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  Domiago

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11/21/09 10:46:42 AM#41

I've had poor experiences with MMO stealth classes in several games and have hope that Bioware gets it right. Although the stealth mechanics often worked as expected there were three problems. The first was falling out of stealth during your attack and revealing yourself to nearby foe. Similarly, if you were sniping a target it usually sent an alarm that caused those close by to give chase. This usually lead to the second problem, which was "active" crowd control. While you can sometimes plan ahead and sap a few before a kill, if you are dealing with a large crowd of targets things will often require active crowd controls to manage those numbers. The third and biggest problem I always seemed to have was that stealth classes usually sucked in PvP unless they were backed up by other stealthers or a pocket healer (stupid Witch Hunters). It was as if the stealth mechanics suddenly stopped working and again without active crowd controls you were a sitting duck.

A few things Bioware may do right, I hope is this:

1. Because each class is given class specific questing thru the story arc it should at least be fun and often soloable as stealthers generally go.

2. They are able to use environmental cover and hopefully while sniping from that cover be difficult to spot.

3. The use of specialized grenades could allow for the active crowd control they might need if things get busy.

4. Stealth classes are usually the last to be balanced out. Hopefully they don't wait. And with that a small suggestion. This class usually deploys very high burst damage while protected by the weakest armor in the game. Don't balance it that way. PLEASE! Instead, challenge the player's skills and make those crit kills a positional requirement. As part of their unique HUD it could include the "potential" crit % of an attack launched as they circle a target or take a sniper's bead from a distance. Their armor and gear are allowing them to stealth, it should greatly influence how difficult it will be to target them.

5. It's Bioware dammit and they makes some awesome games. Given the small number of classes I think they could do this one right with enough focus.

 

/steps off soapbox

  nekollx

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11/21/09 11:32:34 AM#42
Originally posted by aurick

 While such a class can be a lot of fun in a single player game, I have serious misgivings about it in an MMO.  Yeah, it's really cool that the player is able to clear an entire level without triggering an alarm, but what are his friends doing in the meantime?  Alt+tabbing so that they can play hearts while they wait?

probably clearing one side while the combat classes are on the other side rising a stink, making noise and leaving a patch to the Item of Power more or less open for the IA...

  RoosterNash

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Revolution through Destruction!

11/21/09 12:58:30 PM#43
Originally posted by kyte317
Originally posted by MMO_Doubter
Originally posted by RoosterNash 

 

lawl at you! KOTOR is actually a massive IP, comparable to the movies. But you would know that, because you have all the unforeseen answers. Don't you? Blizzard spy.

"Comparable to the movies"?

I think that clears up any doubt as to your rationality regarding this subject.

"Blizzard spy"?

I guess you haven't been following the threads about the recent addition of a cash shop to WoW.

You have shamed yourself with this post, not me.

 

Quoted for truth.

You could ask 1000 people who saw the original star wars when it came out in the 1970's what "the old republic timeline" meant. Maybe 1/3 of them would get it.

Or better yet, get a group of people that are not from the the sci-fi demographic/mmo demographic and they could tell you that Star Wars was a Sci-Fi movie with "laser swords and psychic powers" at the least

Ask those same people what kotor was, or "the old republic" in star wars and you'll get some funny looks.

People know star wars who haven't seen it.

People don't know the expanded univerise unless they seek it.


 

I was talking about Star Wars fanbois exclusively, but I get what you're saying regarding outsiders. But even then, there are a large number of people who aren't Star Wars fanbois who still love KOTOR, if only the game. It was the best selling game during the year of it's release, I believe. But I wasn't a die hard fanboi until AFTER I played KOTOR and began reading about the Old Republic. And I'm almost positive that I'm not that rare of a breed, though I like to pretend I am sometimes.

As far as people who saw the movies in the '70's, well, they're all dead now or something right? I mean, wasn't it a post-Vietnam-era experiment to gage the reaction of vets in a sci-fi encounter. And didn't something like half the vets in the theaters across the U.S. end up killing each other for fear of the Dark Side? 

That's exactly what happened. So, it goes without saying, but... in your face.

THE Rooster Nash

  RoosterNash

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Revolution through Destruction!

11/21/09 1:10:34 PM#44
Originally posted by MMO_Doubter
Originally posted by RoosterNash 

 

[sarcasm]lawl at you! KOTOR is actually a massive IP, comparable to the movies. But you would know that, because you have all the unforeseen answers. Don't you? Blizzard spy.[/sarcasm]

"Comparable to the movies"?

I think that clears up any doubt as to your rationality regarding this subject.

"Blizzard spy"?

I guess you haven't been following the threads about the recent addition of a cash shop to WoW.

You have shamed yourself with this post, not me.


 

People are always telling me to use those little sarcasm boxes when I speak, but I neglected to in this instance, because not only is it a complete waste of time, but so is talking to you, really. You oft give off the impression that you know something, when you've only read it from one source. So, in your tradition, I took the liberty of typing up a bit of drabble in your honor!

You're welcome!

P.S. What exactly does the cash shop in WoW have to do with anything? Is it my "Blizzard spy" comment? Did you put that shop there...? o.Omg you did... Tell your leaders that they're idiots, then. Releasing a cash shop that sells meaningless little toys for your toon to do whatever with is the end of WoW. Not everything following vanilla, mind you. Just this cash shop. Now, we all know that WoW has truly turned... to the dark side. And, so, it goes without saying, that you TOO have joined! Haven't you??

THE Rooster Nash

  User Deleted
11/21/09 1:23:02 PM#45
Originally posted by leumasx7
Originally posted by Stradden

The recently revealed Imperial Agent class in Star Wars: The Old Republic provides the Empire with a hefty dose of subtlety and intrigue. While many classes, like say the Sith Warrior, barge through levels with their lightsabers blazing, the Imperial Agent uses stealth and tactics to quietly creep up on her enemies.

LucasArts and Bioware put on a press demonstration last week in San Francisco to give us the first chance to see these guys in action. While it was quite clearly very early - we were told to imagine the "stealth" effect as the character snuck around on a massive theatre screen in the LucasArts compound - this class adds something to the Star Wars world that has never really been the focus before: subtlety.

 

"the Imperial Agent uses stealth and tactics to quietly creep up on her enemies."

Shouldn't be his/her... his or her.

 

 

The "politically correct" way to put it would be "their enemies", but his/her is fine, too.

  jaer

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Joined: 8/31/09
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11/21/09 2:49:14 PM#46
Originally posted by ghettobooste

That Imperial Agent is the spittin' image of former Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy minus the gun of course.

He even looks like he is getting the nickel defense ready with the headset.

 

Spot on :P

 

 

 

  MMO_Doubter

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11/21/09 3:25:41 PM#47
Originally posted by WSIMike

The "politically correct" way to put it would be "their enemies", but his/her is fine, too.

"Their" is grammatically incorrect. It implies more than one person. His or her is awkward, but correct.

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  AkumaDaimyo

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11/21/09 3:48:57 PM#48
Originally posted by Phry

they dont use stealth, but use a magical belt of invisibility that allows them to pass by unseen......

 

If you played Kotor you would know such things exist. Your post is fail.

  grimfall

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11/21/09 6:09:21 PM#49
Originally posted by AkumaDaimyo
Originally posted by Phry

they dont use stealth, but use a magical belt of invisibility that allows them to pass by unseen......

 

If you played Kotor you would know such things exist. Your post is fail.

 

He's saying "they don't use stealth, they use stealth called something else."   Isn't "invisibility that allows them to pass by unseen" the way stealth is used in most MMO's?

  Mysk

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11/21/09 11:14:51 PM#50
Originally posted by MMO_Doubter
Originally posted by WSIMike

The "politically correct" way to put it would be "their enemies", but his/her is fine, too.

"Their" is grammatically incorrect. It implies more than one person. His or her is awkward, but correct.

 

Not necessarily.  It works both ways.  For more information see: www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/their.html


I probably don't follow the threads that I post in. If you want me to see a response then feel free to PM me.

  Onitora

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Posts: 37

11/22/09 4:32:14 AM#51
Originally posted by Mysk
Originally posted by MMO_Doubter
Originally posted by WSIMike

The "politically correct" way to put it would be "their enemies", but his/her is fine, too.

"Their" is grammatically incorrect. It implies more than one person. His or her is awkward, but correct.

 

Not necessarily.  It works both ways.  For more information see: www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/their.html


 

Your link actually supports the argument you're challenging.  : )  'Their' is plural, i.e. more than one.  So the article stated:

'...the Imperial Agent uses stealth and tactics to quietly creep up on her enemies.'  = Correct

IMO, it probably would have been better worded like this:

'...the Imperial Agent uses stealth and tactics to quietly creep up on enemies.'

Or:

'...Imperial Agents use stealth and tactics to quietly creep up on their enemies.'


Always glad to see some people can still pay attention to things like grammar and make an effort not to come across like teeny-bopper, chat-room-dwelling, net-speaking simpletons....

  Yuui

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11/22/09 4:56:47 AM#52

This mmorpg is the biggest mistake Bioware will ever make.


Let's hope that when this ....thing is canceled, arrogant people at Bioware will see their mistake and commit on to develop KOTOR III, instead of Yet another mmo.

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  drel

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Posts: 923

11/22/09 7:59:03 AM#53

I guess I'm in the wait and see mode. Don't know how linear the gameplay is going to be yet. When is it suppose to be released?

  Isane

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11/22/09 10:18:18 AM#54
Originally posted by nate1980

My problem with stealth classes in Bioware games is that stealthing is a chore, since you have NPC party members that don't stealth. So you have to leave them at the door somewhere, stealth ahead of them, and then go back for them. So in Bioware games where I did play a class that could stealth, I never put points into that ability since I hated leaving my crew behind or having to go back and get them.

 

Thios is an online MMO ., you play the one charachter .... not sure waht you are saying is at all relevant.

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  Isane

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11/22/09 10:23:12 AM#55
Originally posted by Yuui

This mmorpg is the biggest mistake Bioware will ever make.


Let's hope that when this ....thing is canceled, arrogant people at Bioware will see their mistake and commit on to develop KOTOR III, instead of Yet another mmo.

 

What a complete and utter fool.... This game will be phenomenal from the content they are producing and the engine being used.... They have a very high probability of being very very succesful.

FOR real KOTOR fans this will be way better than more of the same dross.

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  User Deleted
11/22/09 12:24:31 PM#56

Is that former Colts coach Tony Dungy pictured on the front page screenshot?

  RansomDenton

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11/22/09 1:55:31 PM#57

IMHO

So this here shuttle craft affords no protection but that barrel over there does because it has a blue glowing statue? Wow ya um I can stand behind a tree in LOTRO and gain cover now...life size blue glowy statues make the game very realistic when a trooper can stand behind a smug and still get killed because he is not on the blue glowy thingy and does not have the ability to be in cover...I smell epic fail on this monkey but we shall see.

  Scorchien

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11/22/09 1:59:09 PM#58
Originally posted by Jammaslam

Is that former Colts coach Tony Dungy pictured on the front page screenshot?

 

LMAO , you beat me to it , was gonna post the same thing ..

  TypeOne

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11/22/09 6:16:46 PM#59
Originally posted by metalhead980
Originally posted by XAleX360

What the fuck are you blatering of?

 

This game has all the MMO elements you would ever need, from social activities to economy, crafting&harvesting, PvP combat, raids and everything else. They already confirmed it.

Otherwise, how could they even think of challenging World of Warcraft? Don't forget that Electronic Arts is set to do exactly that. They tried Mythic and Warhammer with WO, now they are putting their money on Bioware and Star Wars. And this time, they may actually succeed.

Until now, Bioware only talked about their unique take on MMOs which, unsurprisingly, involves deep storylines, class arcs, NPC interactions just like the ones we are used to in their single player games; except now they will be applied to a MMORPG, which is a massive innovation by itself for the genre.

After playing Dragon Age, I have even more faith that Bioware can pull it off. They showed they can do great dungeon, bosses and story with a gameplay very akin to MMO ones, especially WoW. Beta will come soon anyway, and everyone will be able to judge then.

While I do enjoy sandbox games I am also looking forward to TOR.

The last good MMO/CO-Rpg that released with a great story was Guild Wars.

I'm hoping TOR delivers a single player rpg type experience. If that means the game will be 99% solo centric then so be it.

Leaving out repetitive raids,dungeons and pvp mini game may be bad for the mmo crowd but it would totally turn me onto the game.

I don't want EQ/WoWs version of the SW universe.

 

I was going to respond to the illogical and negative posts that flood this update along with all the other threads referencing this game, but this one says it all. 

  Xondar123

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11/22/09 7:00:33 PM#60
Originally posted by Yuui

This mmorpg is the biggest mistake Bioware will ever make.


Let's hope that when this ....thing is canceled, arrogant people at Bioware will see their mistake and commit on to develop KOTOR III, instead of Yet another mmo.

 

Why are you posting on this website again? Oh right, lame attempts at trolling...

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