Originally posted by abentwookie

Yes, the screenshots are full of crap too right? ;) And you make your motivations so obvious with every post. Let me guess, you're going to apply to be a GameSage for wolfteam or domo right? No I don't know if the other aeria games are as corrupt as Last Chaos but I know that corruption spreads and when it exists in one part of a company, there is a good chance its elsewhere as well.

I wouldn't become a GS to save my life. I have a hard enough time dealing with the community as a player. Sheesh. Don't wanna make it my job to deal with them.

Originally posted by johnmatthais

Originally posted by vmontgomery

Just because the WolfTeam GM's and GS's are doing a good job doesn't mean she is full of crap where Last Chaos GM's and GS's are concerned. And I would have to say you're quite ridiculous for making such a statement. This isn't about WolfTeam, DOMO, 12Sky, etc.. it's about the product manager for Last Chaos, the GM's and GS's of Last Chaos. So, because you play a game where the GM's are decent, that must make wookie full of crap because she says the GM's of LC are corrupt? Uhhh bad logic much?

No. It's about her hating Aeria for firing her friend and putting in a bad Product Manager. It doesn't just have to do with the game anymore. If it did, I wouldn't have said anything.

lol Yeah, John has some pretty messed up logic when he's trying to desperately defend aeria.

Originally posted by johnmatthais

Originally posted by vmontgomery

Just because the WolfTeam GM's and GS's are doing a good job doesn't mean she is full of crap where Last Chaos GM's and GS's are concerned. And I would have to say you're quite ridiculous for making such a statement. This isn't about WolfTeam, DOMO, 12Sky, etc.. it's about the product manager for Last Chaos, the GM's and GS's of Last Chaos. So, because you play a game where the GM's are decent, that must make wookie full of crap because she says the GM's of LC are corrupt? Uhhh bad logic much?

No. It's about her hating Aeria for firing her friend and putting in a bad Product Manager. It doesn't just have to do with the game anymore. If it did, I wouldn't have said anything.

What he said + forum PvP.

@Denshing - I totally agree with you man, and had she gone about this more thoughtfully, I may have felt like some advice was worth giving, however, with the way she's gone about things... It's totally and completely useless.

Basically it's a matter of time before this thread gets locked because it's definitely a highlight of tonight's evening on mmorpg.com that's for sure.

Originally posted by twiggy550

Originally posted by EricDanie

Welcome to the F2P genre.

Chances are even the Product Manager has fallen into selfishness if you all were truly all doing fine before he took over and everything started.

Chain of command in these companies that have nothing to do with development and are simply with a license to take some Asian game and make money out of it over here in the West is pretty weak, all they must not do is not let the development company know about it and feel they are being violated, that is if they care at all, as they have their own main servers in Asia that makes the majority of profit for them and they have 100% control and attention over, pretty different from the reality over here. It's just making extra bucks for them and doesn't affect their main servers.

Like in real world, you'll have the center/main areas that get all the government heads attention and the distant areas with different leaderships that no one cares about what they do or how they do it as it will never truly impact the center. People simply won't give a damn because in their visions it's all fine - they're not the ones suffering neither they have time to care.

That's also the reason you'll have to work hard to get attention from the people that did not experience this, basic rule dictates they won't care. I simply don't care about Aeria, I already experienced another MMO company that didn't start bad, but eventually took the F2P route and started doing mass F2P Asian game re-releasing, quality be damned. People QQ about NCSoft, Blizzard, Turbine and Mythic but that's good... they have seen nothing.

 

Out of curiosity, what was that game? I don't think you're talking about DDO and Turbine, right?

Hmm? I highlighted Turbine as one of the can't-be-that-bad companies (because we experience their main servers where the development team work focuses on, which also means it's where their revenue mostly comes from), so nope. I have no idea how DDO is doing after the F2P change though, at least they have LOTRO.

The game was RF Online.

Originally posted by EricDanie

Hmm? I highlighted Turbine as one of the can't-be-that-bad companies (because we experience their main servers where the development team work focuses on), so nope. I have no idea how DDO is doing after the F2P change though, at least they have LOTRO.

The game was RF Online.

Oh god, I remember that. Shame too. I bought the game like 4 months before the P2P servers shut down.

Originally posted by abentwookie

lol Yeah, John has some pretty messed up logic when he's trying to desperately defend aeria.

All I'm trying to do is save you from thinking for the rest of your life that going about things this way is useful at all.

Everyone is so skeptical of the OP... where were you guys when OJ's jury found him innocent. LOL

Originally posted by denshing

Originally posted by cl0ver

/pringles.

 

You guys are the biggest hypocrites.  Embarking on a useless crusade to berate the OP on how useless her useless crusade is.   wow

 

It IS useless, but it wouldn't have been if she went about it a better way. Bashing and complaining only resulted in her getting the boot, and losing all influence from aeria. If she wanted to correct the problems going between the GM and aeria company.

She would have bypassed all of small fish in Aeria, and sent a formal letter of complaint to the CEO of the company adressessing this huge slipups by a company member, which could result in the GM being rehired, and the jerkoff who screwed him over getting fired instead.

Seriously, the best way to get something resolved is by keeping respect and influence by not self destructing. That way, you have better odds of them taking something you say seriously. Obviously the lower management of Aeria games is corrupt. That's true, and guess what, the CEO would LOVE, LOVE LOVE, to know just "WHO" is corrupt, so he can fire his ass.

Went about it the wrong way, and in the end, she hurt all chances of helping him.

Well that is a great plan but there is a small problem.  Krash won't go back to Aeria even if they offered him Ksilent's job. That was why I went this route. But I am sending the proof of KSilent's corruption to the guy in charge anyway. Hopefully he will take action.

Originally posted by denshing

Originally posted by cl0ver

/pringles.

 

You guys are the biggest hypocrites.  Embarking on a useless crusade to berate the OP on how useless her useless crusade is.   wow

 

It IS useless, but it wouldn't have been if she went about it a better way. Bashing and complaining only resulted in her getting the boot, and losing all influence from aeria. If she wanted to correct the problems going between the GM and aeria company.

She would have bypassed all of small fish in Aeria, and sent a formal letter of complaint to the CEO of the company adressessing this huge slipups by a company member, which could result in the GM being rehired, and the jerkoff who screwed him over getting fired instead.

Seriously, the best way to get something resolved is by keeping respect and influence by not self destructing. That way, you have better odds of them taking something you say seriously. Obviously the lower management of Aeria games is corrupt. That's true, and guess what, the CEO would LOVE, LOVE LOVE, to know just "WHO" is corrupt, so he can fire his ass.

Went about it the wrong way, and in the end, she hurt all chances of helping him.

lol what?  Send the CEO a private letter? WHAT friggin dream world do you smoke in the morning?  

The only likely course of action is to speak out on mmo forums.  

Originally posted by hidden1

Everyone is so skeptical of the OP... where were you guys when OJ's jury found him innocent. LOL

Lmao, I know right? I didn't even know it happened until it was over.

Originally posted by EricDanie

Originally posted by twiggy550

Originally posted by EricDanie

Welcome to the F2P genre.

Chances are even the Product Manager has fallen into selfishness if you all were truly all doing fine before he took over and everything started.

Chain of command in these companies that have nothing to do with development and are simply with a license to take some Asian game and make money out of it over here in the West is pretty weak, all they must not do is not let the development company know about it and feel they are being violated, that is if they care at all, as they have their own main servers in Asia that makes the majority of profit for them and they have 100% control and attention over, pretty different from the reality over here. It's just making extra bucks for them and doesn't affect their main servers.

Like in real world, you'll have the center/main areas that get all the government heads attention and the distant areas with different leaderships that no one cares about what they do or how they do it as it will never truly impact the center. People simply won't give a damn because in their visions it's all fine - they're not the ones suffering neither they have time to care.

That's also the reason you'll have to work hard to get attention from the people that did not experience this, basic rule dictates they won't care. I simply don't care about Aeria, I already experienced another MMO company that didn't start bad, but eventually took the F2P route and started doing mass F2P Asian game re-releasing, quality be damned. People QQ about NCSoft, Blizzard, Turbine and Mythic but that's good... they have seen nothing.

 

Out of curiosity, what was that game? I don't think you're talking about DDO and Turbine, right?

Hmm? I highlighted Turbine as one of the can't-be-that-bad companies (because we experience their main servers where the development team work focuses on), so nope. I have no idea how DDO is doing after the F2P change though, at least they have LOTRO.

The game was RF Online.

 

Ohhhhhh! Hey! I totally loved that game. However I didn't play it when it was P2P and nor when it was F2P. At the time I was really glad I spent my time on a private server, definitely a good community on the private server for that game. I really wished they'd revamped the game, added more shit and had WASD as a basic function of movement and what not, but now that game is officially dead with the whole F2P counterpart so bleh. It was somewhat fun while it lasted

Originally posted by johnmatthais

Originally posted by abentwookie

lol Yeah, John has some pretty messed up logic when he's trying to desperately defend aeria.

All I'm trying to do is save you from thinking for the rest of your life that going about things this way is useful at all.

She fails to see how she acted objectively. She understands that she is a hothead and very assertive in her negative opinions, yet she naturally fails to find better methods of fixing the problem, in fact, complaining like this only puts any progress and influence she had as a Gamsage into fast reverse.

I understand why she is upset and can sympathize ive been in the exact same situations, but the way she is acting is litteraly the reason that the popular term "Digging your own grave" exists.

The funny thing is I think a couple of you (like twiggy and john) purposely tried to get people to flame each other in this thread to try to get it locked. If that's true, then you guys truly are desperate to defend Aeria. But hey, you won't be able to get my threads locked everywhere I post so in the end, you fail. :)

Originally posted by hidden1

Everyone is so skeptical of the OP... where were you guys when OJ's jury found him innocent. LOL

The evidence is on my side so it doesn't matter to me. Its kinda weird though. Certain people want to dismiss my arguments even when I post evidence. Superman comes on, doesn't post any evidence at all and ignores my questions when I ask, but I don't see them being skeptical about him.

Doesn't make much sense.

Originally posted by johnmatthais

Originally posted by abentwookie

lol Yeah, John has some pretty messed up logic when he's trying to desperately defend aeria.

All I'm trying to do is save you from thinking for the rest of your life that going about things this way is useful at all.

aww see he's not a paid shill he just thinks he's superman swooping in to save you....hmmm the guy we know is a shill goes by superman...

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Originally posted by denshing
yet she naturally fails to find better methods of fixing the problem, in fact, complaining like this only puts any progress and influence she had as a Gamsage into fast reverse.

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Which methods would you be refering to? Because nothing else works with Aeria. As for as my influence as a GameSage, go ask the community if they agree with that statement. :) COme on guys, I've challenged you endless times to go ask the players on LC about these things but you don't seem to be in a hurry to do that. Gee, I wonder why. lol

Originally posted by twiggy550

Originally posted by EricDanie

Originally posted by twiggy550

Originally posted by EricDanie

Welcome to the F2P genre.

Chances are even the Product Manager has fallen into selfishness if you all were truly all doing fine before he took over and everything started.

Chain of command in these companies that have nothing to do with development and are simply with a license to take some Asian game and make money out of it over here in the West is pretty weak, all they must not do is not let the development company know about it and feel they are being violated, that is if they care at all, as they have their own main servers in Asia that makes the majority of profit for them and they have 100% control and attention over, pretty different from the reality over here. It's just making extra bucks for them and doesn't affect their main servers.

Like in real world, you'll have the center/main areas that get all the government heads attention and the distant areas with different leaderships that no one cares about what they do or how they do it as it will never truly impact the center. People simply won't give a damn because in their visions it's all fine - they're not the ones suffering neither they have time to care.

That's also the reason you'll have to work hard to get attention from the people that did not experience this, basic rule dictates they won't care. I simply don't care about Aeria, I already experienced another MMO company that didn't start bad, but eventually took the F2P route and started doing mass F2P Asian game re-releasing, quality be damned. People QQ about NCSoft, Blizzard, Turbine and Mythic but that's good... they have seen nothing.

 

Out of curiosity, what was that game? I don't think you're talking about DDO and Turbine, right?

Hmm? I highlighted Turbine as one of the can't-be-that-bad companies (because we experience their main servers where the development team work focuses on), so nope. I have no idea how DDO is doing after the F2P change though, at least they have LOTRO.

The game was RF Online.

 

 

Ohhhhhh! Hey! I totally loved that game. However I didn't play it when it was P2P and nor when it was F2P. At the time I was really glad I spent my time on a private server, definitely a good community on the private server for that game. I really wished they'd revamped the game, added more shit and had WASD as a basic function of movement and what not, but now that game is officially dead with the whole F2P counterpart so bleh. It was somewhat fun while it lasted

Yeah, sometimes I wish they would just go and shut down the game (I check whatever's left of the community once in a while), F2P games sometimes feel like some game version with a financial success based on a pact with a devil, especially when they were P2P at some point :P

Spent some years on it, tried (and still try) very hard to try and accept the F2P version and enjoy the game, but never works for long, heh.

Originally posted by abentwookie

 

The funny thing is I think a couple of you (like twiggy and john) purposely tried to get people to flame each other in this thread to try to get it locked. If that's true, then you guys truly are desperate to defend Aeria. But hey, you won't be able to get my threads locked everywhere I post so in the end, you fail. :)

Originally posted by hidden1

Everyone is so skeptical of the OP... where were you guys when OJ's jury found him innocent. LOL

 

The evidence is on my side so it doesn't matter to me. Its kinda weird though. Certain people want to dismiss my arguments even when I post evidence. Superman comes on, doesn't post any evidence at all and ignores my questions when I ask, but I don't see them being skeptical about him.

Doesn't make much sense.

Err... I'm one of the few guys here on your side actually
 

So are you saying I'm trying to get it locked, just be adding some levity to this whole negatively charged thread?

Gee thanks

Originally posted by abentwookie

 

The funny thing is I think a couple of you (like twiggy and john) purposely tried to get people to flame each other in this thread to try to get it locked. If that's true, then you guys truly are desperate to defend Aeria. But hey, you won't be able to get my threads locked everywhere I post so in the end, you fail. :)

Originally posted by hidden1

Everyone is so skeptical of the OP... where were you guys when OJ's jury found him innocent. LOL

 

The evidence is on my side so it doesn't matter to me. Its kinda weird though. Certain people want to dismiss my arguments even when I post evidence. Superman comes on, doesn't post any evidence at all and ignores my questions when I ask, but I don't see them being skeptical about him.

Doesn't make much sense.

Nobody is doubting your evidence!! It's just that you've made all your evidence completely useless by ruining your influence and respect from aeria to be able to use it!! Nobody in aeria will take you serious anymore because you openly bashed the entire company instead of formally brining it up rather than causing so much trouble turmoil.

I wish it could have worked out better, but it's already to late to do anything about it...
 

Originally posted by abentwookie

 

The funny thing is I think a couple of you (like twiggy and john) purposely tried to get people to flame each other in this thread to try to get it locked. If that's true, then you guys truly are desperate to defend Aeria. But hey, you won't be able to get my threads locked everywhere I post so in the end, you fail. :)

Originally posted by hidden1

Everyone is so skeptical of the OP... where were you guys when OJ's jury found him innocent. LOL

 

The evidence is on my side so it doesn't matter to me. Its kinda weird though. Certain people want to dismiss my arguments even when I post evidence. Superman comes on, doesn't post any evidence at all and ignores my questions when I ask, but I don't see them being skeptical about him.

Doesn't make much sense.

I'm beginning to think this is all a ploy set up by abentwookie here. See, we all make a big deal out of LC and while she's "bsing" she's really using reverse psychology because she's still a GS for Aeria, you see? So making a big deal out of this was all apart of her plan to begin with to basically feed Aeria new potential customers, because now people are interested in Last Chaos, how it looks, how it plays, and shit, maybe they're interested in the community now.

By her calling everyone here a shill, she's trying to side with the customer but she's really still with Aeria because they're giving her free AP points and maybe even a couple more under the table for doing this for them.

It was no surprise when Superman showed up and made a post because he was obviously in on the act from the beginning, thus this entire thread is all about how abentwookie is truly the representative of Aeria here.

Mind = blown right?!

Again not true.   You guys really fail at things.  For her progress made as a gs to be somehow diminished or reversed, would imply that progress was made.   It would also imply that an indentured servant has some sorta say over his masters.  complete bullshit.

i play 40k tabletop.   when the latest chaos codex was released,  i was sent into a donald duck quackering nerd rage.  i dont give   a shit about this game or any f2, .  yet the arguing going on here makes zero sense. 

You would think that everyone here would be like me... sipping something or other totally mind fucked that someone captured email screenies, im screenies,  and possibly mothers maiden names to fuking nail a big wigs dick in the dirt.