The only thing in that trailer that I could see being implemented soon would be DX10, other then that the rest of that stuff is way down the road if not beyond reach.

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

Originally posted by Sovrath

"Vision Trailer".

The Vision of what the game would (might) have in the future. Anyone thinking that this was coming in the next update was overly optimistic at best.

but they aren't really the brightest bulbs in the sky at times.

Sorry, I call shenanigans.

Developers are always so clear to point out when they show 'in-development' footage before a game's release.   

Videos they put out AFTER the release when they're trying to get subs shouldn't be any less accurate.  

This video is misleading.   If NCSoft wanted it to be a video of not-yet-implemented mechanics then they should SAY so.   Calling it a 'Vision' video is being deliberately obtuse since Aion marketing is already so full of flowery text.   A 'Vision' could be a vision of beauty as well as a vision of the future.  

And don't think the PR types didn't know they were be misleading.     They may not be brightest bulbs but even stupid people know how to bend the truth. 

 

"VISION" merely means "Dream" or "idea".   There is nothing about the word itself that means a sure to be reality. 
 

The Cry engine is amazing, and very well capable of doing everything we've seen in the trailer.  However,  as far as any time frame goes, hopefully we will all have Windows 7 with DirectX 11 and an upgraded vid card such as an ATI 5970 (currently the only vid card even capable of utilizing full DirectX 11) or an nVidia 300 series (which isn't ready, yet). 

For all the gameplay stuff, if anyone here has ever played any of the other mmo's out there over the past few year, then you know it's NOT something we'll see all at once or soon.  But, it will happen and since all these "ideas" are something that are obviously planned or imagined (or they wouldn't be there in the first place) as being parts of expansions to make sure to keep players interested.  As a career game tester, I see this stuff all the time where bits and pieces of current buggy, unfinished code are rushed in one form or another for public viewing and freaks like some of the people here misunderstand what it is that's being shown in the first place.

Here's another quote from Ayase " it's a WIP vision. And it's one we're very thrilled about. :)"  It's not smoke and mirrors something is there but since it's not even finalized they don't want to promise anything.  Personally I'm very glad they decided to clue me on on the "future" of aion.  I expect this to come in tiers bit by bit over time.   Ala the chronicles in Lineage II.  Who knows we might even get more than we expect.

Originally posted by mrroboto40

I'm having a very hard time understanding this.

Is this trailer not actual gameplay?

If it is gameplay, then surely they have started to work on all of it, and if not then big fail on NCSoft.

What do you think? Ofcourse not. All the stuff that you saw and isn't in the game yet, was just CGI material. As their current licensed game engine is so old, it doesn't even support it nor is it capable of supporting it.

But it's funny nonetheless, as I wonder how many sucke....ehh people insta resubbed to AION after drooling over this video and thought it would be the next expansion. LOL.

Cheers

Originally posted by jujdred

"VISION" merely means "Dream" or "idea".   There is nothing about the word itself that means a sure to be reality. 
 

The Cry engine is amazing, and very well capable of doing everything we've seen in the trailer.  However,  as far as any time frame goes, hopefully we will all have Windows 7 with DirectX 11 and an upgraded vid card such as an ATI 5970 (currently the only vid card even capable of utilizing full DirectX 11) or an nVidia 300 series (which isn't ready, yet). 

For all the gameplay stuff, if anyone here has ever played any of the other mmo's out there over the past few year, then you know it's NOT something we'll see all at once or soon.  But, it will happen and since all these "ideas" are something that are obviously planned or imagined (or they wouldn't be there in the first place) as being parts of expansions to make sure to keep players interested.  As a career game tester, I see this stuff all the time where bits and pieces of current buggy, unfinished code are rushed in one form or another for public viewing and freaks like some of the people here misunderstand what it is that's being shown in the first place.

Sorry to burst your bubble into tears my friend. But AION is using the Cry Engine 1 !

Cheers

I don't think "Vision" holds any real information about whether or not this will make it in.

For me, this trailer is reminiscent of the trailers released 3 years ago, they got us incredibly excited, along with the promises made by the dev team (aka: story driven, complete game questable, living environment, big world, flying pvp something really unique, great word pvp, dynamic pvpve system).

The current Aion sets few of those in stone, instead being a dumbed down game with little to do.

So this trailer really leaves kind of a bitter taste in my mouth.

This what have they shown us on the Vision trailer wasn't a movie it was "GAMEPLAY".So they have done a lot of that what they wanted to show as.So this will "Vision" trailer will be soon realty.So stay tuned.

Originally posted by DiSpLiFF

Originally posted by makerzyo

 haha but what about all the fanbois that based all of their arguments on this trailer?

lol

I don't see how anyone who actually watched that trailer could think it would all be implemented 1) soon 2) all at once 3) all that stuff would ACTUALLY be implemented. 

but to a degree you're right. 

Edit - I at least have to give NC soft some credit, they're admitting this is what COULD happen not what WILL. People can't say down the road that they made broken promises. 

I was going to maybe try Aion if it was going to be done in an upcomming expansion. Right now the game's just play ugly. The Animations suck, and it's just lacking anything to make me want to pay 15$ a month, buying the box or even downloading a 10GB client for a trailer.

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by mrroboto40

I'm having a very hard time understanding this.

Is this trailer not actual gameplay?

If it is gameplay, then surely they have started to work on all of it, and if not then big fail on NCSoft.

 

What do you think? Ofcourse not. All the stuff that you saw and isn't in the game yet, was just CGI material. As their current licensed game engine is so old, it doesn't even support it nor is it capable of supporting it.

But it's funny nonetheless, as I wonder how many sucke....ehh people insta resubbed to AION after drooling over this video and thought it would be the next expansion. LOL.

Cheers

They didn't say it was CGI material. They said that it's not footage of a planned specific patch or expansion.

They are fully free to upgrade the old engine. Just because the engine isn't capable of supporting it now, doesn't mean it won't in the future.

 I lol'd hard.

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Here's how great the game could be... but naw... no we're not REALLY going to do that... just show you how awesome the game could be. A patch? Oh no, no... we need the money so it'll be an expansion for more eye candy.

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I mean that's pretty much a slap in the balls, isn't it? If you went to a restaurant to order the new special... and while you're eating it the chef comes out and shows you the same dish but with more on the plate then says "I just wanted to show you how f'ing cool this could have been, but I'm happy you're paying full price for what I gave you because it's too much work to give you more now..." Wouldn't you be a little pissed?

Originally posted by Lansid

 I lol'd hard.

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Here's how great the game could be... but naw... no we're not REALLY going to do that... just show you how awesome the game could be. A patch? Oh no, no... we need the money so it'll be an expansion for more eye candy.

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I mean that's pretty much a slap in the balls, isn't it? If you went to a restaurant to order the new special... and while you're eating it the chef comes out and shows you the same dish but with more on the plate then says "I just wanted to show you how f'ing cool this could have been, but I'm happy you're paying full price for what I gave you because it's too much work to give you more now..." Wouldn't you be a little pissed?

dude...good point

Originally posted by Sovrath

It seemed to me to be very straight forward.

"Vision Trailer".

The Vision of what the game would (might) have in the future. Anyone thinking that this was coming in the next update was overly optimistic at best.

What NC Soft should have done was be a bit more clear (for those who can't extrapolate what "vision" implies) and then simultaneously release info on the upcoming expansion.

but they aren't really the brightest bulbs in the sky at times.

My thoughts exactly.

Unfortunately, in this day and age most people aren't very good at reading between the lines and/or thinking their way through things. In this regard, it never hurts for a company to be extremely direct, rather than vague about it's intentions.
 

I just want to reply and say that I think my tweets have been misinterpreted. I will admit that they're short and it's easy for such an unfortunate misinterpretation to happen, but I will also have it said that I'm not claiming this not to be in-game content, I'm merely saying it's not a specific expansion or patch (at this point).

Originally posted by Ayase

I just want to reply and say that I think my tweets have been misinterpreted. I will admit that they're short and it's easy for such an unfortunate misinterpretation to happen, but I will also have it said that I'm not claiming this not to be in-game content, I'm merely saying it's not a specific expansion or patch (at this point).

I see what you did thar.  I guess a person would have to ask specifics... such as:

In regards to the content in the Trailer, "Vision", are those confirmed implementations to the Video Game, Aion? If the answer is yes, will they be delivered in the form of free DLC, or will they be part of a purchasable expansion pack?

If the content in the "Visions" trailer are not representative of the intended conceptual future of the video game, Aion, then what was the purpose for the creation and release to the public of the trailer, "Visions"?

Originally posted by Lansid

Originally posted by Ayase

I just want to reply and say that I think my tweets have been misinterpreted. I will admit that they're short and it's easy for such an unfortunate misinterpretation to happen, but I will also have it said that I'm not claiming this not to be in-game content, I'm merely saying it's not a specific expansion or patch (at this point).

I see what you did thar.  I guess a person would have to ask specifics... such as:

In regards to the content in the Trailer, "Vision", are those confirmed implementations to the Video Game, Aion? If the answer is yes, will they be delivered in the form of free DLC, or will they be part of a purchasable expansion pack?

If the content in the "Visions" trailer are not representative of the intended conceptual future of the video game, Aion, then what was the purpose for the creation and release to the public of the trailer, "Visions"?

Ncsoft's expansions are always free.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by mrroboto40

I'm having a very hard time understanding this.

Is this trailer not actual gameplay?

If it is gameplay, then surely they have started to work on all of it, and if not then big fail on NCSoft.

 

What do you think? Ofcourse not. All the stuff that you saw and isn't in the game yet, was just CGI material. As their current licensed game engine is so old, it doesn't even support it nor is it capable of supporting it.

But it's funny nonetheless, as I wonder how many sucke....ehh people insta resubbed to AION after drooling over this video and thought it would be the next expansion. LOL.

Cheers

They didn't say it was CGI material. They said that it's not footage of a planned specific patch or expansion.

They are fully free to upgrade the old engine. Just because the engine isn't capable of supporting it now, doesn't mean it won't in the future.

That is the problem. Cry Engine 1 cannot be simply upgraded to Cry Engine 2 and sure as hell not to the new Cry Engine 3!

As CryTek started from scratch with Cry Engine 2 and rebuild it from the ground up. And so not compatible for upgrade from Cry Engine 1!

So upgrading to either Cry Engine 2 or 3 or even a completely different engine will be an ENORMOUS task. Almost like completely starting from scratch. Not to mention the costs and resources it will involve.

Cheers

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Originally posted by mrroboto40

I'm having a very hard time understanding this.

Is this trailer not actual gameplay?

If it is gameplay, then surely they have started to work on all of it, and if not then big fail on NCSoft.

 

What do you think? Ofcourse not. All the stuff that you saw and isn't in the game yet, was just CGI material. As their current licensed game engine is so old, it doesn't even support it nor is it capable of supporting it.

But it's funny nonetheless, as I wonder how many sucke....ehh people insta resubbed to AION after drooling over this video and thought it would be the next expansion. LOL.

Cheers

They didn't say it was CGI material. They said that it's not footage of a planned specific patch or expansion.

They are fully free to upgrade the old engine. Just because the engine isn't capable of supporting it now, doesn't mean it won't in the future.

 

That is the problem. Cry Engine 1 cannot be simply upgraded to Cry Engine 2 and sure as hell not to the new Cry Engine 3!

As CryTek started from scratch with Cry Engine 2 and rebuild it from the ground up. And so not compatible for upgrade from Cry Engine 1!

So upgrading to either Cry Engine 2 or 3 or even a completely different engine will be an ENORMOUS task. Almost like completely starting from scratch. Not to mention the costs and resources it will involve.

Cheers

Hmmm... Something tell me I should skip on this one...Anyway.

-This trailer is not CGI (Computer-generated imagery) it is probably a render using the cryengine engine.

-All you've seen in the trailer can be done in CryENGINE 1.3 and that's probably the one they are using in Aion.

-GodRays and HDR effect are not limited to DX10, they can be done under DX9 (Many reviewers proved the point when they released Crysis(game) and some people were able to almost get the same results in DX9 than DX10.)

-CryENGINE can be upgraded and modded you can go from CryENGINE1 to CryENGINE2 without having to start from scratch

-Quote from wikipedia:"CryEngine2 is a game engine. It is an extended version of the CryEngine, the game engine behind Far Cry. CryEngine2 has been used for Crytek's game, Crysis; an updated version is used in Crysis Warhead, an expansion of Crysis; also the MMORPG Entropia Universe and Aion recently upgraded its graphics to the CryEngine 2." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CryEngine_2

This is just a a pre-rendered footage using the in-game engine there are no "real" mechanics at work, they are showing you what they envision the game in the future. Is this so hard to understand?

Now the PR and Marketing dept. release the trailer as Aion Vision... And yes this trailer is a marketing tool. Get over it, everytime you drink a beer do you see 12 super hot chicks showing up in bikini in your backyard? When you spray AXE you girls get naked around you?

Are you 12 years old and believe Star Wars was actually filmed in space with real spaceship and all?

I bought the game and played for a month.  But since I can only play one MMO at a time (job, life and such) and there seemed to be a number of rough technical and gameplay frustrations,  I cancelled my subscription and turned to something else.   I saw this trailer and I found it interesting, but I guess I'll bother to resubscribe when the game is more like it's "vision"

 It's nice they are trying to save face and post a message, but that post would be better to do on the aion site directly and clear it up with it's playerbase not people like me who unsubbed cause I call it PR machine BS. GL keeping that player base active my suggestion is to hire a more capable PR icon.

Originally posted by Ayase

I just want to reply and say that I think my tweets have been misinterpreted. I will admit that they're short and it's easy for such an unfortunate misinterpretation to happen, but I will also have it said that I'm not claiming this not to be in-game content, I'm merely saying it's not a specific expansion or patch (at this point).

It's also because NCsoft is really vague about this.

All we want to know if this is actually inengine footage or if we're looking at a target render CGI?