Originally posted by Archemorous

 

So you should be rewarded because you are at the mercy of the stupidity of others? if your group is bad and you wipe then that group deserves nothing.

I only wouldn't like it to be inferior compared to soloing. Being at the mercy of others' stupidity is one of the things that makes it inferior in a (from a non-extremists standpoint) "equal environment".

If 5 guys in my group are good and one idiot causes the wipe then the 5 others deserve nothing? Mmmkay.

Originally posted by Ilvaldyr

Originally posted by Hyanmen 

Does it matter in the end? Will you simply get said drops and rewards in few hours no matter which playstyle you choose? If it takes a day or two in the first place, it's irrelevant. If you can just solo a few levels in couple of hours and buy a better set from an NPC than the gear you would have gotten from the group dungeon was, that's not really enough advantage.

You asked me to provide evidence that a game caters to both playstyles. I show you a game that does, and now you're delving off into a tangent regarding which is the more attractive playstyle. That's not the issue. It's not the question you asked.

AoC offers viable gameplay for solo and group players.

Ball is in your court; counter or concede.

You didn't really offer anything. If what I said is true, then grouping is still inferior compared to soloing, which would frankly not make it cater to my playstyle. For the reason of, you know, me not being content about being inferior, as selfish as that may sound (lol).

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by Archemorous

 

So you should be rewarded because you are at the mercy of the stupidity of others? if your group is bad and you wipe then that group deserves nothing.

 

I only wouldn't like it to be inferior compared to soloing. Being at the mercy of others' stupidity is one of the things that makes it inferior in a (from a non-extremists standpoint) "equal environment".

If 5 guys in my group are good and one idiot causes the wipe then the 5 others deserve nothing? Mmmkay.

 Im talking about group dynamics. you're talking about individual skill. if the group has one idiot, then have the 5 guys vote him out of the group.

Anyway, the rewards for success in a group are also greater, so it all balances out in the end.

Originally posted by Archemorous

 

But the rewards for success in a group are also greater, so it all balances out in the end.

Ohoho, but are they? That's what I've been talking about. Make the grouping have Enough benefits soloers won't get, and then it'll be equal. However, no game like this has been since the dark ages.

"Im talking about group dynamics. you're talking about individual skill. if the group has one idiot, then have the 5 guys vote him out of the group."

We don't know about his (lack of) skill before he fucks up. And kicking him out just because of a hunch is quite rude, which isn't really common behaviour in a group based MMO in the first place, where you need other people to succeed.

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by Archemorous

 

But the rewards for success in a group are also greater, so it all balances out in the end.

 

Ohoho, but are they? That's what I've been talking about. Make the grouping have Enough benefits soloers won't get, and then it'll be equal. However, no game like this has been made as of yet.

I think you missed a few posts. Can you solo tier 10 in wow? No. You have to group, either in a raid or a 5-man. That is fact. I mean, cmon man, what do you want? Do you really want the world and beyond for the group and a lollypop for the soloer?

Originally posted by Archemorous

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by Archemorous

 

But the rewards for success in a group are also greater, so it all balances out in the end.

 

Ohoho, but are they? That's what I've been talking about. Make the grouping have Enough benefits soloers won't get, and then it'll be equal. However, no game like this has been made as of yet.

 

I think you missed a few posts. Can you solo tier 10 in wow? No. You have to group, either in a raid or a 5-man. That is fact. I mean, cmon man, what do you want? Do you really want the world and beyond for the group and a lollypop for the soloer?

Are there enough benefits to group 1-80(85?) in WoW? No. The game is unbalanced mess when it comes to playstyles, so I wouldn't take that as an example for anything regarding these issues.

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by chrisel

You whining group-fanatics/"old-schoolers"; why don't you play a CORPG game instead of MMO's?

There are so many obvious reasons why you should do that, heres a few:

-Most of you seem to hate soloers.

-You want to group up; in CORPG you can group with just the one you like, Your decisions. No need to group up with suckers like the soloers.

-Scale content with addons. Which means "challenging" in your eyes.

-MMO's are complete & utterly boring by your standards. Which is for me the most obvious reason why you should leave the whole MMO genre and never ever look back.

.

Merry Christmas

Ohoh, "holier than thou" candidate #3 enters the building. Most of us seem to hate soloers, cause we're the baaad guys. We hate everyone. So glad there are people like you in the world though, the white knights of this cruel planet.

I'm not planning to leave- why would I do that, a game for my standards is being made currently (AAA game too, gasp shock faint).

Hey Mr Selfrighteous. Funny how you say this, as I thought it myself; Group-fanatics do seem to hate everything. Including themself. Why would them else ruing a genre they participate in?

So my suggestion stand still, I suggest; Group-fanatics should play CORPG's since MMO's have outgrown 'most' group-fanatics. Well, there might be hope for a few like you, if it is true what you say; there is an MMO currently under construction. I do not know which game this would be, but I am quite sure group-fanatics will whine about that being too solo-friendly too pretty soon... sigh.

/bearhug

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by Ilvaldyr

Originally posted by Hyanmen 

Does it matter in the end? Will you simply get said drops and rewards in few hours no matter which playstyle you choose? If it takes a day or two in the first place, it's irrelevant. If you can just solo a few levels in couple of hours and buy a better set from an NPC than the gear you would have gotten from the group dungeon was, that's not really enough advantage.

You asked me to provide evidence that a game caters to both playstyles. I show you a game that does, and now you're delving off into a tangent regarding which is the more attractive playstyle. That's not the issue. It's not the question you asked.

AoC offers viable gameplay for solo and group players.

Ball is in your court; counter or concede.

You didn't really offer anything. If what I said is true, then grouping is still inferior compared to soloing, which would frankly not make it cater to my playstyle. For the reason of, you know, me not being content about being inferior, as selfish as that may sound (lol).

I'll take your inability to counter as a concession.

And a well timed one, 'cos I'm off.

Merry Christmas, all!

Originally posted by chrisel

 

 Why would them else ruing a genre they participate in?

That seems to be your "theme" as to say. I won't dwelve into that now, maybe later. Now I'll just wish you a merry christmas.

Originally posted by Ilvaldyr

I'll take your inability to counter as a concession.

And a well timed one, 'cos I'm off.

Merry Christmas, all!

Saving face attempt accepted, no hard feelings.

Merry xmas.

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Are there enough benefits to group 1-80(85?) in WoW? No. The game is unbalanced mess when it comes to playstyles, so I wouldn't take that as an example for anything regarding these issues.

Unless you're not interested in fun, no I guess there arent any benefits. I leveled to 80  in wow solo, and in groups. I had alot more fun in a group. It was a small group, granted. in fact it was just me and nother person, so a duo team. But still a group. Leveling alone was boring and not much faster.If i had done it with a pug then it wouldnt be fun at all tbh. being friends with the people in your group is key for me.

and the key word here is fun. Some people play the game for that, others dont. Different strokes for different folks, they say. And true it is.

I enjoy solo play but I also like when I need a group to break the monotony.

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by Archemorous

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by Archemorous

 

But the rewards for success in a group are also greater, so it all balances out in the end.

 

Ohoho, but are they? That's what I've been talking about. Make the grouping have Enough benefits soloers won't get, and then it'll be equal. However, no game like this has been made as of yet.

 

I think you missed a few posts. Can you solo tier 10 in wow? No. You have to group, either in a raid or a 5-man. That is fact. I mean, cmon man, what do you want? Do you really want the world and beyond for the group and a lollypop for the soloer?

Are there enough benefits to group 1-80(85?) in WoW? No. The game is unbalanced mess when it comes to playstyles, so I wouldn't take that as an example for anything regarding these issues.

The biggest benefit from doing anything should be whatsoever you say; fun.

Fun, unfortunately enough, seem to be non-existant in your world, as you seem to only center your talk around gear & loot. Poor soul.

/pat /pat

Originally posted by Archemorous

 

Unless you're not interested in fun, no I guess there arent any benefits. I leveled to 80  in wow solo, and in groups. I had alot more fun in a group. It was a small group, granted. in fact it was just me and nother person, so a duo team. But still a group. Leveling alone was boring and not much faster.

Key word here is fun. Some people play the game for that, others dont. Different strokes for different blokes, they say. And true it is.

If "fun" means "some soloer wants to try out grouping, fucks up the whole experience for everyone, I log out pissed" then no, I'm not interested. I can't say for sure but I doubt you had fun in these kind of situations either. I agree, leveling alone is boring.

Grouping is a weird animal; it needs a push to become as "fun" as soloing. I'm sure it would be more popular if that were to be done, too. And that's what this forced grouping fellow is asking for; a push. Hopefully santa will grant me that wish.

Merry xmas to you.

Originally posted by Hyanmen 

Merry xmas to you.

christmas means nothing to me, but thanks, and for you too =)

Originally posted by Archemorous

Originally posted by Hyanmen 

Merry xmas to you.

 

christmas means nothing to me, but thanks, and for you too =)

funny how the person who says christmas means nothing to him spells out the holiday name fully rather then saying "xmas". Always been one of my pet peeves, has been people saying "xmas", if you look at the spelling, you notice that it x's out a specific part of the name of the holiday. Anyways sorry to go off-topic, but thanks for spelling it out fully, even if it means nothing to you

as for soloing and grouping. I like a mixture of both tbh. If i solo i wouldnt expect the same rewards as people in a group, but that all depends on the situation i guess. In Eve 1 person can kill a group of people and take all their loot, although a group of organized people can kill a couple dozen ships in one day and get a nice reward, although split. So in pvp terms, i guess if your skilled enough, you should be rewarded nicely. In pve though, they should keep the hardest monsters dropping the best loot, hard monsters that require a group of people that is. Again like in eve, some of the best rewards are in wormholes, and the higher (or is it lower?) class of wormholes, the mobs are stronger and you need a fleet, so they get more and better loot, while the solo person can only stay in a lower class of wormhole and get the minimum of rewards although still a decent amount.

Not sure how accurate my statement of wormholes are, never been inside them or pved much in eve. So i dunno if you can solo in one. But IMO a good game needs to have both solo and grouping.

and merry christmas.

Halpot rocks.

And... Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, everyone!

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Halpot rocks.

 

And... Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays, everyone!

Thanks, and same to you.

Let's get this thread back on track though, please ;)

Originally posted by toddze

My opinion: If you want to play solo, play a SINGLE player game. If you want to play with other people play a MULTIPLAYER game. Playing solo in a multiplayer game is an oxymoron.

Playing solo in a mulitplayer game is kinda dumb, but thankfully we are talking MMORPG's here and not just multiplayer games.

MMORPG have room for both and many type of playstyle's, one might enjoy grouping allot, one might enjoy solo allot, thankfully MMORPG can give us this.

What many seem not able to understand is that solo players  "can" be very social, they don't need a group to be social there are so many activities that can be done with other people without grouping with them, there "can" be crafting where people help each other out either with resources, or simple things like sharing good harvest locations, what about something as simple as just helping other people in chat/ help channel, again very social.

Groupers, the same thing they can be very helpfull with helping other complete some missions/quest/dungeon, they might have certain knowledge about instances/caves/dungeons/boss encounters that can help defeating it.

Personaly I think to many people especially on forums like this have a very narrowminded view on both solo player and groupers.

Over the years I became more and more a solo player, reason is that about 80% of my time I wanted to group it made my experiance not a nice one, people didn't talk in groups and if they did it was often Hi and Bye when they completed their quests, over the years it's always a handfull of people who actually wanted to group for social/exploring/discovering reasons, these day's the majority I encounter is more like "I need a grou cause I need to complete something" or mainly because of the benifiths, the adventure part has lost it's way's with the majority of groups I personaly encountered (keep in mind only talking about my own experiance, so someone else his or her experiance might be different.

While I might have become a more solo player I am still very social, in crafting, in helping with all sorts of things and perhaps this might sound arrogant but many people I help(ed) ingame often ask if they can add me to their friends list because of the great help I gave them, in FE a few even said they should pay me for the help I give to many people.

Overall I wish people could let people play MMORPG they way they want. Unless other people want to pay MY sub-fee I see no reason why others should dictate how I should play.

Another things I don't mind if I don't get that Epic loot because I choose to solo, I don't need the game to catter to only me cause to me there is room for all sorts of gameplay aslong people have fun playing games in this genre. Al I want is to have freedom, meaning I don't want a MMORPG to force me in any way, not force me to solo and not force me to group.

Someone might have said it..but IMO Guild Wars did it best..You can solo or you can group up.