Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by rav3n2

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Originally posted by Angorim
It's a shame it's only being developed for console last I heard.

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I wouldnt be surprised if they released this for the consoles and then started an integration with the PC version based on the walking in stations, if you think about it, it would be a clever move, alot of PC users will most likely buy the console version as well and some even possibly get a console to play it , so now they have expanded their market to the consoles with DUST and can look at porting it/development of WiS to the PC.
To me it makes sense because there is no reason why they wouldnt want to expand their PC game with WiS and at some point to have the DUST gameplay integrated with the current game.
At the end of the day, it could be their way to fund the WiS development, get ppl to buy DUST  which is probably based on the WiS project anyway and then either make it available for free on the PC or through a small charge. Not necessarily a bad thing at least not to me, hopefully this will come sooner rather than later.
 

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Since there will be a connection to EVE, Dust 514 will be most likely as well based on single persistant world which means you would need to accomodate console and PC players within 1 gaming session and that is not going to work well.

It is no shame at all, Dust 514 is not an expansion of EVE Online, it is the extension of IP.

Well technically speaking it could accommodate the console players and pc players together the network capabilities are there, they would have to be clever about it. But yeah I dont think we will get FPS combat in EVE, but a different integration with the WiS could work non the less. Dunno I am really looking forward to hear CCP plans for the future after DUST releases.

Originally posted by Kordesh

Originally posted by Sheista

Blahblahblah standard "I'm just going to make up what I want to hear so I can complain some more" bullshit.

Did I mention part of what makes Eve so hard to love is that half of the community is completely intolerable?

Whatever. Cya.  

I completely agree. I like Eve but a large proportion of the community are just elitists jerks. One of the worst communities I have seen in an MMORPG was in AoC because of all the immature children but Eve is full of sociopaths who think they are something special because they are playing a "hardcore, sandbox, PvP" game.

Maybe it is because Eve actually promotes the griefing type of gameplay, I dunno, but there is something with a big proportion of the Eve playerbase that I havent seen in other games.

That being said, the game itself is probably the only good sandbox MMORPG out there. Shame though that the developers are reluctant to build on that and improve the game so it caters to more people.

And by that I dont means change the way PvP works but rather fix many of the chores in the game (like mining and hauling), improve the UI, fix the sound fx and add real character avatar control, and not just ship control.

Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by Kordesh

Originally posted by Sheista

Blahblahblah standard "I'm just going to make up what I want to hear so I can complain some more" bullshit.

Did I mention part of what makes Eve so hard to love is that half of the community is completely intolerable?

Whatever. Cya.

 

 

i dont see him making anything up.

You said faction warfare rarely happens (which is false).

From my experience it doesn't. You float around shooting nothing for 2 hours every day, for days on end. Maybe things have changed, but there sure as hell wasn't anything going on when I did. Of course, someone could simply have said "Faction warfare has really picked up" or some such, but then you wouldn't get to be needlessly confrontational which is the good old fashioned Eve community for ya.

You say its hard to get into a 0.0 corp (which is false),

You're making an assumption that having half the game locked away by a handful of mega alliances is a good thing. What if you want nothing to do with that level of BS? Yeah you can find 0.0 corps that are not part of the powerblocs but good luck doing much with them.

you say pirates are griefers (which is false).

An assumption. I said people who grief are griefers. Baiting someone with a can to exploit a game mechanic and get a clear to shoot down some noobs mining rig is not piracy. 

You know nothing (or very little at best) of the game and how its played. Go find another forum to post your complaints in, i mean for someone who doesnt play the game you sure posted alot in this thread.

Apparently I must be subbed to every game forum I post in. Sorry, I'll make sure to sub to five or six MMOs to discuss them without being harassed. 

 Seriously, I don't know why I even try having a discussion here. It's always the same five or six knuckleheads reading what they want to read and then circle jerking each other about how great Eve is and how everyone else is wrong for some such reason and is spouting filthy lies. 

Originally posted by Kordesh

Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by Kordesh

Originally posted by Sheista

Blahblahblah standard "I'm just going to make up what I want to hear so I can complain some more" bullshit.

Did I mention part of what makes Eve so hard to love is that half of the community is completely intolerable?

Whatever. Cya.

 

 

i dont see him making anything up.

You said faction warfare rarely happens (which is false).

From my experience it isn't. You float around shooting nothing for 2 hours every day, for days on end. Maybe things have changed, but there sure as hell wasn't anything going on when I did. 

Yes and your one experience of FW is the experience every FW member has ..... yeah ok ..... because i've seen the exact opposite of what your explaining.

You say its hard to get into a 0.0 corp (which is false),

You're making an assumption that having half the game locked away by a handful of mega alliances is a good thing.

where did i say this? I said it isnt hard to get into a 0.0 corp. There are plenty of corps out there that live in 0.0 and accept newer players ... its what player training corp are for

What if you want nothing to do with that level of BS? Yeah you can find 0.0 corps that are not part of the powerblocs but good luck doing much with them.

saying this from first hand experience? Or are you just pulling it out of your ass. Again, your one experience with 0.0 corps (if you even had one) doesnt represent everyone elses 0.0 corp experience.

you say pirates are griefers (which is false).

An assumption. I said people who grief are griefers. Baiting someone with a can to exploit a game mechanic and get a clear to shoot down some noobs mining rig is not piracy. 

how many people fall for these griefs anymore? Not too long ago i remember reading in the C&P forums about how almost nobody is falling for these griefers anymore. And i never saw you mention lowsec piracy in your post, are you just ignoring it or only looking at the blemishes of eve?

You know nothing (or very little at best) of the game and how its played. Go find another forum to post your complaints in, i mean for someone who doesnt play the game you sure posted alot in this thread.

Apparently I must be subbed to every game forum I post in. Sorry, I'll make sure to sub to five or six MMOs to discuss them without being harassed. 

i wish alot of people did what you explained... it would keep the trolls and misinformed idiots (not to be confused with regular misinformed people looking for help) out of the forums.

Seriously, I don't know why I even try having a discussion here. It's always the same five or six knuckleheads reading what they want to read and then circle jerking each other about how great Eve is and how everyone else is wrong for some such reason and is spouting filthy lies.

come back when you have something to contribute rather then complaining about features in the game you didnt enjoy. Funny how someone who spent a few months in the game knows more then us liars, lawl.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Kordesh

Originally posted by Sheista

Blahblahblah standard "I'm just going to make up what I want to hear so I can complain some more" bullshit.

Did I mention part of what makes Eve so hard to love is that half of the community is completely intolerable?

Whatever. Cya.  

I completely agree. I like Eve but a large proportion of the community are just elitists jerks. One of the worst communities I have seen in an MMORPG was in AoC because of all the immature children but Eve is full of sociopaths who think they are something special because they are playing a "hardcore, sandbox, PvP" game.

Maybe it is because Eve actually promotes the griefing type of gameplay, I dunno, but there is something with a big proportion of the Eve playerbase that I havent seen in other games.

That being said, the game itself is probably the only good sandbox MMORPG out there. Shame though that the developers are reluctant to build on that and improve the game so it caters to more people.

And by that I dont means change the way PvP works but rather fix many of the chores in the game (like mining and hauling), improve the UI, fix the sound fx and add real character avatar control, and not just ship control.

I really dunno how you can say this, sure you dont like how you interface with the game, but thats like saying "Age of Empires is a good game but the company doesnt bother improving it by adding single unit control as your avatar" the game is made around that concept thats the way it is, you dont like it well play another game, while I do agree there is alot of elitist ppl in EVE the game can cater to a whole array of players, hell if your that disgusted by the community you can even play without speaking with anyone and still have fun, thats the whole point you can do what you want, the only thing stopping the average MMO player joining was the lack of a good initial tutorial to point them in a few directions and then say "go and do what you want", this has changed and its very easy to get into the game.

To round it up I dunno how you can say that the whole community is bad, which game offers anything like the EVE University, or where corporations will organize "courses" in different areas of gameplay that you can complete.

Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by Kordesh

Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by Kordesh

Originally posted by Sheista

Blahblahblah standard "I'm just going to make up what I want to hear so I can complain some more" bullshit.

Did I mention part of what makes Eve so hard to love is that half of the community is completely intolerable?

Whatever. Cya.

 

 

i dont see him making anything up.

You said faction warfare rarely happens (which is false).

From my experience it isn't. You float around shooting nothing for 2 hours every day, for days on end. Maybe things have changed, but there sure as hell wasn't anything going on when I did. 

Yes and your one experience of FW is the experience every FW member has ..... yeah ok ..... because i've seen the exact opposite of what your explaining.

See the alteration. I never said my experience was the only one, however, it was my experience, and the only way I'm going to see things. Wouldn't make much sense to think "Oh yeah this shits goin on like crazy!" when I've never seen it happen once. You could have just corrected me, but that would be too easy. 

You say its hard to get into a 0.0 corp (which is false),

You're making an assumption that having half the game locked away by a handful of mega alliances is a good thing.

where did i say this? I said it isnt hard to get into a 0.0 corp. There are plenty of corps out there that live in 0.0 and accept newer players ... its what player training corp are for

And where did I say it was hard to get into a 0.0 corp? I was referring to the powerblocs, and how they essentially have their section of the game locked down making it inaccessible unless you want to deal with their politics. 

What if you want nothing to do with that level of BS? Yeah you can find 0.0 corps that are not part of the powerblocs but good luck doing much with them.

saying this from first hand experience? Or are you just pulling it out of your ass. Again, your one experience with 0.0 corps (if you even had one) doesnt represent everyone elses 0.0 corp experience.

I'm not even going to answer this because I'm seriously tired of the assumptions at this point. Suffice it to say, yes, I'm speaking from personal experience. 

you say pirates are griefers (which is false).

An assumption. I said people who grief are griefers. Baiting someone with a can to exploit a game mechanic and get a clear to shoot down some noobs mining rig is not piracy. 

how many people fall for these griefs anymore? Not too long ago i remember reading in the C&P forums about how almost nobody is falling for these griefers anymore. And i never saw you mention lowsec piracy in your post, are you just ignoring it or only looking at the blemishes of eve?

The original point of what I said was twisted entirely. I was talking about how 9 out of 10 times, when describing "Why eve is fun" half the time people respond with something like the above, or some other pointless crap just to piss someone off IE: Eve is fun because you can be a dick. Which isn't exactly an encouraging answer. 

You know nothing (or very little at best) of the game and how its played. Go find another forum to post your complaints in, i mean for someone who doesnt play the game you sure posted alot in this thread.

Apparently I must be subbed to every game forum I post in. Sorry, I'll make sure to sub to five or six MMOs to discuss them without being harassed. 

i wish alot of people did what you explained... it would keep the trolls and misinformed idiots (not to be confused with regular misinformed people looking for help) out of the forums.

Once again, shining example of Eves "helpful community". 

 

 

To answer the troll in the OP, ambulation is due H1'10 in the next expansion, Incarna

To answer the other trolls: yes, i admit it. There isn't really a game called "EvE", it's actually a ponzi-style pryramid scam secretly owned by Amway. Pass this post on, as it will soon be deleted.

You may not hear from me again, my life is in danger now, but at least my conscience is clear.

THREE HUNDRED THOUSNAD SUBSCRIPTIONS NOT TO A GAME BUT TO A DANGEROUS CULT. DO NOT GET INVOLVED. DO NOT LET CHILDREN GET INVOLVED. THERE IS NO GAME, ONLY AN EVER-GROWING SCAM!

Originally posted by Kordesh

Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by Kordesh

Originally posted by tvalentine

i dont see him making anything up.

You said faction warfare rarely happens (which is false).

From my experience it isn't. You float around shooting nothing for 2 hours every day, for days on end. Maybe things have changed, but there sure as hell wasn't anything going on when I did. 

Yes and your one experience of FW is the experience every FW member has ..... yeah ok ..... because i've seen the exact opposite of what your explaining.

See the alteration. I never said my experience was the only one, however, it was my experience, and the only way I'm going to see things. Wouldn't make much sense to think "Oh yeah this shits goin on like crazy!" when I've never seen it happen once. You could have just corrected me, but that would be too easy. 

Yes so if you join a terrible corporation in eve, that makes all corporations in eve terrible because it was your experience and the way your going to see things? Get a clue dude. I fly with a corporation every now and then and they told me they joined a 0.0 alliance. They got there, found out they sucked and you know what they did? They left and went back to what they were doing, rather then quitting and saying 0.0 alliances suck.

You say its hard to get into a 0.0 corp (which is false),

You're making an assumption that having half the game locked away by a handful of mega alliances is a good thing.

where did i say this? I said it isnt hard to get into a 0.0 corp. There are plenty of corps out there that live in 0.0 and accept newer players ... its what player training corp are for

And where did I say it was hard to get into a 0.0 corp? I was referring to the powerblocs, and how they essentially have their section of the game locked down making it inaccessible unless you want to deal with their politics. 

ohnoes, politics!!!?!?!? Poor you, perhaps they should just hand you free space because your a newbie and a nice guy?

What if you want nothing to do with that level of BS? Yeah you can find 0.0 corps that are not part of the powerblocs but good luck doing much with them.

saying this from first hand experience? Or are you just pulling it out of your ass. Again, your one experience with 0.0 corps (if you even had one) doesnt represent everyone elses 0.0 corp experience.

I'm not even going to answer this because I'm seriously tired of the assumptions at this point. Suffice it to say, yes, I'm speaking from personal experience. 

point out the assumptions, i'm going off just what your saying. You said "good luck doing much with them" which i thought meant "they dont do much at all". Was i wrong? Maybe you should make your points more clearly then if your poor sarcasm isnt getting your point across.

you say pirates are griefers (which is false).

An assumption. I said people who grief are griefers. Baiting someone with a can to exploit a game mechanic and get a clear to shoot down some noobs mining rig is not piracy. 

how many people fall for these griefs anymore? Not too long ago i remember reading in the C&P forums about how almost nobody is falling for these griefers anymore. And i never saw you mention lowsec piracy in your post, are you just ignoring it or only looking at the blemishes of eve?

The original point of what I said was twisted entirely. I was talking about how 9 out of 10 times, when describing "Why eve is fun" half the time people respond with something like the above, or some other pointless crap just to piss someone off IE: Eve is fun because you can be a dick. Which isn't exactly an encouraging answer. 

bein a lowsec pirate isnt bein a dick, its making lowsec dangerous and denying others resources they could use against you. It's fun warping in on someone, demanding a ransom or you'll blow their ship up. For me its the right amount of RP and pvp in one form of play. If people dont want to lose their ships they can stay in high sec. This is a pvp game, pvp happens. More reward should = more risk.

You know nothing (or very little at best) of the game and how its played. Go find another forum to post your complaints in, i mean for someone who doesnt play the game you sure posted alot in this thread.

Apparently I must be subbed to every game forum I post in. Sorry, I'll make sure to sub to five or six MMOs to discuss them without being harassed. 

i wish alot of people did what you explained... it would keep the trolls and misinformed idiots (not to be confused with regular misinformed people looking for help) out of the forums.

Once again, shining example of Eves "helpful community".

and another shining example of someone who needs to stop posting complaints. And start posting questions that dont end in you shooting them down because of your "bad experiences".

 

 

 

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Originally posted by rav3n2
 
Well technically speaking it could accommodate the console players and pc players together the network capabilities are there, they would have to be clever about it. But yeah I dont think we will get FPS combat in EVE, but a different integration with the WiS could work non the less. Dunno I am really looking forward to hear CCP plans for the future after DUST releases.

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Conrollers are the problem.

Console FPS use gamepads and aim helper while PC games usualy rely on your mouse and skills.

Dust 514 is simply a different game using the background of existing one.

All you EvE haters really need to get a grip stop playing wow because that game is making you dumb. This is a Niche game get over it and dont play it but dont come to EvE forums and start flaming because your precious wow is making you abit thick.

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Originally posted by tvalentine
LOL... had to quote this to believe it.... gdemami actually admitting there will be a connection between eve and dust 514 after dozens of post denying it.

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I was never denying it.

You are almost as bright as Kordesh.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by tvalentine
LOL... had to quote this to believe it.... gdemami actually admitting there will be a connection between eve and dust 514 after dozens of post denying it.

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I was never denying it.

You are almost as bright as Kordesh.

right, like you never denyed that the winter expansion would be a 0.0 sov revamp. Whatever you say gdemami ....lol

Originally posted by Kordesh

And I've gotten a bit off track. But the short of it is, ultimately, I agree with you, but I end up constantly being on the defensive as I can't seem to ask the question "What makes Eve more than just *this*" without the Eve Defense Force raining hell down upon me, instead of answering with the information they're always claming they have but seem so reluctant to actually reveal. 

In part this is because it's rather difficult to define in terms that most other MMOs use. Specifically you highlighted the lack of character progression, which seems to be a major bugbear for some people coming from other MMOs. But when people like you complain about this, the charge seems totally absurd to EvE players like me. I'm progressing my character right now, and have been every second since I subscribled.

Now how can this be? Supar-Scret h4xx? NO! Offiline Skill Training? NO! Well OK, yes this is a part of it, but it's a small part of it.

The secret is carefully hidden in plain view. It's right out there in the open where people accustomed to traditional MMOs can't see it.

In EvE, you progress your character by doing stuff. Most especially by doing stuff with other player. By building up contacts, reputations, resources, infrastructure and expertise. Every time I get in a fight I "progress" because I learn something from it that makes me a better combat PvPer next time. But I also progress in that my reputation is increased (or diminished!), my standing in corp rises, my corp's standing in the alliance rises, my alliance's power is incremented, all of which enhances in turn my ability to further personal goals. That right there is my progression, and it means far more to me than any magic sword or stat increase.

None of these things show up on my character sheet. The SP and ISK do, I guess, but they're means, not ends. Tools, not goals.

Originally posted by Cerion

So I clicked on this thread, hoping to get a straight answer...

Silly me...It's EVE.

Straight answer: 2010 March/April (Incarna expansion)

 @OP get xbox360 and wait for DUST514. We'll brief you further when it's time for you to do dirty planetary jobs for us.

EVE is very deep, but like any deep pool of water it has surface tension which mayflies, like OP, can't penetrate :P

Originally posted by Malcanis

To answer the troll in the OP, ambulation is due H1'10 in the next expansion, Incarna

To answer the other trolls: yes, i admit it. There isn't really a game called "EvE", it's actually a ponzi-style pryramid scam secretly owned by Amway. Pass this post on, as it will soon be deleted.

You may not hear from me again, my life is in danger now, but at least my conscience is clear.

THREE HUNDRED THOUSNAD SUBSCRIPTIONS NOT TO A GAME BUT TO A DANGEROUS CULT. DO NOT GET INVOLVED. DO NOT LET CHILDREN GET INVOLVED. THERE IS NO GAME, ONLY AN EVER-GROWING SCAM!

Sssshhhhhhhhh.....you will anger the internet spaceship deities.

Originally posted by schawo

Originally posted by Cerion

So I clicked on this thread, hoping to get a straight answer...

Silly me...It's EVE.

Straight answer: 2010 March/April (Incarna expansion)

That's wrong.

Planetary conquest releases in March/april

Incarna will be the winter expansion.

Both are expected to release beofre Dust514.

Originally posted by rav3n2

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Kordesh

Originally posted by Sheista

Blahblahblah standard "I'm just going to make up what I want to hear so I can complain some more" bullshit.

Did I mention part of what makes Eve so hard to love is that half of the community is completely intolerable?

Whatever. Cya.  

I completely agree. I like Eve but a large proportion of the community are just elitists jerks. One of the worst communities I have seen in an MMORPG was in AoC because of all the immature children but Eve is full of sociopaths who think they are something special because they are playing a "hardcore, sandbox, PvP" game.

Maybe it is because Eve actually promotes the griefing type of gameplay, I dunno, but there is something with a big proportion of the Eve playerbase that I havent seen in other games.

That being said, the game itself is probably the only good sandbox MMORPG out there. Shame though that the developers are reluctant to build on that and improve the game so it caters to more people.

And by that I dont means change the way PvP works but rather fix many of the chores in the game (like mining and hauling), improve the UI, fix the sound fx and add real character avatar control, and not just ship control.

 

I really dunno how you can say this, sure you dont like how you interface with the game, but thats like saying "Age of Empires is a good game but the company doesnt bother improving it by adding single unit control as your avatar" the game is made around that concept thats the way it is, you dont like it well play another game, while I do agree there is alot of elitist ppl in EVE the game can cater to a whole array of players, hell if your that disgusted by the community you can even play without speaking with anyone and still have fun, thats the whole point you can do what you want, the only thing stopping the average MMO player joining was the lack of a good initial tutorial to point them in a few directions and then say "go and do what you want", this has changed and its very easy to get into the game.

To round it up I dunno how you can say that the whole community is bad, which game offers anything like the EVE University, or where corporations will organize "courses" in different areas of gameplay that you can complete.

Where did I say that the whole community is bad? And where did I say I am so disgusted that I dont feel like talking ot anyone?

I said a large proportion of it, in my experience, are elitists. But sure, a big proportion of Eve community are also mature and helpful but that does not take away the fact that alot of others are rude and condescending.

As for your comparison to Age Of Empires, that is not an MMORPG. MMORPGs evolve and as such people will expect it to add features and noone is saying that Eve should completely change into something else (like your example of Age of Empires) but rather give you more the feeling that you are infact controlling an avatar and not a ship.

Also a piss poor UI is a piss poor UI. That is not a feature that needs to be added, that is an existing feature that, again in my experience, is a turn off to alot of players. For example there is no reason for it having to be so mouse centric where most MMORPGs are keyboard centric. Many times I feel like Im browsing a graphical file system and not playing a game.

And the sound? Are you honestly telling me that after 6 years thats the best sound effects for the say the laser weapons are good? They are horrendous. A minor thing maybe but it all adds up.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Kordesh

Originally posted by Sheista

Blahblahblah standard "I'm just going to make up what I want to hear so I can complain some more" bullshit.

Did I mention part of what makes Eve so hard to love is that half of the community is completely intolerable?

Whatever. Cya.  

I completely agree. I like Eve but a large proportion of the community are just elitists jerks. One of the worst communities I have seen in an MMORPG was in AoC because of all the immature children but Eve is full of sociopaths who think they are something special because they are playing a "hardcore, sandbox, PvP" game.

Maybe it is because Eve actually promotes the griefing type of gameplay, I dunno, but there is something with a big proportion of the Eve playerbase that I havent seen in other games.

That being said, the game itself is probably the only good sandbox MMORPG out there. Shame though that the developers are reluctant to build on that and improve the game so it caters to more people.

And by that I dont means change the way PvP works but rather fix many of the chores in the game (like mining and hauling), improve the UI, fix the sound fx and add real character avatar control, and not just ship control.

I completely agree. I like Eve but a large proportion of the community are just elitists jerks. One of the worst communities I have seen in an MMORPG was in AoC because of all the immature children but Eve is full of sociopaths who think they are something special because they are playing a "hardcore, sandbox, PvP" game.
This is completely subjective and not an actual reflection of any facts about the game. Anyone could say the same thing about any game. Further, how do we know you're not a huge jerk who incites people to be jerks to you? I'm not saying this is the case, I'm just highlighting how the above statement is pointless (in the context of discussion about the merits of EvE as a game) in its subjectivity.

Maybe it is because Eve actually promotes the griefing type of gameplay, I dunno, but there is something with a big proportion of the Eve playerbase that I havent seen in other games.
This is false. EvE does not "promote griefing". It's more a PvP game than a PvE game. CCP, as well as most players, will tell you this. If you don't like PvP, or the possibility of another player killing you, don't play this game.

That being said, the game itself is probably the only good sandbox MMORPG out there. Shame though that the developers are reluctant to build on that and improve the game so it caters to more people.
The developers are not reluctant to cater to more people, they don't want to do this, nor do they need to. EvE is a niche game. CCP constantly improves the game to cater to the niche crowd that play it, and to further attract more players who will enjoy it for what it is. I'm sure any of the players currently playing EvE would agree that there is no desire within the EvE community to cater to "more" people (obviously they want to expand, but they want to attract the kind of people that enjoy this type of game already, not alter it to attract others). If you don't like the game, don't play. Don't expect the game to alter itself to convince you to play.

And by that I dont means change the way PvP works but rather fix many of the chores in the game (like mining and hauling), improve the UI, fix the sound fx and add real character avatar control, and not just ship control.
People that do mining and hauling in EvE do not view it as a chore. They do it because that's the aspect of the game they enjoy. Why would CCP alter the enjoyment of these already paying players, who are having fun, to cater to non-playing players? This makes no sense. Again, this can be applied to the rest of your comment.

The UI and sound can always be improved, and they generally are with each expansion. However, to say that these things need improvement without offering detailed examples of how or why, is pretty useless. EDIT: Saying UI is piss poor because it's mouse-centric and unlike every other MMO out there  is, well, a piss poor observation with little-to-no merit. Sorry.

Also, if you don't like playing with your ship as an avatar, don't play EvE. People that complain about this drive me crazy. The majority of EvE players, although looking forward to Incarna, have absolutely no problem with their avatar being a ship. It's not like EvE fools you into thinking you play as something else and then springs the ship avatar on you. This is the way the game is set up, if you know that you're not going to enjoy it, why sub and then complain?
 

To me, your post seems to reflect the fact that you don't like the type of game that Eve is, rather than offer any valid points about problems with the game itself. Consequently, it's not much use. You won't get much good out of asking someone who doesn't like apples, about apples, when they would prefer that apples were oranges.

Originally posted by Legato89

I would be slightly more inclined to play this spreadsheet screensaver hybrid when they do.

If you don't like eve as it is now then you probably won't like it any better when Incarna hits.