Meaning if you lose your ship all you get is the insurance for the ship but lose everything else (like modules which often cost as much as the ship)?

If so, does warp jamming work as before? Meaning that there are 2x warp jammers but only 1x warp jamming defence modules (unless in very extreme cases)?

Reason I am asking is because I am thinking about resubbing but not sure I would like to go through losing hours of work because a gank squad warp jams me and kill my BS with all modules I have spent hours collecting.

when you lose your ship, unless you've taken out a higher level of insurance (gold platinum etc) you just get the basic payoff, some of the modules that your ship was equipped with, and some of the cargo, may well remain with the wreck, but, unless your friends pick it up straight away, its likely to be looted by whatever just killed you (if it wasnt an npc that is!) sadly, this is a mechanic often utilised in high sec ganking to obtain the cargo's, of anyone daft enough to be travelling on autopilot with a valuable item(s) on board.

Not much has changed in those departments.

Though I believe that the whole warp scram/jam situation has changed somewhat. There are now longer-ranged warp jammers that only have a scram strength of 1, but a range of 24km. -Most- solo (and even small gang) gankers rely on the longer-range scrams because they're...well...longer range.

If you're really concerned about getting ganked then you can fit three warp stabs, but you'll be totally screwing your stats. The whole point of warp stabs, imo, is really for blockade running. If you're out in a situation where you can easily be ganked (ease of being ganked is entirely dependent on YOU though) then you shouldn't be flying anything you can't afford to lose.

Eve is a game that more than anything emphasizes learning. Learning that flying a bigger ship is not always better. Learning what to fly in which sector. Learning what to risk and when to risk it.

 ok so one PvP death could then mean losing hours of farming still then?

Or is ISK easier to come by these days? For a regular player that is, not someone who can produce T2 ships and sell.

Back when I was playing I remember a BS costing around 100 Mil and the modules another 100 Mil. One death would give you back about 80 M, if you had a good insurance, so that gave you a loss of 120 M plus having to run around and find those modules again, which could take hours.

Not sure if I want to go through all that again but there are no good MMORPGs out there right now... need MMORPG shot... ugh 

almost forgot, warp jamming, warp disruptors II's can jam your drive from 24km away, scrambler II's about 9km the thing about scramblers though is that they also affect mwd's - and one of the reasons that afterburners have become more popular, besides the sig increase from mwd's. hard and fast rule is always, if you can't afford to lose it, dont use it. particularly in pvp, so if your using faction/officer mods etc and you really can't afford their loss, be careful when you use them. likewise with implants, thats what jump clones are for after all

Originally posted by Yamota

 ok so one PvP death could then mean losing hours of farming still then?

Or is ISK easier to come by these days? For a regular player that is, not someone who can produce T2 ships and sell.

mission running. its not the best source of income but its the easiest (and less boring than mining.)

 Ok, think I will give it another shot. But cant promise I wont buy ISK offline, farming is just so damn boring 

Originally posted by Yamota

 Ok, think I will give it another shot. But cant promise I wont buy ISK offline, farming is just so damn boring 

If you really want to 'buy' isk then just buy an extra set of PLEX's and sell them. PLEX stands for Pilot's Liscence EXtension and they are sold by CCP. When you buy then you can basically consider them as electronic time cards. The small bundle is for two 30 day PLEX's, which is ~30 bucks, which makes sense. You can then, if you choose, use a code to create an actual in-game item for your PLEX's. These items can actually be used in-game to add that 30 days to an account. They can be sold though and only through the market - you can't trade them. Each 30 day plex costs about 300m. For a little while when I was playing a lot more I used to buy all of my game time with isk....so basically I was playing the game for free.

If you wanted to give yourself a large starting sum of ISK you could buy the two 30-days, use one for your account and sell the other. Or use a credit card for your subscription and sell both.....or not bother with it all. I personally have no problem with this because the money isn't going to some botted farmer, it's going to CCP.

It's a strikingly brilliant system of making it less and less profitable for gold farming companies.

What the guy above me said and the fact of the matter is CCP games seem to have a fair idea of who the isk sellers are and who buys from them.

I've had two people I know get the value of the bought isk taken from them by CCP a couple of months ago very soon after buying isk.

Originally posted by Lord_Ixigan

Originally posted by Yamota

 Ok, think I will give it another shot. But cant promise I wont buy ISK offline, farming is just so damn boring 

 

If you really want to 'buy' isk then just buy an extra set of PLEX's and sell them. PLEX stands for Pilot's Liscence EXtension and they are sold by CCP. When you buy then you can basically consider them as electronic time cards. The small bundle is for two 30 day PLEX's, which is ~30 bucks, which makes sense. You can then, if you choose, use a code to create an actual in-game item for your PLEX's. These items can actually be used in-game to add that 30 days to an account. They can be sold though and only through the market - you can't trade them. Each 30 day plex costs about 300m. For a little while when I was playing a lot more I used to buy all of my game time with isk....so basically I was playing the game for free.

If you wanted to give yourself a large starting sum of ISK you could buy the two 30-days, use one for your account and sell the other. Or use a credit card for your subscription and sell both.....or not bother with it all. I personally have no problem with this because the money isn't going to some botted farmer, it's going to CCP.

It's a strikingly brilliant system of making it less and less profitable for gold farming companies.

Ok so a PLEX cost how much in RL money and they sell for 300 M IG?

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Lord_Ixigan

Originally posted by Yamota

 Ok, think I will give it another shot. But cant promise I wont buy ISK offline, farming is just so damn boring 

 

If you really want to 'buy' isk then just buy an extra set of PLEX's and sell them. PLEX stands for Pilot's Liscence EXtension and they are sold by CCP. When you buy then you can basically consider them as electronic time cards. The small bundle is for two 30 day PLEX's, which is ~30 bucks, which makes sense. You can then, if you choose, use a code to create an actual in-game item for your PLEX's. These items can actually be used in-game to add that 30 days to an account. They can be sold though and only through the market - you can't trade them. Each 30 day plex costs about 300m. For a little while when I was playing a lot more I used to buy all of my game time with isk....so basically I was playing the game for free.

If you wanted to give yourself a large starting sum of ISK you could buy the two 30-days, use one for your account and sell the other. Or use a credit card for your subscription and sell both.....or not bother with it all. I personally have no problem with this because the money isn't going to some botted farmer, it's going to CCP.

It's a strikingly brilliant system of making it less and less profitable for gold farming companies.

Ok so a PLEX cost how much in RL money and they sell for 300 M IG?

$34.99 for 60 day gtc. This is split into two plexes. I'm not sure on the prices for a plex atm but they vary an awful lot sometimes depending on what is happening elsewhere in the universe. I'd log in and check for you but am not at home atm:(

a plex is down to around 260-280m in most trade hubs.

All a matter of relativity I suppose.  Currently I could shrug off the loss of a 200M + BS as I earn that in one 3 hour session in our wormhole, but of course there was a time that wasn't true.

Basically you stay in high sec and run missions and you are safe.  PVP is expensive though, and unless you fund yourself with Plex selling you have to balance your time between Isk earning activities (PVE) and PVP.

As far as warp scrambling goes, if you let the raiders get that close you're as good as dead already.  Best to make sure they never catch you.

 Even as a starting guy who doesn't buy PLEXs its not that hard to make money. Train your social skills, connections and negotiation a good bit, and just mission. Keep moving up to higher quality agents as you can and money comes in at a fairly decent rate. 

Originally posted by Kyleran

All a matter of relativity I suppose.  Currently I could shrug off the loss of a 200M + BS as I earn that in one 3 hour session in our wormhole, but of course there was a time that wasn't true.

Basically you stay in high sec and run missions and you are safe.  PVP is expensive though, and unless you fund yourself with Plex selling you have to balance your time between Isk earning activities (PVE) and PVP.

As far as warp scrambling goes, if you let the raiders get that close you're as good as dead already.  Best to make sure they never catch you.

Well I dont want to stay in empire space as I like to PvP. But the main problem I had with Eve before is that PvP deaths lead me to spend hours farming for ISK by doing PvE and that turned me of. I want to do PvP, not PvE :(

Hope they had addressed this issue but apparently not. Even so, I am going to give it a go and see how long it lasts. No other fun MMORPGs around anyway until early next year.

Originally posted by Kaisen_Dexx

 Even as a starting guy who doesn't buy PLEXs its not that hard to make money. Train your social skills, connections and negotiation a good bit, and just mission. Keep moving up to higher quality agents as you can and money comes in at a fairly decent rate. 

When I quit the last time I was running level 4 missions in my Raven to farm ISK. Problem was that it gave me only about 10-20 M ISK per/hour. One death set me back atleast 100 Mil so one death = 5 hours of farming.

That was not fun, for me, as I wanted to PvP and not run missions all day. Only option would be to fly around in small ships in PvP as a tackler and I did not find that particulary fun.

I guess deaths need to be so expensive to fuel the economy but several hours farming for one death is really not feasible for me. I guess if I can buy the ISK that will be less of an issue.

You don't have to be in a expensive ship to pvp.  Get in a 00 Corp and pvp in cruisers with corp mates while earning money there , alot of them will supply tech one stuff for pvp.

Originally posted by trewin

You don't have to be in a expensive ship to pvp.  Get in a 00 Corp and pvp in cruisers with corp mates while earning money there , alot of them will supply tech one stuff for pvp.

That sounds like an option, but was never able to find a 0.0 corp with a station as they required massive skill points (I only had about 4 Mil SPs if I remember correctly).

Is that different now?

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by Kyleran

All a matter of relativity I suppose.  Currently I could shrug off the loss of a 200M + BS as I earn that in one 3 hour session in our wormhole, but of course there was a time that wasn't true.

Basically you stay in high sec and run missions and you are safe.  PVP is expensive though, and unless you fund yourself with Plex selling you have to balance your time between Isk earning activities (PVE) and PVP.

As far as warp scrambling goes, if you let the raiders get that close you're as good as dead already.  Best to make sure they never catch you.

Well I dont want to stay in empire space as I like to PvP. But the main problem I had with Eve before is that PvP deaths lead me to spend hours farming for ISK by doing PvE and that turned me of. I want to do PvP, not PvE :(

Hope they had addressed this issue but apparently not. Even so, I am going to give it a go and see how long it lasts. No other fun MMORPGs around anyway until early next year.

Well, in your example I'd find a good 0.0 corp that you can use your Raven to rat with and fight in smaller ships like interceptors, assault frigs or the like until your income is a bit higher.

I lose a frigate a week PvPing. While out looking for trouble, I will occasionally stop and pick off a few rats. Three 175k rats pretty much pays for my ship and several fittings. I'll often get faction ammo or some expensive gear off a PvP kill (in the very few battles I actually win) so even at a horrid win/loss ratio, I still come out waaaay ahead in ISk at the end of the week.