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Originally posted by ViewDoo

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Originally posted by WeaponX

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What does it say about you??? You were willing to take AP to keep there little secret to yourself as all of the GS do.
Now that they ban you now you want to get all hoiler then now and go on a rampage about AG.
You helped build it now you live with it...

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Yep, that pretty much sums it up right there. By your very own admission Abentwookie you are here posting (and posting on the Aeria forums) only because they fired a buddy of yours, had they not done so you would have been happy to maintain the status quo, keep all the dirty secrets that you seem so up in arms about now, collect your AP and cover your eyes.
You really need to remove that "Cloak of Righteous Indignation +5" it is a poor fit .
 

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No, Brian, I never admitted that. In fact, i've said THREE times now that I never ignored anything that happened at Aeria. That was why I was suspended and then choose to completely leave the GS program forever. I felt I could serve the community better as a regular player. So stop repeating the same lie that I have repeatedly refuted. Learn how to debate Brian.

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Originally posted by 133794m3r

Enjoy your hate speech and attempt to take them down b/c it'll surely fail. They have millions of dollars and all you got is maybe some ability to run a site.

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Its not about hate, its about the truth. And we won't fail I assure you of that. As for what we do and do not have... Remember when I said we had the resources to do this? Well I just brought the person (a pro-gamer) on board that will open up many options for us, the most important one being more exposure for the issue. ;) Things are about to get REALLY public now. lol

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Originally posted by Renoaku

Way To Go GIRL, I started hating last chaos Over a year ago. I spent over $300 USD in cash on the damn game too. Areia Games Has started sucking recently, and I read your whole post. Their company is going down the drain, and as long as he is there my opinion will stay the same.

I have been treated the same way, and worse in the online community of some games, Like SecondLife, with Hackers, and lots of botters, as well as two other game servers that no longer exist.

As for Filing BBB Reports, Everyone DO IT if you have been Treated wrongly in the game, or even if you haven't go play it, and Find some lame excuse just to report Aeria games to the BBB.ORG it will piss them off lol

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Thanks. Players like you and everyone that has been wronged by Aeria in the past are the ones we're fighting for. :)

Originally posted by twiggy550

 This thread is going absolutely nowhere now. Everything here is turning into a "he said she said" argument. To be perfectly honest, I won't be surprised if this thread gets locked soon, you've got something of a witch hunt started now.

So all I have to say is, quit sounding like a fanatic and get on with your life.

Its not he said she said when one side has posted evidence. lol Go check the facebook group. And its strange that you keep repeating that same "heresay" argument over and over even after I have repeatedly pointed out the evidence. That's what makes you look like an aeria shill.

You know the irony of all this controversy is that now I'm curious about trying Aeria games, whereas before I never cared about them at all.

I guess it's true what they say that Negative publicity is good publicity.

No, it's just reverse psychology working it's ways on you. Be sure to not give them any money either. *wink*

Originally posted by abentwookie

Originally posted by twiggy550

 This thread is going absolutely nowhere now. Everything here is turning into a "he said she said" argument. To be perfectly honest, I won't be surprised if this thread gets locked soon, you've got something of a witch hunt started now.

So all I have to say is, quit sounding like a fanatic and get on with your life.

 

Its not he said she said when one side has posted evidence. lol Go check the facebook group. And its strange that you keep repeating that same "heresay" argument over and over even after I have repeatedly pointed out the evidence. That's what makes you look like an aeria shill.

An Aeria shill? You know, I wasn't surprised that you'd come back at me with that baseless remark.

I'm being very blunt because this entire thread that you started is practically common sense piled on top of your huge QQ story.

Now lets be very clear here. Aeria is what I consider a game company that takes advantage of the stupid people with a pay to win advantage in most, if not all of their games. I think you're just irritated because you've come to the same conclusion many others have come to.

This is my final post because you obviously haven't been listening to me or some of the other fellow more reputable posters here who've given you plenty of their own insight and thoughts on the situation.

Originally posted by hidden1

You know the irony of all this controversy is that now I'm curious about trying Aeria games, whereas before I never cared about them at all.

I guess it's true what they say that Negative publicity is good publicity.

Go for it. And then I can say "I told you so" in a few months. :)

Originally posted by twiggy550

Originally posted by abentwookie

Originally posted by twiggy550

 This thread is going absolutely nowhere now. Everything here is turning into a "he said she said" argument. To be perfectly honest, I won't be surprised if this thread gets locked soon, you've got something of a witch hunt started now.

So all I have to say is, quit sounding like a fanatic and get on with your life.

 

Its not he said she said when one side has posted evidence. lol Go check the facebook group. And its strange that you keep repeating that same "heresay" argument over and over even after I have repeatedly pointed out the evidence. That's what makes you look like an aeria shill.

 

An Aeria shill? You know, I wasn't surprised that you'd come back at me with that baseless remark.

I'm being very blunt because this entire thread that you started is practically common sense piled on top of your huge QQ story.

 

Now lets be very clear here. Aeria is what I consider a game company that takes advantage of the stupid people with a pay to win advantage in most, if not all of their games. I think you're just irritated because you've come to the same conclusion many others have come to.

 

This is my final post because you obviously haven't been listening to me or some of the other fellow more reputable posters here who've given you plenty of their own insight and thoughts on the situation.

lol I knew from the start that they took advantage of people who wanted to pay to win. That's not news. I think everyone in the community knows that. And it has nothing to do with any of this. You're just trying to divert the issue to something else and failing miserably. I truly hope this is your last post so that I won't have to repeat myself 50 more times because you choose to ignore the facts of the situation.

Volunteer drama is always interesting! I think the main issue is that we never hear the other side of the story. In my experience, and I was in a couple of games volunteer programs, you usually only get kicked for breaking the rules. I have very rarely, if ever, heard of anyone getting kicked for the hell of it. What the original post doesn't mention is the reasons why the people were actually removed, banned or fired. I have though read many similar posts down the years about EQs guide system, UO's volunteer system and several others. It's not exactly anything new.

On one point though, it isn't bad in and of itself that some companies employ volunteer staff. That doesn't make them inherently lazy or abusive, it is just taking advantage of the good nature of some of your players and I don't mean taking advantage in a bad way. If I was a company and I had customers willing to help out for some free product then  would most likely utilise them as well, because a dedicated customer is often a far better advocate for your product than a paid employee is because the dedicated player truly cares for the game whereas to some employees it is 'just a job'. Sometimes the volunteer GMs are even far more professional and caring than the paid ones sometimes.

Of course you also get idiot or poor volunteers too, but then you can at least get rid of them easily.

Originally posted by abentwookie

Originally posted by hidden1

You know the irony of all this controversy is that now I'm curious about trying Aeria games, whereas before I never cared about them at all.

I guess it's true what they say that Negative publicity is good publicity.

 

Go for it. And then I can say "I told you so" in a few months. :)

Now I have to try it... it's like ur the mom telling the children to keep their hands out of the cookiejar lol.

Originally posted by CyanSword

Volunteer drama is always interesting! I think the main issue is that we never hear the other side of the story. In my experience, and I was in a couple of games volunteer programs, you usually only get kicked for breaking the rules. I have very rarely, if ever, heard of anyone getting kicked for the hell of it. What the original post doesn't mention is the reasons why the people were actually removed, banned or fired. I have though read many similar posts down the years about EQs guide system, UO's volunteer system and several others. It's not exactly anything new.

On one point though, it isn't bad in and of itself that some companies employ volunteer staff. That doesn't make them inherently lazy or abusive, it is just taking advantage of the good nature of some of your players and I don't mean taking advantage in a bad way. If I was a company and I had customers willing to help out for some free product then  would most likely utilise them as well, because a dedicated customer is often a far better advocate for your product than a paid employee is because the dedicated player truly cares for the game whereas to some employees it is 'just a job'. Sometimes the volunteer GMs are even far more professional and caring than the paid ones sometimes.

Of course you also get idiot or poor volunteers too, but then you can at least get rid of them easily.

 

You know what? I, along with the community, and probably Krash himself, would really LOVE to hear the other side of the story ourselves. We would love to hear why they fired Krash. But the thing is you won't hear it from Superman because they don't want to admit they fired him in the first place. They had one of the other GMs make a post on the LC forum saying that "Krash had moved on" which made it sound like he found a better job. But many of us thought it was odd that Krash wouldn't make the post himself considering the bond he had with the community. When the community discovered the truth, that's when the uproar started. We don't appreciate being lied to. :)

Thx for the advice. Great post.

I don't want to be the bad guy but .. You should go on something else, I mean, all that energy your wasting, do you think they really care ? if they have done what they did, they don't care at all of what you're trying to do.

I know, it's hard to move on, it's hard when the thing you want is to burn them down but, seriously, hey, go try a new game, have fun with those friend you made in LC, find a new home for all these player, want a free game, go try Istaria  : chronicle of the gifted, no pvp, but Great community, and .. you can pay to play or go free with only the human race, wich is still awesome.

Soo, go take a look on the forum, find a new game, try to contact you friend, and take them with you  !

Have fun .. hate will only take your energy and make your day worse.

Originally posted by thedrakon

Thx for the advice. Great post.

I don't want to be the bad guy but .. You should go on something else, I mean, all that energy your wasting, do you think they really care ? if they have done what they did, they don't care at all of what you're trying to do.

I know, it's hard to move on, it's hard when the thing you want is to burn them down but, seriously, hey, go try a new game, have fun with those friend you made in LC, find a new home for all these player, want a free game, go try horizon, no pvp, but Great community, and .. you can pay to play or go free with only the human race, wich is still awesome.

 

Soo, go take a look on the forum, find a new game, try to contact you friend, and take them with you  !

Have fun .. hate will only take your energy and make your day worse.

No, they absolutely don't care but this isn't about them caring. I appreciate the words but, like I said, we're just trying to get the truth about Aeria out to as many people as possible. I knew some people would flame us (some people just like to flame any chance they get) but I also knew we would convince some players not to play Aeria games. And I can handle all the flaming people can bring at me. Trust me on that. I do plan to play a new game (The Old Republic is next) when it comes out but I still have <3 for the LC community and will do everything I can to help fight the corruption in the company. Like I said, there is no stopping for me until changes are made. :) And I know i have the support of countless LC players in this war. That is what keeps me motivated. :)

<3 you guys on LC.

Does anyone else who has read this far find it strange how johnmatthias is essentially telling abentwookie to shut up because it's just a game, yet he feels it's ok to keep flaming someone for something that's just a post?  Pretty much every reason he gives to make her quit is one he could use to stop himself lol.

It doesn't really matter if anyone reading cares or agrees with her, that's not her point.  Sure maybe she is wasting her time.  Fortunately it is her time and she can spend it as she pleases.  But if she is wasting time and effort for something that "no one will care about", why are you so worked up about it?  Just stop reading and move on :) 

Think I'll do that myself.  Good luck ABW :)

I feel bad for the OP, not being able to play a game she once loved.
 

With that said, I've always considered Aeria games to be 2nd.. No, not even 2nd, maybe 3rd rate MMORPG's. They are all crap, and I won't touch them, no worries there! :)

Originally posted by akathos

Hi there I've played Aeria's most popular recent MMO Shaiya for a long time, stopped about 4 months ago, im curious if this Project manager represents the Shaiya section of Aeria or if it's completely different, because shaiya for me is a great game, fantastic community GM's seem friendly, GS's friendly. So im guessing this corruption hasn't been passed on to Shaiya thank god.  But LC is a no go for me, if the Project Manager doesn't show respect for his/her staff, no way in hell (s)he will respect the gamers unless as said previous they hand VISA written across their forehead.  I give you a thumbs up and a pat on the back to post this and reveal the Aeria's: Last Chaos true colours! You got my support!

Thanks. :) And no, each game has a different project manager. I have no idea what the others are like but I'm guessing none can be as bad as KSilent. This is a guy accused of being a Mini-Hitler by a GS that is still in the program. lol And Supes, if you're watching, I'm not telling you who it is. ;) Yeah, KSilent doesn't have any respect for his staff, the GSes, or the players. He's been accused of being "unprofessional" many times by players on the forum. And when he kicked a well-respect GameSage recently for speaking her mind, instead of calmly discussing it with her, he lashed out and called her a disgrace. And this was a hard-working GS that the community loved. And she had been around long before KSilent joined Aeria. This guy should not be in any kind of position where he has to deal with people because he doesn't know how to handle criticism.

I'm going to jump in real quick and say this: 

First of all, Superman: its time for you to STFU. This isn't an Aeria Games forum, and nobody here really gives a dam what you say because Aeria PAYS YOU to go around trying to make people like us (the ones who have the guts to speak out against you and your corrupt company) look like nothing more then whiney kids who got their accounts banned and are lashing out (none of which I happen to be, btw!). You tried to censor everyone who had an issue on the Aeria Game's forum. You tried to censor everyone who tried to add things to the wikipedia. You have tried to CENSOR everyone speaking out against Aeria.

And for what? If you honestly believe that the company you work for IS NOT CORRUPT and that the things we are saying ARE NOT TRUE, then you should have absolutely nothing to worry about, right? What a few "whiney kids" say on a forum wouldn't matter, isn't that so? 

The truth is you know we're right. You know you work for a corrupt company, you know they do shady business, that they screw their players over. And you stand behind it because they sign your paycheck. Cool, fine, but stop trying to make us shut up. We won't.

Why should it matter to other people? Why warn people before they go to play with Aeria Games? 

I played for TWO YEARS and in that time I have lost REAL MONEY because of Aeria. How many times did  I participate in their stupid promotional events and how many times did I not get my rebates or receive my items? Too many times. Many players have suffered a LOSS because of spending money with Aeria. I sent them numerous e-mails to receive a rebate on a promo event they did.. NUMEROUS E-MAILS (that means more then two). First I was told I sent it to the wrong department, to resubmit a ticket to send it elsewhere.. Alright, okay. Then I was told I was having my ticket forwarded to different department, and I should hear from them soon.. OKAY.

Over a month later, I still haven't gotten that rebate.

They don't care about the customer, if the customer is happy... they don't care how your gameplaying experience is. I was harassed for one year, and I had spent that year collecting evidence to prove that it was true. I had chats, screenshots, videos.. I had a years worth of evidence.. everytime I submitted it I was told it would be looked into and dealt with.. none of those people were ever banned. But by definition of their own rules, they should have been permanently banned. I doubt they ever even received a warning..... want to know why?? Shouldn't be hard to figure out... the players who harassed me (to the point where I would call it cyber bullying) were major AP buyers (as in, probably $30-50 a week on this game). 

So..... Aeria Games.......

They don't care if you're being cyber bullied through their game (start buying AP and they will though).

They don't care if you participate in promo's and don't receive your rebates (meh, you only spent $20 and this person over here spent over $100, they have higher priority then you!)

They don't care if you hack, scam, cheat, buy gold.... (I can name several players that I have reported at least 5 times each for doing all of these things... all are AP buyers.. none are currently banned).

They don't even let you have topics on their forum where you discuss what they're doing wrong and how they could improve. In two years of playing and reading their forums, I have seen so many topics started that were created so the players could speak to the GM's and give feedback and suggestions for how they could improve. And there were some VERY good suggestions, that would be so easy to implement. However, GM's do not like to be told they're doing anything wrong.. GM's don't like it when players make these suggestions.. I see no topics anywhere on the Aeria forum having anything to do with "Give us feedback, tell us how we can improve." They are locked and deleted.. referred to as "spam".

Now tell me, don't you think a decent company (an honest company) would WANT to improve the service they provide? Don't you think that would be a better way to get paying players... and keep them? 

And Superman, here's a tip for you.

Coming into all of the forums and websites where we talk about your company, in an attempt to make it seem like our claims are not valid and that we have no proof... that only makes you look more guilty. Nothing screams "CAUGHT!" and "GUILTY!" like someone trying DESPERATELY to shut the little man up.  Come back when you quit working for Aeria. If you can stand behind them even after they aren't signing your paychecks.. then I'd be big enough to back down and say I was wrong about you.. but until then, you're just another one of their puppets trying to save face and do damage control. People are talking about things you don't want public, and thats why you're being so quick to jump on these threads and try to shut us up.

My advice to players of F2P games:

Don't ever play any games from Aeria. They are more trouble then they're worth.

Originally posted by TylinV

Does anyone else who has read this far find it strange how johnmatthias is essentially telling abentwookie to shut up because it's just a game, yet he feels it's ok to keep flaming someone for something that's just a post?  Pretty much every reason he gives to make her quit is one he could use to stop himself lol.

It doesn't really matter if anyone reading cares or agrees with her, that's not her point.  Sure maybe she is wasting her time.  Fortunately it is her time and she can spend it as she pleases.  But if she is wasting time and effort for something that "no one will care about", why are you so worked up about it?  Just stop reading and move on :) 

Think I'll do that myself.  Good luck ABW :)

Yeah, I agree. lol It seems a bit odd.... for someone who doesn't care, its really hard to tell. lol

Hey :)

I read the original post and some other replies and here is my view on the subject.

First of all, I respect the fact that you want to stand up for what's right, and that you are fighting for justice. I admire people who try to change things for the better. But...it's a game, if you had as much commitment to the outside world, and I'm not saying you don't, I am justa ssuming that you don't if you probably spend a lot of time indoors playing games, then maybe the world outside the computer screen would be a better place. People should stop giving as much importance to games. A game is just a game, it's not a way of life. But as I said I do respect your intentions and commitment, but I do think they are a little misguided.

Secondly, I think from what you are saying, both parties are at fault, because when you got suspended from your position, it was a little immature to go to the forums and make the problem public. If what you are saying is true, then also the new manager should be going on a powertrip. But his actions also do not mean that the whole company is corrupt. Most of the time, big companies don't notice what is happening in the lower departments before a long time, because they have a certain trust in their management. I am not defending Aeria, I do not play any f2p game right now, Aeria or any other company, but I am just trying to be neutral here.

Sometimes, you got to let things like these go, games should not be stressful, they are supposed to relieve you of your stress. If they stress you, then maybe you should just find another hobby, live your life with a big smile and enjoy it.

And btw, you look really cute on the **** you picture lol.

Peace to all and don't forget that madness is a requirement in life.

This forum is not exactly known for its 'kind' treatement of games... or of the people the post thier opinions here. This is pretty much a 'tell it like you see it' board. So, this is how I see this post:

The first thing this post does is give everyone who reads it the finger, which pretty much sets the tone. Then there are lots of 'silly' facts that are supposed to be secret (but were publically announced) as well as several supposed 'facts' that the op (and supporters) were concealing, until recently.

Anyone that doesnt agree (and support) the op is called names, or claimed to be me on an alt account (and then called names). There is no real discussion of what the problems are (just lots of slander).

I am sorry that that some people can not play a game,and have fun. I am also sorry that they are working so hard to try to prevent others from having fun.

Since I am affiliated with this, I will leave it at this:

Happy Holidays

Okay since people talked about things being his word against ours many times in this thread, I decided its time for more evidence. As Ksilent likes to say when he bans people: BOOM HEADSHOT!

Pics of KSilent giving a goldbuyer a free pass because he buys AP.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n215/abentwookie/DumbassGoldBuyer2.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n215/abentwookie/DumbassGoldBuyer.jpg

A pic of GM_Stratos's account hacked and it came from the hacker himself  lol Lie much Aeria?

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n215/abentwookie/shot100809202338.jpg

A pic of a goldbuyer named BlackMan (another AP buyer) getting 70 BILLION gold added to his merchant shop. And he wasn't perma-banned like he should have been. lol

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n215/abentwookie/shot090209170231.jpg

I can't wait to see how Supes responds to this. ;)