"The reality is that the cash shop games are fairer. Because in the p2p games there are innocent and/or naive people who think the game is fair play, whereas in a game like Rohan, for example, everyone knows about the cash shop and so everyone has the same chances. Another advantage with the Rohan shop is that you don't need to spend any real cash to get the goods as you can convert your ingame items/gold for items from the shop. Furthermore, thanks to the people who purchase you can play for free"

That is about the most nonsense I have seen in a post in a while.  Just to set you straight, most p2p games at upper levels don't depend on how rich you are to how successful you are in pvp.  That is a given in f2p games.   As to the Rohan shop, sure there are some that can play the game and spend very little in the cash shop, but 99% of us don't have that kind of time to put into a game to achieve that.

As I have said before, the f2p games are a misnomer, none are free if your intention is to be competitive.  The problem with the f2p games is that many end up spending far more than they would in any p2p.

5.7 is a generous rating. This game doesn't deserve it. But aside the gameplay which is somewhat playable until 40-ish level (playable as any other Korean cash cow MMO), the service is pathetic. No one cares what you say, need ingame and you are perfectly ignored. I don't know how is it today, but I remember when I was playing it, forums were crowded with angry people who eventually quit the game.

I tried it one last time about 6 months ago... starting areas were empty (only bots and gold sellers), and other areas were poorly inhabited, even with bots. Maybe only thing I enjoyed in this game was that upgrading and that's it. If you never played Rohan, you don't have to, since it's piece of junk :D Oh yeah, if you're cash shop junkie you'll love this game. It's made just for you and your money :) Service loves people who buy and don't talk too much.

Point: STFU, buy items and... then quit the game.

Another Korean published MMO, another bad review.

I guess I'll try this...again (technically, I did play something like this)

Rohan is by far the most expensive to compete Free 2 play mmo I have played. and I have played quite  a few. 

Sword of the new world

12 Sky 2 

2 Moons

Talisman online

Perfect world

Atlantica

Runes of Magic

Requiem Bloodymare

to name a few of them.  The item mall in this game is 100% what every  F2P critic fears the most. An over powered, gear selling, unbalanced over priced, item mall that has a huge factor in who gets to enjoy the game and who does not. I wouldn't even say its possible to compete without the item mall let alone win.  Most F2P games make you spend money later on in the game if you want to compete, Rohan said no however they make you spend money at lower levels if you don't want to be shark bait. And more on top of that if you want to compete. 

What Calintz333 said is the reality in most F2P games, but it just does not seem to sink in with some people. Some F2P have decent cash shops now but what about next year? Perfect World is a prime example of a F2P game that used to have a decent cash shop then became a cash cow for the game.

If you play a F2P game you are taking a risk, that it will end up costing you an arm and a leg, or that you will have to put up with being a player pauper noob. Why bother to take a risk like that?

Originally posted by Mannish

 

Thanks for the info. I just started playing the game today and I like it. One thing I did not like from the review was when he said he found his self at times having to grind out a level. Whats wrong with that? Why do people feel like every % of a level should come from a quest?  What ever happned to grouping up and doing some dungeon crawling and just enjoying killing stuff? This is how MMOs and RPGs use to be before the WoW era. All of these quest based MMOs are games that you spend 99% of your time alone only grouping to do a raid or one of the few quest that requires a group. Everybody does not want to play games like that and there is nonthing wrong with games that are not like that. You can always tell people who did not start playing MMOs till they played WoW.

I agree. I dont understand how grinding pointless quests are more fun than grinding mobs or doing some dungeons. Now if the quests impacted the world somehow then yes, but they dont, so whats the difference?

WoW = cancer of MMORPGs.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

That is about the most nonsense I have seen in a post in a while.  Just to set you straight, most p2p games at upper levels don't depend on how rich you are to how successful you are in pvp.  That is a given in f2p games.   As to the Rohan shop, sure there are some that can play the game and spend very little in the cash shop, but 99% of us don't have that kind of time to put into a game to achieve that.

If you don't have time and dedication to put into a game, you shouldn't be able to be competitive in it.

I hate when every random mig-mug scrub has the best available equipment.

PvP game with an item mall containing stuff that gives players an edge.  That's just a recipe for a crap sandwich sans the bread.

But at least there's another PvP game out there.

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The game sounds just like Lineage 2. When I started playing that's what it reminded me off.
 

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Yeah, the gameplay is actually very much like Lineage 2.
 
 

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If you don't have time and dedication to put into a game, you shouldn't be able to be competitive in it.
I hate when every random mig-mug scrub has the best available equipment.

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But everyone can't have the best equipment, that's the thing. You've got to remember that the stuff you buy from the Exchange Market, is stuff being sold by real players.
Besides, there isn't really any actual "best" equipment because of the way the forging system works in this game. There's a whole range of different good equips to have.
 

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I tried it one last time about 6 months ago... starting areas were empty (only bots and gold sellers), and other areas were poorly inhabited, even with bots.

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And about there not being that much low levels in the game, I guess that's one of the negetive side effects of the exchange market. When you introduce a new friend to play along-side your "group", people who you regularly play with in Rohan, you can all put some RPs together, your friend put some r/l cash in, and get a character that can play alongside you. It has it's advantages and disadvantages, I quite like the concept.
Me and my friend who have returned, have made new characters from lv.1, and are training them together simply because we enjoy it.
 

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Rohan is by far the most expensive to compete Free 2 play mmo I have played. and I have played quite a few.

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I've never understood what so great about PvP (aside from the skill needed when people were fighting each other) and the level grind.  I always wanted a more PvE type of environment (the hardcore can bite me, I don't care).

I've never understood what all the fuss with PvP is.  I've tried it, didn't do it too badly, but I've always loved the PvE more.  I need a more immersive environment where people are trying to help each other, instead of trying to backstab each other.  Let the hardcore bite me, I don't care.

Poor writer could have saved a load of time by simply reading the same review I read back in 2008. The author of that article seemed to better address the complaints I have seen in this thread. For instance, he said the music is nice (like many in this thread) but the sound effects are lame (like the MMORPG reviewer). I have not played the game, though, so I cannot say if either is an accurate review.

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Originally posted by Pugla

 

Poor writer could have saved a load of time by simply reading the same review I read back in 2008. The author of that article seemed to better address the complaints I have seen in this thread. For instance, he said the music is nice (like many in this thread) but the sound effects are lame (like the MMORPG reviewer). I have not played the game, though, so I cannot say if either is an accurate review.

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This review (MMORPG.com) is actually fairly accurate, apart from the part about the sound, and it irritated me a little bit that he didn't mention the exchange market at all.
Reading the TenTonHammer review now, will comment on any inaccuracys. :)

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Players can perform a sort of reverse engineering to alter gear they cannot wear to be able to equip it. It's a system balanced on risk and reward in theory. If you looted a cool sword that requires level 32 when you're only level 28, you can attempt to reduce its level requirement. Succeed, and you get to wear a powerful item early. Fail and the item requirements could go up to level 36.

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The part in bold is somewhat incorrect. The level of the armor can not be increased higher than its base level. For example, 'Armor of Edwin' which requires level 85 (if I remember correctly), can NOT be increased higher than level 85 no matter how much you fail at "de-leveling" it.
For example: I want to reduce it to 75. Lets go for a -3... *fail!*, I still need to be lv.85 to wear it, because it can't go higher than that as that's the original level. Ok, so I go for another -3... *success*. Lv.82 requirement. Ok, now I'll go for a -2... boom *fail!*, lv.84 requirement. Shit, lets go for another -3... *fail*. Fuck, back to 85.

Basically de-lvling an item is about how much money you are willing to spend. say you want to get 10 levels off of something, it's not about "shit, hope I don't end up increasing its level", it's about "shit, hope this doesn't cost me TOO much". Sometimes you can spend tens of millions trying to take the bastard level down, and other times you'll get lucky and do it after only a couple mill.

Also, if an item has had 15 levels taken off it, there's a chance of destroying the peice opon failure. And the further below 15 you go, the higher that chance. Only the very hardcore de-lvlers go below 15, most don't even dare.

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M Kill is a system that gives you bonus experience for every 20th kill. This means a lot in the early levels since you can kill 19 easy monsters and one hard one and possibly get a level. The system breaks down at higher levels and in groups. First, the experience curve gets brutal, making M Kills the only way to get noticeable progress toward the next level. Secondly, you need to get everyone in the group on the same kill number to take full advantage of M Kill. That way the group can pick on the really strong enemies at the right time to maximize XP.

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Actually, once you hit your 60's and 70's, M.Kill becomes quite insignificant in parties. Also, the part in bold is very incorrect. Their is a seperate M.Kill for solo and party. When you're in a party, the "solo M.Kill" counter stops working, and the "party M.Kill" (which gives you much less of a bonus than the solo one) counts instead.
At higher levels, M.Kill is only really significant when you're soloing, which you won't find yourself doing that much apart from when farming cash/items/RPs.

And I think TenTonHammers rating is pretty fair too.
Rohan is in my list of top MMOs, and definately the best cash mall MMO in my opinion.

EDIT: Let me also add that it's a shame they didn't include "Item combining" in their review. This is a brilliant feature in my opinion, shame they didn't.

Awesome response, Adam1902. I wonder if those inaccuracies are errors by the author or things that have changed in the game since November 2008? It doesn't matter. It sounds as though someone should hire you to review the game!

Originally posted by Pugla

Awesome response, Adam1902. I wonder if those inaccuracies are errors by the author or things that have changed in the game since November 2008? It doesn't matter. It sounds as though someone should hire you to review the game!

Cheers! :)
Honestly though, I don't think I'd enjoy being a professional video game reviewer. Playing through games as fast as possible, and getting a write-up published before the other reviewers...
People writing about games (especially MMOs), should be people who have actually played the crap out of it. Not some guy getting paid to play it for 12 hours streight then publish a review.

99% of reviews I've read about games that I've actually played (as in, played for a number of months / years) have pissed me off a little bit one way or another.

Thanks for the compliment though :)