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  Sovrath

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10/20/09 10:33:17 AM#341
Originally posted by reanor

 


Originally posted by DevilXaphan

Originally posted by reanor

 

Actually the most fun are first 20-25 levels. After that you get to grind a lot. So if game didn't do it for you during first 15 levels on multiple classes - it won't be any better later on. After 25 you can do Abyss PvP, but its all group based. Usually when people go to Abyss or Rift they go as raid and it all ends up raid versus 1, because thats the fastest way to kill. Thats how people usually farm Abyss points. There are other things like fortresses and artifacts. But those are really big scale PvP battles. It still ends up being raid versus 1.
A lot of deaths out there and lag because there are hundreds of people fighting against each other, just a crazy chaos. It may be fun for a while. But its not thought through content. So it just ends up as a mass PvP slaughter. There are some siege weapons, you have to buy them I think for a lot of money, then attack fortress and go in and kill people inside. But again, I tell you that its just not working the way devs thought it will. Its not DaOC. Also little by little people will drop off, cause game is hardly fun after 25. It is fun for a few more levels but after that you realize that all you have in this game is grind and PvP. When SWTOR is out this game will most likely die.



 
Granted at tewenty-nine the group aspect does kick in big time but at that level you have Eracus Temple, at thirty to thirty-five there is the Fire Temple, at thirty-five to forty there is the Aether lab. In the forties i'm sure there are two or three instance just to play in that level and when you reach near forty-five to fifty there are the Dark Poeta and dregion instances as well as the upper abyss fortresses with their instances too. There are the crafting recipes that you get from them also.

 

Can't deny that there is a grind after level thrity, but it's not that bad, it follows what most MMO's do when your nearing end game level.


 

1 instance for every 5 levels... And you're saying thats fun? :) Come on... Asian developers - nothing else needs to be added.


 

Can you name several games that had more before their first expansion?

Seems to me that I can't recall a game that had more per level or 2?

  mmaize

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Joined: 7/23/09
Posts: 224

10/20/09 10:40:30 AM#342
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by reanor

 


Originally posted by DevilXaphan

Originally posted by reanor

 

Actually the most fun are first 20-25 levels. After that you get to grind a lot. So if game didn't do it for you during first 15 levels on multiple classes - it won't be any better later on. After 25 you can do Abyss PvP, but its all group based. Usually when people go to Abyss or Rift they go as raid and it all ends up raid versus 1, because thats the fastest way to kill. Thats how people usually farm Abyss points. There are other things like fortresses and artifacts. But those are really big scale PvP battles. It still ends up being raid versus 1.
A lot of deaths out there and lag because there are hundreds of people fighting against each other, just a crazy chaos. It may be fun for a while. But its not thought through content. So it just ends up as a mass PvP slaughter. There are some siege weapons, you have to buy them I think for a lot of money, then attack fortress and go in and kill people inside. But again, I tell you that its just not working the way devs thought it will. Its not DaOC. Also little by little people will drop off, cause game is hardly fun after 25. It is fun for a few more levels but after that you realize that all you have in this game is grind and PvP. When SWTOR is out this game will most likely die.


 


 
Granted at tewenty-nine the group aspect does kick in big time but at that level you have Eracus Temple, at thirty to thirty-five there is the Fire Temple, at thirty-five to forty there is the Aether lab. In the forties i'm sure there are two or three instance just to play in that level and when you reach near forty-five to fifty there are the Dark Poeta and dregion instances as well as the upper abyss fortresses with their instances too. There are the crafting recipes that you get from them also.

 

Can't deny that there is a grind after level thrity, but it's not that bad, it follows what most MMO's do when your nearing end game level.


 

1 instance for every 5 levels... And you're saying thats fun? :) Come on... Asian developers - nothing else needs to be added.


 

Can you name several games that had more before their first expansion?

Seems to me that I can't recall a game that had more per level or 2?

 

You raise a good point but then so does the poster that you are replying to.  On one hand I can't recall too many games that had a ton of instances before they put out an expansion.  On the other hand you would expect more from a game that is competing in today's environment.  I'd expect a new game coming into the scene to already have thought ahead and created several instances even before their first expansion.

  DevilXaphan

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10/20/09 10:50:07 AM#343
Originally posted by reanor

 

 

1 instance for every 5 levels... And you're saying thats fun? :) Come on... Asian developers - nothing else needs to be added. I wish Aion was developed by Turbine or Bioware. Game would be so MUCH more fun... Game even has a FEEL of Asian grind fest. I don't know what is it about Asian games. Its like they have very little creativity.


 

 

Considering it's only been out for a year, yes as do a few other that find it fun enough. Flight combat is a creative design and so is so is the gathering of aether, then there are the unique transformations in game, and the title uses with stats imbedded.

Don't think either company would have done better than it is now, fun is still subjective to each and every person out there and only they can say what is fun and what is not, so far all the servers seem to have a healthy population of players and no major decreases in population yet.

  arcana666

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Joined: 11/01/05
Posts: 53

10/20/09 11:41:40 AM#344

I don't mind that there's a steep leveling curve tbh.  I try to view a game as a game rather than as a job to do.  I'll just continue to play casually and enjoy it while I do it.

  User Deleted
10/20/09 5:20:46 PM#345
Originally posted by mmaize

Actually...let me do better than that.

Boomtown 10/14/09 Review 8 out of 10
1UP 10/13/09 Review C
GameFocus 10/13/09 Review 9.3 out of 10
ImpulseGamer 10/12/09 Review 9.1 out of 10
AceGamez 10/09/09 Review 7 out of 10
IGN 10/08/09 Review 8.5 out of 10
Gameplanet 10/08/09 Review 9 out of 10
Gamer Limit 10/08/09 Review 8.5 out of 10
Cheat Code Central 10/02/09 Review 3.7 out of 5
NZGamer 09/30/09 Review 8.8 out of 10
Megacritic Review 81 out of 100
RPGFan Review 90 out of 100
Gamespot Review 8.5 out of 10

 

I could go all day.  The overall point here is out of all the reviews I've looked at (which is alot more than what's even posted here) 1UP gave it a "C".

 

The point is not that other review sites gave it good reviews at times. The point is that this site gave it the best review it has ever given an MMO. And this MMO is quite simply not even close to that good.

 

For instance:

RPGFan gave Aion a 90. They gave World of Warcraft a 95.

IGN gave Aion an 85. They gave EQ2 an 85. They gave 9+ for WoW and expasions. They gave LotRO an 8.6. They gave Guild Wars a 9. They gave WAR a 9. 

 

Metacritic ended up with an 8.1 overall for Aion. They gave EQ2 an 8.3. They gave LotRO an 8.6. WoW is over 9. Guild Wars 8.9.

 

You can go to every single site and do this. And you can find more games on these sites that are above Aion. This site is the only one that is saying that Aion is the best MMO ever made through it's overall "official" score. And it's embarrassing. Unless of course they come out and say that Aion is the finest MMO to ever be produced. But then they would lose even more credibility.

 

  bloodaxes

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Joined: 3/03/09
Posts: 2154

10/20/09 5:24:34 PM#346
Originally posted by colddog
Originally posted by mmaize

Actually...let me do better than that.

Boomtown 10/14/09 Review 8 out of 10
1UP 10/13/09 Review C
GameFocus 10/13/09 Review 9.3 out of 10
ImpulseGamer 10/12/09 Review 9.1 out of 10
AceGamez 10/09/09 Review 7 out of 10
IGN 10/08/09 Review 8.5 out of 10
Gameplanet 10/08/09 Review 9 out of 10
Gamer Limit 10/08/09 Review 8.5 out of 10
Cheat Code Central 10/02/09 Review 3.7 out of 5
NZGamer 09/30/09 Review 8.8 out of 10
Megacritic Review 81 out of 100
RPGFan Review 90 out of 100
Gamespot Review 8.5 out of 10

 

I could go all day.  The overall point here is out of all the reviews I've looked at (which is alot more than what's even posted here) 1UP gave it a "C".

 

The point is not that other review sites gave it good reviews at times. The point is that this site gave it the best review it has ever given an MMO. And this MMO is quite simply not even close to that good.

 

For instance:

RPGFan gave Aion a 90. They gave World of Warcraft a 95.

IGN gave Aion an 85. They gave EQ2 an 85. They gave 9+ for WoW and expasions. They gave LotRO an 8.6. They gave Guild Wars a 9. They gave WAR a 9. 

 

Metacritic ended up with an 8.1 overall for Aion. They gave EQ2 an 8.3. They gave LotRO an 8.6. WoW is over 9. Guild Wars 8.9.

 

You can go to every single site and do this. And you can find more games on these sites that are above Aion. This site is the only one that is saying that Aion is the best MMO ever made through it's overall "official" score. And it's embarrassing. Unless of course they come out and say that Aion is the finest MMO to ever be produced. But then they would lose even more credibility.

 

No this site is saying that aion had one of the best polished launches.

MMORPG.com review a game when it's launched it's probably if they made a re-review of wow and lotro with their new expansions the rate would be higher but here the rating means most how was the game launched when released.

  User Deleted
10/20/09 5:28:56 PM#347
Originally posted by bloodaxes
Originally posted by colddog
Originally posted by mmaize

Actually...let me do better than that.

Boomtown 10/14/09 Review 8 out of 10
1UP 10/13/09 Review C
GameFocus 10/13/09 Review 9.3 out of 10
ImpulseGamer 10/12/09 Review 9.1 out of 10
AceGamez 10/09/09 Review 7 out of 10
IGN 10/08/09 Review 8.5 out of 10
Gameplanet 10/08/09 Review 9 out of 10
Gamer Limit 10/08/09 Review 8.5 out of 10
Cheat Code Central 10/02/09 Review 3.7 out of 5
NZGamer 09/30/09 Review 8.8 out of 10
Megacritic Review 81 out of 100
RPGFan Review 90 out of 100
Gamespot Review 8.5 out of 10

 

I could go all day.  The overall point here is out of all the reviews I've looked at (which is alot more than what's even posted here) 1UP gave it a "C".

 

The point is not that other review sites gave it good reviews at times. The point is that this site gave it the best review it has ever given an MMO. And this MMO is quite simply not even close to that good.

 

For instance:

RPGFan gave Aion a 90. They gave World of Warcraft a 95.

IGN gave Aion an 85. They gave EQ2 an 85. They gave 9+ for WoW and expasions. They gave LotRO an 8.6. They gave Guild Wars a 9. They gave WAR a 9. 

 

Metacritic ended up with an 8.1 overall for Aion. They gave EQ2 an 8.3. They gave LotRO an 8.6. WoW is over 9. Guild Wars 8.9.

 

You can go to every single site and do this. And you can find more games on these sites that are above Aion. This site is the only one that is saying that Aion is the best MMO ever made through it's overall "official" score. And it's embarrassing. Unless of course they come out and say that Aion is the finest MMO to ever be produced. But then they would lose even more credibility.

 

No this site is saying that aion had one of the best polished launches.

MMORPG.com review a game when it's launched it's probably if they made a re-review of wow and lotro with their new expansions the rate would be higher but here the rating means most how was the game launched when released.

A smooth launch is all it takes to be tops?

 

You are not thinking clearly.

  bloodaxes

Hard Core Member

Joined: 3/03/09
Posts: 2154

10/20/09 5:37:12 PM#348
Originally posted by colddog
Originally posted by bloodaxes 
No this site is saying that aion had one of the best polished launches.

MMORPG.com review a game when it's launched it's probably if they made a re-review of wow and lotro with their new expansions the rate would be higher but here the rating means most how was the game launched when released.

A smooth launch is all it takes to be tops?

 

You are not thinking clearly.

Aion had a smooth launch and what it promised was already there working, yes there were small stuff here and there to fix and they still need to fix bots and gold spam problem but you could play normally if you could get pass the queue time.

While some other games (better not name them or some could QQ) didn't work well and took weeks to fix before people could play the game well.

For me if you can launch a game that has very few bugs/glitches at launch it already deserves a higher rate then one that took weeks or a month to fix before it could be playable.

 

  User Deleted
10/20/09 5:52:48 PM#349
Originally posted by bloodaxes
Originally posted by colddog
Originally posted by bloodaxes 
No this site is saying that aion had one of the best polished launches.

MMORPG.com review a game when it's launched it's probably if they made a re-review of wow and lotro with their new expansions the rate would be higher but here the rating means most how was the game launched when released.

A smooth launch is all it takes to be tops?

 

You are not thinking clearly.

Aion had a smooth launch and what it promised was already there working, yes there were small stuff here and there to fix and they still need to fix bots and gold spam problem but you could play normally if you could get pass the queue time.

While some other games (better not name them or some could QQ) didn't work well and took weeks to fix before people could play the game well.

For me if you can launch a game that has very few bugs/glitches at launch it already deserves a higher rate then one that took weeks or a month to fix before it could be playable.

 

To me, in order to hold the #1 spot anywhere you need to have a lot more than a smooth launch. Actually, a smooth launch should in my opinion have absolutely nothing to do with the rating on a game.

 

Even if a reviewer was giving a review and wanted to include LAUNCH as one of his categories, the other categories would bring the overall number down. There really is nothing #1 about this game at all. Not even graphics.

 

  Narc1

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Joined: 3/29/05
Posts: 46

Word

10/20/09 6:47:54 PM#350

kind of surprised by the rating, 8.7 seems pretty high for this game. Felt more like a 7 to me, the graphics are great, the classes are kind of interesting but the grinding later on is a huge detraction for me. Its basically the cap that I hit and then stop playing because grinding on mobs is dull without some kind of shade of questing.

  Sirca

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Joined: 1/06/04
Posts: 79

10/21/09 3:24:12 AM#351
Originally posted by Demz2

Seems like a populist review to appease the rampant fanbois on this site.  8.7 plz dont make me laugh.

 

Got that right

  Scot

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Joined: 10/10/03
Posts: 2643

10/21/09 3:28:11 AM#352

A smooth launch is rather easy when the game was already out for a year in the east. :)

I wonder if anyone could tell us how well the original launch went?

  Harkkum

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Joined: 7/15/08
Posts: 180

10/21/09 3:33:55 AM#353

 


Originally posted by bloodaxes

 


No this site is saying that aion had one of the best polished launches.


MMORPG.com review a game when it's launched it's probably if they made a re-review of wow and lotro with their new expansions the rate would be higher but here the rating means most how was the game launched when released.



As a matter of fact, I even had to re-read through mmorpg.com's review of World of Warcraft to figure out the reason for the score they gave. The overall review marks are high, most notably factors such as "fun" and "graphics" get 10 from the reviewer. But. There are two categories that makes the game plummet: service and performance. The main gripes of the reviewer are queues to most popular servers, occassional crashes and poor service, as illustrated by the quotes below.

 


"Another way Blizzard could improve greatly is in the area of customer service."


"Beyond that, there are just some bad decisions, like the recent banning of a number of people because of speed hacks and gold dupes. No doubt there were many cheaters in that group, but several innocent players were caught in the guilty-until-proven-innocent approach Blizzard took, including one player banned for having too much gold."


These were actually very much true at the time of the WoW review and made the review a well-balanced one. The decisions Blizzard made with the game at its early stages are imitated by NCSoft almost to the letter. You could end up being randomly disconnected and looking at your desktop picture, there is next to no customer service and the mass bannings done were using rather grotesque means to alleviate the botting problem. These same actions did affect the score of WoW, and most rightly so. Hence, the only review that needs to be re-done is that of Aion for the reviewer really can't give better score to graphics and fun than his WoW-reviewing comrade.

 

Edit: Typos, those poor bastards.

  actionfitz

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Joined: 11/28/06
Posts: 35

NOBODY Expects the Spanish Inquisition!!

10/21/09 9:10:54 AM#354

"It seems like customer support in the game is pretty awful."

I'd go from 'prety awful' to near non existant.

The forums are irrelevant as no one from NCsoft ever posts there, new posts in a thread dont bump the thread to the top, and the only moderation is in the form of deleted posts.

They have either no GMs in-game or they have the worst GMs ever.
Every public chat channel is full to the brim with gold spammers and the various good grinding spots are full of Bots.
Im pretty sure I saw something when looking for in game support that they dont work after 5pm UK time and not at all on weekends.

My sub is frozen now and will remain so until the company gets its act togther.

  Scot

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Posts: 2643

10/22/09 2:55:57 AM#355

New posts do not bump threads and the only moderation is deleting threads? That is just taking the piss.

  Jaymason666

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Joined: 4/11/07
Posts: 1

12/17/09 2:28:45 PM#356

 Service is pretty horrible. but thats NCsoft period. all of there games i've played were like that. if you don't like games crashing, either stop playing brand new ones, or learn to fix the stuff yourself. 

as far as score goes. it's a review. if you don't agree with the reviewers thoughts and score, write your own goddamn review. bunch of f---ing whiners who have to follow the herd.

as far as the game goes, it's alright. graphics are nice, plays smooth. i have the liberty of having a system built for maya and the likes. my FPS spike like crazy sometimes, between 60-200, but i haven't decided if thats just my comp, or the game. could that new windows 7 bull too.

the animation is all done very smooth, but not really "real". can't put my finger on why, but something about it....

as far as gameplay goes. it's basic. almost a little too basic for someone who has played a mmo before... so sfor some experienced players, it probably will be "fast food". that depends on the end game tho, i haven't made it anywhere near that far.

it has a monotonous feel to it, but the game originally came from korea. to all the people complaining about grinding, i repeat.

THE GAME CAME FROM KOREA!

if you don't like grind games, don't play anything that even remotely hints to the idea of a korean origin. or asian (no offense intended to anyone).

The character builder is set up very nicely. a good mix of "preset" and "sliders". some hair length options would be nice tho, give it a bit more depth.

 

all in all it is a decent game. they obviously spent more time and effort on looks than they did content, but thats what patches are for. how many content patches has wow added? kinda like comparing a stock car to a tuned one....

  Savinakis

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Joined: 8/21/09
Posts: 4

1/01/10 10:10:05 AM#357

I bought this game and played it for a month and was sorely dissappointed by the game play and what I had to do to reach the pvp content of the game. I was so fed up with trying to get to level 25 and enter the abyss that I actually gave up at level 23 because I was trying to solo, died tons, leveled sooo slow and actually got tendonitis in my wrist from playing this game. I am an avid EVE player and have tried almost every game on the market. But this game really needs to figure out there first 25 levels so they don't lose people like me, because from what I could see it's WoW with wings and thats it.

  Corpse-Core

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5/08/10 2:55:30 AM#358

Aion, needs work, I basically look at it right now as a pay-to-play beta. The grind was never the problem for me, its was the crap customer service and gold spammers. Lag was another factor in why I decided to leave, I run a pretty high-end system here, found out NCsofts current servers dont handle high-population pvp very well. Try conquering a fortress where the lag practically makes little better than a slide-show or server crashes right in the middle of the fight. Also, found it rather interesting and somewhat funny how my character could fly but not swim, just walk along the bottom as if he was made out of lead and drown. Plus, there was disturbing news that some of the higher end quests weren't even translated....how the HELL am I suppose to read it?

 

The Verdict

Save your money, its simply not worth paying hard earned cash to play at this time.

  Tokken

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Posts: 190

6/28/10 5:14:51 PM#359

Two questions...

is Aion a solo-ability game or group ability game or both?

How far can you solo? Thanks.

MMO's Played: UO, EQ, SWG, CoX, DAoC, WoW, Champions Online, AION, SWTOR, RIFT.....

  Sovrath

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6/28/10 5:18:32 PM#360
Originally posted by Tokken

Two questions...

is Aion a solo-ability game or group ability game or both?

How far can you solo? Thanks.

Though I did group from time to time and though there are a few quests/areas that require a group, I can pretty much say I mostly soloed to lvl 46. I am fairly confident that one could solo to cap.

The problem is that you are going to have to be resourceful because if you go into the abyss you might run into the enemy en masse.

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