Originally posted by altairzq

Why on earth are you trying to get your young daughter into gaming?

I think if you introduce her to gaming and see if she enjoys it, if not then let her play with barbie or what not. When you said "trying to get her into gaming" (although it may or may not be your intention) but it comes across as you are forcing her too.

Either way just let her see if she enjoys it.

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Originally posted by Ceridith

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Originally posted by Baikal
You do realize that age doesnt equate to maturity, right?

I've played with 14 year olds who have been "guild assets", because they acted mature, and I've known more 30 and 40 something's who become idiots in MMO's because they are behind the facade of a computer persona.

The younger kid acting mature might be the exception, but the older folks still acting like idiots is pretty much a norm.

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Age doesn't dictate maturity, but it does tend to influence it. yes you can have kids that are more mature than adults, and adults that are immature, but those are the exceptions. Generally kids are less mature and adults are more mature.

And yes, anonymity and lack of consequence can cause some people to behave like douches, but if someone's behavior degrades when there is no consequence, then it really shows just how immature they really are. They're just good at pretending to be mature when they have to.

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Of course it influences it, but it's only one influence among many, and it probably isnt even the most important. Based on my life experiences, both playing games, and outside, I dont think I'd say it is an exception at all. There is definitely truth to the dictum that "age is just a number."

Are more adults mature? Absolutely, but it doesnt change that fact that milage varies, and it certainly isnt an absolute.

Originally posted by VaultFairy

Originally posted by altairzq

Why on earth are you trying to get your young daughter into gaming?

 

I think if you introduce her to gaming and see if she enjoys it, if not then let her play with barbie or what not. When you said "trying to get her into gaming" (although it may or may not be your intention) but it comes across as you are forcing her too.

 

Either way just let her see if she enjoys it.

LOL no im not tying her to a chair and holding here eye lids open, she is a single player nut as i was at 13. I just dont like the online communities and general player base anymore. Sometimes it feels like your baby sitting someone elses kids. I just want a place she can try online gaming thats good for her.

Age means nothing to me, I would rather have maturity based servers.

Older doesn't always mean mentally  stable, and young doesn't always mean immaturity.

Well, I think a lot of the trash you don't like would still be on the age restricted servers.  Adults are plenty capable of acting like idiots on the net.

I'd agree with that.

Like it's been said, there are quite a few online games geared toward kids.  My son currently plays Wizard 101 and loves it.  Most of the chat is the same as they would have with friends at school (yes I supervise his gaming).  I even get on and play with him and his friends sometimes.  Before he started playing Wiz 101 he really wanted to play WoW so I let him make a toon and level it with minimal help from me (I was always sitting with him when he played though).  I made him read all his quests out loud before he could accept them (to help his reading).  He mainly wanted to PvP so once he got high enough he played some battlegrounds and actually did quite well, especially since he was 8 at the time (I made sure he was geared to the teeth).  I don't see an issue with letting kids play if they want.  Their interest doesn't last but so long.  My son quit playing WoW once baseball season started and never bothered playing again.  I do say if you don't have time to supervise then they shouldn't play but minimal supervision is needed for Wiz 101.  I just look over and check up on him every now and again while I'm playing Fallen Earth.      

I think it is unreasonable to ask to control a a whole group of individuals with anonymity and some who have different upbringing and/or "bad" parenting.

If what you want is a game that can monitor and "parent" the population then you might need to look at some other recreation for her. Or simply teach her how to fend for herself when she is online.

To help lighten the ammount of dickwads online though you could always make sure to sign her up to all the "ROLEPLAY" servers due to the nature of general population that go to those (+ they are sometimes monitored by GMs for bad non-RP behavior).

• Supervision
• Education
• Moderation

Those are what you need to practice to help deter negative effects of online gaming/socializing on your daughter. I have a 16 year old and a 12 year old that both enjoy WoW and net socializing, they get 2 hours a day and are well informed by my wife and I with how to conduct themselves. And commonsense is a must for helicopter parents.

Originally posted by Goronian

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by Goronian

Originally posted by altairzq

Why on earth are you trying to get your young daughter into gaming?

 

Why not? Kids are never young enough to be exposed to it, not if they can play. Seriously, I've learned my first swearword at age 6, but only got, what it means at age 15. Not a big difference.

With that said, I say drop her unto the normal server. The sooner tshe learns to filter out the asshats, the better.

 

Becasue videogames it's not something that needs an effort to do, it's a pass time with very few benefitsm and anyway she will play videogames if she wants to. Parents are supposed to get their sons and daughters into important fulfilling things, like music, languages, sports, visiting places, etc etc...

 

Music and sports are pass times, as well. And, no offense, but I don't believe parents should force sports/music down their kid's throat. Only a handful of them actually become anything, the rest have broken childhoods/teenage years, few minutes near the spotlight, early retirrment and ridculous pension. At least, that's how it usually works in Russia.

Now, I don't mind kids doing sports/music (and actually would encourage them to learn languages, especially English, if they're not native), but kids and teenagers need to be... Well, kids and teenagers. It's one of the best parts of life and not to experience it fully can lead to serious regrets later on.

 

P.S. Games are probably the youngest form of art. MMOs, if supervised, by an adult, to explain some things, can provide some great lessons in life, the first of which is a good use of "ignore' button.

Wow... who said forcing anything down kid's throats? So if I mention music, it's forcing the kids, but gaming then it's not, it's something done for the best of the kids.

Please.

Also, becoming a star is absolutely not the issue, it's having something that will accompany the kid all his/her life, like knowing to play an instrument, being able to communicate in other languages, being able to practice a sport, and all this at not a professional level obviously.

About videogames, if she likes them, then yes, help her find the best options and supervise. But trying to get her into playing videogames? That's simply nonsense, and irresponsible, chances are more harm will come than good.

Originally posted by Goronian

Originally posted by altairzq

Why on earth are you trying to get your young daughter into gaming?

 

Why not? Kids are never young enough to be exposed to it, not if they can play. Seriously, I've learned my first swearword at age 6, but only got, what it means at age 15. Not a big difference.

With that said, I say drop her unto the normal server. The sooner tshe learns to filter out the asshats, the better.

lmao you should be teacher her how to diet and look hot so she gets a husband

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by Goronian

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by Goronian

Originally posted by altairzq

Why on earth are you trying to get your young daughter into gaming?

 

Why not? Kids are never young enough to be exposed to it, not if they can play. Seriously, I've learned my first swearword at age 6, but only got, what it means at age 15. Not a big difference.

With that said, I say drop her unto the normal server. The sooner tshe learns to filter out the asshats, the better.

 

Becasue videogames it's not something that needs an effort to do, it's a pass time with very few benefitsm and anyway she will play videogames if she wants to. Parents are supposed to get their sons and daughters into important fulfilling things, like music, languages, sports, visiting places, etc etc...

 

Music and sports are pass times, as well. And, no offense, but I don't believe parents should force sports/music down their kid's throat. Only a handful of them actually become anything, the rest have broken childhoods/teenage years, few minutes near the spotlight, early retirrment and ridculous pension. At least, that's how it usually works in Russia.

Now, I don't mind kids doing sports/music (and actually would encourage them to learn languages, especially English, if they're not native), but kids and teenagers need to be... Well, kids and teenagers. It's one of the best parts of life and not to experience it fully can lead to serious regrets later on.

 

P.S. Games are probably the youngest form of art. MMOs, if supervised, by an adult, to explain some things, can provide some great lessons in life, the first of which is a good use of "ignore' button.

 

Wow... who said forcing anything down kid's throats? So if I mention music, it's forcing the kids, but gaming then it's not, it's something done for the best of the kids.

Please.

Also, becoming a star is absolutely not the issue, it's having something that will accompany the kid all his/her life, like knowing to play an instrument, being able to communicate in other languages, being able to practice a sport, and all this at not a professional level obviously.

About videogames, if she likes them, then yes, help her find the best options and supervise. But trying to get her into playing videogames? That's simply nonsense, and irresponsible, chances are more harm will come than good.

I apologize. I really overreacted here and thinking back at it now.. Yeah, I'm not a parent, why the hell am I talking about a subject like that?

I get your point, but... I still think they should start learning those things in their early teenage years, when they are capable of making their own decisions, not when the parents have a say in everything.

About "Trying to get into videogames"... Can be an interesting subject, actually. If I had a kid, I would really love to show him some of the games I adore. Some of the more intelligent ones, like, say, Heroes of Might and Magic. The game is really hard to get into and kids will be even more spoiled by pretty grapics, than we are. It's like showing your kid an old movie, or giving them older books to read - it might give them a whole ne perspective on the medium, if only they can stop judging them "by the cover".

MMORPGs, however... Yeah, you're probably right.

Originally posted by GetViolated

Originally posted by Goronian

Originally posted by altairzq

Why on earth are you trying to get your young daughter into gaming?

 

Why not? Kids are never young enough to be exposed to it, not if they can play. Seriously, I've learned my first swearword at age 6, but only got, what it means at age 15. Not a big difference.

With that said, I say drop her unto the normal server. The sooner tshe learns to filter out the asshats, the better.

 

lmao you should be teacher her how to diet and look hot so she gets a husband

Great. I finally have an excuse to completely ignore your opinion on these forums.