Originally posted by Amstrup

You can compare the haters to the right winged americans(republicans conservatives), sp much hate for things they dont understand.

he´s right

I really dont hate WoW,WoW just hates MMORPGs.

 I don't hate WoW. Back in pre-BC days, I used to play. Then I quit. It simply started going from a decent themepark MMO to the only real "casual" MMORPG available.

WoW simply provides no challenge anymore, and I swear if anyone quotes PvP or bosses, I will slap them because PvP has nothing to do with the game, but with the players playing the game and if you use the recommended party size on any WoW boss, it's a piece of cake compared to other MMOs' bosses.

Originally posted by ozy1

If you played MMO's before WoW you would understand OP.

Its a good game for beginners that are around 10 years old and like to be led by the hand.

Exactly!  Fanboys created the hype.  And there are millions of blizzard fanboys who are ignorant and thought wow was the first mmorpg.  THAT is why wow is POPULAR and the retardation spreads like the flu.  I loved wc and sc and diablo and those games made blizzard what it is.  They should have stayed with what they do best.  I won't even get in to d3 and sc2 hehehe

Originally posted by Amstrup

You can compare the haters to the right winged americans(republicans conservatives), sp much hate for things they dont understand.

Wow, insert totally unnecessary political reference while ironically proving your own point by showing your own misunderstanding of the republican party and assuming they don't understand something they simply (and obviously) disagree with you on;

*HERE*

Seriously, lay off the Olberman, he's bending your mind and distorting your sense of reality.

"Think for yourself, question authority"

Originally posted by jph12

Its the biggest MMORPG ever made, most popular, highest earning, and by far the most dominant. It'll be a long time before an MMORPG overpowers WoW, and with the new graphical update with Cataclysm, add a few more years onto that. The Lore of WoW also makes the limit of expansions quite high indeed. Why would Blizzard stop making a game that makes them billions? Only when WoW becomes very unpopular will that "crime" be dealt. So basically, I'm wondering why that with everyone thread posted, someone comes along and insults WoW. With 13 million active members, all paying £10 per month, it can't be that bad a game, can it? So why dis it as frequent as people do?

Thanks!

I dont hate it, not at all! It's an MMORPG milestone and a social phenomenon. I wish I were a Blizzard shareholder. But, I dont play it anymore because the game itself for me lacks depth, and being as linear as it is, it gets boring.

Originally posted by Simiel

Originally posted by Illius

Originally posted by jph12

Its the biggest MMORPG ever made, most popular, highest earning, and by far the most dominant. It'll be a long time before an MMORPG overpowers WoW, and with the new graphical update with Cataclysm, add a few more years onto that. The Lore of WoW also makes the limit of expansions quite high indeed. Why would Blizzard stop making a game that makes them billions? Only when WoW becomes very unpopular will that "crime" be dealt. So basically, I'm wondering why that with everyone thread posted, someone comes along and insults WoW. With 13 million active members, all paying £10 per month, it can't be that bad a game, can it? So why dis it as frequent as people do?

Thanks!

Almost as many Germans followed Adolf Hitler and thought the holocaust was a great idea....

By the way OP, do you play the game?

 

fail analogy, this is nothing like Adolf Hitler nor does it have any thing relating to it. Is WoW lying to people while having an ultimated plan of killing thousand of people of a race?. idk what school you go to but they didn't do their job really well.

 

His school did a better job than yours it seems, Hitler lied about all sorts of  things but ridding the "aryan" world of "subraces" was not one of them. That goal was pretty well spelled out in Mein Kampf published in 1925.

Originally posted by Sauronas

Originally posted by ozy1

If you played MMO's before WoW you would understand OP.

Its a good game for beginners that are around 10 years old and like to be led by the hand.

 

Exactly!  Fanboys created the hype.  And there are millions of blizzard fanboys who are ignorant and thought wow was the first mmorpg.  THAT is why wow is POPULAR and the retardation spreads like the flu.  I loved wc and sc and diablo and those games made blizzard what it is.  They should have stayed with what they do best.  I won't even get in to d3 and sc2 hehehe

Most of WoW's players have never played an MMO before WoW, or even one after. They have no clue what other MMOs have to offer, and think that the way WoW is, is the end all be all of MMOs. They praise Blizzards "innovations" when really, Blizzard hasn't really done anything original in the game. It's just a rehash of existing game mechanics from MMOs that came before, in a neatly polished package that anyone, and I literally mean anyone, can key mash their way to max level.

I'm not saying WoW is a terrible game. It's a decent game for what it's meant to be, and that's a generic appeal to the masses MMO. But the cost of generic appeal is that that is no particular aspect of the game that particularly stands out in the market. So for the light weight gamer, WoW is a godsend. But, if you want anything with any sense of real depth, you won't find it in WoW.

Plus, many of the "haters" are the people who enjoyed WoW in it's first couple years, before it was consistently dumbed down to appeal to a wider audience, and dislike the instant gratification treadmill to nowhere that the game has become.

seriously, I think when ppl not good at something

they'll hate it and said it was suck, carebear or very easy

when they never prove that they are good at it

Lots of people eat at Burger King or McDonalds, doesn't make it 'good' food...

Originally posted by jdream

seriously, I think when ppl not good at something

they'll hate it and said it was suck, carebear or very easy

when they never prove that they are good at it

Lol, I was very good at playing a challenging game..(EQ)  So your saying a player like me who dislikes wow,, sucked on an easier game?  I think not friend!

Originally posted by uquipu

 People who are burnt out on WoW won't relieve their burnout by playing another MMO or video game for that matter.

You need a radical change to relieve burnout, like real life golf or bowling.

 

THIS! I got burnt out on WoW, quit, looked at EQ2 and LotRO, despised them. Quit MMOs all together. Got involved with the community, my son's marching band. Came back looked at EQ2, LotRO, loved them a lot more after 6 months of no-MMOs. What will destroy WoW won't be another huge-budget game catering to everyone, it will be real-life.

On the topic of the thread: WoW haters hate for simple reasons, maybe they feel cheated after quitting, maybe they are insecure about what they're playing right now, maybe they are teens with too much angst, you probably won't ever know, unless you can somehow read minds... GL :)

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by jdream

seriously, I think when ppl not good at something

they'll hate it and said it was suck, carebear or very easy

when they never prove that they are good at it

 

Lol, I was very good at playing a challenging game..(EQ)  So your saying a player like me who dislikes wow,, sucked on an easier game?  I think not friend!

No need to defend your opinion. People do tend to enjoy activities they excel at, to excel at something and dislike it isn't as common as the other.

Originally posted by jph12

Its the biggest MMORPG ever made, most popular, highest earning, and by far the most dominant. It'll be a long time before an MMORPG overpowers WoW, and with the new graphical update with Cataclysm, add a few more years onto that. The Lore of WoW also makes the limit of expansions quite high indeed. Why would Blizzard stop making a game that makes them billions? Only when WoW becomes very unpopular will that "crime" be dealt. So basically, I'm wondering why that with everyone thread posted, someone comes along and insults WoW. With 13 million active members, all paying £10 per month, it can't be that bad a game, can it? So why dis it as frequent as people do?

Thanks!

The heaviest played games in the world right now are the FARMING games,they literally blow the doors off of WOW,are you going to tell me they are good games?They are not as good as even ancient 8 bit NES games,but they are the hot trend so people FOLLOW the trend.This is all a part of other hot trends like Facebook/Twitter the IPhone,all meaningless pieces of gimmick,but it is a hot trend ,everyone wants in.

If you look at all the top hyped games ,even single player games like Dragon Age for example,they are all the top hyped games,the ones you had shoved in your face everyday on every website.You kn ow how these games get hyped up ?These are the larger developers/publishers,they PAY marketing sites to hype up their game by claiming the game will be the "next" killer game.Then they also post top 10 charts that will show their games as top sellers even though there is NEVER any proof provided to even post these charts.

Maybe the BIGGEST factor of all to show how weak a game WOW is,is look no further than what the players are playing WOW for?When you enjoy speed leveling through a game,that is a no brainer that you do not enjoy the game one bit,you can't wait to get past the entire game.With WOW it is NEVER about the "game"it is always end game and Raiding,pretty much a side show that is the real game.

If WOW had put all the best TIER gear in crafting ,i wonder how many people would even bother with Raiding?If Blizzard removed add-ons and RMT from the game,would they even have 3 million users?I highly doubt it.

Many people have summed it up quite clearly and i have also said the same thing,WOW will be over taken when Blizzard hypes up their next big game.The crowd will blindly follow no matter what,because they want in on the next hyped up trend.

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by jdream

seriously, I think when ppl not good at something

they'll hate it and said it was suck, carebear or very easy

when they never prove that they are good at it

 

Lol, I was very good at playing a challenging game..(EQ)  So your saying a player like me who dislikes wow,, sucked on an easier game?  I think not friend!

So true. I used to meet people from WoW on EQ and it was surprising how "Good" they were at mmorpgs. E.g. :

Clerics - Why do I have so many heal spells ?

Wars - Hey, stop attacking so I can get aggro (to a rng) !

Rng - I need my pet for dps, why don't I have a pet ?

Enc - No ! I'm going to mez the other mob cos it's closer ! (this to a guild leader in a raid).

Seriously, the example from the War above was hilarious. It got to the point where the entire group had to stop attacking and the War still lost aggro to the Clr healing him. We all sorta had 'accidental' LDs after that.

Originally posted by Josher

So the Beatles, Elvis, Michael Jackson and the Rolling Stones all tremendously successful artists financially and critically sucked because they were popular=)  

Remember... WOW has more subs, more fans, has influenced more games, and has the highest critical praise of any MMO developed.  Its not JUST popularity folks.  Its everything.  If that translates to SUCK, then nothing matters at all.  How can a game with less players, less appeal, and average critical praise translate to AWESOME ?   Becasue some nerds on a forum said so, hehe.  Financial statements and critical praise mean EVERYTHING.  If the game sells well, the public loves it.  If its reviewed well, the press loves it.  If other MMOs have to adapt  just to compete against it, professionals understand its merits.  What more is there to say?  MMO developers never started changing their games to compete against Eve, EQ2 or Darkfall.  Developers copy whats perceived as the best.  For MOST people WOW is the best, because MOST people choose to play it.  Facts are facts. 

A couple of nerds on a forum means nothing.  NUMBERS mean everything when it comes to measuring success.  Not liking a game is one thing.  WOW has already proved its a great MMO.  Bad games simply don't accomplish what WOW has.  Bad for some people YES, but bad overall?  Facts are facts.

Its really simple.  WOuld you stand in the middle of a room with 1000 professional game developers if you're trying to get a job and scream WOW SUCKS? Do you think  you'd be hired by anyone?  Do you think you'd have credibility?  Not a shred.

You know all the artist you named were mainstream? and i'll compare Michael Jackson with WoW ... His early songs were good but later.. they were bad but MJ was still popular because of his Die hard fans. Then he was overrated and proclaimed King of Pop only because of his earliest songs... So more fans come in and claim him the best..

His fans buy his new CDs(Expansion) even tho it was just another compilation of his best albums, Over and over...

And then he rape Little boys(Sandbox gamers)

Originally posted by jph12

Its the biggest MMORPG ever made, most popular, highest earning, and by far the most dominant. It'll be a long time before an MMORPG overpowers WoW, and with the new graphical update with Cataclysm, add a few more years onto that. The Lore of WoW also makes the limit of expansions quite high indeed. Why would Blizzard stop making a game that makes them billions? Only when WoW becomes very unpopular will that "crime" be dealt. So basically, I'm wondering why that with everyone thread posted, someone comes along and insults WoW. With 13 million active members, all paying £10 per month, it can't be that bad a game, can it? So why dis it as frequent as people do?

Thanks!

Its a game. Some people like it, some people don't. How much it makes and how many people play it has nothing to do with if the game is good to you or not.

From a technical standpoint, World of Warcraft is very solid. They have some good coders or something cause their games have always had fewer bugs then most that i've played for the PC.

I am sure there is more then enough evidence as to why people say bad things about World of Warcraft in this thread. How many or how few people play it is not one of those factors. (At least i hope not, hating a game cause its popular is as bad as loving it cause its popular.)

Originally posted by Azareal

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by jdream

seriously, I think when ppl not good at something

they'll hate it and said it was suck, carebear or very easy

when they never prove that they are good at it

 

Lol, I was very good at playing a challenging game..(EQ)  So your saying a player like me who dislikes wow,, sucked on an easier game?  I think not friend!

So true. I used to meet people from WoW on EQ and it was surprising how "Good" they were at mmorpgs. E.g. :

Clerics - Why do I have so many heal spells ?

Wars - Hey, stop attacking so I can get aggro (to a rng) !

Rng - I need my pet for dps, why don't I have a pet ?

Enc - No ! I'm going to mez the other mob cos it's closer ! (this to a guild leader in a raid).

Seriously, the example from the War above was hilarious. It got to the point where the entire group had to stop attacking and the War still lost aggro to the Clr healing him. We all sorta had 'accidental' LDs after that.

That's why I always made my groups.. and I usually went with a paladin or a shadow knight for my tank. Bard puller, Enchanter as CC, and either Beastlord for SD or Necro for their mana taps and a Cleric. Oh.. and I played a Wizard and I was mighty back in the day. Nostalgia for a second.. For the life of me, I don't remember the raid i was in.. but I was fully buffed and we was 2% away from doing this boss for our first time. I was the only dps left along with the MT, and ST as well as a Cleric and a Druid. I casted Ether Flame.. crit that son of a sob for 36k even! Wiped the group because I pulled aggro.. was spamming Concussion like a mad man...killed the cleric and druid and it was over. The Cleric said.. if you would of crit for 400 more. we would of down him! Oh man what a fail.. damn you dice rolls!

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by Azareal

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by jdream

seriously, I think when ppl not good at something

they'll hate it and said it was suck, carebear or very easy

when they never prove that they are good at it

 

Lol, I was very good at playing a challenging game..(EQ)  So your saying a player like me who dislikes wow,, sucked on an easier game?  I think not friend!

So true. I used to meet people from WoW on EQ and it was surprising how "Good" they were at mmorpgs. E.g. :

Clerics - Why do I have so many heal spells ?

Wars - Hey, stop attacking so I can get aggro (to a rng) !

Rng - I need my pet for dps, why don't I have a pet ?

Enc - No ! I'm going to mez the other mob cos it's closer ! (this to a guild leader in a raid).

Seriously, the example from the War above was hilarious. It got to the point where the entire group had to stop attacking and the War still lost aggro to the Clr healing him. We all sorta had 'accidental' LDs after that.

That's why I always made my groups.. and I usually went with a paladin or a shadow knight for my tank. Bard puller, Enchanter as CC, and either Beastlord for SD or Necro for their mana taps and a Cleric. Oh.. and I played a Wizard and I was mighty back in the day. Nostalgia for a second.. For the life of me, I don't remember the raid i was in.. but I was fully buffed and we was 2% away from doing this boss for our first time. I was the only dps left along with the MT, and ST as well as a Cleric and a Druid. I casted Ether Flame.. crit that son of a sob for 36k even! Wiped the group because I pulled aggro.. was spamming Concussion like a mad man...killed the cleric and druid and it was over. The Cleric said.. if you would of crit for 400 more. we would of down him! Oh man what a fail.. damn you dice rolls!

Lol, to derail this thread a bit. I had Wizzy friends who hated playing wizards, not because they thought it was a weak class or anything like that but because "C'mon man, let me nuke already man ! c'mon already !" Sigh, Wiz - class with the hardest nukes and always have to wait to let it go. Very frustrating I can only assume.

Originally posted by Azareal

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by Azareal

Originally posted by Eronakis

Originally posted by jdream

seriously, I think when ppl not good at something

they'll hate it and said it was suck, carebear or very easy

when they never prove that they are good at it

 

Lol, I was very good at playing a challenging game..(EQ)  So your saying a player like me who dislikes wow,, sucked on an easier game?  I think not friend!

So true. I used to meet people from WoW on EQ and it was surprising how "Good" they were at mmorpgs. E.g. :

Clerics - Why do I have so many heal spells ?

Wars - Hey, stop attacking so I can get aggro (to a rng) !

Rng - I need my pet for dps, why don't I have a pet ?

Enc - No ! I'm going to mez the other mob cos it's closer ! (this to a guild leader in a raid).

Seriously, the example from the War above was hilarious. It got to the point where the entire group had to stop attacking and the War still lost aggro to the Clr healing him. We all sorta had 'accidental' LDs after that.

That's why I always made my groups.. and I usually went with a paladin or a shadow knight for my tank. Bard puller, Enchanter as CC, and either Beastlord for SD or Necro for their mana taps and a Cleric. Oh.. and I played a Wizard and I was mighty back in the day. Nostalgia for a second.. For the life of me, I don't remember the raid i was in.. but I was fully buffed and we was 2% away from doing this boss for our first time. I was the only dps left along with the MT, and ST as well as a Cleric and a Druid. I casted Ether Flame.. crit that son of a sob for 36k even! Wiped the group because I pulled aggro.. was spamming Concussion like a mad man...killed the cleric and druid and it was over. The Cleric said.. if you would of crit for 400 more. we would of down him! Oh man what a fail.. damn you dice rolls!

Lol, to derail this thread a bit. I had Wizzy friends who hated playing wizards, not because they thought it was a weak class or anything like that but because "C'mon man, let me nuke already man ! c'mon already !" Sigh, Wiz - class with the hardest nukes and always have to wait to let it go. Very frustrating I can only assume.

Speaking of Everquest Wizards...

We had a 4 wizard 1 cleric group that would sit at those wizard portal stones waiting for people to pop in. Cleric would blind the mark so they couldn't bag the gear, and  us wizards would drop bombs on the target the Cleric called out. We'd kill anyone that stood around long enough for us to get the cast off, and let those that got away live.

We got some really nice stuff off people. Things that probably took people weeks, if not months to farm.

Wizards were glorious.

We also ran a SK group to loot people with. Its amazing how fast someone dies when hit by 5 HTs.

Reason i thought of it was because you didn't have to worry about agro when killing someone. Made playing a Wizard so much more fun.

Good times.

The majority of WoW haters are ex-players, but they have burn out, they loved the game but could not control their play and burned out, they will never admit it was their fault and so will blame WoW.  Its sad really. 

Maybe we should set up a charity to help those who burn out on MMO's to adjust back to normality?