Originally posted by nate1980

My problem with stealth classes in Bioware games is that stealthing is a chore, since you have NPC party members that don't stealth. So you have to leave them at the door somewhere, stealth ahead of them, and then go back for them. So in Bioware games where I did play a class that could stealth, I never put points into that ability since I hated leaving my crew behind or having to go back and get them.

I always love stealth in Bioware, The tactic seems to be the same in all Bio games: Set some snares, Sneak to your enimes backstab one, run to were your guys are waiting and when enemies are close to your party the snare takes some and your party takes care of the rest.

I Will love this class but I wonder how good will it be in pvp, this type of class are normaly or OP or just to weak in pvp.

well, you gave away one major thing. Final two classes will be shown by Dec 3rd.  That alone was worth reading this article!

 Agree!

 I think this will be a very interesting class and is one of the classes I must try out the most

Originally posted by leumasx7

actually, it isn't even kotor. if anyone pay attention to biowares site for the game. its planned as a pickup years/ centuries after the end of the movies. and all.

 

Also, combat system does not work like kotor. more faster paced really.

Now, I haven't followed the game extremely closely, but I'm pretty darned sure that it picks up some centuries after the time of the KOTOR games, not the movies. Is that not correct? After all, it's still "The Old Republic" :)

Can't wait to find out what the last two classes are going to be.

Originally posted by leumasx7

"the Imperial Agent uses stealth and tactics to quietly creep up on her enemies."

Shouldn't be his/her... his or her.

 

Actually, in many circles, it's considered proper grammar to use "her" when referring to an  individual whose gender is not revealed....or when simply referencing a generic person placed in a given situation.

This game is beginning to interest me. Please keep the info coming!

Looks like a really interesting class to play, both in gameplay and immersion. I dislike my chars being too heroic so I love the low key profile on these guys.

Really happy about this, strongly anticipating the last 2 class info for TOR on Dec 3rd.

Looks like a single player game with a subscription fee to me.

Who cares bout the classes, I want to learn about the "free" world, the crafting/gathering, the economy, the items and different types of NPC's, PVP and the meaning of PVP, ability to go evil?, these are the things that will make A MMORPG, classes are ine very single player game, BIOWARE U are a great single player game maker, I highly doubt u will have the slighest clue on how to make a longevity interesting mmorpg. O well.

Does anyone else think the guy in these pictures looks like Tony Dungy...NFL head coach or Imperial spy?

Hmmm I always remember his being used when the gender is unknown and that they started doing the his or her for political correctness. But I realize that they do gender classes like the Captain in Lotro is considered female etc.

I miss Star Wars.

IF ONLY THEY'D HAD INVISIBLE BELTS ON ENDOR, THEN THE SHIELD GENERATOR COULD'VE REALLY EASILY BEEN BLOWN UP AND THEY WOULDN'T HAVE NEEDED EWOKS AT ALL.

I miss Star Wars.

Originally posted by aesperus

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

Sounds like they've already been shown the last two TOR classes.

Well, I guess those will make a nice post-Thanksgiving treat for the rest of us lol     

 

Aye, though they may as well have just said "the last class".

Unless I missed a PR (I honestly haven't been following the game as closely as I used to), then they still haven't released the Jedi class, and I think it's pretty much a given that there's going to be one. Especially since they have the sith warrior. Which would mean 1 last class + the jedi class.

Will be interesting to see what they come up w/.

The Jedi Knight class was already revealed.  Are you saying there was a second Jedi class announced?

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter  

AS for popularity - well, swords and sorcery tends to be more popular than Science Fiction. Look at the numbers of each type of MMO out there.

 

Star Wars is a huge IP - but this isn't the Star Wars of the movies - it's KOTOR. A much smaller IP.

I almost always think you are right MMO Doubter, but not this time. This time I think you are very wrong. Fantasy MMOs may seem incredibly popular right now, but the market is absolutely glutted with them. They seem like a sure-fire hit because World of Warcraft's dominance. I bet things would be much different in the MMOverse if Blizzard had made Worlds of Starcraft instead of World of Warcraft.

As it stands I think people are tiring of fantasy MMOs (I know I am,) and this is one reason why people are clamouring for Star Trek Online and Star Wars: The Old Republic. I think the age of sci-fi MMOs will dawn with these two games, no matter what negative things you can say about them.

Also claiming that "KOTOR is a much smaller IP" is like travelling back in time 5 years or so and saying "World of Warcraft won't be that big, Warcraft is a small IP. Much smaller than Lord of the Rings."

Originally posted by leumasx7

actually, it isn't even kotor. if anyone pay attention to biowares site for the game. its planned as a pickup years/ centuries after the end of the movies. and all.

 

Also, combat system does not work like kotor. more faster paced really.

Centuries after the movies? I think you mean to say "Centuries after KOTOR" which would be millennia before the movies. It's definitely still set in The Old Republic that we were introduced to in Knights of The Old Republic, hence the name "Star Wars: The Old Republic."

Edit: The devs have also made direct reference to KOTOR characters, i.e. Darth Revan, so there is a definite story continuity there as well.

That Imperial Agent is the spittin' image of former Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy minus the gun of course.

He even looks like he is getting the nickel defense ready with the headset.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by XAleX360

What the fuck are you blatering of?

 

This game has all the MMO elements you would ever need, from social activities to economy, crafting&harvesting, PvP combat, raids and everything else. They already confirmed it.

Otherwise, how could they even think of challenging World of Warcraft? Don't forget that Electronic Arts is set to do exactly that. They tried Mythic and Warhammer with WO, now they are putting their money on Bioware and Star Wars. And this time, they may actually succeed.

Until now, Bioware only talked about their unique take on MMOs which, unsurprisingly, involves deep storylines, class arcs, NPC interactions just like the ones we are used to in their single player games; except now they will be applied to a MMORPG, which is a massive innovation by itself for the genre.

After playing Dragon Age, I have even more faith that Bioware can pull it off. They showed they can do great dungeon, bosses and story with a gameplay very akin to MMO ones, especially WoW. Beta will come soon anyway, and everyone will be able to judge then.

It seems like you have already judged. You have just reached a different verdict.

PvP, crafting,raids? Well, if there is one crafting profession, one arena for team-based PvP, and a couple of raid-size 'dungeons', then what they have claimed will be factually accurate.

Will it be satisfying to the general MMO crowd? You tell me.

 

AS for popularity - well, swords and sorcery tends to be more popular than Science Fiction. Look at the numbers of each type of MMO out there.

 

Star Wars is a huge IP - but this isn't the Star Wars of the movies - it's KOTOR. A much smaller IP.

lawl at you! KOTOR is actually a massive IP, comparable to the movies. But you would know that, because you have all the unforeseen answers. Don't you? Blizzard spy.

Originally posted by RoosterNash 

 

lawl at you! KOTOR is actually a massive IP, comparable to the movies. But you would know that, because you have all the unforeseen answers. Don't you? Blizzard spy.

"Comparable to the movies"?

I think that clears up any doubt as to your rationality regarding this subject.

"Blizzard spy"?

I guess you haven't been following the threads about the recent addition of a cash shop to WoW.

You have shamed yourself with this post, not me.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by RoosterNash 

 

lawl at you! KOTOR is actually a massive IP, comparable to the movies. But you would know that, because you have all the unforeseen answers. Don't you? Blizzard spy.

"Comparable to the movies"?

I think that clears up any doubt as to your rationality regarding this subject.

"Blizzard spy"?

I guess you haven't been following the threads about the recent addition of a cash shop to WoW.

You have shamed yourself with this post, not me.

Quoted for truth.

You could ask 1000 people who saw the original star wars when it came out in the 1970's what "the old republic timeline" meant. Maybe 1/3 of them would get it.

Or better yet, get a group of people that are not from the the sci-fi demographic/mmo demographic and they could tell you that Star Wars was a Sci-Fi movie with "laser swords and psychic powers" at the least

Ask those same people what kotor was, or "the old republic" in star wars and you'll get some funny looks.

People know star wars who haven't seen it.

People don't know the expanded univerise unless they seek it.

So has there been any information on the common area or main starting city? I know its so called story driven but if its an MMO it will have the usual rally area where players can all meet up to go on their story driven adventure? I picture a city with around 2K players all looking for groups to do the story driven adventure. Because the alternative is a server lobby listing activve games and active players that you can log in and join. If thats the case its not an MMO anymore than counterstrike is an MMO.