Basically I was thinking about picking up Runes of Magic as a secondary mmo..

I enjoy PVP but I hear you need to spend alot of money in the cashshops to be able to compete..

Originally posted by raystantz

Basically I was thinking about picking up Runes of Magic as a secondary mmo..

 

I enjoy PVP but I hear you need to spend alot of money in the cashshops to be able to compete..

PVP is an EPIC fail no matter what game you play and yes it will be here also.You can do a ton of work and get some bonuses onto your gear but the main factor is the cash shop.Using the cash shop you can vault all your gear to a +6 status and considering every item you can wear,that really adds up.

I could see this game making a ton from the item mall in a PVP game,otherwise it is really not needed on the PVE servers.

I guess if you wander in groups and they have the full +6 boosts,you might be able to tag along and enjoy the PVP.I would say that it is very possible to kill a full +6 player if you do it with 2 players,i would actually expect a win,the bonus would truly lopside a 1 on 1 battle for sure.

Ok i forgot to mention one other VERY big item shop bonus.you can purchase something that will save you from death on the first time,it fully gives back your HP,so basically you get 2 deaths.So ya the tiem shop is VERY dependant and would totally ruiin the game.I don't think any of what i have said is a surprise,rememeber i have always said PVP is a joke,it is full of loopholes in every game,it is on a VERY rare occasion,skillful and fair.

Well that's not true about ALL PvP. Team Fortress 2 has it down pretty well. I've yet to see an MMO with that kind of balance, however...

You dont have to do anythign with cash shop if you liek to work for what you have

For me i found a way in the game to make alot of gold in a legit way then buy diamonds off ah then use the shop for whatever reason andi never had to put money into the game.

there is a few backlashes tho, there is a small group of players who have the most gold 40-50 million each and alwasy boost the prices of items for theier own sake but you have that in every game.

i played rom in closed beta and quit after releease nwo i have been back for 3 week i am lvl 50/30 and things are goign well

Originally posted by Ashkael

Well that's not true about ALL PvP. Team Fortress 2 has it down pretty well. I've yet to see an MMO with that kind of balance, however...

Games like Team Fortress 2 require 99% skill

Originally posted by Ashkael

Well that's not true about ALL PvP. Team Fortress 2 has it down pretty well. I've yet to see an MMO with that kind of balance, however...

Well i meant MMO PVP of course,i have stated this many times in the past.I have played UT for years and it is the best PVP going,but still PVP in a FPS setup still relies on PC ,ini tweaks,and lag/latency.

Even when PVP was done on a LAN,it still favoured one type of player,and that is the guy who played many lans and was used to zero lag and could setup his game solely for a LAN setup.Other players who were used to lag playing,would not be able to adjust to a LAN in a tournament soon enough to be able to compete against LAN veterans,so there will always be variances that keep a game from being fair. in PVP.

Now if you added an item shop to even the best PVP game,it would again be rolled back to junk status.

I have upgrade a few items on my mage class and none on my knight class. I am currently 30/30, I enjoy PVPing every chance I get. You will run into the "Twink" players that are lvl 25 or 30 with 4k health and that's what the item shop gets you. However you do not have to buy items to be able to PVP and be ok at it. I have been able to get light blue status (+30 rep) without having any upgraded items. The main reason I did it was to see how much of an impact it makes. And yes, it does make a decent impact on your stats.

Like I said - you do not have to buy anything to be able to be good at PVP, if you want to be elite than you will have to buy items. My plan is to upgrade my level 50/50 items that I seal. I read that to get a near 100% success rate at upgrading you should use the tools from the ruby shop, you get rubies by spending diamonds. There is 1 item that gives you 1 ruby per 2 diamonds (can't remember the name) but that seems like the most efficent way to upgrade your gear. Also wait for things to go on sale, no need to rush.

been in that game and yes if you dont have cash items your a walking dead lol, im a level 50rogue/knight 50/50 and someone just killed me and his level was like 30/40

Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by Ashkael

Well that's not true about ALL PvP. Team Fortress 2 has it down pretty well. I've yet to see an MMO with that kind of balance, however...

Well i meant MMO PVP of course,i have stated this many times in the past.I have played UT for years and it is the best PVP going,but still PVP in a FPS setup still relies on PC ,ini tweaks,and lag/latency.

Even when PVP was done on a LAN,it still favoured one type of player,and that is the guy who played many lans and was used to zero lag and could setup his game solely for a LAN setup.Other players who were used to lag playing,would not be able to adjust to a LAN in a tournament soon enough to be able to compete against LAN veterans,so there will always be variances that keep a game from being fair. in PVP.

Now if you added an item shop to even the best PVP game,it would again be rolled back to junk status.

I have to agree with you on MMO PvP.  As long as there are crutches like gear and levels, PvP is a joke.  The only MMO I can think of that did PvP right is Planetside, but it has none of the crutches and it's an MMOFPS, not an MMORPG.

well RoM is not cash shop dependent at all... there are other ways to receive currency in the game - there's the auction house where you exchange between gold and diamonds - that's very beneficial... you can sell rare items for large amount of gold - then use the gold to trade for diamonds - and there's crafting, making items and sell them to the AH - i think if you do have the money it's cash shop definitely but if you don't want to spend anything but just play the game it's Auction House

It is very cash shop dependant. That is if you want to stick with the game. If you just want to have fun for a short while, it is free. Basically this game is quite different between two kinds of playstyles.

- Play some, get barely if ever to 50, move on. Great fun, no real need to use cash shop. You will die to random elites and find instances overtuned and have no clue why (no CS, doh) but no biggie. RoM lets you basically replay WoW levelling and is almost on-par. Spending is entirely optional.

- Play for keeps, optimize character, stick to the game. If you read forums like this you are probabably this kind of player. Bad ballance, too heavy on cash shop, glaring issues everywhere (PvP, AH, craft.. you name it). Spending money or slaving away a lot is needed to take part - and in the end not worth it.

As a sidenote, MMOs can have good PVP. GW had it, Atlantica has it (and is cash shop game to boot), ofc EvE has it but it is completely different from anything most know or expect. Those games are build with PvP in mind.

I've played the game for quite a while. Had to take a few months off but I have played it since closed beta and I must say it is one of the best Free to play games there is. You do not need to buy diamonds and spend money on cash shop to enjoy the game or get to lvl 50 etc. You can sit around play and have fun if you get a good guild things are even better. As for the diamond thing if you actually read the emails you get from frogster they offer free diamonds from time to time, I just got some like a few months ago before I had to take a break from the game for health reasons. I bought what I wanted form cash shop which was just a thing for I could change the look of my item and then sold the diamonds in the auction house. It is possible to use the cash shop without spending cash unlike other MMOs that have a item shop basis. Yes diamonds are expensive but you can make a crafter and craft all kinds of crap and use the money you make to buy diamonds at AH to use at cash shop. I just spend over 100k at the auction house, and still have like 100k left and my char isn't even a crafter. So making gold isn't hard and if you turn gold into diamonds via AH you can have your cake and eat it too so to speak. When I sold my diamonds that I had left from the freebies I sold them for around 18k each.  I was thinking of buying some more diamonds though cause I actually saw something i wanted on the cash shop, don't need just want,. Anyways it is WoW like when it comes to graphics engine but it is free. There are also aspects to the game that WoW does not have, such as the dual class system. The only thing I do not like about the dual class system it is just that you can only have two classes, I was hoping it would of been like the job system of FFXI but hey nothings perfect. The guild vs guild things are also quite fun, when a guild gets enough resources they get a castle etc...  very interesting and fun. Anyways I hope my review helps.

God Bless,

Dustin

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So for a non pvp server player, how important is the cash shop? If I just wanted to do pve 1-50, would I still have to spend £££££ in the cash shop?

I haven't yet and I know people who have gotten to 55/55 without spending a dime

Originally posted by jimsmith08

So for a non pvp server player, how important is the cash shop? If I just wanted to do pve 1-50, would I still have to spend £££££ in the cash shop?

No, you don't.  If you have lots of free time you'll be able to earn enough gold to trade it for diamonds and upgrade your gear to a more than reasonable level that will let you do any of the PVE content.

Its only when you get into the hardcore pvp when it really starts to matter.

VERY Cash shop dependent.((% of the game is designed around the cash shop.

It is amazing how many players i have seen in the game,that really do not even know how to play the game.It seems the majority just login and think ,yay i gained a level ,that means I'm playing the game...not.

I have seen tons of players die in my groups just because they have such low hit points.You do not need cash shop to give yourself reasonable hit points,but the majority do not even understand how to do it.

W/o cash shop you can attain +2 on your gear/weapons,ok no biggie not the greatest.However for just game gold,you can tier up all your gear and your weapon.Other than a mage who has no choice and has to use cloth,other classes can choose gear that helps them.

You do not have to stick to the gear your player is designed to wear,you can mix and match to attain STAMINA.6 items with +2 would give you decent stamina and decent hit points to survive.

Earrings give outright bonus to hit points when you level them up from +1>+6.Even at +2 on two earrings can help.It makes for one boring party and useless and time consuming party if members are dying because they showed no effort to attain more hit points.Why you would show no effort when the death penalty is so high in this game,is beyond me.Takes less time to fix your gear than it does to die and have to waste your time to get the loss back.

Tiers is the biggie,that i do not see players using.I can only assume they do not know how.Ok no biggie,what good is all these guilds people are joining if they don't teach you anything on how to play the game?Giving armour a higher tier is not hard and takes not a whole lot of gold,but it will make your player more versatile,stronger and more viable,best of all better survivability.

This is all just to player normal boss/elites.To battle the end game bosses and the hardcore bosses ,you need cash shop gear.By that i mean gear maxxed out on stats you need,using Fusion stones,especially STAMINA because that gives you the HP's to survive one shots.

Originally posted by Sixpax

Originally posted by Wizardry

Originally posted by Ashkael

Well that's not true about ALL PvP. Team Fortress 2 has it down pretty well. I've yet to see an MMO with that kind of balance, however...

Well i meant MMO PVP of course,i have stated this many times in the past.I have played UT for years and it is the best PVP going,but still PVP in a FPS setup still relies on PC ,ini tweaks,and lag/latency.

Even when PVP was done on a LAN,it still favoured one type of player,and that is the guy who played many lans and was used to zero lag and could setup his game solely for a LAN setup.Other players who were used to lag playing,would not be able to adjust to a LAN in a tournament soon enough to be able to compete against LAN veterans,so there will always be variances that keep a game from being fair. in PVP.

Now if you added an item shop to even the best PVP game,it would again be rolled back to junk status.

 

I have to agree with you on MMO PvP.  As long as there are crutches like gear and levels, PvP is a joke.  The only MMO I can think of that did PvP right is Planetside, but it has none of the crutches and it's an MMOFPS, not an MMORPG.

The thing is, those levels and gear are a large part of what distinguishes an MMO from a FPS.
 

Stop trying to make MMO's something they are not and play the games that already have what you are looking for.

there are players who have close to top gear without spending a dime. the question is if you want to pay the price in time and grind to do just that because this game eats heaps of time whether you pay or not. despite of that  there's more than one way to create yourself an 'income' in game and a good pair of brains does help too.

 the way the game is heading for months on end since the release is a composition of marketing tricks including more grind against ridiculous odds to try to push you to the cash shop or buy diamonds to trade for the stuff you need in game while the game engine inevitably gets repetitive on a pve server. on a pvp server the cash shop is an infinite amount of times more important though: it's a truely gear based game while the characters are still imbalanced against eachother no matter what kind of server you play on. not that the cash shop provides gear against cash, there's a whole scala of customisation available in game and it will determine your success even more than your character on its own. you character choice will determine a lot of your possibilities though.

i've played since december while it was the beginning of open beta and the greedy marketing tricks i see everywhere is one of the main reasons why i quit the game today. i had fun at times but at some point i had seen it all and seen too much of a business model i don't like. make no mistake though: it is a free to play game because it offers a chance to play for free and still have it all, that alone makes it pretty unique.

i'm sorry to leave my clan, though the free players appreciated what i had left to give to them because as said it takes a lot of time to get the good and the cash shop stuff. i've seen most players i knew leave sooner though, especially casual players. it does not hurt to try but a small 'warning': eventually ROM is a game for hardcore players once you reach the high levels and personally i just don't see the point in that anymore, others might be looking for that or find their own alternative purpose in game.  it's a mmorpg after all.

There's a fine line between players who have and don't have time to get rare-in game items in RoM.  Usually players who don't have time will buy items from the cash shop, but players who have all the time in the world will get a lot of gold and trade for diamonds in the AH and then "purchase" items from the cash shop! so what i'm trying to say is that you can get all the items in RoM without using real money in the cash shop... you just need to be efficient with your game plan like crafting and definitely using the AH

Originally posted by raystantz

Basically I was thinking about picking up Runes of Magic as a secondary mmo..

 

I enjoy PVP but I hear you need to spend alot of money in the cashshops to be able to compete..

if anybody think of asking this title question ,the answer is its too reliant on cash store

but if you dont think about this then this game is fine even without too much store bying