Originally posted by Villyn

I have said it once and will say it again. Just because WoW has most subs does NOT mean its the best, 90% of the American public are morons,plus the kiddie factor,cartoon factor, and easy mode factor. And that every MMO copies another MMo to a degree, dam everyone ripped off EQ, first real 3D mmo.  IMHO btw i live in USA so dont start

I take it you make up the other 10%? Don't forget the percentage of people that are pretentious twatters that think their opinion is the only one that matters.

Originally posted by Slampig

Originally posted by Villyn

I have said it once and will say it again. Just because WoW has most subs does NOT mean its the best, 90% of the American public are morons,plus the kiddie factor,cartoon factor, and easy mode factor. And that every MMO copies another MMo to a degree, dam everyone ripped off EQ, first real 3D mmo.  IMHO btw i live in USA so dont start

I take it you make up the other 10%? Don't forget the percentage of people that are pretentious twatters that think their opinion is the only one that matters.

What never ceases to amaze me are all the angry "X-COAR" people tearing apart WoW because it doesn't conform to their standards.

If it hasn't been said... WoW is the best thing to open the bridge to the world as far as MMO's go. That being said, it's a very well done, well polished and supported Entry Level Online Game. It's easy to pick up, has quite a bit of content, plays well and has a epic player base.

Why I believe the "X-COAR" people rage so much is because they want a game that is just as well done as WoW, just up to their speed. I concur, in a way. I've played my fill of WoW. I want the next level of entertainment, pun intended. But I'm not going to sit here and /wrists about it and cry to the world about "HOW GREAT <insert game> WAS" when the game still exists and they could spend their energy and efforts in posting in THEIR games forums. Pretty sad... pretty sad.

 Your games are dead.

Let WoW have it's moment in the sun.

Time for you to change or move on.

I don't know about game of the decade but it definitely deserves the grind of the decade award.

If World of Warcraft doesnt deserve it, then Starcraft sure as hell does. 

There again, theyre both Blizzard games.  Go figure

To define World of Warcraft is to say that it was just a huge compilation of everything that came before it. One major selling point was polish .. I seem to remember a TON of downtime and i still believe they lose 4 days a month to routine maintenance. What WoW did was market itself well. They still do with good ole Mr. T.  .. To give a game the title Game of the Decade it would have to stand out above the rest. The problem is that WOW took from everything that was already out and added Blizzard polish to it. The best games of the Decade were pre World of Warcraft. WoW is the Wal-mart of MMO gaming. Without the overseas markets it would just be an average game subscriber wise.

Originally posted by Rayx0r

If World of Warcraft doesnt deserve it, then Starcraft sure as hell does. 

There again, theyre both Blizzard games.  Go figure

Starcraft can't win it as Starcraft was made in 97

Originally posted by Oscillate

 

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Originally posted by Sovrath

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Originally posted by Oscillate  

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Originally posted by Gylfi 1- what decade are we talking about here? :D 2- Everquest had social impact on the NICHE it had, WoW had a social impact on the whole near-apocalypse planet we have our unwary feet upon.. I repeat, "game of the decade" is different from "best game of the decade"

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  Everquest was released March 16th 1999, so it would be this decade. In all due respect to WoW, but its easier to walk a road than pave your own. Granted they meshed their game well, but SoE took a lot of chances with Everquest and they where going out on a very unfamiliar limb. Which paved the way for all 3D MMOs to date. (have to put "3D" in there, UO was a building block, former to it really) Ask any Blizzard programmer/designer (a few are still there that worked on Everquest with SoE) and they will tell you the influence Everquest had on everything that proceeded it.

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Ah... but, WoW isn't out of the timeframe, seeing as how the majority of what they did was in the time frame of Nov 23rd, 04 to March 16, 09. Which puts it in with Everquest, but I see what you mean. 2000-2010, but... Everquest is still around, it didn't end in 1999, and its success was high in 2000, or are we just talking release dates for success, that came a year, or many years after a release date?...

 

Confusing :S

Actually, if you understand place value at all, you would know that the decade began in 2001. 2000 was the last year of of the 20th century - hence in place value 20 centuries = 20 X 100 = 2000.

Or another way to look at it; a decade is 10 years: 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and the last year of the decade 2010.

But the point still taken, EQ actually reached it's height in this decade none the less. But look at EQ's impact compared with the  nuclear bomb of Warcraft. If EQ deserves game of the decade for having 250k + subs, what would that mean WoW gets for 9 million + subs. I think it is safe to say that WoW created more gamers, affected more existing gamers and changed (for good or bad) the culture of gaming much more substantially than EQ.

Originally posted by Yamota

Well I have to give credit to Blizzard for creating a game that single-handedly destroyed the MMORPG genre and turned virtual world concept to linear, themepark, single player game set in a massive multiplayer world.

But hey, capitalism is what it is and there is no denying the 11+ million subscribers the game has. Even so it is a shame that the original MMORPG concept is now almost gone and all we get now are regurgigated WoW clones.

Agree....sadly.

Originally posted by Gylfi

Lol good going. How bout www.madonna.com, since you linked non-gaming sites?

I'm sorry but you can't find a game that has more power or is bigger than WoW. Just deal with it. And that's as much as i hate it.

Should i repeat the distinction between "game of the decade" and "best game of the decade"? The latter is just the game you think rocks the most, and it's subjective nonsense and tastes. The first is just the game that, be it good or bad, has had more INFLUENCE, POWER and PERSISTANCY over the years. And these things aren't subjective fluff, they're inevitable truths.

Because gaming sites and magazines are such a huge reflection of culture?  Sorry I'll continue to look at the entertainment section for the direction of popular culture.

You cite the South Park episode that does nothing but bash MMO gamers as evidence that WoW has made its mark in culture?  Ok haha I think the whole episode is kind of summed up by the statement that the Blizzard developer makes towards the end of the episode... "I don't have an account, I have a life."

Hey look at Second Life in the media..

John Stewart Show:  Avatar Heroes segment

Law and Order: Special Victims Unit:  episode called 'Avatar'

CSI NY:  in two episodes..  'Down the Rabbit Hole' episode, and another episode called  'DOA For A Day'

The Office:  'Local Aid' episode

The Fifth Estate:  'Strangers in Paradise' episode

Goin Bananas:  had an episode that made fun of it with a v.world called Better Life

Beautiful Kate:  An Australian movie has SL in a scene where they talk about an avatar.

Documentaries:  ABC Documentary on Second Life, 'Molotov Alva and His Search For His Creator: A Second Life Odysseyon' in six episodes on Cinemax (they also set up an island in game), Life 2.0 movie, and a few others that use SL at times on PBS.

Music..

U2 had a show in SL that was all over MTV music news, and Duran Duran and Timberland wrote a song about SL.  Countless people preform live in SL everyday..   a lot of these people are selling their music online, or have been formally published.

Authors writing novels about SL or using SL as a theme..

Peter Anghelides, Dean Kootnz, Charles Stross,  Sam Bourne, among others

But that South Park episode about WoW is too cool, and totally proves a lot.

I have to agree. I can't think of another game that had a bigger cultural impact than WoW, which is very impressive considering its a video game.

I agree with WoW being the game of the decade!

First of all why i agree is that WoW opened up the MMOG genre to everyone. People didnt had to know that (dramatization) Attack Power x Strenght divided by infinity +1 will give you this extra attack. All this to say that it just got user friendly wich got a lot of people into the genre and i think it's great! Bigger the community better it is!

Replayability, The game got imo a really good replay factor as for characters, or place in the world, pvp or just to know all the lore that is around WoW.

Blizzard learned something : Wanna get more people? Make the game so it can run on a WIDE range of computer. Wich is a good advantage for a game.

So in short WoW is 1st user friendly

                               2nd good replayability

                               3rd can run on a computer with a processor activated by a squirrel and a hamster

I really can't stand all those people whining about WoW. I use to say something : I don't like at all what Celine Dion do, but still gotta give her the credit that she made it really well. Same with WoW! Hate it, love it, but gives to WoW the credit it deserve.

If you want to flame me. Go ahead you will make me laugh for a bit :)

Originally posted by ebonfire 

Here is a "Game of the Decade" review lists by the San Francisco Chronicle, and WoW is not at the top of any list.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/12/29/DDU71B5TIO.DTL

 

Here is the 10 most import works of the Decade from Toronto..  1.  Guitar Hero.   Hey no WoW on the list..  hmmm.

http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/centurysofar/article/744039--10-most-important-works-of-the-decade-no-1-guitar-hero#comments 

 

Indianapolis Star..   GTA is the number one game of the decade,  ooops no WoW on the list?

http://blogs.indystar.com/geek/2009/12/top_games_of_th.html

 

Wait.. there are quite a few "Game of the Decades" that came up in the Google news feed, but I can't find the WoW on even half of the lists.  Hmmmmm

 

OMG! The Indianapolis Star didn't put WoW on the list? You've convinced me! I had no idea such a reputable gaming source didn't include WoW. I can't believe I almost thought WoW had made some sort of impact, but if the MMO Mecca aka known as Indianapolis shunned WoW, well, it must be true. Good research -you searched for proof of this insane claim and easily showed that the most important hubs to computer gaming are all in agreement. San Fran, Toronto and again OMG Indianapolis. I must have been crazy.

Originally posted by Zorgo

Originally posted by ebonfire 

Here is a "Game of the Decade" review lists by the San Francisco Chronicle, and WoW is not at the top of any list.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/12/29/DDU71B5TIO.DTL

 

Here is the 10 most import works of the Decade from Toronto..  1.  Guitar Hero.   Hey no WoW on the list..  hmmm.

http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/centurysofar/article/744039--10-most-important-works-of-the-decade-no-1-guitar-hero#comments 

 

Indianapolis Star..   GTA is the number one game of the decade,  ooops no WoW on the list?

http://blogs.indystar.com/geek/2009/12/top_games_of_th.html

 

Wait.. there are quite a few "Game of the Decades" that came up in the Google news feed, but I can't find the WoW on even half of the lists.  Hmmmmm

 

 

OMG! The Indianapolis Star didn't put WoW on the list? You've convinced me! I had no idea such a reputable gaming source didn't include WoW. I can't believe I almost thought WoW had made some sort of impact, but if the MMO Mecca aka known as Indianapolis shunned WoW, well, it must be true. Good research -you searched for proof of this insane claim and easily showed that the most important hubs to computer gaming are all in agreement. San Fran, Toronto and again OMG Indianapolis. I must have been crazy.

Good try at least *claps*.   You are welcomed to go through new feeds and find how many non-gaming sites think that WoW matters in the what they define as culture.   My guess is not many, but you're welcomed to think whatever makes you feel better about the time you waste in games, and the impact you think you're making on culture and society.

Like I have already shown..  Second Life has way more cultural references.  Over a billion USD has passed through that game, and over a billion hours have been logged by players.  Educators don't take their students into WoW, Corporations don't set up a camp in WoW, Musicians don't play live in WoW, and really I only hear of the negative impact that WoW can have on lives in the mainstream media.  Second Life doesn't have to advertise on primetime because everyone comes to them, and yes there are clones that have popped up that are alway weighed against SL.

IMO it will be looked back at someday in history as being a much bigger innovator than WoW.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

NO other single video game ever  made MORE money than World of Warcraft in ... 30 years of video gaming.

The last two years alone it generated  a total of  2.4 BILLION  US dollars in revenu... (around 35% of the complete Acitivsion group - all games combined).

Unseen for ANY single game (let alone on a single platform).

In 2010 it will normally breech the cumulative 6 BILLION dollar revenu income, beating the biggest cash box in the film industry (Titanic) by a factor of 350% !

Of course it is game of the decade with these kinds of revenus.

Nothing (even on cross platforms) - comes even close. It simply generates more money than any other single video game tx to its subscription based system.

In our society that means the BEST money maker .... paid by its player base.

Be glad it is  ... on PC's and .... an mmorpg.....

I hear you have a reputation for WoW loving, but I'll say it anyway. McDonalds clearly has the best food, and Coca Cola clearly has the best soft drink... right?

Originally posted by Aeroangel

Originally posted by Zorndorf

NO other single video game ever  made MORE money than World of Warcraft in ... 30 years of video gaming.

The last two years alone it generated  a total of  2.4 BILLION  US dollars in revenu... (around 35% of the complete Acitivsion group - all games combined).

Unseen for ANY single game (let alone on a single platform).

In 2010 it will normally breech the cumulative 6 BILLION dollar revenu income, beating the biggest cash box in the film industry (Titanic) by a factor of 350% !

Of course it is game of the decade with these kinds of revenus.

Nothing (even on cross platforms) - comes even close. It simply generates more money than any other single video game tx to its subscription based system.

In our society that means the BEST money maker .... paid by its player base.

Be glad it is  ... on PC's and .... an mmorpg.....

I hear you have a reputation for WoW loving, but I'll say it anyway. McDonalds clearly has the best food, and Coca Cola clearly has the best soft drink... right?

As has been pointed out several times in this thread:

it's "Game of the Decade". Not "Best Game of the Decade".

"Best" is purely subjective so not worth discussing; but can you pick a game that has had more impact on the gaming world over the past 10 years than WoW has?

yeah but how many other games work on a subscription model in the first place? How amazing it's made so much money yet Mario can't work with any subs model to generate the money Blizzard has..

Originally posted by Gameloading

I have to agree. I can't think of another game that had a bigger cultural impact than WoW, which is very impressive considering its a video game.

McDonalds is the best restaurant EVAR.

Originally posted by Villyn

I have said it once and will say it again. Just because WoW has most subs does NOT mean its the best, 90% of the American public are morons,plus the kiddie factor,cartoon factor, and easy mode factor. And that every MMO copies another MMo to a degree, dam everyone ripped off EQ, first real 3D mmo.  IMHO btw i live in USA so dont start

What do you know, we have a real genius here folks.

Let me clarify; a great philosopher once said something like "true creativity depends solely on how well you hide your sources".

I could guarantee you that your favorite game/book/story "ripped off" something, somewhere.

Originally posted by GeniusSage

Originally posted by Gameloading

I have to agree. I can't think of another game that had a bigger cultural impact than WoW, which is very impressive considering its a video game.

McDonalds is the best restaurant EVAR.

 

To some people...yes, yes it is. And just because that opinion might differ from yours, doesn't mean theirs, NOR YOURS, is "right." 

Giving ANYTHING the title of "the best" is purely and completely subjective. There is no "the best" game. There is no "right" answer to the question.

All this aside....

I think everyone is pretty sick of this tired comment you made. If you're going to be sarcastic and insulting....at least TRY to be creative. In other words, your insult...isn't "the best." Game over. Play again? (And no, comparing a game to Brittney Spears doesn't qualify as an original insult either.)