No really. I paid, I played and I quit. YOu can look down to my previous posts on this to see the details but I was just thinking over the weekend how little motivation I had to even log in. I think the reason is the poor state of this game: It is laggy in addition to being very very clunky.

The FPV is just crappy and does not allow for realistic interaction with the environment. It's trying to be an FPS and failing because all one does is spam a hit button and run. Yep folks, that's the extent of combat..hit and run...hit and run...spam nukes hit and un....BORING. There is no intricate coordination of spells and mele in the way it's done in WOW.

People say WOW is easy combat compared to this? No ...just no. Darkfall combat requires that one run and spam 1 button. "But dude you have to aim!" So f___ing what? If you like aiming a cursor, get a game that has a ball moving randomly on a screen and click on it: you get points for more hits as it moves faster and faster and faster and in the end, those with the best hand-eye coordination will win.

If this is WOW combat on the other hand, the PVP requires that one understand a complex array of possibilities from many different classes and how one should respond in real time to thoses effects. One must also use multiple resources to coordinate the effect. Sure darkfall has buffs and mele additions but it's not the same. I engage in combat in darkfall and sprint/hit...that's it. One day I'll buff myself before I sprint/hit i guess.

So even if they fix the stat grind I will probably say meh.... and wait for a real game that is actually fun like WOW to replace it.

Thanks!

How can you be that wrong on pretty much everything you wrote ?  

Really do you run a competition on how many false things can be claimed by a single post ?

There is barely any lag ping is low and FPS is mostly high.

The FPV is perfect for adding an extra layer of immersion and skill to use.

Youself describe the skill in it :

" those with the best hand-eye coordination will win."

People still play this?

Cmon now kids, time to move on. stop wasting your life it will be shut down soon

Originally posted by eman_laerton

No really. I paid, I played and I quit. YOu can look down to my previous posts on this to see the details but I was just thinking over the weekend how little motivation I had to even log in. I think the reason is the poor state of this game: It is laggy in addition to being very very clunky.

The FPV is just crappy and does not allow for realistic interaction with the environment. It's trying to be an FPS and failing because all one does is spam a hit button and run. Yep folks, that's the extent of combat..hit and run...hit and run...spam nukes hit and un....BORING. There is no intricate coordination of spells and mele in the way it's done in WOW.

People say WOW is easy combat compared to this? No ...just no. Darkfall combat requires that one run and spam 1 button. "But dude you have to aim!" So f___ing what? If you like aiming a cursor, get a game that has a ball moving randomly on a screen and click on it: you get points for more hits as it moves faster and faster and faster and in the end, those with the best hand-eye coordination will win.

If this is WOW combat on the other hand, the PVP requires that one understand a complex array of possibilities from many different classes and how one should respond in real time to thoses effects. One must also use multiple resources to coordinate the effect. Sure darkfall has buffs and mele additions but it's not the same. I engage in combat in darkfall and sprint/hit...that's it. One day I'll buff myself before I sprint/hit i guess.

So even if they fix the stat grind I will probably say meh.... and wait for a real game that is actually fun like WOW to replace it.

Thanks!

Ok im not fanboi for Darkfall, Look threw my history i punch DorkFail in the nose on a daily bases.

But your wrong about WoW taking more skill, Tabing auto targeting is in no way Harder then Twitch system.

Now if Darkfall made there combat system a little more like Mortal with FPS melee and Click the attack butten to draw your weapon back and release the button to swing would make it ALOT more challenging.

But your post Fails DarkFall kills WoW anyday Hands down to the compair of Theme park VS Sandbox, Sandbox is way more immersive then a set Themepark ride.

Originally posted by eman_laerton

So even if they fix the stat grind I will probably say meh.... and wait for a real game that is actually fun like WOW to replace it.

Thanks!

I was going to reply to your post and explain just how wrong you are about everything, but then I read the quoted pink at the end and you're not even worth my time.

And yes, I chose pink on purpose.

Originally posted by sadeyx

People still play this?

Cmon now kids, time to move on. stop wasting your life it will be shut down soon

People still troll this ?

Cmon now kids, time to move on. stop wasting your life more people will like it no matter how hard you try.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

How can you be that wrong on pretty much everything you wrote ?  

Really do you run a competition on how many false things can be claimed by a single post ?

 

Darth if I'm wrong then tell me why...not just "you're wtrong bye bye...and besides, all of you previous responces were off the mark and simply underscore your biased need to protect this game for some reason. Is it because you spammed/macroed/exploited your way to the top when it was allowed and regarldless of the LAGGYNESS, crappy combat and FPV, you are still prtecting your UBER status? Is it because you couldn't get an "edge" over others in other games to this extent? Is it because you feel superior to others because they don't play and back up "elitist/no-rules" MMO's?

Darkfall looks like it's 10 years old dude. The combat is cluuuuunky! How can you deny it? The lag is constant also and the FPV...well...it just sucks to run around with blinders on.

Let's try coming out with refutations next time, mmmkay?

Originally posted by Kasmos

Originally posted by eman_laerton

So even if they fix the stat grind I will probably say meh.... and wait for a real game that is actually fun like WOW to replace it.

Thanks!

 

I was going to reply to your post and explain just how wrong you are about everything, but then I read the quoted pink at the end and you're not even worth my time.

 

And yes, I chose pink on purpose.

See what I mean? No reasons for refuting that WOW is a good game compared to this...just "You're gay!!! for playing WOW you noob loser!" This is the mentality of the darkfail community basically. There may be exceptions but not these 2 geniuses.
 

To me FPS style combat will always =fail. If I want first person combat I can go back to the military or go to any random bar. I have yet to find a FPS style of game that I could find tolerable. I agree with other posters though that some members of the darkfall community on here really are not helping their game with their hateful and insulting posts. I have seen convicted felons act with more manners and class.

Originally posted by eman_laerton

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

How can you be that wrong on pretty much everything you wrote ?  

Really do you run a competition on how many false things can be claimed by a single post ?

 

 

Darth if I'm wrong then tell me why...not just "you're wtrong bye bye...and besides, all of you previous responces were off the mark and simply underscore your biased need to protect this game for some reason. Is it because you spammed/macroed/exploited your way to the top when it was allowed and regarldless of the LAGGYNESS, crappy combat and FPV, you are still prtecting your UBER status? Is it because you couldn't get an "edge" over others in other games to this extent? Is it because you feel superior to others because they don't play and back up "elitist/no-rules" MMO's?

Darkfall looks like it's 10 years old dude. The combat is cluuuuunky! How can you deny it? The lag is constant also and the FPV...well...it just sucks to run around with blinders on.

Let's try coming out with refutations next time, mmmkay?

 

well i feel the need to put wrong claims in the right light, call it protecting if you want.

I use a pretty crappy single core Athlon 64 with 3GB RAM and low class graphic adapter along with a crappy 1 mbit  DSL broadband conection. 

Lag is rare, combat is fluid, FPV is great. Just 1 elem Mastery, highest stat is Wis around 75-sh ..much Uber ?   never macroed.

DF has combat spot on..i am not an 1 vs 1 junkie, i think and act mostly for my Clan. 

FPV the way DF does, feels absolutely right done. Its not for pixel accuracy fanatics but still much skill required.

A personal question, did the "award winner" thread about Darkfall winning Massively staff choive PvP award bugged you that much that you simply HAD to make a topic about DF's combat from "your point of view" (speaks : call it several times clunky, laggy and damnFPV ) ?  ;)

Originally posted by krieblood

Originally posted by eman_laerton

No really. I paid, I played and I quit. YOu can look down to my previous posts on this to see the details but I was just thinking over the weekend how little motivation I had to even log in. I think the reason is the poor state of this game: It is laggy in addition to being very very clunky.

The FPV is just crappy and does not allow for realistic interaction with the environment. It's trying to be an FPS and failing because all one does is spam a hit button and run. Yep folks, that's the extent of combat..hit and run...hit and run...spam nukes hit and un....BORING. There is no intricate coordination of spells and mele in the way it's done in WOW.

People say WOW is easy combat compared to this? No ...just no. Darkfall combat requires that one run and spam 1 button. "But dude you have to aim!" So f___ing what? If you like aiming a cursor, get a game that has a ball moving randomly on a screen and click on it: you get points for more hits as it moves faster and faster and faster and in the end, those with the best hand-eye coordination will win.

If this is WOW combat on the other hand, the PVP requires that one understand a complex array of possibilities from many different classes and how one should respond in real time to thoses effects. One must also use multiple resources to coordinate the effect. Sure darkfall has buffs and mele additions but it's not the same. I engage in combat in darkfall and sprint/hit...that's it. One day I'll buff myself before I sprint/hit i guess.

So even if they fix the stat grind I will probably say meh.... and wait for a real game that is actually fun like WOW to replace it.

Thanks!

Ok im not fanboi for Darkfall, Look threw my history i punch DorkFail in the nose on a daily bases.

But your wrong about WoW taking more skill, Tabing auto targeting is in no way Harder then Twitch system.

Now if Darkfall made there combat system a little more like Mortal with FPS melee and Click the attack butten to draw your weapon back and release the button to swing would make it ALOT more challenging.

But your post Fails DarkFall kills WoW anyday Hands down to the compair of Theme park VS Sandbox, Sandbox is way more immersive then a set Themepark ride.

Nope: You're wrong. They are different yes but it's comparing apples and oranges with respect to details. The overall combat in arena WOW is far superior to darkfall in more ways that can be imagined. Let me quantify...
 

Twich skills do not take brains, they take inherant hand-eye coordination and repetition. You are not "skilled" because you can move your mouse faster than others, unless you mean you got better at aiming a cross hair with a mouse. Thinking out combat routines given the complexitiy of inputs (much more complex in WOW) takes brains and quick assesment and an understanding of problem soving which DOES take REAL skill.

Thanks.

I quit playing DF because of the FPV. I just don't care for it. That doesn't make DF a bad game in my eyes, it just isn't the one for me.

You are trying to simplify the combat in DF by saying it is nothing but clicking a mouse and moving yet that is all that is involved in most MMOs. Thanks to macros I could put my entire combat rotation on one button and not even have to move in WoW. There is no intricate coordination of spells or melee in WoW, it's just macro spamming and who has the better gear.

Originally posted by eman_laerton

Originally posted by Kasmos

Originally posted by eman_laerton

So even if they fix the stat grind I will probably say meh.... and wait for a real game that is actually fun like WOW to replace it.

Thanks!

 

I was going to reply to your post and explain just how wrong you are about everything, but then I read the quoted pink at the end and you're not even worth my time.

 

And yes, I chose pink on purpose.

See what I mean? No reasons for refuting that WOW is a good game compared to this...just "You're gay!!! for playing WOW you noob loser!" This is the mentality of the darkfail community basically. There may be exceptions but not these 2 geniuses.
 

You sound very angry.  You should maybe step away from the keyboard before you hurt yourself.  While I cannot say your opinion is wrong because it is just that, your own opinion.  I can say I disagree with you and would venture a guess that you are in a minority to believe what you believe.

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Originally posted by eman_laerton
No really. I paid, I played and I quit. YOu can look down to my previous posts on this to see the details but I was just thinking over the weekend how little motivation I had to even log in. I think the reason is the poor state of this game: It is laggy in addition to being very very clunky.
The FPV is just crappy and does not allow for realistic interaction with the environment. It's trying to be an FPS and failing because all one does is spam a hit button and run. Yep folks, that's the extent of combat..hit and run...hit and run...spam nukes hit and un....BORING. There is no intricate coordination of spells and mele in the way it's done in WOW.
People say WOW is easy combat compared to this? No ...just no. Darkfall combat requires that one run and spam 1 button. "But dude you have to aim!" So f___ing what? If you like aiming a cursor, get a game that has a ball moving randomly on a screen and click on it: you get points for more hits as it moves faster and faster and faster and in the end, those with the best hand-eye coordination will win.
If this is WOW combat on the other hand, the PVP requires that one understand a complex array of possibilities from many different classes and how one should respond in real time to thoses effects. One must also use multiple resources to coordinate the effect. Sure darkfall has buffs and mele additions but it's not the same. I engage in combat in darkfall and sprint/hit...that's it. One day I'll buff myself before I sprint/hit i guess.
So even if they fix the stat grind I will probably say meh.... and wait for a real game that is actually fun like WOW to replace it.
Thanks!

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Originally posted by eman_laerton

Originally posted by Kasmos

Originally posted by eman_laerton

So even if they fix the stat grind I will probably say meh.... and wait for a real game that is actually fun like WOW to replace it.

Thanks!

 

I was going to reply to your post and explain just how wrong you are about everything, but then I read the quoted pink at the end and you're not even worth my time.

 

And yes, I chose pink on purpose.

See what I mean? No reasons for refuting that WOW is a good game compared to this...just "You're gay!!! for playing WOW you noob loser!" This is the mentality of the darkfail community basically. There may be exceptions but not these 2 geniuses.
 

Lol, you're quite the presumptuous one aren't you? I used to play WoW myself, so no, I don't think it's "gay" nor do I find you "gay" for playing it.

But you used "Darkfail" in your response, showing that you obviously have a predisposition towards not enjoying the game, otherwise you would have called it by its actual name. So, you're either a troll trying to incite flame posts in your "invigorating" thread you made here, or you are a carebear, as the term implies, based off of your post.

However, since you called out the community that I enjoy playing with and that is actually quite helpful and friendly, for the most part, I will play your little game and refute your post part by part. So, without further ado, let's begin:

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"No really. I paid, I played and I quit. YOu can look down to my previous posts on this to see the details but I was just thinking over the weekend how little motivation I had to even log in. I think the reason is the poor state of this game: It is laggy in addition to being very very clunky."

Why do you think the game is laggy? Do you own a piece of crap computer? I get over 80 FPS on the highest settings (with shadows turned off) during normal gameplay, and over 30 FPS during large sieges. Hell, on my LAPTOP I get over 50 FPS on medium-high settings, and my laptop is 3 years old!

"The FPV is just crappy and does not allow for realistic interaction with the environment. It's trying to be an FPS and failing because all one does is spam a hit button and run. Yep folks, that's the extent of combat..hit and run...hit and run...spam nukes hit and un....BORING. There is no intricate coordination of spells and mele in the way it's done in WOW."

Are you serious? You obviously must be running around with mana missle, because there is no possible WAY you could have actually played the game and say this with any sense of seriousness. I have seen more coordination in small scale PvP in Darkfall than I ever witnessed or saw during ANY arena fights in WoW or hell, even before Battlegrounds came out. When it comes to large scale PvP? Holy hell is there a ton of coordination involved. You have to make sure you're HEALING the right people and not enemies, you have to make sure you're BUFFING friendlies, you have to make sure you're DEBUFFING enemies and not friendlies, you have to make sure you're not AOE'ing a group of 5 friends, you have to make sure you're arrows aren't hitting friendlies, I can go on and on but I will wait first for your replies (if you do).

And in regards to your first person view argument, I, along with countless others, find it extremely awesome how they implemented first person view. Thank GOD we can't move our mouse a little bit to see if an enemy is coming behind us like you can in WoW, AoC, WAR, other MMOs. This is one of my biggest appeals of Darkfall, and the sense of "danger" that first person creates is extremely exhilarating.

"People say WOW is easy combat compared to this? No ...just no. Darkfall combat requires that one run and spam 1 button. "But dude you have to aim!" So f___ing what? If you like aiming a cursor, get a game that has a ball moving randomly on a screen and click on it: you get points for more hits as it moves faster and faster and faster and in the end, those with the best hand-eye coordination will win."

Again, if you're spamming "one button" you're probably the worst PvPer in Agon... ever. I have 5 hotbars filled up that I toggle through during combat. I have to go through all 5 of these hotbars to equip/unequip my weapons, my spells, my combat skills, my mount(s), my potions, my food, and I have to consciously cycle through all of these during combat. Again, after playing WoW for a little over 2 1/2 years, I can easily say combat in Darkfall is leaps and bound more complex than in WoW, and yes, I would consider PvP in WoW a HELL of a lot "easier" than in Darkfall.

"If this is WOW combat on the other hand, the PVP requires that one understand a complex array of possibilities from many different classes and how one should respond in real time to thoses effects. One must also use multiple resources to coordinate the effect. Sure darkfall has buffs and mele additions but it's not the same. "

Complex array of possibilities? Hey, guess what, you KNOW what class your enemy is in WoW when you fight them. You have NO F'ING CLUE what "class" (god, I hate using that term in Darkfall...) your opponent is when you engage in combat in Darkfall. On TOP of that, your opponent can switch from archery, to melee, to magic, on the turn of a dime, and you have to REACT immediately to their actions, or else you'll die.

I will agree with you on one point though, Darkfall's buffs are not the same as WoW, because in Darkfall, you have to actually AIM your buffs and debuffs, you can hit the WRONG target, and even with heals, you can heal an ENEMY by accident.

In WoW you will NEVER MISS your "target" with a buff or debuff, unless it's by some random number that is generated to determine if the buff and debuff will "hit". To me, simply talking about buffs ALONE, Darkfall is leaps and bounds over WoW.

"I engage in combat in darkfall and sprint/hit...that's it. One day I'll buff myself before I sprint/hit i guess."

Again, this statement just goes to show you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. I can guarantee you, without a doubt, that if all you do is "sprint/hit" your kill to death ratio is probably 1:100 (if even that high). Fail again....

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Now, if you want to continue this little dance of ours, so be it, but at least make it seem like you know what you're talking about first.

Originally posted by Murashu

I quit playing DF because of the FPV. I just don't care for it. That doesn't make DF a bad game in my eyes, it just isn't the one for me.

 

You are trying to simplify the combat in DF by saying it is nothing but clicking a mouse and moving yet that is all that is involved in most MMOs. Thanks to macros I could put my entire combat rotation on one button and not even have to move in WoW. There is no intricate coordination of spells or melee in WoW, it's just macro spamming and who has the better gear.

Ok so you have a macro that works for everything in WOW? Talk about ridiculously over-simplifying! So tell me sir, if you're a warlock  getting surprised in open world by a rogue, you just smap your one size fits all macro? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
 

{ Mod Edit }

Alright this guy is just a troll. Look at his post history, it's mainly troll crap.

/thread.

Originally posted by eman_laerton

No really. I paid, I played and I quit. YOu can look down to my previous posts on this to see the details but I was just thinking over the weekend how little motivation I had to even log in. I think the reason is the poor state of this game: It is laggy in addition to being very very clunky.

The FPV is just crappy and does not allow for realistic interaction with the environment. It's trying to be an FPS and failing because all one does is spam a hit button and run. Yep folks, that's the extent of combat..hit and run...hit and run...spam nukes hit and un....BORING. There is no intricate coordination of spells and mele in the way it's done in WOW.

People say WOW is easy combat compared to this? No ...just no. Darkfall combat requires that one run and spam 1 button. "But dude you have to aim!" So f___ing what? If you like aiming a cursor, get a game that has a ball moving randomly on a screen and click on it: you get points for more hits as it moves faster and faster and faster and in the end, those with the best hand-eye coordination will win.

If this is WOW combat on the other hand, the PVP requires that one understand a complex array of possibilities from many different classes and how one should respond in real time to thoses effects. One must also use multiple resources to coordinate the effect. Sure darkfall has buffs and mele additions but it's not the same. I engage in combat in darkfall and sprint/hit...that's it. One day I'll buff myself before I sprint/hit i guess.

So even if they fix the stat grind I will probably say meh.... and wait for a real game that is actually fun like WOW to replace it.

Thanks!

Im not with you on that one

Comparing wow to darkfall skills is just wrong. Wow is like a real time check game. And the player skill, all you do is turn around your enemy just to try to confuse him by going behind him, jump while casting or shooting with your bow, its also a matter of how to counter each class one by 1 and most of the time, a rock paper scissors situation. Also, wow pvp, you have to go in arena's and BG's to test your skill.

Go check some wow video on youtube and darkfall video on youtube, trust me, darkfall take more skill. sure its ridiculous to spam, but you cant deny that it take a great amount of player skill too to not suck.

Originally posted by eman_laerton

Darkfall combat requires that one run and spam 1 button. "But dude you have to aim!" So f___ing what? If you like aiming a cursor, get a game that has a ball moving randomly on a screen and click on it: you get points for more hits as it moves faster and faster and faster and in the end, those with the best hand-eye coordination will win.

Aww with this level of knowledge about DF combat mechanics you have to suck in DF pvp badly.

Originally posted by krieblood

Originally posted by eman_laerton

No really. I paid, I played and I quit. YOu can look down to my previous posts on this to see the details but I was just thinking over the weekend how little motivation I had to even log in. I think the reason is the poor state of this game: It is laggy in addition to being very very clunky.

The FPV is just crappy and does not allow for realistic interaction with the environment. It's trying to be an FPS and failing because all one does is spam a hit button and run. Yep folks, that's the extent of combat..hit and run...hit and run...spam nukes hit and un....BORING. There is no intricate coordination of spells and mele in the way it's done in WOW.

People say WOW is easy combat compared to this? No ...just no. Darkfall combat requires that one run and spam 1 button. "But dude you have to aim!" So f___ing what? If you like aiming a cursor, get a game that has a ball moving randomly on a screen and click on it: you get points for more hits as it moves faster and faster and faster and in the end, those with the best hand-eye coordination will win.

If this is WOW combat on the other hand, the PVP requires that one understand a complex array of possibilities from many different classes and how one should respond in real time to thoses effects. One must also use multiple resources to coordinate the effect. Sure darkfall has buffs and mele additions but it's not the same. I engage in combat in darkfall and sprint/hit...that's it. One day I'll buff myself before I sprint/hit i guess.

So even if they fix the stat grind I will probably say meh.... and wait for a real game that is actually fun like WOW to replace it.

Thanks!

Ok im not fanboi for Darkfall, Look threw my history i punch DorkFail in the nose on a daily bases.

But your wrong about WoW taking more skill, Tabing auto targeting is in no way Harder then Twitch system.

Now if Darkfall made there combat system a little more like Mortal with FPS melee and Click the attack butten to draw your weapon back and release the button to swing would make it ALOT more challenging.

But your post Fails DarkFall kills WoW anyday Hands down to the compair of Theme park VS Sandbox, Sandbox is way more immersive then a set Themepark ride.

 

Y'know I agree with you on everything you said here. Especially the part about the sandbox part, But i don't think darkfall kills wow in everyway. How can you even compare the 2? You are a complete idiot and know nothing of the gaming industry what-so-ever if you honestly think that. I don't play WoW, and I don't even like it, because it isn't my style of game, but no one can deny Blizzard have done alot with WoW and have come very far. Blizzard has done better then most of the other terrible game developers that have come out in the last 3 years. Y'know, Just because you like Sandbox mmo's dosnt mean that every other mmo that isn't is a SandBox is a terrible game and dosn't require any skill, Just because you don't like it. Honestly take your head out of your ass son, and educate yourself.