Originally posted by arcdevil

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by Comnitus

Sounds like you might've played WoW, but quit after 40-mans were removed. Hell hath no wrath like a woman scorned... well, like a Ginkeq scorned, in this case.

 

I kind of enjoyed being in AQ40 and Naxx while these Casuals, AKA shitty players, were stuck in Molten Core.

Why do horrible players want to kill the same stuff as everyone else?  Can't they just except the fact that their MMORPG needed to be dumbed down 500 times for them to be on the same level as semi-intelligent players.

basically because as it is with most MMOs (and WoW was no exception) content difficulty has little to do with overall IQ, and more with academic failure, parental basement renting and welfare queuing.

 

People were basically asking for games where they could achieve things without getting dumped by their gf and friends, and without ending up with 80 extra lbs at the end of the year.

 

And i guess that game developers realized that their sustained income was better guaranteed by the grown up players with lifes families jobs salaries and credit cards than by 15 years olds who failed everything even (specially) P.E, with egos the size of washington , and begging 24/7 for "sum moar pocket money" to their parents  

I guarantee a hardcore player is gonna be more successful both in game and in real life, because they don't give up like casuals.

A hardcore MMO player will study for 10 hours straight for a test, because they are hardcore.  If they are bad at something, they work to improve.

A casual will study for an hour for a test, then fail, then whine that the tests are too difficult.

Casuals just suck at games, nothing more to it than that.  They want Blizzard to cater to their lack of skill. They aren't any more successful than anyone just because they suck at games.

It's like if there was a race, a hardcore person would run to the end.  A casual will walk in the wrong direction then whine that there weren't any signs and the rules were unfair etc.

Casuals are a bunch of whiners who need the game dumbed down for them

Only few peoples can achieve the things that they wish in their life. And even they still miss things that want to achieve. In games there are two kind of peoples:

1. That want to spend some free time without involve much to it.

2. That want to satisfy their self by achieve something.

For me the first group are so named "carebears". As for the second most of MMO players belong to it and they are divided in two groups:

1. Like the feeling of achievement in gameplay.

2. Like the effort and the challenge in the gameplay.

For me the second group is the hardcore audience in games in general. Even mostly such peoples spend more time in front of the game, its not necessary. The main characteristic that specify hardcore for me is the sporting spirit. Mostly such peoples are very progressive in RL also. At least all "hardcore" peoples I know are such peoples. My personal opinion is that peoples in front of the computer are exactly the same as in RL.

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by arcdevil

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by Comnitus

Sounds like you might've played WoW, but quit after 40-mans were removed. Hell hath no wrath like a woman scorned... well, like a Ginkeq scorned, in this case.

 

I kind of enjoyed being in AQ40 and Naxx while these Casuals, AKA shitty players, were stuck in Molten Core.

Why do horrible players want to kill the same stuff as everyone else?  Can't they just except the fact that their MMORPG needed to be dumbed down 500 times for them to be on the same level as semi-intelligent players.

basically because as it is with most MMOs (and WoW was no exception) content difficulty has little to do with overall IQ, and more with academic failure, parental basement renting and welfare queuing.

 

People were basically asking for games where they could achieve things without getting dumped by their gf and friends, and without ending up with 80 extra lbs at the end of the year.

 

And i guess that game developers realized that their sustained income was better guaranteed by the grown up players with lifes families jobs salaries and credit cards than by 15 years olds who failed everything even (specially) P.E, with egos the size of washington , and begging 24/7 for "sum moar pocket money" to their parents  

 

I guarantee a hardcore player is gonna be more successful both in game and in real life, because they don't give up like casuals.

A hardcore MMO player will study for 10 hours straight for a test, because they are hardcore.  If they are bad at something, they work to improve.

A casual will study for an hour for a test, then fail, then whine that the tests are too difficult.

 

Casuals just suck at games, nothing more to it than that.  They want Blizzard to cater to their lack of skill. They aren't any more successful than anyone just because they suck at games.

It's like if there was a race, a hardcore person would run to the end.  A casual will walk in the wrong direction then whine that there weren't any signs and the rules were unfair etc.

Casuals are a bunch of whiners who need the game dumbed down for them

You're right Gintek, hardcore WoW players get thousand of euro to complete in PvP competitions such as Dreamhack while casual players just stare at them on livestreams.
I knew you love WoW!
Don't mind me.

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by arcdevil

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by Comnitus

Sounds like you might've played WoW, but quit after 40-mans were removed. Hell hath no wrath like a woman scorned... well, like a Ginkeq scorned, in this case.

 

I kind of enjoyed being in AQ40 and Naxx while these Casuals, AKA shitty players, were stuck in Molten Core.

Why do horrible players want to kill the same stuff as everyone else?  Can't they just except the fact that their MMORPG needed to be dumbed down 500 times for them to be on the same level as semi-intelligent players.

basically because as it is with most MMOs (and WoW was no exception) content difficulty has little to do with overall IQ, and more with academic failure, parental basement renting and welfare queuing.

 

People were basically asking for games where they could achieve things without getting dumped by their gf and friends, and without ending up with 80 extra lbs at the end of the year.

 

And i guess that game developers realized that their sustained income was better guaranteed by the grown up players with lifes families jobs salaries and credit cards than by 15 years olds who failed everything even (specially) P.E, with egos the size of washington , and begging 24/7 for "sum moar pocket money" to their parents  

 

I guarantee a hardcore player is gonna be more successful both in game and in real life, because they don't give up like casuals.

A hardcore MMO player will study for 10 hours straight for a test, because they are hardcore.  If they are bad at something, they work to improve.

A casual will study for an hour for a test, then fail, then whine that the tests are too difficult.

 

Casuals just suck at games, nothing more to it than that.  They want Blizzard to cater to their lack of skill. They aren't any more successful than anyone just because they suck at games.

It's like if there was a race, a hardcore person would run to the end.  A casual will walk in the wrong direction then whine that there weren't any signs and the rules were unfair etc.

Casuals are a bunch of whiners who need the game dumbed down for them

Thats an incorrect assumption and an asinine one at that.  You have no data backing up your statement that hardcore players have a drive to do anything other then to play video games for long spans of time.  A hardcore gamer is only that for the purposes of your argument for lack of any corroborating  data.  

Its apparently that a casual gamer is a gamer second. Whatever they are spending the extra time on, its not gaming, hence the use of the term casual.   Hardcore gamers are known for one thing, and one thing only,  playing games non-stop as recreation. That is all.

From what I can see from this thread is, everyone needs to quit their job, get divorced and let their x spouse have the children, move into grandma's basement and play nonstop. Then we would all be hardcore and the poor OP would have someone to play with that is worthy of his hard coreness. 

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by arcdevil

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by Comnitus

Sounds like you might've played WoW, but quit after 40-mans were removed. Hell hath no wrath like a woman scorned... well, like a Ginkeq scorned, in this case.

 

I kind of enjoyed being in AQ40 and Naxx while these Casuals, AKA shitty players, were stuck in Molten Core.

Why do horrible players want to kill the same stuff as everyone else?  Can't they just except the fact that their MMORPG needed to be dumbed down 500 times for them to be on the same level as semi-intelligent players.

basically because as it is with most MMOs (and WoW was no exception) content difficulty has little to do with overall IQ, and more with academic failure, parental basement renting and welfare queuing.

 

People were basically asking for games where they could achieve things without getting dumped by their gf and friends, and without ending up with 80 extra lbs at the end of the year.

 

And i guess that game developers realized that their sustained income was better guaranteed by the grown up players with lifes families jobs salaries and credit cards than by 15 years olds who failed everything even (specially) P.E, with egos the size of washington , and begging 24/7 for "sum moar pocket money" to their parents  

 

I guarantee a hardcore player is gonna be more successful both in game and in real life, because they don't give up like casuals.

A hardcore MMO player will study for 10 hours straight for a test, because they are hardcore.  If they are bad at something, they work to improve.

A casual will study for an hour for a test, then fail, then whine that the tests are too difficult.

 

Casuals just suck at games, nothing more to it than that.  They want Blizzard to cater to their lack of skill. They aren't any more successful than anyone just because they suck at games.

It's like if there was a race, a hardcore person would run to the end.  A casual will walk in the wrong direction then whine that there weren't any signs and the rules were unfair etc.

Casuals are a bunch of whiners who need the game dumbed down for them

 

Thats an incorrect assumption and an asinine one at that.  You have no data backing up your statement that hardcore players have a drive to do anything other then to play video games for long spans of time.  A hardcore gamer is only that for the purposes of your argument for lack of any corroborating  data.  

 

Its apparently that a casual gamer is a gamer second. Whatever they are spending the extra time on, its not gaming, hence the use of the term casual.   Hardcore gamers are known for one thing, and one thing only,  playing games non-stop as recreation. That is all.

Why do you think someone who wants to be the best in an MMORPG wouldn't want to be the best IRL?  

Hardcore players have drive, and casuals do not.  That is why a casual will sit outside of BWL and whine about it being too tough.  They never tried the zone, they just whine about it not being casual enough.  They will go in and wipe once, then give up.  That is how they are in real life too.  They give up easily.

Want to know where casuals spend their time?  Watching TV, or eating potato chips and staring at a wall.  Or maybe they will write emails to blizzard about how their guild sucks and cant clear BWL

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Originally posted by Ginkeq

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Originally posted by arcdevil

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Originally posted by Ginkeq

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Originally posted by Comnitus

Sounds like you might've played WoW, but quit after 40-mans were removed. Hell hath no wrath like a woman scorned... well, like a Ginkeq scorned, in this case.

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I kind of enjoyed being in AQ40 and Naxx while these Casuals, AKA shitty players, were stuck in Molten Core.
Why do horrible players want to kill the same stuff as everyone else?  Can't they just except the fact that their MMORPG needed to be dumbed down 500 times for them to be on the same level as semi-intelligent players.

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basically because as it is with most MMOs (and WoW was no exception) content difficulty has little to do with overall IQ, and more with academic failure, parental basement renting and welfare queuing.
 
People were basically asking for games where they could achieve things without getting dumped by their gf and friends, and without ending up with 80 extra lbs at the end of the year.
 
And i guess that game developers realized that their sustained income was better guaranteed by the grown up players with lifes families jobs salaries and credit cards than by 15 years olds who failed everything even (specially) P.E, with egos the size of washington , and begging 24/7 for "sum moar pocket money" to their parents  

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I guarantee a hardcore player is gonna be more successful both in game and in real life, because they don't give up like casuals.
A hardcore MMO player will study for 10 hours straight for a test, because they are hardcore.  If they are bad at something, they work to improve.
A casual will study for an hour for a test, then fail, then whine that the tests are too difficult.
 
Casuals just suck at games, nothing more to it than that.  They want Blizzard to cater to their lack of skill. They aren't any more successful than anyone just because they suck at games.
It's like if there was a race, a hardcore person would run to the end.  A casual will walk in the wrong direction then whine that there weren't any signs and the rules were unfair etc.
Casuals are a bunch of whiners who need the game dumbed down for them

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Hmm, while I don't want to get into the debate about casuals sucking at games I tend to disagree with you about the general nature of 'hardcore' gamers outside the virtual realm.

The casuals that I play with are all professionals with wives/husbands and many have children. They are considered quite successful in career and life choices by most of society.

However, the hardcore gamers I know tend to be ... well, I don't want to be insulting but they put more effort into their virtual lives than their real lives. I don't believe there is any correlation between putting a lot of time and effort into an online game and putting a lot of time and effort into one's career and social life.

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by arcdevil

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by Comnitus

Sounds like you might've played WoW, but quit after 40-mans were removed. Hell hath no wrath like a woman scorned... well, like a Ginkeq scorned, in this case.

 

I kind of enjoyed being in AQ40 and Naxx while these Casuals, AKA shitty players, were stuck in Molten Core.

Why do horrible players want to kill the same stuff as everyone else?  Can't they just except the fact that their MMORPG needed to be dumbed down 500 times for them to be on the same level as semi-intelligent players.

basically because as it is with most MMOs (and WoW was no exception) content difficulty has little to do with overall IQ, and more with academic failure, parental basement renting and welfare queuing.

 

People were basically asking for games where they could achieve things without getting dumped by their gf and friends, and without ending up with 80 extra lbs at the end of the year.

 

And i guess that game developers realized that their sustained income was better guaranteed by the grown up players with lifes families jobs salaries and credit cards than by 15 years olds who failed everything even (specially) P.E, with egos the size of washington , and begging 24/7 for "sum moar pocket money" to their parents  

 

I guarantee a hardcore player is gonna be more successful both in game and in real life, because they don't give up like casuals.

A hardcore MMO player will study for 10 hours straight for a test, because they are hardcore.  If they are bad at something, they work to improve.

A casual will study for an hour for a test, then fail, then whine that the tests are too difficult.

 

Casuals just suck at games, nothing more to it than that.  They want Blizzard to cater to their lack of skill. They aren't any more successful than anyone just because they suck at games.

It's like if there was a race, a hardcore person would run to the end.  A casual will walk in the wrong direction then whine that there weren't any signs and the rules were unfair etc.

Casuals are a bunch of whiners who need the game dumbed down for them

 

Thats an incorrect assumption and an asinine one at that.  You have no data backing up your statement that hardcore players have a drive to do anything other then to play video games for long spans of time.  A hardcore gamer is only that for the purposes of your argument for lack of any corroborating  data.  

 

Its apparently that a casual gamer is a gamer second. Whatever they are spending the extra time on, its not gaming, hence the use of the term casual.   Hardcore gamers are known for one thing, and one thing only,  playing games non-stop as recreation. That is all.

 

Why do you think someone who wants to be the best in an MMORPG wouldn't want to be the best IRL?  

Hardcore players have drive, and casuals do not.  That is why a casual will sit outside of BWL and whine about it being too tough.  They never tried the zone, they just whine about it not being casual enough.  They will go in and wipe once, then give up.  That is how they are in real life too.  They give up easily.

Want to know where casuals spend their time?  Watching TV, or eating potato chips and staring at a wall.  Or maybe they will write emails to blizzard about how their guild sucks and cant clear BWL

You misunderstand the difference between a casual gamer and a hardcore gamer.  In both names the item states clearly they are GAMERS.  That doesn't address the kind of people they are.  A Hardcore gamer is only that.  If you say you spend 10 hours a day playing games, well guess what you're not doing for 10 hours a day.  You can try and say that a hardcore gamer would apply the same dedication to every aspect of their life, but you would be incorrect.  Consider it to be like a drug addiction.  You spend time using and procuring drugs, and all you want to do is use and enjoy them.  On the opposite of that, by feeding your addiction, you lack in other areas,  you do not apply the same strength of conviction as you do to your job as to your drug taking as it interests you less and less, and all items opposing your addiction suffer.

Thats why there is a stark distinction between being a professional, and being recreational.   A casual player plays as recreational, and by doing so allows the game to be exactly what it was made for while still pursuing other avenues.  A hardcore player puts all their eggs in one basket, however recreational you say it is.

In the end, theres no saying what is better or worse, as again, it is a matter of perspective.  Apparently you feel being a hardcore gamer is the end all, be all and that hardcore gamers are some sort of elite race of people that excel in everything.  I on the other hand know exactly what they are, and if they are considered elite at all, it will be because of the gear they are wearing and not the strength of their convictions.

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by arcdevil

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by Comnitus

Sounds like you might've played WoW, but quit after 40-mans were removed. Hell hath no wrath like a woman scorned... well, like a Ginkeq scorned, in this case.

 

I kind of enjoyed being in AQ40 and Naxx while these Casuals, AKA shitty players, were stuck in Molten Core.

Why do horrible players want to kill the same stuff as everyone else?  Can't they just except the fact that their MMORPG needed to be dumbed down 500 times for them to be on the same level as semi-intelligent players.

basically because as it is with most MMOs (and WoW was no exception) content difficulty has little to do with overall IQ, and more with academic failure, parental basement renting and welfare queuing.

 

People were basically asking for games where they could achieve things without getting dumped by their gf and friends, and without ending up with 80 extra lbs at the end of the year.

 

And i guess that game developers realized that their sustained income was better guaranteed by the grown up players with lifes families jobs salaries and credit cards than by 15 years olds who failed everything even (specially) P.E, with egos the size of washington , and begging 24/7 for "sum moar pocket money" to their parents  

 

I guarantee a hardcore player is gonna be more successful both in game and in real life, because they don't give up like casuals.

A hardcore MMO player will study for 10 hours straight for a test, because they are hardcore.  If they are bad at something, they work to improve.

A casual will study for an hour for a test, then fail, then whine that the tests are too difficult.

 

Casuals just suck at games, nothing more to it than that.  They want Blizzard to cater to their lack of skill. They aren't any more successful than anyone just because they suck at games.

It's like if there was a race, a hardcore person would run to the end.  A casual will walk in the wrong direction then whine that there weren't any signs and the rules were unfair etc.

Casuals are a bunch of whiners who need the game dumbed down for them

 

Thats an incorrect assumption and an asinine one at that.  You have no data backing up your statement that hardcore players have a drive to do anything other then to play video games for long spans of time.  A hardcore gamer is only that for the purposes of your argument for lack of any corroborating  data.  

 

Its apparently that a casual gamer is a gamer second. Whatever they are spending the extra time on, its not gaming, hence the use of the term casual.   Hardcore gamers are known for one thing, and one thing only,  playing games non-stop as recreation. That is all.

 

Why do you think someone who wants to be the best in an MMORPG wouldn't want to be the best IRL?  

Hardcore players have drive, and casuals do not.  That is why a casual will sit outside of BWL and whine about it being too tough.  They never tried the zone, they just whine about it not being casual enough.  They will go in and wipe once, then give up.  That is how they are in real life too.  They give up easily.

Want to know where casuals spend their time?  Watching TV, or eating potato chips and staring at a wall.  Or maybe they will write emails to blizzard about how their guild sucks and cant clear BWL

 

You misunderstand the difference between a casual gamer and a hardcore gamer.  In both names the item states clearly they are GAMERS.  That doesn't address the kind of people they are.  A Hardcore gamer is only that.  If you say you spend 10 hours a day playing games, well guess what you're not doing for 10 hours a day.  You can try and say that a hardcore gamer would apply the same dedication to every aspect of their life, but you would be incorrect.  Consider it to be like a drug addiction.  You spend time using a procuring drugs, and all you want to do is enjoy them.  On the opposite of that, by feeding your addiction, you lack in other areas,  you do not apply the same strength of conviction as you do to your job as to your drug taking, and all items suffer.

 

Thats why there is a stark distinction between being a professional, and being recreational.   A casual player plays as recreational, and by doing so allows the game to be exactly what it was made for while still pursuing other avenues.  A hardcore player puts all their eggs in one basket, however recreational you say it is.

 

In the end, theres no saying what is better or worse, as again, it is a matter of perspective.  Apparently you feel being a hardcore gamer is the end all, be all and that hardcore gamers are some sort of elite race of people that excel in everything.  I on the other hand know exactly what they are, and if they are considered elite at all, it will be because of the gear they are wearing and not the strength of their convictions.

You're wrong with your definitions:

A casual player is a person who sucks at the game, and says everything is time based when it's skill based

A hardcore player is a person who is good at the game, and works through the challenges without whining all day.

Just because a casual will log off after wiping once in BWL, that doesn't mean they are going to be successful IRL.  Maybe they went to go watch a meaningless football game that is on TV?  

Hardcore players are more successful at what they do, both in game, and in real life.  It is not their fault that they are more dedicated to things that they do.  

Casuals just look for excuses all the time, and have no willpower.  Nerf this zone for me blizzard, I wiped once.

Originally posted by Ginkeq 

I guarantee a hardcore player is gonna be more successful both in game and in real life, because they don't give up like casuals.

A hardcore MMO player will study for 10 hours straight for a test, because they are hardcore.  If they are bad at something, they work to improve.

A casual will study for an hour for a test, then fail, then whine that the tests are too difficult.

 

Lol, the most hardcore gamer I know lost his job after 2 weeks because he didn't have time for it.
 

People aren't in a specific way just because how they play a game but playing computer games many hours a day will take time away from other stuff like family, friends, sleep and work. 

To be honest is it more the casual guy who studies for 10 hours, the hardcore guy is more likely to do an hour and then go raiding instead.

But the problem here is that it all depends on what you count as successful. Some people value money, some family, other having a good time. And in 100 years we will all be dead and no one cares so it is up to you to try to have a meaningful life.

But I never met someone that is a successful raider with a great job, a lots of money, many friends (off line, mind you) and a close family. MMOs do take a lot of time and so does all the other stuff, there surely is some people that can balance everything but saying that it common is just wrong.

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by arcdevil

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by Comnitus

Sounds like you might've played WoW, but quit after 40-mans were removed. Hell hath no wrath like a woman scorned... well, like a Ginkeq scorned, in this case.

 

I kind of enjoyed being in AQ40 and Naxx while these Casuals, AKA shitty players, were stuck in Molten Core.

Why do horrible players want to kill the same stuff as everyone else?  Can't they just except the fact that their MMORPG needed to be dumbed down 500 times for them to be on the same level as semi-intelligent players.

basically because as it is with most MMOs (and WoW was no exception) content difficulty has little to do with overall IQ, and more with academic failure, parental basement renting and welfare queuing.

 

People were basically asking for games where they could achieve things without getting dumped by their gf and friends, and without ending up with 80 extra lbs at the end of the year.

 

And i guess that game developers realized that their sustained income was better guaranteed by the grown up players with lifes families jobs salaries and credit cards than by 15 years olds who failed everything even (specially) P.E, with egos the size of washington , and begging 24/7 for "sum moar pocket money" to their parents  

 

I guarantee a hardcore player is gonna be more successful both in game and in real life, because they don't give up like casuals.

A hardcore MMO player will study for 10 hours straight for a test, because they are hardcore.  If they are bad at something, they work to improve.

A casual will study for an hour for a test, then fail, then whine that the tests are too difficult.

 

Casuals just suck at games, nothing more to it than that.  They want Blizzard to cater to their lack of skill. They aren't any more successful than anyone just because they suck at games.

It's like if there was a race, a hardcore person would run to the end.  A casual will walk in the wrong direction then whine that there weren't any signs and the rules were unfair etc.

Casuals are a bunch of whiners who need the game dumbed down for them

 

Thats an incorrect assumption and an asinine one at that.  You have no data backing up your statement that hardcore players have a drive to do anything other then to play video games for long spans of time.  A hardcore gamer is only that for the purposes of your argument for lack of any corroborating  data.  

 

Its apparently that a casual gamer is a gamer second. Whatever they are spending the extra time on, its not gaming, hence the use of the term casual.   Hardcore gamers are known for one thing, and one thing only,  playing games non-stop as recreation. That is all.

 

Why do you think someone who wants to be the best in an MMORPG wouldn't want to be the best IRL?  

Hardcore players have drive, and casuals do not.  That is why a casual will sit outside of BWL and whine about it being too tough.  They never tried the zone, they just whine about it not being casual enough.  They will go in and wipe once, then give up.  That is how they are in real life too.  They give up easily.

Want to know where casuals spend their time?  Watching TV, or eating potato chips and staring at a wall.  Or maybe they will write emails to blizzard about how their guild sucks and cant clear BWL

 

You misunderstand the difference between a casual gamer and a hardcore gamer.  In both names the item states clearly they are GAMERS.  That doesn't address the kind of people they are.  A Hardcore gamer is only that.  If you say you spend 10 hours a day playing games, well guess what you're not doing for 10 hours a day.  You can try and say that a hardcore gamer would apply the same dedication to every aspect of their life, but you would be incorrect.  Consider it to be like a drug addiction.  You spend time using a procuring drugs, and all you want to do is enjoy them.  On the opposite of that, by feeding your addiction, you lack in other areas,  you do not apply the same strength of conviction as you do to your job as to your drug taking, and all items suffer.

 

Thats why there is a stark distinction between being a professional, and being recreational.   A casual player plays as recreational, and by doing so allows the game to be exactly what it was made for while still pursuing other avenues.  A hardcore player puts all their eggs in one basket, however recreational you say it is.

 

In the end, theres no saying what is better or worse, as again, it is a matter of perspective.  Apparently you feel being a hardcore gamer is the end all, be all and that hardcore gamers are some sort of elite race of people that excel in everything.  I on the other hand know exactly what they are, and if they are considered elite at all, it will be because of the gear they are wearing and not the strength of their convictions.

 

You're wrong with your definitions:

A casual player is a person who sucks at the game, and says everything is time based when it's skill based

A hardcore player is a person who is good at the game, and works through the challenges without whining all day.

 

Just because a casual will log off after wiping once in BWL, that doesn't mean they are going to be successful IRL.  Maybe they went to go watch a meaningless football game that is on TV?  

Hardcore players are more successful at what they do, both in game, and in real life.  It is not their fault that they are more dedicated to things that they do.  

Casuals just look for excuses all the time, and have no willpower.  Nerf this zone for me blizzard, I wiped once.

 

So, by your definition, you are deeming a hardcore gamer based on how well they play the game?  For example, if I were to excel at, say, Halo, and win a majority of matches, but play only 2 hours a day, where say you would play for 6 hours a day and lose to me every time and whine about it.. that would make me a hardcore player even though I've spent less time?

That is not the difference between casual and hardcore players, but if that is your definition, then I can understand where some people are taking offense.  If that is your definition, then we have a lot more hardcore players then we thought we did.

Originally posted by Ginkeq

 

You're wrong with your definitions:

A casual player is a person who sucks at the game, and says everything is time based when it's skill based

A hardcore player is a person who is good at the game, and works through the challenges without whining all day.

 

Just because a casual will log off after wiping once in BWL, that doesn't mean they are going to be successful IRL.  Maybe they went to go watch a meaningless football game that is on TV?  

No, that part is right.

Hardcore players are more successful at what they do, both in game, and in real life.  It is not their fault that they are more dedicated to things that they do.  

But now you are being stupid. There is a difference between being dedicated in a game and in everything, no one in the friggin universe is dedicated in everything they do, that isn't even possible.

Casuals just look for excuses all the time, and have no willpower.  Nerf this zone for me blizzard, I wiped once.

 To say that just because someone suck in a game (and not all casuals do) doesn't mean they suck in other stuff. And the other way around. And you assume that people don't play more hours each day because they are bad players.

I am starting to wonder how old you are, the idea that you can tell everything about someone by watching them play a game is dumber than astrology.

I'm laughing so hard in real life.
Really, this is one badass hardcore player.

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Ginkeq

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Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by maskedweasel

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by arcdevil

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by Comnitus

Sounds like you might've played WoW, but quit after 40-mans were removed. Hell hath no wrath like a woman scorned... well, like a Ginkeq scorned, in this case.

 

I kind of enjoyed being in AQ40 and Naxx while these Casuals, AKA shitty players, were stuck in Molten Core.

Why do horrible players want to kill the same stuff as everyone else?  Can't they just except the fact that their MMORPG needed to be dumbed down 500 times for them to be on the same level as semi-intelligent players.

basically because as it is with most MMOs (and WoW was no exception) content difficulty has little to do with overall IQ, and more with academic failure, parental basement renting and welfare queuing.

 

People were basically asking for games where they could achieve things without getting dumped by their gf and friends, and without ending up with 80 extra lbs at the end of the year.

 

And i guess that game developers realized that their sustained income was better guaranteed by the grown up players with lifes families jobs salaries and credit cards than by 15 years olds who failed everything even (specially) P.E, with egos the size of washington , and begging 24/7 for "sum moar pocket money" to their parents  

 

I guarantee a hardcore player is gonna be more successful both in game and in real life, because they don't give up like casuals.

A hardcore MMO player will study for 10 hours straight for a test, because they are hardcore.  If they are bad at something, they work to improve.

A casual will study for an hour for a test, then fail, then whine that the tests are too difficult.

 

Casuals just suck at games, nothing more to it than that.  They want Blizzard to cater to their lack of skill. They aren't any more successful than anyone just because they suck at games.

It's like if there was a race, a hardcore person would run to the end.  A casual will walk in the wrong direction then whine that there weren't any signs and the rules were unfair etc.

Casuals are a bunch of whiners who need the game dumbed down for them

 

Thats an incorrect assumption and an asinine one at that.  You have no data backing up your statement that hardcore players have a drive to do anything other then to play video games for long spans of time.  A hardcore gamer is only that for the purposes of your argument for lack of any corroborating  data.  

 

Its apparently that a casual gamer is a gamer second. Whatever they are spending the extra time on, its not gaming, hence the use of the term casual.   Hardcore gamers are known for one thing, and one thing only,  playing games non-stop as recreation. That is all.

 

Why do you think someone who wants to be the best in an MMORPG wouldn't want to be the best IRL?  

Hardcore players have drive, and casuals do not.  That is why a casual will sit outside of BWL and whine about it being too tough.  They never tried the zone, they just whine about it not being casual enough.  They will go in and wipe once, then give up.  That is how they are in real life too.  They give up easily.

Want to know where casuals spend their time?  Watching TV, or eating potato chips and staring at a wall.  Or maybe they will write emails to blizzard about how their guild sucks and cant clear BWL

 

You misunderstand the difference between a casual gamer and a hardcore gamer.  In both names the item states clearly they are GAMERS.  That doesn't address the kind of people they are.  A Hardcore gamer is only that.  If you say you spend 10 hours a day playing games, well guess what you're not doing for 10 hours a day.  You can try and say that a hardcore gamer would apply the same dedication to every aspect of their life, but you would be incorrect.  Consider it to be like a drug addiction.  You spend time using a procuring drugs, and all you want to do is enjoy them.  On the opposite of that, by feeding your addiction, you lack in other areas,  you do not apply the same strength of conviction as you do to your job as to your drug taking, and all items suffer.

 

Thats why there is a stark distinction between being a professional, and being recreational.   A casual player plays as recreational, and by doing so allows the game to be exactly what it was made for while still pursuing other avenues.  A hardcore player puts all their eggs in one basket, however recreational you say it is.

 

In the end, theres no saying what is better or worse, as again, it is a matter of perspective.  Apparently you feel being a hardcore gamer is the end all, be all and that hardcore gamers are some sort of elite race of people that excel in everything.  I on the other hand know exactly what they are, and if they are considered elite at all, it will be because of the gear they are wearing and not the strength of their convictions.

 

You're wrong with your definitions:

A casual player is a person who sucks at the game, and says everything is time based when it's skill based

A hardcore player is a person who is good at the game, and works through the challenges without whining all day.

 

Just because a casual will log off after wiping once in BWL, that doesn't mean they are going to be successful IRL.  Maybe they went to go watch a meaningless football game that is on TV?  

Hardcore players are more successful at what they do, both in game, and in real life.  It is not their fault that they are more dedicated to things that they do.  

Casuals just look for excuses all the time, and have no willpower.  Nerf this zone for me blizzard, I wiped once.

 

 

So, by your definition, you are deeming a hardcore gamer based on how well they play the game?  For example, if I were to excel at, say, Halo, and win a majority of matches, but play only 2 hours a day, where say you would play for 6 hours a day and lose to me every time and whine about it.. that would make me a hardcore player even though I've spent less time?

 

That is not the difference between casual and hardcore players, but if that is your definition, then I can understand where some people are taking offense.  If that is your definition, then we have a lot more hardcore players then we thought we did.

Being hardcore isn't so much about time investment as it is about knowledge. 

A hardcore player will be knowledgeable about a lot of things.  For instance, they might know how to complete any raid in WoW, or they might know the fastest way to level up in a game, or know the best possible gear set ups for a given build. 

It's not about time as many people try to say.  These people just want to label skilled players as losers for some reason.  Maybe they can't handle the same PVE content as skilled guilds, so they call it time investment, and say hardcore players are losers with too much time on their hands.

Sometimes you will be in a guild where someone will say, it's midnight, and log off instantly.  They are not hardcore, they are stupid and not dedicated at all.  A hardcore player will stay hours past when they normally should have left.  They don't give up because of stupid rules like "It's midnight".

The real difference is knowledge and dedication.  A lot of hardcore players spend less time playing MMORPGs than casuals, because the hardcore players can clear content in 1 hour that takes casuals 3 hours.  

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Ginkeq 

I guarantee a hardcore player is gonna be more successful both in game and in real life, because they don't give up like casuals.

A hardcore MMO player will study for 10 hours straight for a test, because they are hardcore.  If they are bad at something, they work to improve.

A casual will study for an hour for a test, then fail, then whine that the tests are too difficult.

 

Lol, the most hardcore gamer I know lost his job after 2 weeks because he didn't have time for it.
 

People aren't in a specific way just because how they play a game but playing computer games many hours a day will take time away from other stuff like family, friends, sleep and work. 

To be honest is it more the casual guy who studies for 10 hours, the hardcore guy is more likely to do an hour and then go raiding instead.

But the problem here is that it all depends on what you count as successful. Some people value money, some family, other having a good time. And in 100 years we will all be dead and no one cares so it is up to you to try to have a meaningful life.

But I never met someone that is a successful raider with a great job, a lots of money, many friends (off line, mind you) and a close family. MMOs do take a lot of time and so does all the other stuff, there surely is some people that can balance everything but saying that it common is just wrong.

Nice to meet you.

Have well paid job as a software developer, 2 sons and beautiful wife. I do not spend so much time so I never have problems with my job or family but still I count my self as a hardcore raidier in WoW.

In my long enough carrier as a raider in WoW I have met so much carebears that spend all day in front of the game but do not have enough brain to calculate that its more valuable to use better gems in their gear instead to get next tier piece, that make me quit.

I really prefer to be a carebear in hardcore game than try to socialize with so much noobs all the time...

Originally posted by Fyendiar

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Originally posted by Fyendiar

Once upon a time there were two groups of heroes trying to best a giant dragon. Both groups have one person that messes things up and causes the rest to die a horrible death. The reactions of each group have been written down in history...

The self proclaimed old school group:

"OMG U EFING NUB!!!111"

" HOW THE F*** CAN U B SO F***ING WAAAAAAGGGHHHHH!!!!1111"

" We should have been f****ing looting our epics now!"

The casual bunch:

"haha omg man how did you manage that? hehe so freakin funny!"

"honestly, I am pissing myself laughing atm!"

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There are other reasons than skill and time that make some of us run the other way when people call themselves "oldschool", usually they are just a bunch of elitist pricks that suck the joy out of everything.

I'd rather wipe on easy bosses with laughter than see one person whine about damage meters or gear in an smooth run through the hardest dungeon.

Fun >>>>> everything else.

Besides... I have seen so many players that had no clue how to play their class while they were clearing BWL in the days. The so called elitists had/have no more skill than the casuals, they just have other priorities.

 

 

Why not go play pacman and have your character stand still until it gets caught?  Sounds like you "casuals" would get a kick out of that.

Difference between "oldschool" and WoW crowd is that WoW crowd does not care about difficulty.  They want to act like retards and get the best gear in the game.  So Blizzard catered to them and dumbed their game down.  

It's not fun to sit 5 hours in a zone chain wiping to the same NPC because some moron in your raid gets a kick out of it.

 

WoW crowd sucks at gaming, and at thinking. 

If you took a serious EQ raiding guild and put it in WoW, there would be nothing in the game they couldn't clear. 

MMORPG difficulty these days is a joke.  No skill anymore

 

 

Yeah yeah I get it, wow sucks, eq rules, you are leet and the rest of the world sucks, you really need a new line.

Thing is that we all play for different reasons, to some it is vital to have the perfect gear, perfect spec, perfect rotation to nuke a boss down flawlessly within as short a time as possible. Usually that playstyle results in a dumbing down of the game because games are not designed for that mindset. Have you ever tried raiding with crap gear? Accepted those "undergeared" players in your raids? Have you ever considered that games are for fun and everyone find other things fun? Hvae you ever considered the fact that not working by those "elitist" rules the game becomes harder instead of easier? We still find our challenges, heck we might even find the content more challenging because we fight without all the protection the "elite" seems to demand.

You remind me of a healer I had a while back. He was complaining that that run went way too easy, he was way too elite for that run, he raided the hardest places and he was bored. However while he was making all these stupid comments I, as the tank dependant on his heals, had to drink healthpots at every cooldown to stay alive and at the first moment another group added he couldn't hack it and left.

A little while later another relaxed "casual" joined and the run ended smoothly.

In EQ there was no perfect spec (no specs at all) there was no thing as perfect gear as gear was by far more random and you could build your character with different gear and still be as good as there were not "sets" for the most part that had stat enhancements based on pieces.  EQ was by far mroe fun and challenging and why I also quit wow..it was just too easy.  I do not spend a lot of time playing games as I have what you call "a life" whatever you wanna quantify that as and WoW was still easy.  I quit and came back and within weeks was back to the top of the food chain only to be bored to death by lame easy content again.  The issue with WoW is that it is soooo cookie cutter and boring at this point.  Every class wants 3 rolls instead of choosing a class based on a roll etc etc.  WoW is the bane of good PVE based MMOs and it is sad and likely will not change.

Originally posted by Loke666

Originally posted by Ginkeq

 

You're wrong with your definitions:

A casual player is a person who sucks at the game, and says everything is time based when it's skill based

A hardcore player is a person who is good at the game, and works through the challenges without whining all day.

 

Just because a casual will log off after wiping once in BWL, that doesn't mean they are going to be successful IRL.  Maybe they went to go watch a meaningless football game that is on TV?  

No, that part is right.

Hardcore players are more successful at what they do, both in game, and in real life.  It is not their fault that they are more dedicated to things that they do.  

But now you are being stupid. There is a difference between being dedicated in a game and in everything, no one in the friggin universe is dedicated in everything they do, that isn't even possible.

Casuals just look for excuses all the time, and have no willpower.  Nerf this zone for me blizzard, I wiped once.

 To say that just because someone suck in a game (and not all casuals do) doesn't mean they suck in other stuff. And the other way around. And you assume that people don't play more hours each day because they are bad players.

I am starting to wonder how old you are, the idea that you can tell everything about someone by watching them play a game is dumber than astrology.

 

No willpower, that is the difference.  Casual will log off after 1 wipe, then go eat potato chips and call blizzard about their instance being broken b/c the mobs hit too hard.

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Sometimes you will be in a guild where someone will say, it's midnight, and log off instantly.  They are not hardcore, they are stupid and not dedicated at all.  A hardcore player will stay hours past when they normally should have left.  They don't give up because of stupid rules like "It's midnight".

Yeah, who gives a shit about work/job/sleep, we're hardcore, bro.

Originally posted by Thenarius

Originally posted by Ginkeq

Sometimes you will be in a guild where someone will say, it's midnight, and log off instantly.  They are not hardcore, they are stupid and not dedicated at all.  A hardcore player will stay hours past when they normally should have left.  They don't give up because of stupid rules like "It's midnight".

Yeah, who gives a shit about work/job/sleep, we're hardcore, bro.

Casuals always look for rules to try and avoid PVE content.  It's like they don't want to be world first in the first place

Originally posted by Thenarius

I'm laughing so hard in real life.
Really, this is one badass hardcore player.

Yup us casual gamers must be really dumb noobs