Hi, TheConfined. Your sign is interesting. Which prison are you currently living? 

Originally posted by MiteFiend

Originally posted by MortalOnline

Originally posted by MiteFiend

 

Still got beta access tho, hah.

 

 

Hmm, nope you dont!  

 

Also you just verified that people indeed did "pay for beta"! And wasn't just A PERK!  I let you sit on my money for 3 months.

My credit card has a maximum 3 month limit on refunds, and was planning on purchasing the game if/when it launches, and gets a few good reviews/updates. I wasnt interested in letting you hold my money for 6 months, so I got a legitamate refund for a 75$ boxed version that was 2 months late being shipped. So now you're going to single me out while out on your PR crusade. GG.

Yup you heard it here folks, Pay to beta test, it's not a perk.

Uh... no.  You got the beta access as a part of the game package.  You cancel your purchase, you lose everything it comes with.  In what world do you keep the included benefits of a package, if you refuse the package?  Quit trying to paint yourself as a victim.  I hate people that look at things illogically intentionally.  That's not ignorance, its stupidity, which is unforgivable.

Originally posted by MortalOnline

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Originally posted by MiteFiend

Originally posted by MortalOnline

Originally posted by MiteFiend

 

Still got beta access tho, hah.

 

 

Hmm, nope you dont!  

 

Wow you are fast. 5 mins after posting, you banned my account based on matching MMORPG/beta account names. No hard feelings here, but shouldn't you guys be working on your game and not monitoring MMORPG.com threads? Funny shit.

 

Funny, that they can ban on speculation, since they can't prove that account is yours. Just another reason to chalk this company up as a bunch of thieving scam artists. Sorry, but I really hate rude and obnoxious want-to-be employees of gaming companies trying to act all tough on public forums. Sorry, but you are between a rock and a hard place now and your public actions will definitely determine what a lot of prospective players will use to figure out whether this game is legitimately worth it or not.

 

Lol, speculation? I heard there were some matching names, mails and a refund done on his account.

Hmm, well. Lets say the developers are probabely working on their game atm. I am not  So no time taken from the game I suppose ;o)

And if I happened to mutilate a game with threads on this forum after some poor soul makes a beta account using my name, you going to ban him too? All I'm saying is, choose your PR comments wisely and people like me won't think your immature in your actions. Speaking specifically about public comments instead of private messages and spending more than 5 minutes doing your account research before banning. Ya, your a trigger-happy lil kid is what I got out of this, which is a reflection of the comany you work for.

Originally posted by MortalOnline

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Originally posted by MiteFiend

Originally posted by MortalOnline

Originally posted by MiteFiend

 

Still got beta access tho, hah.

 

 

Hmm, nope you dont!  

 

Wow you are fast. 5 mins after posting, you banned my account based on matching MMORPG/beta account names. No hard feelings here, but shouldn't you guys be working on your game and not monitoring MMORPG.com threads? Funny shit.

 

Funny, that they can ban on speculation, since they can't prove that account is yours. Just another reason to chalk this company up as a bunch of thieving scam artists. Sorry, but I really hate rude and obnoxious want-to-be employees of gaming companies trying to act all tough on public forums. Sorry, but you are between a rock and a hard place now and your public actions will definitely determine what a lot of prospective players will use to figure out whether this game is legitimately worth it or not.

 

Lol, speculation? I heard there were some matching names, mails and a refund done on his account.

Hmm, well. Lets say the developers are probabely working on their game atm. I am not  So no time taken from the game I suppose ;o)

Also, to those who don't know.  The devs usually go home around 12PM EST, they're in Sweden.  They've been off the clock for a few hours.  They're just checking to see what people are saying now that the NDA is dropped.  The OP helped them correct an account error, and they did it OFF THE CLOCK.  That's dedication 

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Originally posted by MortalOnline

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Originally posted by MiteFiend

Originally posted by MortalOnline

Originally posted by MiteFiend

 

Still got beta access tho, hah.

 

 

Hmm, nope you dont!  

 

Wow you are fast. 5 mins after posting, you banned my account based on matching MMORPG/beta account names. No hard feelings here, but shouldn't you guys be working on your game and not monitoring MMORPG.com threads? Funny shit.

 

Funny, that they can ban on speculation, since they can't prove that account is yours. Just another reason to chalk this company up as a bunch of thieving scam artists. Sorry, but I really hate rude and obnoxious want-to-be employees of gaming companies trying to act all tough on public forums. Sorry, but you are between a rock and a hard place now and your public actions will definitely determine what a lot of prospective players will use to figure out whether this game is legitimately worth it or not.

 

Lol, speculation? I heard there were some matching names, mails and a refund done on his account.

Hmm, well. Lets say the developers are probabely working on their game atm. I am not  So no time taken from the game I suppose ;o)

 

And if I happened to mutilate a game with threads on this forum after some poor soul makes a beta account using my name, you going to ban him too? All I'm saying is, choose your PR comments wisely and people like me won't think your immature in your actions. Speaking specifically about public comments instead of private messages and spending more than 5 minutes doing your account research before banning. Ya, your a trigger-happy lil kid is what I got out of this, which is a reflection of the comany you work for.

I could see your point of view if Mite didn't actually say what he said.
It's not like they guessed what account it was.
He said it was still active and that he could log in, they traced the account, they locked it.
The mite admits they closed the account.
 

There is no harm or foul here.
Other then his accont wasn't deactivated when he got his refund. 

I'm a little suprised though.
Why aren't you lambasting him for not reporting that his account was still active.
Mite was effectively steeling bandwidth everytime he logged in after getting an account.

It's like critisizing a cable company for shutting down someones cable after they cancel, but still continue to get paid cable.  The person is using something they have no right to use. 
Were I'm from, that's called theft.

It doesn't make Mite right just because someone from MO made a comment.

Better now then? =)

And regarding the account. The nick and e-mail matched. And it that account is connected to an order that is refunded it would have been wiped anyway. As long as your order is failed or refunded, the account should not be active anyways. So it was not done based on speculation my friend, and tbh, it did not matter if it was active or not since it would get blocked sooner or later anyway after the beta because of the refund.

This is why companies are reluctant to have public beta tests now. Players that get into beta are no longer trying to help the developers test the game and iron out bugs, but see it as a way to get early access to the game and assess it based on it's state in beta. Beta is for testing, not reviewing. Review a finished product, not one under development

Originally posted by MortalOnline

Better now then? =)

And regarding the account. The nick and e-mail matched. And it that account is connected to an order that is refunded it would have been wiped anyway. As long as your order is failed or refunded, the account should not be active anyways. So it was not done based on speculation my friend, and tbh, it did not matter if it was active or not since it would get blocked sooner or later anyway after the beta because of the refund.

Ok, so the account you banned had indeed failed to process the order or it did a chargeback, very well. I applaud you in your dedication to banning appropriate accounts, but that still doesn't help the fact people paid $75 for a game they were told would launch in September and it's now almost December with no "official" launch date in sight.

If your development team put in as much dedication to detail as you do with banning accounts, I'd care less about this thread. Thats not the case though is it. Which is why I always wonder about gaming companies that offer beta with pre-orders that are non-refundable. That right there just screams doubt on the part of the developers. Cause if you don't trust people to keep their pre-orders after trying beta, than your lack of confidence in your own game is truely the eye-opener.

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Originally posted by MortalOnline

Better now then? =)

And regarding the account. The nick and e-mail matched. And it that account is connected to an order that is refunded it would have been wiped anyway. As long as your order is failed or refunded, the account should not be active anyways. So it was not done based on speculation my friend, and tbh, it did not matter if it was active or not since it would get blocked sooner or later anyway after the beta because of the refund.

 

Ok, so the account you banned had indeed failed to process the order or it did a chargeback, very well. I applaud you in your dedication to banning appropriate accounts, but that still doesn't help the fact people paid $75 for a game they were told would launch in September and it's now almost December with no "official" launch date in sight.

If your development team put in as much dedication to detail as you do with banning accounts, I'd care less about this thread. Thats not the case though is it. Which is why I always wonder about gaming companies that offer beta with pre-orders that are non-refundable. That right there just screams doubt on the part of the developers. Cause if you don't trust people to keep their pre-orders after trying beta, than your lack of confidence in your own game is truely the eye-opener.

Imagine balancing the accounting books thinking you have a certain amount of money, a very small amount that may barely cover your costs, then suddenly the little money you have starts to disappear.  When you're strapped that tight, it makes sense not to offer refunds because, realistically, you need ALL the money you can get. 

If you cancel your order, you probably don't like the game.  They have a limited number of spots for testers.  Why keep one open for someone who dislikes the game and will not buy it, if you can give his spot to someone who will play the game and pay you?  Makes sense to me.  Besides, MO is being developed by an independent company with very limited funds.  They must be one of the only dev teams to actually say, "We're selling pre-orders with beta access because, let's face it, we need the money."  They're trying to make their dream game and doing whatever they can to help ensure that happens.  Surely you wouldn't knock them for that?  Especially with the economy the way it is, they need to procure as much funds as they can to make sure they don't get shut down prematurely.  It happens all too often.

I just want to say that while the game is not release ready, by any means, the devs have worked very hard on it since beta started and have actually accomplished a lot.  These guys stay up ridiculous hours sometimes just to get us a patch, and the game isn't even released.  Whether you like their product or not, you can't deny that these guys are devoted and truly believe in what they're making.  With a team that dedicated, it's hard to believe the game might be a 'scam' as some are calling it.  That's ridiculous.

Originally posted by tcosaddict

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Originally posted by MortalOnline

Better now then? =)

And regarding the account. The nick and e-mail matched. And it that account is connected to an order that is refunded it would have been wiped anyway. As long as your order is failed or refunded, the account should not be active anyways. So it was not done based on speculation my friend, and tbh, it did not matter if it was active or not since it would get blocked sooner or later anyway after the beta because of the refund.

 

Ok, so the account you banned had indeed failed to process the order or it did a chargeback, very well. I applaud you in your dedication to banning appropriate accounts, but that still doesn't help the fact people paid $75 for a game they were told would launch in September and it's now almost December with no "official" launch date in sight.

If your development team put in as much dedication to detail as you do with banning accounts, I'd care less about this thread. Thats not the case though is it. Which is why I always wonder about gaming companies that offer beta with pre-orders that are non-refundable. That right there just screams doubt on the part of the developers. Cause if you don't trust people to keep their pre-orders after trying beta, than your lack of confidence in your own game is truely the eye-opener.

 

Imagine balancing the accounting books thinking you have a certain amount of money, a very small amount that may barely cover your costs, then suddenly the little money you have starts to disappear.  When you're strapped that tight, it makes sense not to offer refunds because, realistically, you need ALL the money you can get. 

If you cancel your order, you probably don't like the game.  They have a limited number of spots for testers.  Why keep one open for someone who dislikes the game and will not buy it, if you can give his spot to someone who will play the game and pay you?  Makes sense to me.  Besides, MO is being developed by an independent company with very limited funds.  They must be one of the only dev teams to actually say, "We're selling pre-orders with beta access because, let's face it, we need the money."  They're trying to make their dream game and doing whatever they can to help ensure that happens.  Surely you wouldn't knock them for that?  Especially with the economy the way it is, they need to procure as much funds as they can to make sure they don't get shut down prematurely.  It happens all too often.

I just want to say that while the game is not release ready, by any means, the devs have worked very hard on it since beta started and have actually accomplished a lot.  These guys stay up ridiculous hours sometimes just to get us a patch, and the game isn't even released.  Whether you like their product or not, you can't deny that these guys are devoted and truly believe in what they're making.  With a team that dedicated, it's hard to believe the game might be a 'scam' as some are calling it.  That's ridiculous.

Funcom was an indy company when they produced Anarchy Online which at the time had some of the worst reviews in history at launch and Age of Conan promised a lot during its beta and launch and delivered maybe 1/2 of it. It's not easy being an indy company, everyone knows that, but if you can't budget your own expenses well enough to manage full production, than either you need an accountant or you need better marketing to gain some capital investors.

I'm all for new gaming companies evolving to help keep other gaming companies on their toes. Problem is, theres been more than one attempt in the past by indy gaming companies to mislead and take advantage of their customers. If what you said about them stating pre-orders are available to help fund the game is true and it was stated as such on their own website, than all is well. I will go see what my research uncovers and we'll see just how legitimate your statement is.

EDIT: After searching through the game's website, I saw no details in their Online Store that leads me to believe they are doing pre-orders cause they are almost broke. Maybe they stated it somewhere on the forums, which by my gamer standards is very unlikely to be visited by anyone.

Want some cheese with your whine?

[quote]"There's a difference between being negative/positive and lies. That guy posts lies,"[/quote]

lol of course he doesn't even give one example of anything I lied about...typical fanboi retardedness

[quote]These guys stay up ridiculous hours sometimes just to get us a patch, and the game isn't even released. Whether you like their product or not, you can't deny that these guys are devoted and truly believe in what they're making. With a team that dedicated, it's hard to believe the game might be a 'scam' as some are calling it. That's ridiculous.[/quote]

so because they are working hard at creating a piece of shit makes that piece of shit extra special some how?  sure they are dedicated but what the fuck does that mean when their product is still worthless?  It's not ridiculous to call it a scam because thats exactly what it fucking is.  They are charging people to help them test their unfinished product and did so by lying to people about what the product really was.

Imagine it like this...one day youre reading the newspaper and you read an article about this new restaraunt and they tell you they have the most amazing food you'll ever eat in your life and tell you all the things that are going to be there and show you pictures of how amazing it looks and your mouth starts watering.  You then find out the restaraunt isn't open yet but its due to open real soon and if you give a down payment youll get access to previews of the restaraunt with free samples of food for you too try as well as a spot on opening day. 

Ok so you give this overpriced down payment and are told the restaraunt will be opening in about 3 months.  You get your free food samples and they taste like complete shit and are nothing like what you were told or shown and then you go and complain and say "wtf is this shit?" only to be told "sorry thats just the placeholder meal, its not the real thing but believe us we have the real thing and its amazing!  youll just have to wait!  This same exact event occurs over and over and now its been 5 months...2 months later than the restaraunt was suppose to open!

You ask the restaraunt manager for a refund but you are denied...despite the fact that they broke their contract and then you are told you only want the refund because you don't like their currently unfinished product and that you have to wait for the finished one to make a real judgment.  So now they are refusing to give you what you paid for and are refusing to give you you're money back.

This has been exactly what Star Vault has done.

WHAT THE FUCK IS A SCAM, IF THATS NOT?  PLEASE TELL ME, K THX.

Henrik(SV CEO) should be brought up on criminal charges and everyone should be refunded

Originally posted by MortalOnline

Better now then? =)

And regarding the account. The nick and e-mail matched. And it that account is connected to an order that is refunded it would have been wiped anyway. As long as your order is failed or refunded, the account should not be active anyways. So it was not done based on speculation my friend, and tbh, it did not matter if it was active or not since it would get blocked sooner or later anyway after the beta because of the refund.

Seriously, you work for the company? I mean, really? You banned an account, ok. You may be right to do that. That's ok too. But i cannot understand why a company representive comes and continues the thread with "lol"s and smileys. What are you, 13 year old? The funny thing is, after i watched videos of Mortal Online, i wanted to buy it. Lots of people criticized it, but i liked it. Really. But now, i hold no interest to the game. If your "answers" are like this, i began to question the company. Congrats, you just lost a customer.

Originally posted by TheConfined

Plz learn2read Daarco

"Hi, Ive been playing Mortal Online since day 1 of beta and I have around 100+ hours of play time invested between all the games patches up until today"

I clearly stated that I've played every build from the first to the most current and of course I'm giving the most updated opinion possible.

"And who forced you to get the game? Did someone twist your arm? I have also followed MO since day one, but i thought "hmm, im gonna wait a couple of months before geting it!" why didnt you?"

Um because I wanted to see what the game was actually about maybe?  No one forced me to get it but wtf does that have to do with anything?  I'm just reviewing the current state of the game and the state it is in is complete shit and I am spending my time letting everyone else know this because I don't want to see people get ripped off and I don't want people like SV getting more business because they do not deserve it.

"And how is MO today? Almost no point in telling how it was three months ago."

its exactly like I just said it is...even today...even after all those patches it still is garbage and ALWAYS will be

Hey, where can I pick up one of those crystal balls?

Originally posted by Necropsie

Originally posted by MortalOnline

Better now then? =)

And regarding the account. The nick and e-mail matched. And it that account is connected to an order that is refunded it would have been wiped anyway. As long as your order is failed or refunded, the account should not be active anyways. So it was not done based on speculation my friend, and tbh, it did not matter if it was active or not since it would get blocked sooner or later anyway after the beta because of the refund.

Seriously, you work for the company? I mean, really? You banned an account, ok. You may be right to do that. That's ok too. But i cannot understand why a company representive comes and continues the thread with "lol"s and smileys. What are you, 13 year old? The funny thing is, after i watched videos of Mortal Online, i wanted to buy it. Lots of people criticized it, but i liked it. Really. But now, i hold no interest to the game. If your "answers" are like this, i began to question the company. Congrats, you just lost a customer.

Seriously, your going to judge a product by a single employee if he even is one and not just say a friend of an employee. I mean thats like for example you going to a restaurant and sending the food back because the cook talks in spanish. If the product is good than whats the problem? Out of all the MMO's ive played so far MO has had the most interactive devs that aren't exactly buisness men but they feel more down the earth and actually joke and also rant with us on the forums.

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Originally posted by MortalOnline

Better now then? =)

And regarding the account. The nick and e-mail matched. And it that account is connected to an order that is refunded it would have been wiped anyway. As long as your order is failed or refunded, the account should not be active anyways. So it was not done based on speculation my friend, and tbh, it did not matter if it was active or not since it would get blocked sooner or later anyway after the beta because of the refund.

 

Ok, so the account you banned had indeed failed to process the order or it did a chargeback, very well. I applaud you in your dedication to banning appropriate accounts, but that still doesn't help the fact people paid $75 for a game they were told would launch in September and it's now almost December with no "official" launch date in sight.

If your development team put in as much dedication to detail as you do with banning accounts, I'd care less about this thread. Thats not the case though is it. Which is why I always wonder about gaming companies that offer beta with pre-orders that are non-refundable. That right there just screams doubt on the part of the developers. Cause if you don't trust people to keep their pre-orders after trying beta, than your lack of confidence in your own game is truely the eye-opener.

No.
Wasn't supposed to launch in Sep.  Everyone that ordered the game knew this.  It was listed in the shop and very clear.
The boxes were supposed to be shipped in Sep. the game launched by the end of Q4.

They've also updated us on the status of the boxes.
Several times.

Also,
If companies offered refunds for games that allowed you access to the beta, then a LOT more people would just order the game and then use the beta to preview if they like it, then get a refund if they didn't.  The fact that you can't get a refund means that you're should be less likely to only order to preview the game, and if you do order, it should mean that your'e serious about helping with testing or truelly interested in playing when it releases.

Originally posted by Abloec

People always say pay to play beta, which I think its totally retarded, if you thought that way why in the hell did you buy the game I mean seriously..... I wish SV had a work around for people that think like you and could give you what your saying you paid for the beta, and not send you your finished copy of the game, because guess what thats what you paid for.

The big problem with your statement is the only thing he got in return for his transaction is beta access and a broken promise.  SV broke their part of the agreement and he is entitled to a refund if he wishes.   

Originally posted by thinktank001

Originally posted by Abloec

People always say pay to play beta, which I think its totally retarded, if you thought that way why in the hell did you buy the game I mean seriously..... I wish SV had a work around for people that think like you and could give you what your saying you paid for the beta, and not send you your finished copy of the game, because guess what thats what you paid for.

 

 

The big problem with your statement is the only thing he got in return for his transaction is beta access and a broken promise.  SV broke their part of the agreement and he is entitled to a refund if he wishes.   

No they didn't.

 

Originally posted by TheConfined

[quote]"There's a difference between being negative/positive and lies. That guy posts lies,"[/quote]

lol of course he doesn't even give one example of anything I lied about...typical fanboi retardedness

[quote]These guys stay up ridiculous hours sometimes just to get us a patch, and the game isn't even released. Whether you like their product or not, you can't deny that these guys are devoted and truly believe in what they're making. With a team that dedicated, it's hard to believe the game might be a 'scam' as some are calling it. That's ridiculous.[/quote]

so because they are working hard at creating a piece of shit makes that piece of shit extra special some how?  sure they are dedicated but what the fuck does that mean when their product is still worthless?  It's not ridiculous to call it a scam because thats exactly what it fucking is.  They are charging people to help them test their unfinished product and did so by lying to people about what the product really was.

Imagine it like this...one day youre reading the newspaper and you read an article about this new restaraunt and they tell you they have the most amazing food you'll ever eat in your life and tell you all the things that are going to be there and show you pictures of how amazing it looks and your mouth starts watering.  You then find out the restaraunt isn't open yet but its due to open real soon and if you give a down payment youll get access to previews of the restaraunt with free samples of food for you too try as well as a spot on opening day. 

Ok so you give this overpriced down payment and are told the restaraunt will be opening in about 3 months.  You get your free food samples and they taste like complete shit and are nothing like what you were told or shown and then you go and complain and say "wtf is this shit?" only to be told "sorry thats just the placeholder meal, its not the real thing but believe us we have the real thing and its amazing!  youll just have to wait!  This same exact event occurs over and over and now its been 5 months...2 months later than the restaraunt was suppose to open!

You ask the restaraunt manager for a refund but you are denied...despite the fact that they broke their contract and then you are told you only want the refund because you don't like their currently unfinished product and that you have to wait for the finished one to make a real judgment.  So now they are refusing to give you what you paid for and are refusing to give you you're money back.

This has been exactly what Star Vault has done.

WHAT THE FUCK IS A SCAM, IF THATS NOT?  PLEASE TELL ME, K THX.

Henrik(SV CEO) should be brought up on criminal charges and everyone should be refunded

 

You can’t polish poop.

busted

Adam and Jamie visited a zoo to obtain a variety of feces to try to polish. They tried to pick the most polishable candidates and baked them to remove the moisture. Adam tried to shine his poop with a buffing wheel, while Jamie reasoned that using a wax polish would result in a shine. Adam eventually sought the advice of an outside expert, who showed him that it was possible to apply a shine to dirt with a tedious technique. Applying this technique, Adam and Jamie were able to obtain very polished poop without using any foreign materials like polish.
 

Ok well since your taking this to the point of comparing this to a piece of food you should also realize that just because you don't like a piece of food doesn't mean someone else does, {mod edit} Everyone has their own opinions on the game just because you didn't like it doesn't mean someone else wont.

Originally posted by thinktank001

Originally posted by Abloec

People always say pay to play beta, which I think its totally retarded, if you thought that way why in the hell did you buy the game I mean seriously..... I wish SV had a work around for people that think like you and could give you what your saying you paid for the beta, and not send you your finished copy of the game, because guess what thats what you paid for.

 

 

The big problem with your statement is the only thing he got in return for his transaction is beta access and a broken promise.  SV broke their part of the agreement and he is entitled to a refund if he wishes.   

I never was arguing that he shouldn't get a refund I was arguing his statement of we bought beta basically, people continue to say that we are paying for beta when in reality the thing I looked at and clicked buy for is the finished product of MO. Beta is a perk included with the purchase of guess what the final product of MO.

When did they break their promise, I mean seriously me personally id prefer that they wait till the game is actually finished before sending out the boxes, if he wants to get a refund for it fine let him, but to me there is no weight to your comment of a broken promise because they haven't broken any promise.