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How did WoW manage to take many EQ players? Didnt EQ come out before WoW? So how come that game didnt out polish Blizzard's WoW mmo? |
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WOW is ezmode, original EQ had a challenge and a real death penalty, games now are crap ezmode junk.
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It's not that WoW took EQ players. It's that WoW reached out to a new consumer. WoW is kiddiefied compared to EQ. But, there is nothing wrong really with WoW other than the extreme lack of challenge. Though there may not be the clallenge in WoW like there was in EQ, WoW does make things easier for the non hardcore gamer. Someone that only has about 3-4 hours or less a day to play would never get anything accomplished in EQ, but with WoW they can get at least some quests done, do some pvp, maybe an instance , and some tradeskilling. The only thing that makes WoW so popular because like most people in the world, they are lazy, and gamers are no differnt. We enjoy everything being handed to us with little effort on our parts. Not sure if that answers your question to the fullest but thats the input i got. Kick to the Face. |
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but that still doesnt explain why WoW out polished EQ. EverQuest came out way before WoW. Remember like the Early WARHAMMER release, and how fans would say, "you cant compare War to WoW, because WoW had 4 years to polish,,,,Bah Bahh BAhhh" Well EQ is older right? So what happened? |
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Originally posted by Rakuji
Well, that's not technically correct. The vast majority of initial WoW players, were at some time EQ players. The main appeal to WoW is that it gives a sense of achievement, much more easily than did it's predecestors - primarily EQ on which it was unabashadly based. What do you mean by 'polish' though? EQ probably has 4 times the content of WoW and did it with much less money, so it may lack some 'polish'. |
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Originally posted by tro44_1
Why don't you say what it is about EQ you think isn't polished then maybe someone could give you an answer. |
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EQ2 was my most anticpated mmo of all time. Loved EQ1 and couldn't wait for 2 to come out. At the time WoW was the underdog and I think conventional wisdom was that EQ2 would be the next big thing. EQ1 was the granddaddy of theme park mmos and Blizzard was a newcomer to the genre. EQ2 launched about a month before WoW as I recall. Unfortunately, it went in completely a different direction from EQ1. Also, the game was in terrible shape at launch and was obviously rushed out the door to beat WoW to market. There was a terrible memory leak, the graphics engine ran like shit on brand new hardware, there was a lack of content, and a lot of the quests and such were buggy. I didn't even finish out the free 30 days and decided to pick up WoW just to check it out. I ended up playing WoW (which I didn't expect to like) on and off for the next several years. EQ 2 I checked out again last year on a free trial. In my opinion the graphics engine still runs like shit even on next next gen hardware. At launch they said the engine was just so advanced it couldn't run on the stuff currently availiable.....I always knew that was BS. Anyway, that is my opinion as to why WoW now has 10 million subs or whatever and EQ2 has about 2 percent market share. I am biased I will admit, as I completely detest EQ2.....but I think ultimately my history is pretty accurate. |
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The game engine was to dated and they were not going to make any MAJOR changes to risk loosing their existing customers.
The question you SHOULD be asking is why did EQ2 fail while WoW succeeded.
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exactly (and we know the answer to that- EQ2 was crap :)) |
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EQ2 failed because it should have never been a separate game but should have been an expansion. People didn't want to restart from fresh specially since EQ was not a walk in the park to reach engame and so some remained in EQ some moved in EQ2 and some went to wow.
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Wtf are you talking about? WoW didn't take shit from EQ. people were already on the way out when wow released. How is WoW more polished? EQ has a older engine both graphically and mechanics wise but its not a unpolished game. EQ has ten times the content of WoW, a more interesting gameworld, better classes, better raids and actual risk!
I really wish people that started MMOs with WoW would stop posting. PLaying: EvE, Ryzom Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum |
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When people say 'polished', I like to think of a game that spent extra time rounding out the edges. Each game had a different type of polish. SoE has been polishing EQ so that it will generate more revenue, which was mainly focused in creating content like crazy for the raiding community. The raiding community was the only people that would stay for an extended period of time as long as they were entertained with new content. Notice I said new content and not polished well rounded and balanced content. Blizzard has been (sense launch) polishing WoW in the sense of gameplay, not really focusing too much on expansion packs but doing a balancing act with the game in order to make it enjoyable for all different types of players from the casual to the hardcore. So my question for everyone that looks at this is: Would you play an MMORPG for the amount of content? OR Would you play an MMORPG for the gameplay? I was one of those hardcore raiding types in EQ that played it from 2001 to 2004 and left for WoW. I was a magician and if you have ever read up on their epic quest 1.0 questline you would know a prime example of why EQ isnt polished in gameplay even when WoW was first released. All I wanted was to have fun and get my god **** crown of elemental mastery, because the content was so out dated getting to the island that dropped my epic quest item was near to impossible to achieve. It wasnt the fact that it was old content that irritated me, it was the fact that in order to have easier access to my epic 2.0 I had to finish my epic 1.0. So I figured if I want to have fun in a MMORPG I should play WoW and become totally self dependant instead of relying on groups and guilds to level up or gear up.
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Originally posted by metalhead980
Actually, the guys at Blizzard have already said that WoW is based on EQ. I cannot remember the direct quote but it was something like:
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Originally posted by grimfall
Actually, the guys at Blizzard have already said that WoW is based on EQ. I cannot remember the direct quote but it was something like:
The head guys that created WoW played EQ hardcore but thats not what im saying. I'm saying that EQ wasn't a unpolished game. EQ was already losing subs due to certain expansion content when WoW released. Other games were taking EQ subs already (DAoC, AO, AC and UO was still going). I'm also saying EQ still has a few really great features in it that are better done than in WoW. OP what happened to EQ was SOE sucks and it basically killed itself, similar to how WoW wont die by another MMO and will either die of old age or some stupid Xpac that changes shit for the worst.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum |
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EQ has crap combat and WoW has the best. |
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Originally posted by Varny
WoW combat is EQ combat turned up to 300% speed. Seriously I could run into BG's with my warrior and slide my face across the keyboard and completely own people because I could spin around them faster. I wish I could record the sound of my brother pvping in WoW it sounds like hes having hardcore sex with his keyboard. There is no skill or tactics involved in combat like that just strafing around a players spamming a few keys faster than the other guy. My kids play a game with just as much skill its called Hungry, hungry hippos. PLaying: EvE, Ryzom Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum |
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Originally posted by metalhead980
WoW combat is EQ combat turned up to 300% speed. Seriously I could run into BG's with my warrior and slide my face across the keyboard and completely own people because I could spin around them faster. I wish I could record the sound of my brother pvping in WoW it sounds like hes having hardcore sex with his keyboard. There is no skill or tactics involved in combat like that just strafing around a players spamming a few keys faster than the other guy. My kids play a game with just as much skill its called Hungry, hungry hippos.
Rofl I'm beginning to like you sir. Well put. I used to PVP in WoW quite a bit, I actually knocked my keyboard off the desk a few times because of how fast / hard I was pressing the keys. Hence, I don't play it anymore. |
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Go play EQ and then play WoW and then say that, WoW takes much more skill and the game actually has good PVP where your skill can mean you can take on 3 vs 1. WoW is so much better, all my friends prefer it's combat and that is why it's so popular and EQ is dead. |
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Originally posted by Varny
Fixed that for you, skill is rarely a factor. |
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You kids get off my lawn!! |
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I can see my self doing this many many years from now when i am old and grey, with no teeth and a cane. ... Why yes Tommy we did have MMOS when I was young.... Why back in my day we had to group to get the good experience!! We had to make naked corpse runs uphill in the snow!! Dying could cost you hours worth of experience!! Wa actually took long boat rides to get around, we lost poor Bob once when he fell off!! We didn't have these fancy "addons" for our games, if you had an addon back then you were a hacker!! We didn't have fancy ventrillo, we actually had to type!! Those were the good old days! *shakes his cane at you* Get off my lawn you young whippersnappers!!! |
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Tethered
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Joined: 10/12/09
I scream and yell when I play a game, just have to remember to take my heart pills first.. |
Originally posted by Varny
SKILL? ROFL!! you better stop while you are ahead... WoW has very limited skill involved other then how hard you twink yer low level BG toon and how fast your internet / comp / keyboard spam will handle you pounding. PvP is fun there and I had tons of fun doing it for a while, but I like playing Modern Warfare better, or Tribes, Unreal...etc cheaper too and much more gratifying in the end. EQ was never about PvP ever...it was thrown in to keep a few pvp people happy..and it sucked..bad.../eos Raiding in WoW is easier and less time consuming then EQ but the when you got done in EQ there was a sense of accomplishment...never really got that in WoW...and a lot of the skills that are used in WoW raiding...guess what..they were perfected in EQ ... lol. WoW = skeeellz...wooo..that was a pants pisser.
You know you are old when the dev's on the games you play are almost young enough to be your grand-kids. |
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This is a weird thread, and the OP is making comments & arguments that make no sense. I don't even know where to start lol.
Let's see, WoW & EQ are different games. When WoW was released, EQ had been out for 5 years and had started to decline due to the bad expansion that got released that year. WoW in itself was inspired by EQ, many of their original developers were EQ players and they actually met in EQ. What WoW did very well, was they took many ideas from other games and made them just a tad better, and enhanced them. So voila, you had WoW, a name (Warcraft) that is very popular in the gaming world, and it drew tons new players into the MMO genre.
The point is these are two different games. I mean if you want to bring up EQ, why not bring up AC? DAOC? UO? Fact of the matter is, no game can really compare to WoW because it's just a freak of nature. WoW did something that no other games have been able to do in this genre. So there really is no comparison, no argument, and it isn't about WoW vs EQ, it's really WoW vs the whole MMO scene.
Blizzard is known for creating quality, polished games. They live up to their reputation well and they do a good job of it. With WoW they set a standard in which if games are not polished upon release, don't have enough content, and don't have smooth gameplay, they're gonna have trouble attracting and keeping customers. Fair or not, that's the price everybody else has to pay for Blizzard pulling in so many new gamers into the MMO genre. EQ1-AC1-DAOC-FFXI-L2-EQ2-WoW-DDO-GW-LoTR-VG-WAR |
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Polish is not what led people to play WoW instead of EQ. EQ is polished and is still generating profit to this very day and still releasing expansion packs and opening new servers. Need to check your facts son.
EQ had the largest player base of any MMO to date until WoW launched. It was a whopping 250k. So if WoW has 11 million as they claim, which is complete bogus number by the way inflated by using Asian ISP's subscriber numbers, Those 10.75 million players didnt come from EQ.
As someone earlier said EQ's only problem was EQ2. And dont look now but Blizzard is currently taking the same path with their undisclosed MMO they are working on. Greed has no bounds and WoW will ruin WoW just like EQ ruined EQ.
The problem with EQ was never polish. Ten years later and They are releasing another Xpack this month. Oh no EQ is not dead. |
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WarCraft and Blizzard as a whole already had a fan base of millions before WoW came into being. There is your reason for the sub numbers. Nuff said. It's not the polish, it's not the content. It's the pre-existing IP. |
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