Originally posted by Yoge

 Same ol gear recycling..., You raid or pvp over and over again then bam every new patch you have to re do it. Kinda getting old after doing it in BC and Wotlk. Really wish they would introduce AA's like EQ. Maybe mastery will be somewhat like it.

WoW is probably the only NEW MMO I've ever played that felt outdated the day it came out. It did absolutely nothing new.
 

Originally posted by willvas

 you are just as bad as ZORN... I will link if i get banned for this oh well.. but hey i had 3 gaming site links that are reputable.  you obviously cant find information very good... AND I HAVE PROVED IT MMORPG DELETED THE POST obviously becuase it was outside links.  you didnt read the threads.

 you know what screw that.. im not getting myself banned.. you go find the link yourself its not hard to find... you want the info.. i found it for zorn.. it was deleted.. you came in the middle of this argument.  YOu go find it... prove me wrong... show me numbers different then what i have.  Im not getting banned.. i was warned already for links.

take care.. you have no reason to be arguing with me... this is not YOUR argument...this is between me and ZORN.... which he still fails to show 6 million Subscribers in the west.. which he cant.  SO basically he has been wrong all along and doesnt want to admit it... which is the core of this argument... enough said.

 

LINK Post 132 in this thread.  It was not deleted and as I said I did find your links and read them already, but once again you failed to read what was written.  In fact here are your three links since you are incapable of finding them and blaming the website for deleting them and me being incapable of finding them. 

Link1

Link2

Link3

A blog and a forum post on reputable sites doesn't make them factual. Yes they suck, no they do not prove your claims and here they are since you failed to find them. This is the second time you have tried to tell me to learn something that is your problem. (watch my post not get deleted for having outside links. There is even a little tool to make url links.) 

Now lets get something else straight, I do not agree with zondorfs numbers.  Do you get it now?  I think they are wrong, but you once again failed to read what was actually said.  Go figure.

Now as for your claims of subscribers numbers since you seem to know so much, lets see them.   You have no problem spewing sub numbers that blizzard spells out in NA/Europe/China, but you can't post a link to back up your claims.  Then you tell me I can't know the numbers because blizzard doesnt spell out their numbers.  On the other hand you have no problem chewing someone else out for the same exact thing.  All I am asking is for you the practice what you preach.  Lets see the numbers. 

P.S. who cares if you are in china?  You think that proves something?

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by willvas

 you are just as bad as ZORN... I will link if i get banned for this oh well.. but hey i had 3 gaming site links that are reputable.  you obviously cant find information very good... AND I HAVE PROVED IT MMORPG DELETED THE POST obviously becuase it was outside links.  you didnt read the threads.

 you know what screw that.. im not getting myself banned.. you go find the link yourself its not hard to find... you want the info.. i found it for zorn.. it was deleted.. you came in the middle of this argument.  YOu go find it... prove me wrong... show me numbers different then what i have.  Im not getting banned.. i was warned already for links.

take care.. you have no reason to be arguing with me... this is not YOUR argument...this is between me and ZORN.... which he still fails to show 6 million Subscribers in the west.. which he cant.  SO basically he has been wrong all along and doesnt want to admit it... which is the core of this argument... enough said.

 

 

LINK Post 132 in this thread.  It was not deleted and as I said I did find your links and read them already, but once again you failed to read what was written.  no i read... whats your point.  In fact here are your three links since you are incapable of finding them and blaming the website for deleting them and me being incapable of finding them. well some of posts have been deleted.

Link1

Link2

Link3

A blog and a forum post on reputable sites doesn't make them factual. Yes they suck, no they do not prove your claims and here they are since you failed to find them. This is the second time you have tried to tell me to learn something that is your problem. (watch my post not get deleted for having outside links. There is even a little tool to make url links.) 

 yeah good for you but you didnt get the mail I did.  i was warned by a mod.

Now lets get something else straight, I do not agree with zondorfs numbers.  Do you get it now?  I think they are wrong, but you once again failed to read what was actually said.  Go figure. NOPE never failed to read.. you still defend him.

Now as for your claims of subscribers numbers since you seem to know so much, lets see them.   You have no problem spewing sub numbers that blizzard spells out in NA/Europe/China, but you can't post a link to back up your claims.  LOL go look it up... if you want to know... im not your secretary if you want it so bad.  Then you tell me I can't know the numbers because blizzard doesnt spell out their numbers. what?  you are confusing me with this question. I think you might be referrring to me saying he doesnt show the sub numbers.. he takes the revenue numbers and divides them to get his subs which is wrong... that is where this whole argument started.. what the hell are you talking about?   On the other hand you have no problem chewing someone else out for the same exact thing.  All I am asking is for you the practice what you preach.  Lets see the numbers.  dont need to anymore.. he hasnt responded because he cant find a sight with 6 million in teh west... so i was right... its not a true statement.. that was what i wanted.

 

P.S. who cares if you are in china?  You think that proves something? LOL whatever you say pal.  I can simply get the chinese numbers here.  They do keep track here.  I have 4 friends from america here in China that play on the chinese servers.

LOL again you cant read.. this is between me and zorn...

did you get this message.. im glad you found it... but again.. i got the mail from them... i got warned...

a few of my posts were deleted by the mods.  So yeah that and being warned.. I am done talking to you.  Let me repeat myself.

this is between me and zorn. 

and you just saw three sites.  saying how its down to 5 million.. there are many others.  Go look them up.  I guess they are ALL WRONG and you are right.  Ok.  whatever you say.  

i didnt chew anybody out but ask for him where he got his 6 million he keep spewing out all over the forums.. and not just this thread.

so i can tell you where to go.. but that will just get me banned.  So you know where to go.  Again.  Those links you provided are just a sample proof.. its alll over the internet... but hey they arent right because you said so.  GOtchya.  Ok.  You are right im wrong.

and you clearly disagree with his numbers yet you defend him.... LOL

and i am done talking to a brick wall who thinks he is always right. 

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/world-of-warcraft/1002582p1.html gamespy said something about it.. i guess they are idiots right?

here you go..

as of 2008

http://www.videogamer.com/news/world_of_warcraft_passes_10_million_subscriptions.html  <----the last known subs put out.. but of course i guess 4 million in the west were gain in one year.  im sure that would of made the news if it did. only when they gained a million since 2008

here is a post from gamasutra... i mean i can keep going with this.. you can find the same stuff

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23810

http://www.edge-online.com/news/world-of-warcraft-still-offline-in-china

http://www.timeslive.co.za/business/article177475.ece the9 put out a report... this is the one that stated that in 2008 there was around 5 million chinese subs. shall i keep going?

all of them saying the same thing.

but yeah you tell all those sites they are idiots right?

here is a little info on Chinas gaming market....i could give you chinese sites but i doubt you would be able to read them and quite frankly dont want to bother my wife about it.

http://play.tm/news/24118/mmo-popularity-rockets-in-china/

by the way lose the attitude... again this argument was between me and ZORN... not you.. you had no business even entering this argument... there are tons and tons of web pages with this info.. next time do the work yourself.  if you dont hear from me you know why

My centralnervesystem hates it, while my mind loves it. First one won, so I quit.

I don't hate WoW, I've actually played it quite a bit and had fun.

But there are other MMOs I like better. (DDO,EvE, etc)

Originally posted by willvas 

LOL again you cant read.. this is between me and zorn...

did you get this message.. im glad you found it... but again.. i got the mail from them... i got warned...

a few of my posts were deleted by the mods.  So yeah that and being warned.. I am done talking to you.  Let me repeat myself.

this is between me and zorn. 

and you just saw three sites.  saying how its down to 5 million.. there are many others.  Go look them up.  I guess they are ALL WRONG and you are right.  Ok.  whatever you say.  

i didnt chew anybody out but ask for him where he got his 6 million he keep spewing out all over the forums.. and not just this thread.

so i can tell you where to go.. but that will just get me banned.  So you know where to go.  Again.  Those links you provided are just a sample proof.. its alll over the internet... but hey they arent right because you said so.  GOtchya.  Ok.  You are right im wrong.

and you clearly disagree with his numbers yet you defend him.... LOL

and i am done talking to a brick wall who thinks he is always right. 

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/world-of-warcraft/1002582p1.html gamespy said something about it.. i guess they are idiots right?

here you go..

as of 2008

http://www.videogamer.com/news/world_of_warcraft_passes_10_million_subscriptions.html  <----the last known subs put out.. but of course i guess 4 million in the west were gain in one year.  im sure that would of made the news if it did. only when they gained a million since 2008

here is a post from gamasutra... i mean i can keep going with this.. you can find the same stuff

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=23810

http://www.edge-online.com/news/world-of-warcraft-still-offline-in-china

http://www.timeslive.co.za/business/article177475.ece the9 put out a report... this is the one that stated that in 2008 there was around 5 million chinese subs. shall i keep going?

 

all of them saying the same thing.

but yeah you tell all those sites they are idiots right?

here is a little info on Chinas gaming market....i could give you chinese sites but i doubt you would be able to read them and quite frankly dont want to bother my wife about it.

http://play.tm/news/24118/mmo-popularity-rockets-in-china/

by the way lose the attitude... again this argument was between me and ZORN... not you.. you had no business even entering this argument... there are tons and tons of web pages with this info.. next time do the work yourself.  if you dont hear from me you know why

A) I found your 3 links that you cried about right.  You know the 3 links you said I couldn't find, because I can't read and at the same time you say they were deleted?  Which is it, they are deleted, I can't find them?  How many times do I have to point out your innacuracies before you give it a rest?

B) If you want to have a private conversation with zondorf, then perhaps doing so on an open public discussion forum isn't the best place for that to happen.  Trying to have a private discussion on a public forum is about the most idiotic concept you can ever try to champion.  So you have two choices, take it to private messages or run the risk of other people joining in the conversation.   You do realize this is not the Zondorf vs Qillvas thread right?  Zondorfs original discussion did not involve you, but you had no problem interjecting your opinion in his discussion did you?  Nice double standard you have there. 

C) You continue to post links to blogs that are nothing but blind speculation and you think that just because it has gamasutra in the url makes it proof of something?  Great, you linked to gamespy who then link to someones blog.  Whoodie fucking doo.  Did you even bother reading past the title of the bloggers article?  Does he show any proof of his claims, no.  Does he talk about guesses, having no real idea and have no hard data to support his claims.  Yes.

Listen friend, just because you heard something rumored on the internet doesn't mean it is the truth and that you have some indisputable evidence that you can disprove the opinions of others with.  I have already showed you how flawed the math is behind your silly claims, but you have no problem ignoring that do you?

If you want to post something in a matter of fact manner then way you have been, then be prepared to show your sources.  Don't say something dumb like "blizzard already posted it", man up and link it yourself.  What you have posted so far is laughable at best.  What you are really doing is spreading rumor and misinformation and you are misguided enough to think you have acurate information.  You seem to think it is so accruate you can disprove other peoples claims.  Neither claim I agree with before you misunderstand what is clearly said and have another hissy fit.

Why do I have the attitude you ask?  Good question and I am not surprised you do not understand. 

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