.  I hate it when people condemn all of our troops for the actions of the few.

If one person out of a big group does something evil, it's natural that the whole group will be blamed.

If another person of that group comes and does something good then it would assume that it's just a lie.

If a second person does something good then people will think that maybe he is the exeption.

If a third person does something good then people would think that not all of them are like that.

If a 4th person does something good then people would think that maybe most of the group are ok.

And if a 5th person does something good then people would think that the evil person was the exception.

See how many people are needed to correct the image of just one?

so what you are saying is that if a group of 5 greeks rape someone then we should assess that the rest of the " group" is the exception?

Greek gang-raped 7- and 8-year-old girls to death

Greece horrified by racist gang rape in school
 

It is the same principle in that too.

A lot of exceptional people are needed to reverse such an image.

Hence it would be normal that until such a thing happened that the current image would be sullied.

And that's why I mentioned that. Because in a war it's easy to forget and it's easy for the winning side to "forget" the atrocities that were commited.

Originally posted by Tymoris

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Tymoris

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Tymoris

www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm

Yes they are human, like the rest of us. Nobody can disagree with that.

 

The MAJORITY of our troops do NOT do these things.  These are the actions of the few.  I hate it when people condemn all of our troops for the actions of the few.

If one person out of a big group does something evil, it's natural that the whole group will be blamed.

If another person of that group comes and does something good then it would assume that it's just a lie.

If a second person does something good then people will think that maybe he is the exeption.

If a third person does something good then people would think that not all of them are like that.

If a 4th person does something good then people would think that maybe most of the group are ok.

And if a 5th person does something good then people would think that the evil person was the exception.

See how many people are needed to correct the image of just one?

so what you are saying is that if a group of 5 greeks rape someone then we should assess that the rest of the " group" is the exception?

Greek gang-raped 7- and 8-year-old girls to death

Greece horrified by racist gang rape in school
 

It is the same principle in that too.

A lot of exceptional people are needed to reverse such an image.

Hence it would be normal that until such a thing happened that the current image would be sullied.

And that's why I mentioned that. Because in a war it's easy to forget and it's easy for the winning side to "forget" the atrocities that were commited.

There ARE alot of exceptional people that reverse that image. I am tired of people only pointing out the terrible crimes commited while completely ignoring all of the good that is done.It would be different if this was allowed or was legal here. NO we prosecute these crimes to the fullest extent of the law. These people are not " getting away" with these crimes, no they will be caught, and punished. We even go to the extent to hunt people who commit terrible crimes all over the world. Just because they run out of the country, does NOT mean we will not go and find them. How is that for dedication to putting a stop to this?  The great the US has done for all of the world does in fact outweigh the negatives done by the few, BY FAR. I am not saying we ignore these things and pretend they do not happen, but give credit where credit is due. We hunt them down and they do pay the price for these actions.
 

Originally posted by Tymoris

An atrocity is an atrocity no matter the side.

 

 

Actually, that is not correct.

There is a difference between a government that actively commits atrocities because that is their objective, and a government that actively seeks to stop atrocities, even though some members of the government commit atrocities.

I would point you to WWII.

Hitler's government WANTED to exterminate the Jews, and it was the government policy to do so. They actively pursued this policy, and would have kept it up as long as they were in power.

The Allies wanted to avoid mass casualties, but nonetheless millions of civilians were killed in the War, and the Allies stopped killing civilians as soon as the war was over.

Regime 1: Actively kills civilians on a whim because it is part of their policy.

Regime 2: Tries to avoid civilian casualties, and does not randomly murder people when not at war, tries to stop atrocities from being committed under their command.

But somehow you think Hitler murdering the Jews, and the allies incurring collateral damage are the same?

Really?

Let's look at France and Afghanistan under the Taliban.

Under the Taliban, during non-war time, the Taliban is actively raping women, nad chopping their arms off in a stadium. The French aren't doing that to their people.

See the difference?

These are the countries allied to stop the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan:

Coalition:

* NATO - ISAF
o United States
o United Kingdom
o Canada
o Germany
o France
o Italy
o Poland
o Australia
o Spain
o Netherlands
o Denmark
o 34 other countries

These countries are trying to avoid killing civilians. The Taliban and Al Qaeda TRIES to kill as many civilians as they can.

See the difference now?

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Tymoris

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Tymoris

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Tymoris

www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm

Yes they are human, like the rest of us. Nobody can disagree with that.

 

The MAJORITY of our troops do NOT do these things.  These are the actions of the few.  I hate it when people condemn all of our troops for the actions of the few.

If one person out of a big group does something evil, it's natural that the whole group will be blamed.

If another person of that group comes and does something good then it would assume that it's just a lie.

If a second person does something good then people will think that maybe he is the exeption.

If a third person does something good then people would think that not all of them are like that.

If a 4th person does something good then people would think that maybe most of the group are ok.

And if a 5th person does something good then people would think that the evil person was the exception.

See how many people are needed to correct the image of just one?

so what you are saying is that if a group of 5 greeks rape someone then we should assess that the rest of the " group" is the exception?

Greek gang-raped 7- and 8-year-old girls to death

Greece horrified by racist gang rape in school
 

It is the same principle in that too.

A lot of exceptional people are needed to reverse such an image.

Hence it would be normal that until such a thing happened that the current image would be sullied.

And that's why I mentioned that. Because in a war it's easy to forget and it's easy for the winning side to "forget" the atrocities that were commited.

There ARE alot of exceptional people that reverse that image. I am tired of people only pointing out the terrible crimes commited while completely ignoring all of the good that is done.It would be different if this was allowed or was legal here. NO we prosecute these crimes to the fullest extent of the law. These people are not " getting away" with these crimes, no they will be caught, and punished. We even go to the extent to hunt people who commit terrible crimes all over the world. Just because they run out of the country, does NOT mean we will not go and find them. How is that for dedication to putting a stop to this?
 

Personally I have never ignored the good that people have done.

english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/05/200952212154954975.html for example, as far as know in most cases this gets the death sentence but he got away with life in prison.

I really hope you are right that such cases are the exception that just darken a better image. My experience during my time as a professional soldier has shown me otherwise, but I would gladly trade that experience for your knowledge on that.

The army keeps hidden on how they deal with such cases as far as I know, unless these cases get a lot of publicity.

Originally posted by Tymoris

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Tymoris

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Tymoris

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Tymoris

www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm

Yes they are human, like the rest of us. Nobody can disagree with that.

 

The MAJORITY of our troops do NOT do these things.  These are the actions of the few.  I hate it when people condemn all of our troops for the actions of the few.

If one person out of a big group does something evil, it's natural that the whole group will be blamed.

If another person of that group comes and does something good then it would assume that it's just a lie.

If a second person does something good then people will think that maybe he is the exeption.

If a third person does something good then people would think that not all of them are like that.

If a 4th person does something good then people would think that maybe most of the group are ok.

And if a 5th person does something good then people would think that the evil person was the exception.

See how many people are needed to correct the image of just one?

so what you are saying is that if a group of 5 greeks rape someone then we should assess that the rest of the " group" is the exception?

Greek gang-raped 7- and 8-year-old girls to death

Greece horrified by racist gang rape in school
 

It is the same principle in that too.

A lot of exceptional people are needed to reverse such an image.

Hence it would be normal that until such a thing happened that the current image would be sullied.

And that's why I mentioned that. Because in a war it's easy to forget and it's easy for the winning side to "forget" the atrocities that were commited.

There ARE alot of exceptional people that reverse that image. I am tired of people only pointing out the terrible crimes commited while completely ignoring all of the good that is done.It would be different if this was allowed or was legal here. NO we prosecute these crimes to the fullest extent of the law. These people are not " getting away" with these crimes, no they will be caught, and punished. We even go to the extent to hunt people who commit terrible crimes all over the world. Just because they run out of the country, does NOT mean we will not go and find them. How is that for dedication to putting a stop to this?
 

Personally I have never ignored the good that people have done.

english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/05/200952212154954975.html for example, as far as know in most cases this gets the death sentence but he got away with life in prison.

I really hope you are right that such cases are the exception that just darken a better image. My experience during my time as a professional soldier has shown me otherwise, but I would gladly trade that experience for your knowledge on that.

The army keeps hidden on how they deal with such cases as far as I know, unless these cases get a lot of publicity.

I think you're stuck in the trees, and you can't see the forest.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Tymoris

An atrocity is an atrocity no matter the side.

 

 

 

 

Actually, that is not correct.

There is a difference between a government that actively commits atrocities because that is their objective, and a government that actively seeks to stop atrocities, even though some members of the government commit atrocities.

I would point you to WWII.

Hitler's government WANTED to exterminate the Jews, and it was the government policy to do so. They actively pursued this policy, and would have kept it up as long as they were in power.

The Allies wanted to avoid mass casualties, but nonetheless millions of civilians were killed in the War, and the Allies stopped killing civilians as soon as the war was over.

Regime 1: Actively kills civilians on a whim because it is part of their policy.

Regime 2: Tries to avoid civilian casualties, and does not randomly murder people when not at war, tries to stop atrocities from being committed under their command.

But somehow you think Hitler murdering the Jews, and the allies incurring collateral damage are the same?

Really?

Let's look at France and Afghanistan under the Taliban.

Under the Taliban, during non-war time, the Taliban is actively raping women, nad chopping their arms off in a stadium. The French aren't doing that to their people.

See the difference?

These are the countries allied to stop the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan:

Coalition:

* NATO - ISAF
o United States
o United Kingdom
o Canada
o Germany
o France
o Italy
o Poland
o Australia
o Spain
o Netherlands
o Denmark
o 34 other countries

 

These countries are trying to avoid killing civilians. The Taliban and Al Qaeda TRIES to kill as many civilians as they can.

See the difference now?

Yes I know the difference.

Do you know what "being held on higher standards" means?

I am not saying that the taliban are as bad as the US. But because these countries are allied against a serious threat, such actions carry greater weight.

Dismissing such actions and saying that the other side is worse it just means that you lower your standards to them.

I am comparing the US army to the best traits of humanity, you compare them to the lowest denominator. Do tell them, who holds them in greater esteem?

Originally posted by Tymoris

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Tymoris

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Tymoris

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Tymoris

www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm

Yes they are human, like the rest of us. Nobody can disagree with that.

 

The MAJORITY of our troops do NOT do these things.  These are the actions of the few.  I hate it when people condemn all of our troops for the actions of the few.

If one person out of a big group does something evil, it's natural that the whole group will be blamed.

If another person of that group comes and does something good then it would assume that it's just a lie.

If a second person does something good then people will think that maybe he is the exeption.

If a third person does something good then people would think that not all of them are like that.

If a 4th person does something good then people would think that maybe most of the group are ok.

And if a 5th person does something good then people would think that the evil person was the exception.

See how many people are needed to correct the image of just one?

so what you are saying is that if a group of 5 greeks rape someone then we should assess that the rest of the " group" is the exception?

Greek gang-raped 7- and 8-year-old girls to death

Greece horrified by racist gang rape in school
 

It is the same principle in that too.

A lot of exceptional people are needed to reverse such an image.

Hence it would be normal that until such a thing happened that the current image would be sullied.

And that's why I mentioned that. Because in a war it's easy to forget and it's easy for the winning side to "forget" the atrocities that were commited.

There ARE alot of exceptional people that reverse that image. I am tired of people only pointing out the terrible crimes commited while completely ignoring all of the good that is done.It would be different if this was allowed or was legal here. NO we prosecute these crimes to the fullest extent of the law. These people are not " getting away" with these crimes, no they will be caught, and punished. We even go to the extent to hunt people who commit terrible crimes all over the world. Just because they run out of the country, does NOT mean we will not go and find them. How is that for dedication to putting a stop to this?
 

Personally I have never ignored the good that people have done.

english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/05/200952212154954975.html for example, as far as know in most cases this gets the death sentence but he got away with life in prison.

I really hope you are right that such cases are the exception that just darken a better image. My experience during my time as a professional soldier has shown me otherwise, but I would gladly trade that experience for your knowledge on that.

The army keeps hidden on how they deal with such cases as far as I know, unless these cases get a lot of publicity.

I ,for one, support the death penalty. Some find that offensive, but I do not think that the people should pay to allow scumbags like this to live.  Many people have difficulty with the death penalty, and I assume that is the reason why his life was spared, not that he was a soldier. It happens far too often, not with just soldiers. I have expressed my beliefs on this quite clearly for some time, and have dealt with much opposition to my stance on the death penalty.

I am not saying everything is peaches and cream, but we have to look at the whole picture, not just isolated incidents. The majority of our troops believe in " honor, responsibilty, and freedom."  and are willing to put their  lives on the line to protect that. They go above and beyond their "duties" to help those around them, at home and abroad and I have a great deal of respect for them. They deserve that respect, they have earned it.

 These people are not strangers to me, they are my family, my friends, and my neighbors.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by Tymoris

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Tymoris

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Tymoris

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Tymoris

www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm

Yes they are human, like the rest of us. Nobody can disagree with that.

 

The MAJORITY of our troops do NOT do these things.  These are the actions of the few.  I hate it when people condemn all of our troops for the actions of the few.

If one person out of a big group does something evil, it's natural that the whole group will be blamed.

If another person of that group comes and does something good then it would assume that it's just a lie.

If a second person does something good then people will think that maybe he is the exeption.

If a third person does something good then people would think that not all of them are like that.

If a 4th person does something good then people would think that maybe most of the group are ok.

And if a 5th person does something good then people would think that the evil person was the exception.

See how many people are needed to correct the image of just one?

so what you are saying is that if a group of 5 greeks rape someone then we should assess that the rest of the " group" is the exception?

Greek gang-raped 7- and 8-year-old girls to death

Greece horrified by racist gang rape in school
 

It is the same principle in that too.

A lot of exceptional people are needed to reverse such an image.

Hence it would be normal that until such a thing happened that the current image would be sullied.

And that's why I mentioned that. Because in a war it's easy to forget and it's easy for the winning side to "forget" the atrocities that were commited.

There ARE alot of exceptional people that reverse that image. I am tired of people only pointing out the terrible crimes commited while completely ignoring all of the good that is done.It would be different if this was allowed or was legal here. NO we prosecute these crimes to the fullest extent of the law. These people are not " getting away" with these crimes, no they will be caught, and punished. We even go to the extent to hunt people who commit terrible crimes all over the world. Just because they run out of the country, does NOT mean we will not go and find them. How is that for dedication to putting a stop to this?
 

Personally I have never ignored the good that people have done.

english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2009/05/200952212154954975.html for example, as far as know in most cases this gets the death sentence but he got away with life in prison.

I really hope you are right that such cases are the exception that just darken a better image. My experience during my time as a professional soldier has shown me otherwise, but I would gladly trade that experience for your knowledge on that.

The army keeps hidden on how they deal with such cases as far as I know, unless these cases get a lot of publicity.

 

I think you're stuck in the trees, and you can't see the forest.

 

Maybe, I am just one man after all and I can only perceive as much. Lets hope then that these trees don't poison the forest, yes?