Originally posted by lawnmowerman

  The meaning of charity has been lost. When you wanna do something nice, just do it. Giving 5% of your massive cashgrab away, with hoopla and fanfare and "oh look how charitable we are" is NOT charity.  Its advertising.

Completely agree. So far, the only game I've seen that decided to do this the way it should be is Wizard101... that is, 100% of all money earned off of people who bought a special mount went to charity. Seriously, is it really THAT hard to say "Hey, let's spend an hour or two desinging this special *thing* and then not only get a tax write-off as a company, but get good promotion and good feelings as well!"

It was bad enough when Blizz was all "Yeah, 50%!", but 5% is just terrible. It's throwing crumbs at those who are suffering and going "What, I'm giving them crumbs! How dare you get upset over this! It's better than nothing!"

Originally posted by Archemorous

Originally posted by lawnmowerman

  Id also like to add that the rep from ndoors whining about how the players called bullshit on their...well, umm..bullshit, is a douche. Write them a check yourself mr rep and stop whining and blaming the players that your ad campaign was a failure. 

 

You're free to think that. There is no way for me to prove im not a rep from ndoors, just like there is no way for you to prove I am.

Have a nice day.

 Lol, i wasnt claiming you to be a rep, i was talking about the quote in the op :)

Originally posted by Archemorous

Originally posted by lawnmowerman

  Id also like to add that the rep from ndoors whining about how the players called bullshit on their...well, umm..bullshit, is a douche. Write them a check yourself mr rep and stop whining and blaming the players that your ad campaign was a failure. 

You're free to think that. There is no way for me to prove im not a rep from ndoors, just like there is no way for you to prove I am.

Have a nice day.

You may want to reread the original post, as that's what lawn was talking about...

Originally posted by lawnmowerman

Originally posted by Archemorous

Originally posted by lawnmowerman

  Id also like to add that the rep from ndoors whining about how the players called bullshit on their...well, umm..bullshit, is a douche. Write them a check yourself mr rep and stop whining and blaming the players that your ad campaign was a failure. 

 

You're free to think that. There is no way for me to prove im not a rep from ndoors, just like there is no way for you to prove I am.

Have a nice day.

 Lol, i wasnt claiming you to be a rep, i was talking about the quote in the op :)

Allright, I misuderstood you then. Probably because I saw no whining in the press release. I saw a rep explaining why the campaign was cancelled. How do you explain why it was cancelled without mentioning the 'why'?

Originally posted by lawnmowerman

Orrrrr......instead of being greedy fucks and involving some cashscam in the whole thing, ndoors could just make a donation? Nonsense to do something asblatantly obviously greedy and self serving as this, try to pass it off as charity, then put the owness on the players when they call bullshit.

Blizz just pulled the same shit. Its crap. 

 

"charity" should not involve the company "being charitable" making a pile of  money off it. Luckily, most people aren't too dense to see this kind of scheme for what it is....though, obviously , there are those dense few.

Yeah.. but even Blizz donated 50% of the revenue for these items. To me, 50% of the procedes does show good intention. 5% is simply an attempt to gain free advertising and a false incentive for players to actually buy the items.

 This is purely opinion and speculation, but if I owned a company like ndoors, I think a better way to raise awareness for a charity might be to give away a free "pet" with some sort of likenessto the charity or something. i.e. the childs play bear or some shit like that. Then encourage the players to make donations on their own.

Win /win. You get to look good for raising awareness of the charity, while probably generating some donations and make nothing off it so you dont look like greedy scumbags. 

I bet there was never any discussion about going that route though, despite how endeared to the charity in question ndoors is. I also noticed they didnt say anything like, since things didnt go as planned, we would still like childs play to recieve a donation, so we are just gonna give them 100 grand....

I mean...if we arent making anything off it, fuck em , right?

Originally posted by Kaelaan21

Originally posted by lawnmowerman

Orrrrr......instead of being greedy fucks and involving some cashscam in the whole thing, ndoors could just make a donation? Nonsense to do something asblatantly obviously greedy and self serving as this, try to pass it off as charity, then put the owness on the players when they call bullshit.

Blizz just pulled the same shit. Its crap. 

 

"charity" should not involve the company "being charitable" making a pile of  money off it. Luckily, most people aren't too dense to see this kind of scheme for what it is....though, obviously , there are those dense few.

 

Yeah.. but even Blizz donated 50% of the revenue for these items. To me, 50% of the procedes does show good intention. 5% is simply an attempt to gain free advertising and a false incentive for players to actually buy the items.

50% of like 2 months of something that is ongoing forever...but yeah...

{ Mod Edit } Its not a scam if people were going to spend their money on items anyways. The game runs off an item mall. Dont like it? Dont play it. They didnt have to donate 5% to charity but wanted to do something nice. Doing something nice is not being greedy. Now because of stupid people like you who have nothing better to do then be whiny bitches, theres going to be less money being donated to a great cause. Having worked at a childrens hospital, I can tell you a large majority of the costs needed to run it comes from donations. Most of those donations come from what you would call "greedy" companies. So, perhaps while your taking games away from children, you should also unplug their life support since it was paid for by these donations.

Originally posted by WarpHunter

{ Mod Edit} Its not a scam if people were going to spend their money on items anyways. The game runs off an item mall. Dont like it? Dont play it. They didnt have to donate 5% to charity but wanted to do something nice. Doing something nice is not being greedy. Now because of stupid people like you who have nothing better to do then be whiny bitches, theres going to be less money being donated to a great cause. Having worked at a childrens hospital, I can tell you a large majority of the costs needed to run it comes from donations. Most of those donations come from what you would call "greedy" companies. So, perhaps while your taking games away from children, you should also unplug their life support since it was paid for by these donations.

I would be absolutely willing to bet that a VERY small portion of the costs to run a childrens hospital DO NOT come from charities tied in to advertising. They come from people who donate out of a desire to do so. There are companies...lots of them...who just fucking donate...you know...to be nice..not to raise sales.

 Its nice to see that no one will even touch what I keep bringing up. You have two choices: one, give 5% of that item to charity. Two, give nothing. Apparently alot of people thought option number two was better because option number one was too 'immoral'.

You said you gave a homeless guy 20 bucks cause he needed them more than you. How about I complain that you could've given him 50 and that you're just a cheapass, uh? The guy lives on the street, its fucking cold, he has no money. You have a home, a job and you give him 20 bucks? fork over 50 or 100 and make sure he makes it through the winter with enough blankets to stay alive out there.

Or better yet, invite him to spend the holidays in your home. Now thats proper charity.

Originally posted by Archemorous

 Its nice to see that no one will even touch what I keep bringing up. You have two choices: one, give 5% of that item to charity. Two, give nothing. Apparently alot of people thought option number two was better because option number one was too 'immoral'.

You said you gave a homeless guy 20 bucks cause he needed them more than you. How about I complain that you could've given him 50 and that you're just a cheapass, uh? The guy lives on the street, its fucking cold, he has no money. You have a home, a job and you give him 20 bucks? fork over 50 or 100 and make sure he makes it through the winter with enough blankets to stay alive out there.

Or better yet, invite him to spend the holidays in your home. Now thats proper charity.

Youre wrong. There are 3 choices. They could have just made the donation quietly.

Originally posted by lawnmowerman

Originally posted by Archemorous

 Its nice to see that no one will even touch what I keep bringing up. You have two choices: one, give 5% of that item to charity. Two, give nothing. Apparently alot of people thought option number two was better because option number one was too 'immoral'.

You said you gave a homeless guy 20 bucks cause he needed them more than you. How about I complain that you could've given him 50 and that you're just a cheapass, uh? The guy lives on the street, its fucking cold, he has no money. You have a home, a job and you give him 20 bucks? fork over 50 or 100 and make sure he makes it through the winter with enough blankets to stay alive out there.

Or better yet, invite him to spend the holidays in your home. Now thats proper charity.

Youre wrong. There are 3 choices. They could have just made the donation quietly.

And we come full circle. Welcome to the real world, where some companies try to merge the useful and the pleasant.

Edit - and I dont know if you noticed, but players were sending what was basically 'hate mail' to Child's Play, not Ndoors. Way to go, bitch to the charity and not the company. Now thats some good old fashioned 'lol' for ya.

Originally posted by Archemorous

Originally posted by lawnmowerman

Originally posted by Archemorous

 Its nice to see that no one will even touch what I keep bringing up. You have two choices: one, give 5% of that item to charity. Two, give nothing. Apparently alot of people thought option number two was better because option number one was too 'immoral'.

You said you gave a homeless guy 20 bucks cause he needed them more than you. How about I complain that you could've given him 50 and that you're just a cheapass, uh? The guy lives on the street, its fucking cold, he has no money. You have a home, a job and you give him 20 bucks? fork over 50 or 100 and make sure he makes it through the winter with enough blankets to stay alive out there.

Or better yet, invite him to spend the holidays in your home. Now thats proper charity.

Youre wrong. There are 3 choices. They could have just made the donation quietly.

 

And we come full circle. Welcome to the real world, where some companies try to merge the useful and the pleasant.

 

Edit - and I dont know if you noticed, but players were sending what was basically 'hate mail' to Child's Play, not Ndoors. Way to go, bitch to the charity and not the company. Now thats some good old fashioned 'lol' for ya.

Certainly can't argue with the point in your edit.

Originally posted by Archemorous

Edit - and I dont know if you noticed, but players were sending what was basically 'hate mail' to Child's Play, not Ndoors. Way to go, bitch to the charity and not the company. Now thats some good old fashioned 'lol' for ya.

I'm not 100% certain on the exact details, but as I recall, NDOORS recently made changes to Atlantica's item mall. It used to be that players could decide between getting items faster (through the mall) and farming them yourself (slower). In the change, they nerfed drop rates of a lot of important items for the game, basically forcing late-game players to either pay money or fail at the PvP.

Players complained A LOT. And for all of their complaining, NDOORS did nothing. So it makes sense that they would contact Child's Play, a company that might actually listen to their complaints.

Also, it's impossible to say if it was hate mail or not. The entire release from NDOORS sounds more like them trying to make anyone who complains out to be bad guys who, like us, feel that 5% is a spit in the face. It's possible that everyone who contacted them said "Look, this is what's going on, and we'd hate to see a great company like Child's Play team up with scum over 5%."

  What Ndoors should of done instead is giving 5% of what they received from players buying from their item mall since launch. That would of been better instead of trying to screw people over with a "event" for charity which involves the item mall. Why do companies always have to take the contreversial road when they got the easy road right under their noses? AO is worst then gambleing at the casino tbh,without knowing in 7 months I've putted 3K $ into their item mall,I slapped myself and haven't touched my computer for a whole month and then uninstalled the game,since then I kept my ass away from F2P MMO's.

  -Happy New Year in advance

Don't see Ndoors complaining, they get the extra 5%!  Sounds like they were in the only winners in this scenario.  Advertising something as going to charity and then turning around and not doing it seems to be like they are breaking some laws.  Perhaps some attorney general's need to look into this situation.

Personally I find Ndoors one of the more greedy producers in this genre.  I don't play their games and advise any one else to avoid them too.

Originally posted by Archemorous

 Its nice to see that no one will even touch what I keep bringing up. You have two choices: one, give 5% of that item to charity. Two, give nothing. Apparently alot of people thought option number two was better because option number one was too 'immoral'.

You said you gave a homeless guy 20 bucks cause he needed them more than you. How about I complain that you could've given him 50 and that you're just a cheapass, uh? The guy lives on the street, its fucking cold, he has no money. You have a home, a job and you give him 20 bucks? fork over 50 or 100 and make sure he makes it through the winter with enough blankets to stay alive out there.

Or better yet, invite him to spend the holidays in your home. Now thats proper charity.

No. The actual two choices are:

1. Have an increase in sales of more than 5% (more people will buy than normal cause of the charity) with the drawback of having to give 5% for charity.

2. Do your normal sales and give nothing for charity.

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If that's ok for you, why don't you sent me 100$ and i promise i 'll give to some poor guy over here the 20$.

Originally posted by scuubeedoo

Originally posted by Archemorous

 Its nice to see that no one will even touch what I keep bringing up. You have two choices: one, give 5% of that item to charity. Two, give nothing. Apparently alot of people thought option number two was better because option number one was too 'immoral'.

You said you gave a homeless guy 20 bucks cause he needed them more than you. How about I complain that you could've given him 50 and that you're just a cheapass, uh? The guy lives on the street, its fucking cold, he has no money. You have a home, a job and you give him 20 bucks? fork over 50 or 100 and make sure he makes it through the winter with enough blankets to stay alive out there.

Or better yet, invite him to spend the holidays in your home. Now thats proper charity.

 

No. The actual two choices are:

1. Have an increase in sales of more than 5% (more people will buy than normal cause of the charity) with the drawback of having to give 5% for charity.

2. Do your normal sales and give nothing for charity.

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If that's ok for you, why don't you sent me 100$ and i promise i 'll give to some poor guy over here the 20$.

 

I guess I just refuse to be that cynical. Must be a flaw in my character.

Originally posted by Archemorous

I guess I just refuse to be that cynical. Must be a flaw in my character.

You didn't sent me any money either... Why? Cause it's not about being cynical. It's about common sense.

Originally posted by scuubeedoo

Originally posted by Archemorous

I guess I just refuse to be that cynical. Must be a flaw in my character.

You didn't sent me any money either... Why? Cause it's not about being cynical. It's about common sense.

 

I didnt send you any money because you're not actually providing a service, or a product, unlike Ndoors. Say what you want about the company. All companies are greedy, we get it. They sell a product, dont want to buy, then dont. But dont whine because they try to make money, thats what all companies do.