Originally posted by Death1942

whoever said the sandbox crowd wanted hardcore?

 

anyway i avoid this game because of the big cash sink that lies underneath the surface.  I think in the MMO Money blog the guy reported that the company who owned this game made some crazy profit last year (30 million?) which to me shows how much of a money sink it is.

I agree. I just want to advance and sustain my characters progression but the input/output ratio is severely out of whack in this games economy.

Originally posted by kicek.1

There is one more way to get money, and dont know why no one is talking about it. Oil rig. Place in middle of PvP zone, crawling with Atroxes where oil barrel is spawn every 5-15 min. Each barrel is worth between 5 and 15 ped, so if u can survive long enough its great way to make money. Was there, done that. I make my way from zero to over 40,000 ped in 3 years. No minning, hunting, just pure rigging 2-4 hours per day. Thinkin about it like an extra job. After 3 years cash out and leave with almost 4000$.

Congrats, you made 55 cents an hour!

This game is a joke.  Mostly because it's not a game, it's a virtual world scam.  It's an online casino and nothing more.

Originally posted by RedwoodSap

I won't even consider a MMOG with an item shop or cash purchase system like EVE Online and Roma Victor, or a gambling loot card game like SOE employs in their products.

I want a pure unadulterated classic MMOG design.

Eve's PLEX system is designed to fight money farmers.  The market decides what the value of one month of play is.  It has significantly dropped the value of ISK Farmers work.  I don't mind it.  If I want to get a free month of playing, I can buy a PLEX in game with some extra cash I have.  It's a fake economy, in a fake world... you shouldn't care too much.

The ability to sell play time for ingame cash doesn't bother me.

''Money sink'' Everything is money sink.. go watch a movie with popcorn, cola.. $15+ for 1:30-2 hours of entertainment... go to a night club Taxi+Beers $50+ for 5-6 hours of entertainment.. and you can both reduce the cost.. but lower your entertainment but you can still use the social aspect of both... if you dare to..

Both aren't comparable entertainment.. like EU and other MMOG

Sorry.. English isn't the first language i learned

Originally posted by docminus

Since I am yearning for some more SciFi type of MMO I figured I check out EU. And boy does it feel tough as a EU noob. The basic info isn't too bad though, better than in many other games with the keyboard layout on screen. In the end though you really start from 0. UO, Darkfall or SWG-pre-NGE/CU give you at least a weapon to start with. But hey, it's all skill based and you need to work your way up, so why not really start from scratch. 

Isn't that what many skill-lovers want? Hardcore, hardcore, hardcore. Skills only. Well, EU seems to have that? I see a lot of hate against WoW, LOTRO and other games, or at least the "clones", but EU seems to have it all. Now I am not saying I am loving it or that I will stay, but I will give a fair try.

So in the end - is it the money transactions? It is for free after all, that should prolly satiesfy the biggest hardcore players if they don't want to pay cash for equipement. Or is it lack of PvP or Raids? (I don't know if that exists or not, so I am just guessing).

*shrugs* Guess I am once again the n00B despite many years of MMOs.

My simple answer to the question posed in the title is, "yes, it's the RL cash thingy."  Why?  Because I would prefer to spend a fee up front for a service that I can enjoy for a specific time-period.  In the RMT model, I don't know how much I'm going to have to spend to make the game enjoyable, or to make myself competitive.  Simply put, the system (by design) allows the producer to manipulate the game environment to their financial advantage.  The best way to avoid being sucked down by the undertow is to stay out of the water.

Originally posted by lkavadas

Congrats, you made 55 cents an hour!

This game is a joke.  Mostly because it's not a game, it's a virtual world scam.  It's an online casino and nothing more.

Pretty much this. The game itself could actually be half decent, but the gameplay/payment model they're using is atrocious, and is probably the penultimate form of "buying your way to the win!" RMT that is ruining the genre. Couple that with the fact that you can actually lose money playing the game and it is basically virtual gambling only with more grind.