If a parent paid for a kids account, wouldn't the kid's account be in the parent's name? At least the credit card used would so there would be a reasonable expectation that the commission would go to the parents right?

Originally posted by Astralglide

Originally posted by Zorvan01

Originally posted by Astralglide

 

2) Offering people money to sell your product is not a pyramid scheme.; its commission (which is also not illegal) to quote wikipedia: "A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, often without any product or service being delivered." Again, this is not a pyramid scheme, its just good marketing.

 

 

Exactly.

So, is Aventurine sending out time cards, tax forms, ect., to it's new commision paid employees? Are they ensuring that those working in the program are over 18 OR at least 16 with a valid work permit? At least to the ones here in the U.S.? Because otherwise, they're breaking the law. Amazing how much difference paying in real money rather than non-monetary incentives can affect things.

It's actually up to the individual to report income. As with all referral programs (Direct TV and several insurance companies do the exact same thing), this would fall under implied contractual agreement for 1099 wages. IF people make more than $600 from referrals, then they would have to report it to the IRS. A work permit is not required because they are not asking for anything more than referrals ergo, this is not a job. Companies don't have to report their payments to non-employees (1099), but they do because they get to write off those expenses from their own taxes. Again, this is not illegal at all.

Here is a man that knows what he is talking about.

I know he's telling the truth, since I have dealt with quite a few trolls in my time.

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

Originally posted by Astralglide

Originally posted by Zorvan01

Originally posted by Astralglide

 

2) Offering people money to sell your product is not a pyramid scheme.; its commission (which is also not illegal) to quote wikipedia: "A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, often without any product or service being delivered." Again, this is not a pyramid scheme, its just good marketing.

 

 

Exactly.

So, is Aventurine sending out time cards, tax forms, ect., to it's new commision paid employees? Are they ensuring that those working in the program are over 18 OR at least 16 with a valid work permit? At least to the ones here in the U.S.? Because otherwise, they're breaking the law. Amazing how much difference paying in real money rather than non-monetary incentives can affect things.

It's actually up to the individual to report income. As with all referral programs (Direct TV and several insurance companies do the exact same thing), this would fall under implied contractual agreement for 1099 wages. IF people make more than $600 from referrals, then they would have to report it to the IRS. A work permit is not required because they are not asking for anything more than referrals ergo, this is not a job. Companies don't have to report their payments to non-employees (1099), but they do because they get to write off those expenses from their own taxes. Again, this is not illegal at all.

 

Here is a man that knows what he is talking about.

 

I know he's telling the truth, since I have dealt with quite a few trolls in my time.

@ Astralglide: And what happens when mommy or daddy ask why they're getting these comissions, find out it's because their kids have been put to work without the parents acknowledgement, and decide to take Aventurine to task for it? Also, if someone were to make over $600 in commission, how is AV covered when they didn't provide the required documentation to begin with? Getting 60 people to play, while maybe doubtful, is still possible and any smart person would account for it just in case.

@ Einstein: And if you live in the U.S. Einstein and don't know a simple thing like saying "they lied about their age" doesn't work in court, I don't know what to tell you except you might want to think about changing your forum name. And don't date any "18" year old girls.

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Originally posted by Zorvan01

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

Originally posted by Astralglide

Originally posted by Zorvan01

Originally posted by Astralglide

 

2) Offering people money to sell your product is not a pyramid scheme.; its commission (which is also not illegal) to quote wikipedia: "A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, often without any product or service being delivered." Again, this is not a pyramid scheme, its just good marketing.

 

 

Exactly.

So, is Aventurine sending out time cards, tax forms, ect., to it's new commision paid employees? Are they ensuring that those working in the program are over 18 OR at least 16 with a valid work permit? At least to the ones here in the U.S.? Because otherwise, they're breaking the law. Amazing how much difference paying in real money rather than non-monetary incentives can affect things.

It's actually up to the individual to report income. As with all referral programs (Direct TV and several insurance companies do the exact same thing), this would fall under implied contractual agreement for 1099 wages. IF people make more than $600 from referrals, then they would have to report it to the IRS. A work permit is not required because they are not asking for anything more than referrals ergo, this is not a job. Companies don't have to report their payments to non-employees (1099), but they do because they get to write off those expenses from their own taxes. Again, this is not illegal at all.

 

Here is a man that knows what he is talking about.

 

I know he's telling the truth, since I have dealt with quite a few trolls in my time.

 

@ Astralglide: And what happens when mommy or daddy ask why they're getting these comissions, find out it's because their kids have been put to work without the parents acknowledgement, and decide to take Aventurine to task for it?

@ Einstein: And if you live in the U.S. Einstein and don't know a simple thing like saying "they lied about their age" doesn't work in court, I don't know what to tell you except you might want to think about changing your forum name. And don't date any "18" year old girls.

 

I was just humoring you for trying to keep up this "illegal labor" fallacy that you are hyping up without anything to back you up.

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Originally posted by Zorvan01

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

Originally posted by Astralglide

Originally posted by Zorvan01

Originally posted by Astralglide

 

2) Offering people money to sell your product is not a pyramid scheme.; its commission (which is also not illegal) to quote wikipedia: "A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, often without any product or service being delivered." Again, this is not a pyramid scheme, its just good marketing.

 

 

Exactly.

So, is Aventurine sending out time cards, tax forms, ect., to it's new commision paid employees? Are they ensuring that those working in the program are over 18 OR at least 16 with a valid work permit? At least to the ones here in the U.S.? Because otherwise, they're breaking the law. Amazing how much difference paying in real money rather than non-monetary incentives can affect things.

It's actually up to the individual to report income. As with all referral programs (Direct TV and several insurance companies do the exact same thing), this would fall under implied contractual agreement for 1099 wages. IF people make more than $600 from referrals, then they would have to report it to the IRS. A work permit is not required because they are not asking for anything more than referrals ergo, this is not a job. Companies don't have to report their payments to non-employees (1099), but they do because they get to write off those expenses from their own taxes. Again, this is not illegal at all.

 

Here is a man that knows what he is talking about.

 

I know he's telling the truth, since I have dealt with quite a few trolls in my time.

 

@ Astralglide: And what happens when mommy or daddy ask why they're getting these comissions, find out it's because their kids have been put to work without the parents acknowledgement, and decide to take Aventurine to task for it? Also, if someone were to make over $600 in commission, how is AV covered when they didn't provide the required documentation to begin with? Getting 60 people to play, while maybe doubtful, is still possible and any smart person would account for it just in case.

@ Einstein: And if you live in the U.S. Einstein and don't know a simple thing like saying "they lied about their age" doesn't work in court, I don't know what to tell you except you might want to think about changing your forum name. And don't date any "18" year old girls.

*Sigh* Zorvan, I know that you  think you're right, so I will try this again.

I do not know how they are paying out these referral fees, most companies still send checks in the mail. I would assume that since the credit cards they have on file were not authorized to recieve payments that Adventurtine would be doing the same. Furthermore, and I cannot stress this enough, this is not a job. This is not employment. Period. If you really think that there's a violation of federal law here, then I will let you go through the Department of Labor Child Labor Law site yourself and you can report them. Please don't be surprised when they either ignore your letter or send you a response telling you something very similar to what I have. 

Look, I've backed you up when I thought you were right, but you are completely wrong here.

AV could have avoided any comments by simply offering a free month to play for bringing in another player.  

Instead once again AV manages take something completely normal and twist it around into something bizarre.    As well as providing an entertaining read on the community forums lol 

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

AV could have avoided any comments by simply offering a free month to play for bringing in another player.  

Instead once again AV manages take something completely normal and twist it around into something bizarre.    As well as providing an entertaining read on the community forums lol 

That would definately have been a better idea,

Originally posted by Alienovrlord

AV could have avoided any comments by simply offering a free month to play for bringing in another player.  

Instead once again AV manages take something completely normal and twist it around into something bizarre.    As well as providing an entertaining read on the community forums lol 

Its not bizarre...CCP has been doing this for years, its standard affiliate marketing. Actually... I take that back it is bizarre, the commission they are paying is rather low.

Who cares, the game is garbage and for terrible players with daddy issues.  I doubt anyone is dumb enough to be recruited into a trash game anyways.

Originally posted by Astralglide

Originally posted by Zorvan01

Originally posted by Einstein-DF

Originally posted by Astralglide

Originally posted by Zorvan01

Originally posted by Astralglide

 

2) Offering people money to sell your product is not a pyramid scheme.; its commission (which is also not illegal) to quote wikipedia: "A pyramid scheme is a non-sustainable business model that involves the exchange of money primarily for enrolling other people into the scheme, often without any product or service being delivered." Again, this is not a pyramid scheme, its just good marketing.

 

 

Exactly.

So, is Aventurine sending out time cards, tax forms, ect., to it's new commision paid employees? Are they ensuring that those working in the program are over 18 OR at least 16 with a valid work permit? At least to the ones here in the U.S.? Because otherwise, they're breaking the law. Amazing how much difference paying in real money rather than non-monetary incentives can affect things.

It's actually up to the individual to report income. As with all referral programs (Direct TV and several insurance companies do the exact same thing), this would fall under implied contractual agreement for 1099 wages. IF people make more than $600 from referrals, then they would have to report it to the IRS. A work permit is not required because they are not asking for anything more than referrals ergo, this is not a job. Companies don't have to report their payments to non-employees (1099), but they do because they get to write off those expenses from their own taxes. Again, this is not illegal at all.

 

Here is a man that knows what he is talking about.

 

I know he's telling the truth, since I have dealt with quite a few trolls in my time.

 

@ Astralglide: And what happens when mommy or daddy ask why they're getting these comissions, find out it's because their kids have been put to work without the parents acknowledgement, and decide to take Aventurine to task for it? Also, if someone were to make over $600 in commission, how is AV covered when they didn't provide the required documentation to begin with? Getting 60 people to play, while maybe doubtful, is still possible and any smart person would account for it just in case.

@ Einstein: And if you live in the U.S. Einstein and don't know a simple thing like saying "they lied about their age" doesn't work in court, I don't know what to tell you except you might want to think about changing your forum name. And don't date any "18" year old girls.

*Sigh* Zorvan, I know that you  think you're right, so I will try this again.

I do not know how they are paying out these referral fees, most companies still send checks in the mail. I would assume that since the credit cards they have on file were not authorized to recieve payments that Adventurtine would be doing the same. Furthermore, and I cannot stress this enough, this is not a job. This is not employment. Period. If you really think that there's a violation of federal law here, then I will let you go through the Department of Labor Child Labor Law site yourself and you can report them. Please don't be surprised when they either ignore your letter or send you a response telling you something very similar to what I have. 

Look, I've backed you up when I thought you were right, but you are completely wrong here.

I respect  you enough Astral to accept your word for it. So I won't bring it up anymore.

Originally posted by Dawnsinger

Exactly what it says on the tin. Should people who use the Darkfall advertising links get them removed / their topics about them get deleted?

For those that don't know: Aventurine is paying players $10 for each and every player they bring into the game ( via buying it ) and this sounds ridiculously like grass shoots marketing ( which is illegal ) and a bit of a pyramid scheme in it's own way ( which is also illegal ).

So, should those with it in their signatures have it removed / their posts on it deleted?

EDIT: To those that don't get it, read this: Darkfall Community Publishing Program Offers Money Making Opportunities

Not unless you are willing to ban all signatures wilth game related links in them.

Just because you disagree with one game give you no right to impose limits upon it that are not imposed impartially upon all other games.

As for offering customers incentive for recruiting new players. A great many games have been doing this for years. In fact, the practice is wdespread, perfectly legal, and occurs in many different industries. Grass roots marketing campaigns are a very effective means for small companies to grow their business.

A pyramid scheme is something else entirely different, and bears little strucural resemblence to a grass roots campaign. For examples that skirt the edge of being a pyramid scheme, go look at Avon.

The point is moot, anyway.  It's a violation of the site, so the posts/sigs should be removed.  If they decide to change this for Darkfall, be prepared for gold sellers and such to be next....

Originally posted by Nightbringe1

Originally posted by Dawnsinger

Exactly what it says on the tin. Should people who use the Darkfall advertising links get them removed / their topics about them get deleted?

For those that don't know: Aventurine is paying players $10 for each and every player they bring into the game ( via buying it ) and this sounds ridiculously like grass shoots marketing ( which is illegal ) and a bit of a pyramid scheme in it's own way ( which is also illegal ).

So, should those with it in their signatures have it removed / their posts on it deleted?

EDIT: To those that don't get it, read this: Darkfall Community Publishing Program Offers Money Making Opportunities

 

Not unless you are willing to ban all signatures wilth game related links in them.

They do if those links are referral links.
 

Originally posted by Zorvan01

Originally posted by Nightbringe1

Originally posted by Dawnsinger

Exactly what it says on the tin. Should people who use the Darkfall advertising links get them removed / their topics about them get deleted?

For those that don't know: Aventurine is paying players $10 for each and every player they bring into the game ( via buying it ) and this sounds ridiculously like grass shoots marketing ( which is illegal ) and a bit of a pyramid scheme in it's own way ( which is also illegal ).

So, should those with it in their signatures have it removed / their posts on it deleted?

EDIT: To those that don't get it, read this: Darkfall Community Publishing Program Offers Money Making Opportunities

 

Not unless you are willing to ban all signatures wilth game related links in them.

They do if those links are referral links.
 

People should be allowed to market and "spread the word" for the games that they like, but they should not be accepting fees to advertise those games- that takes away from MMORPG's profit. I think we should all make a habit of clicking on MMORPG's paid links more oftern

Originally posted by Astralglide 

People should be allowed to market and "spread the word" for the games that they like, but they should not be accepting fees to advertise those games- that takes away from MMORPG's profit. I think we should all make a habit of clicking on MMORPG's paid links more oftern

I think links like the OP's are fine, but anything that gives anyone money without being a part of the site is ridiculous.

Oh god I had hoped that cult would be content playing their game and leave the rest of us alone.  I hope this doesn't get out of hand.