something stinks here....

Darkfall deserves some recognition as its currently the best PVP option on the market. I wouldnt even consider WoW to have real PvP, its more like a mini game. no real consequence to any of it. DAOC had decent PvP 6 years ago, its hardly one of the best though. i'm cool with EVE being there it's offering something unique. Ultima, i dont think i have to say anything here we all know that deserves a spot.  Warhammer ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? hmmm .... hmmmm .... well i guess this does make sense considering how many EA sponsored banners this site has. but this is basically WoW, so i don't have so say why that shouldn't be there.

so what does all this come down to..... 

well my friends it comes down to Darkfall :D

Dear William Myrphy,

This article was named "The List: The Top Five PvP MMOs" NOT "My List: My Top Five PvP MMOs". So you see, you didn't stick to the topic.

Opinions are great, but an article that deserves my time for reading, without making me go ballistic for the fact that it ignores convention of English words like: The List: The Top... have me wondering now about your ability to judge quality PvP at all. This is not an attempt at demeaning you whatsoever, but does call into question your clarity on the topic.

Would you care to try again? I mean, don't you think a better attempt is in order?

Please base the evaluation on certain criterion that can be reasonably argued vs. stinky buttcrack opinions. In my opinion, opinions are overrated. But in fact, opinions are highly valued thoughts that stem from situational awareness perspectives that have stirred emotional responses.

These opinions may be meaningful between friends; laying the foundation and reasoning in advice giving for selecting certain choices in life. Drawing them nearer to each other because social conformity plays a major role in the forming and shaping of communities.

Now, since I don't know you personally and I do not truly value your opinion by necessity, could you please be a little more scientific in your approach? I mean give me something to work with because I near completely disagree with your opinion for this list; especially from a scientific perspective.

Don't try to qualify your point of view to me. Quantify it. Beat me down with so many good points that I can barely lift my head off the ground to utter useless whispers of denial.

Sorry but you lost me at "Keep in mind that this list is my own, and your mileage may vary, but here then are my top five PvP MMOs" when in fact the assignment was "The List: The Top Five PvP MMOs".

Thanks,

Carrara

# 1 Shadowbane 

Originally posted by Agricola1

Like many have said before EVE, DAoC and UO are PvP games but WoW and WAR?

I assume the author of the article just has limited experience with PvP MMORPGs? What about WW2online? Planetside? Shadowbane? And my personal favourite DFO?

I understand I'm not going to like every game he lists but I don't consider WoW a PvP game, more like a PvE with some carebear button mashing rock/paper/sicssors arenas on the side. As for WAR? Well I suppose it could've been worse, he might have put AoC at number 1!

I would agree that WOW pvp was not that great but in Warhammer all you do is PVP.  War might have failed at PVE but the PVP was awesome! 

I would swap WAR out and Guild Wars into it's place. Then I would say that is a pretty fair list. I would possibly consider bumping WoW off of the list for something else. WoW's world PvP is fun, but the arenas are too unbalanced to be taken seriously.

Originally posted by Khalathwyr

Originally posted by dark-merlin

 Well he said its his personal list of PVP games.

 

He probably never played Darkfall and Shadowbane.

 

In terms of best PVP game out its Darkfall, and will be for a long time (MO being designed more for RP supposedly).

 

Of course he did. But do you seriously think half the knuckleheads responding to this thread actually read and comprehended that part or the entire thread at all? Heck no. They look at the numbered bullets to see the game names and then get their undies in a wad and hit the "reply" button screaming for respect for their opinion or game but not willing to give any respect themselves.

This, half of the mmorpg community is filled with a bunch of idiots sadly...

especially the Darkfall ones..did you notice that i would say close to 80% of the pro DF pvprs used terms like LOL, FAIL, etc....where as those who interjected for other games wrote nice descriptive sentences with their reasons? I thought it was pretty humorous...

While I hate Darkfall, I cant see how the trash called Warhammer Online can get in list, and DF dont. WTF UO doing here? It had some nice PvP in the early days, now there is almost none. Only thing I agree is EVE at #1.

Originally posted by rewindmad

For those of you who laugh at wow being on the list, have you actually played the game within the first 2 years of its release?  Yes i admit the pvp now in WoW is a complete joke. However back in the old days before the AQ patch even.  I absolutely LOVED AV.  i still remember 8 hour long battles in AV where neither side could see victory, just back and forth of pure slaughter.  In my opinion, blizzard should make another server to just allow old gameplay and none of the new crap they put in the game.

PvP now is much more developed in WoW, then during vanilla days. Huge community around Arenas, constant tournaments with $$$ prizes, lots of PvP superstars, thousands of PvP movies. Lots of people dont give a shit about raids or quests, playing only arenas.

WoW is not really a PvP game but arenas and great class balance gave it the biggest PvP community among all MMOs

you put wow and war but no lineage 2?

lineage 2 was epic pvp. sure there were major class imbalances, crappy combat mechanics and a huge grind but you could pvp from day one for hunting spots. the clan wars and sieges were epic and spawned huge amounts of drama in an ever changing political climate which is only rivaled by EVE.

peopel talked about sieges for days afterwards, and could spwn epic wars, grudges and what not. i myself even had duels in the middle of the battlefield, 400 players between the two sides and me and one other guy zero in on one another to settle a rivalry which never really did end. after each siege we'd talk in PMs for hours about the seige, giving each other a pat on the back and giving tips on how to make the next encounter even more thrilling.

world pvp was common and ranged from one man gank runs, to gank squads roaming the country side to organised 9v9 faceoffs to impromptu epic 100v100~ battles.

every bit of progress we undertook was aimed at becoming more viable in pvp. we powerleveled rerolls to gain mreo strong pvp classes, bought second accounts for buffers, fueled billions of adena into crafters for better gear. fought for raid bosses for rare drops, mats and crystal upgrades.

the winners got nothing but glory, the right to the hunting spot or a five minute window in which to take on the raid boss. the losers lost 1-4% of their exp and were humbled. it was the golden age of pvp for me, and while i did have fun in wow, it was never as epic or as intense as lineage 2.

My top 5 (not you'rs)

5. World of Warcraft.  -based on the sheer number of net logins participating in pvp on a daily basis.  Also, the design of battlegrounds and pvp rewards system

4. Ultima Online  -I would rate it higher, but honestly it had flaws

3. Shadow Bane

2. Lineage 2

1. Eve Online

see, I made a list.  Just like the rest of you can.  There would be just as many people flaming my list as the writers list.  Just like I would flame you for making a list that difers from my list

Maybe he should have made a top 10.  probably would have had less flames :P

Originally posted by trix

# 1 Shadowbane 

As far as those games I have played - I agree, this and EVE.  Note to Darkfall fanboys - I have never played it and so am not commenting on it.  Buy me a free month and I will try it.  Same for DaoC - though I have heard many good things about.  Shadowbane was great though - Just farming  mobs one had to bring a team - some of us farmed and the rest of us kept a watchful eye for raiding partys.  I always was afraid when out soloing.  I also remember at least one 36 hour session defending our City.   Great game - wish they would make another.  EVE - in Space no one can hear you scream.  Even noobies are not safe.

The other one that I loved besides DAOC and EVE believe it or not was EQ dark versus light pvp Tallon ZEK server. (this was the first 2 years before $oe broke it) Having to work your way into enemy territory to complete quests and your anywere any time looking over your shoulder was great. Sigh,then $oe took over end of all good things.

World of Warcraft

This game’s version of PvP may get flack for being the big daddy in the MMO world, and for pretty much screwing things up entirely back in the early days of the Honor Systems inception, but I have more memorable moments fighting other players in Azeroth than I do in any other game. Back before the Honor System was ever introduced, I spent countless hours fighting the Horde at Tarren Mill, and advancing on the Sepulcher just to see how long we dwarves, elves, gnomes, and men could hold off the enemy. Today, WoW’s PvP is more about E-Sports than open-world warfare, but for that it deserves plenty of mention. Blizzard has a knack for creating games that spawn an entire culture of competitive play, and WoW was no different. Something tells me we’ll be talking about Alterac Valley and Arena Scores for years to come.

I second this sentiment. There was a lot less ganking after BG was introduced, but it also kind of sterilised the gameworld. Some of the best fun I had in WoW was dodging gankers.

Me and another gnome flitting through Darkshire using our gnomish compactness to hide inside shrubbery to avoid a level 60 Tauren shaman and get our quests done.

Or the time in Lakeshire all us little nooblets ganged up on an Undead warrior who'd been ganking around the zone. We caught him on the road north of the bridge and while he killed about half of us, we nailed him and he didn't come back.

Or creeping through enemy territory for the first time with each character to get new teleport points or do class quests.

And I'll never forget the first time I popped a Fellhunter to sniff out a rogue. He had no idea we could all now see through his stealth and were about to pound him....

Good times :)

I must mention JumpGate (original) as it was the most adrenaline pumping I've ever experienced.

I also think PlanetSide should be in the list as it was indeed a PvP only game and quite popular in its day.

I haven't experienced DFO but from what I read, It looks like it should be in the list. Same goes for Shadowbane and Guildwars but I wouldn't remove any of the other games in there.

So all in all I'd simply compile a list with 9-10 games (throwing AC or SWG in there) instead of the current 5.

Lastly, I must say that, despite hating WOW, the fact that some 5 Million people play it for the it's "PvP side", tells something... The earlier vanilla period of open world PvP was good though.

as many on the first 2 pages have mentioned (didn't read the rest) this

list is a sham without any mention of Darkfall

Aion should defiently be on the list. Small group rifting is some of the most fun I've had pvping in a long long time. I give Aion until about mid 2011 to be one of the top pvp MMOs out.

How is DAoC somehow more of a PvP game when the real battles don't even start until max level? Somehow having FFA from level 1 doesn't qualify? You're delusional.

 

wrong

 

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GW not even on the list ?

I'm not sure you're qualified to talk about PVP.

Well, the first and only one King of PvP MMORPGs is:

MMORPG.com's forum discussions about PvP

Originally posted by augustgrace

No Shadowbane?  The game didn't have much else to offer, but it did do pvp very well.

Great itea. Someone wants a PvP game browses the top PvP games list, chooses for whatever reason to try Shadowbane only to find out after 10 mins later that it no longer runs...