Originally posted by Ruyn

Originally posted by Fariic

Originally posted by Ruyn

Originally posted by Kogaratsu66

Ruyn is quite right, outnumbering your adversaries is a valid, realistic way to win in an FFA environment. The real question is: does the game provides ways to compete ?

Politics, diplomacy are valid options to gather more people, and this is good because geopolitics is what FFA world is all about. The thing is: Darkfall, by putting player skill forward and allowing field tactics (terrain, disposition, etc... are very important), effectively allow you to win by outsmarting/outskilling an outnumbering enemy.

 

This makes the zerging option less frustrating when you have to fight against it.

 

 

 

Yes.  Here is an example of a smaller enemy using the terrain to their advantage:  www.youtube.com/watch

 

 

2 minutes and 30 seconds of people shooting balls of light at each other?
And that's what you call better PvP.

PvP isn't just mass fighting.
It starts with 1vs1.

There's no depth in DF combat.
It's grind skills to purchase the next level of skill and then shoot at a mob of people.

Lineage 2 has better pvp then DF.
WoW has better PvP then DF.
Vanguard has better PvP then DF.
And Mortal Online blows DF combat away.

 

It's one video.  Illustrating a point about terrain.  If you want different pvp check out dork:  www.youtube.com/watch

What you see here is better pvp than any of the games you just listed.  On top of that this is open world pvp.  PvP with meaning and substance.

Well I agree, the first video was not impressive - and find it humorous that you'd dismiss it as "just one video", after you specifically chose it to show off DF PvP.

The second video.... Well, I guess it proves that "better pvp" is truly subjective, because in that entire video I didn't see a single encounter that looked at all exciting. The dead mount in mid-stride, floating in mid-air at 2:59 was chuckle-worthy, though.

 Darkfall for PvP combat.  Eve for the overall PvP system (how it relates to multiple aspects of the game).

If Darkfall, Eve, and Fallen Earth had a 3 way mutant baby... oh my.  They all do certain things so very well, and suck it up at the things the others are good at.  So disappointing we can't get a complete game.

Originally posted by mindw0rk

 

Than why in every mass pvp video with hardcore DF pvpers, they are running around spamming blue crap spell?

Combat system in DF sucks, end of discussion.

Maybe because not everyone leveled up magic, and mana missle, that "blue" spell you're talking about, is unlocked for everyone at the get go. Sorry that Darkfall isn't like most MMOs on the market now where you "unlock" a few spells every level. If you actually played the game you'd realize that there is a lot of spells that people use besides mana missle; it's the reason why global cooldowns are getting added (because so many people were utilizing overpowered high level spells).

And no, it's not the end of discussion. To me and many other people, Darkfall's PvP, even in the stage the game is at now in post-launch development (and before the upcoming huge second expansion), is leaps and bounds above other MMOs on the market. Does it have issues? Absoutely, but they're constantly and consistently getting addressed and resolved.

Sorry buddy, but "click on target, click on hotbar, successful hit, rinse, repeat" is no where NEAR as fun for me and many others as a combat system that is twitch based, first person, and requires, again in many people's opinions, much, much more skill than targetting MMOs.

darkfall takes the pvp crown anyday

Darkfall is by far the best PvP MMO I've ever played, but it has a long way to go to be a great sandbox. The second expansion is going to make it, in my opinion, to a "polished" release state, but it still has a lot of work to do to be considered an "excellent" sandbox game.

However, I strongly believe Darkfall will become one of the best sandbox games ever made (if not the best), and the fact of the matter is that even with it's current problems before the second expansion, it's PvP is absolutely fantastic.

*edit* And to all of the people screaming that WoW's PvP is awesome... seriously... for real? After playing Darkfall I can never, ever go back to a "target and click" MMO, and if the genre never generates another MMO with similar combat mechanics (i.e. no targeting, etc), then I may end up having to leave the genre. Lucky for me, it looks like this is absolutely not the case.
 

Took the words right outta my mouth.  I bought Aion and just couldnt get into it after playing Darkfall, I was going to buy Mortal Online until I found out they punish you for pvping too much (stat loss)

Darkfall is a best choice for real pvp basead in player skill u dont need a lot of months to be good u can start good figths in 1 week and in 1 month u will have good stats be good or not is just pratic , one player with 6 months not is immortal and with 3 weeks u can kill him if u have Player skill

Really guys i played a lot of mmos i love mmos , but today dont have other mmo that have all darkfall features , realistc graphics and a real pvp not bullshit tab click click

Today for me have 2 mmorpg style

1-Realistic mmorpg => Darkfall

2-Eve

And....

3-Child mmorpgs with cartoon graphics or tab click click

In real life any1 can kill u and stole all ur stuffs in any place this like darkfall 18+

Some1 ks u ? Kill him

Some1 cross ur way ? Kill him

Some1 got ur mob loot? Kill him

Or just kill for fun

In Darkfall u are Freedom to be a nice guy or no

*face palm* no Planetside, you forgot to list the only  100% PvP MMO. fail. 

First off if you're clicking your skills in WoW pvp you're a giant failure and wouldn't have been able to compete at a top level anyways.  Lets just go ahead and get that out of the way.

For a roaming pvp mmo Darkfall, EVE, DAOC, UO, Planetside > *

For competition, ladders, "going pro" it's pretty obvious, Guild Wars, WoW.

As for the best pvp game that's always going to be subjective to the players desires.

Originally posted by mindw0rk

Originally posted by xTwiSteDx

Originally posted by mindw0rk

Originally posted by xTwiSteDx 

So running in circles and pressing 4 buttons in rotation is a better combat system without any skill needed at all other than to be able to circle strafe? 

Fail more. 

 

In WoW I have more then 50 different skills and abilites on hotbar and use them all constantly. 

In DF i had only shooting a blue crap spell and hitting a sword with 1 boring animation. Fun fun

 

 

that's because your were a noob, l2p. 

There are easily over a hundred spells in Darkfall. 

 

Than why in every mass pvp video with hardcore DF pvpers, they are running around spamming blue crap spell?

Combat system in DF sucks, end of discussion.

Because all the videos you see are from launch? There are about 500 spells in darkfall, only like 1/8 of them aren't very useful. If you want a ladder PvP game that requires skill GW. WoW requires grind to get level and gear which means the PvP boils down to gear>time>skill where in GW its Skill>everything else. DFO has the best PvP in terms of open world combat, sieges, player interactions, and requiring real player skill (twitch) to compete. If EvE had active combat, then it would probably be better, but its just too boring.

there is actually 10 magic schools of ~15 spells each so 150 spells currently. rumours of new school(s) being added in upcoming patch.

the "blue" spell is just the first spell you get, mana missile. you have to not be a complete noob and manage to kill the goblin starter mobs making enough money to buy new spells.

Best pvp game? Ultima Online. Period.

NOTHING comes even close to UO-PvP. No DAoC (nice PvP, surely better than WAR, but way behind UO), no Eve Online (from what I see out of videos; havn't played the game yet), no Guild Wars (it's more like Battlefield with fantasy gear and - of course - quite more depth; nice game), surely no WoW (although I like the pvp mechanics), especially no DF (quite fun to play, but pointless without skill cap - is it integrated now?), no Aion (POINTLESS flying, totally ridiculous) and no other game I tested so far.

Honestly: Everyone who hasn't played UO yet, and mentioning another game as best pvp game, should really give UO a try. It's not only the pvp mechanics (but you won't forget a duell between to masters of magery), it's the whole thing around it. Full Loot system  (gives craftery real sense), Open PvP in various forms (IDOCs!), several skills which enhance the pvp experience (stealth, hiding, stealing, tracking etc.).

No Hello Kitty online option?
 

Originally posted by TheHatter

Does nobody else realize that WoW doesn't really have PVP? It's a mini-game.

Well, although I kind of despise WoW, I have to side with WoW in this matter. You can not really compare it with games like UO, DF etc. It surely has no "meaningful pvp" - granted. But I had fun with WoWs PvP for several months. And I still log in from time to time to get into some BGs etc. The PvP mechanics works very well in WoW and is a lot of fun! You can compare it to Guild Wars (no sense in PvPing there too).

I love sandbox and really don't like WoW and all those WoW clones out there, but if you don't take WoW as an MMO, more like a battlefield or counterstrike (well in fact its much better than the latter, simply because you have kind of a connection to your char), it works very very well! Since UO I hadn't have so much fun PvPing. It really takes years to master your char (in my case rogue). Try makind duels with good players from all different classes. Without YEAR's of practise, you won't have a chance.

Don't make the mistake and expect anything beyond that in WoW.

Ultima Online without no doubts had the best pvp ever build in a mmorpg game imo.

Originally posted by kanaetr

Ultima Online without no doubts had the best pvp ever build in a mmorpg game imo.

Ironically, in all of my time playing UO...I hardly ever participated in PVP.  Well except for that 3 month stint in BaGook Tribe.

OP, purchase darkfall

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And Mortal Online blows DF combat away.

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if ever, I've played MO beta for a long time and the combat is not in any way better than dfs combat

Originally posted by mo0rbid

OP, purchase darkfall

 

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And Mortal Online blows DF combat away.

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if ever, I've played MO beta for a long time and the combat is not in any way better than dfs combat

Not even on paper?

Darkfall

The ironic thing is, neither Darkfall or (possibly) MO cant even reach the 10 year old  Arsheron's Call - Darktide to its knees. And on top of it all, its not even listed as an option!? while WAR, Aion and WoW pride the poll in its full pride and fail. Atleast put up an "other" option!

Originally posted by mindw0rk

Originally posted by xTwiSteDx

Originally posted by mindw0rk

Originally posted by xTwiSteDx 

So running in circles and pressing 4 buttons in rotation is a better combat system without any skill needed at all other than to be able to circle strafe? 

Fail more. 

 

In WoW I have more then 50 different skills and abilites on hotbar and use them all constantly. 

In DF i had only shooting a blue crap spell and hitting a sword with 1 boring animation. Fun fun

 

 

that's because your were a noob, l2p. 

There are easily over a hundred spells in Darkfall. 

 

Than why in every mass pvp video with hardcore DF pvpers, they are running around spamming blue crap spell?

Combat system in DF sucks, end of discussion.

you have obviously never played DF and if you had you probably only played for one day LOL, I could go buy WoW right now play one day and say it sucks too vanilla WoW was good but now its crap I could never go back I'm currently playing DF and its the best out there and this expansion is just making it 10x as epic so end of discussion no skill required in WoW auto target shit is gay