Originally posted by neorandom

 alot of us wont give nc soft any more money till they kill the bots, the bots completely ruin the game as it is, they destroyed the economy before it got off the ground and you cant hunt in many areas due to the fact that dozens of bots camp the main areas 24/7 from level 15 all the way to level 50

ok all i have to say is you are my friend mister.  ive been saying this from headstart this game has lots of issues with the bots being the biggest problem of all.  in theobomas atm it is literally impossible to complete 2 missions 1 because bots  have it camped and the second because the asmos have it camped which is why i gave up i cant get further lvl 30 templar grinded out

Originally posted by Czargio

 Need an option for "Played the betas and canceled my preorder"

Agree, since that's the category I'm in as well.  Even though NCsoft has such borked-up billing, that although I was refunded my purchase for the CE through Steam, NCsoft still has it listed under my account, and the one month of access.  Not that I played it for more than a few hours past launch.  The game is poo.

Originally posted by joker007mo

Originally posted by neorandom

 alot of us wont give nc soft any more money till they kill the bots, the bots completely ruin the game as it is, they destroyed the economy before it got off the ground and you cant hunt in many areas due to the fact that dozens of bots camp the main areas 24/7 from level 15 all the way to level 50

 

ok all i have to say is you are my friend mister.  ive been saying this from headstart this game has lots of issues with the bots being the biggest problem of all.  in theobomas atm it is literally impossible to complete 2 missions 1 because bots  have it camped and the second because the asmos have it camped which is why i gave up i cant get further lvl 30 templar grinded out

Asmodean can't go into Theobomos? It's a PvP-free zone.

You must've meant Heiron or Eltnen.

U make such a poll on mmorpg.com and expect to know if the game is holding or not.

Thanks for making me laugh .

I played the first month then unsubbed, was even running a active legion with around 20 members + website/vent. Going in I thought it looked great, after hitting level 40 I got to burnt out to keep playing. It just got dull and repetitive for me, and PVP was to dependent on pots. Crafting was also a grinding joke, I would sit 4 hours crafting and be lucky to get 100 points just point and clicking. Then the bots ended it for me, I would be leveling and constantly have to fight with them for kills. Handed the legion off to my second-in-command and said I had enough. No I am not one that likes grind, I went back to Eve and AoC(lol, which has surprisingly improved a lot).

Originally posted by raven222

U make such a poll on mmorpg.com and expect to know if the game is holding or not.

Thanks for making me laugh .

The thing is there is a similar poll on Aionsource and over 40% polled say they will cancel.  Now some of those may be trolls just trying to down the game but that's still alot for a fansite dedicated to the game.  Can you imagine if the same poll is put up on WoW.com, you think you're going to get 40% nays? 

I've always said that I think Aion will have a decent, core group of subscribers around 200k tops but at this point right now I think it's fair to say they are losing more subs than they are gaining.  The game isn't even in the top 10 for Steam or D2D anymore.

I thought about choice number 1, played for the free month and didnt renew... because I couldnt. they wont accept my CC. others are having the same problem. they dont want my money, so im moving on. oh, the game crashes now too.

 stupid place to have a poll MMORPG is 95% trolls

with no 'view resuslts' option, people who haven't played will click an answer randomly to see the results.

Why the hell does everyone here always fight like a bunch of kids? It feels like "Xbox Live, The Later Years".

I unsubbed today before going into my 3rd month. The first month was great, the second was horrible. There are still bots everywhere and I find the grind to be horribly boring. Disappointed, but at least levels 1-20 and some PVP battles were fun.

Originally posted by rafaelrehn

 stupid place to have a poll MMORPG is 95% trolls

This is one of the biggest MMO sites on the net and I've found that more and more Dev's need to start hearing us out.
 

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Originally posted by rafaelrehn
stupid place to have a poll MMORPG is 95% trolls

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@All:

BTW, the results clearly show that 2/3 of players are disappointed with Aion and either have left already or are going to leave soon. Which resembles Xfire statistics pretty closely.

So Xfire is inaccurate? ;-)
 

Originally posted by wowfan1996

 

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Originally posted by rafaelrehn
stupid place to have a poll MMORPG is 95% trolls

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O'rly? Just because you don't like the results? ;-)

 

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@All:

BTW, the results clearly show that 2/3 of players are disappointed with Aion and either have left already or are going to leave soon. Which resembles Xfire statistics pretty closely.

So Xfire is inaccurate? ;-)
 

xfire is a sampling just like any other poll. and like any poll there is a margin of error. I doubt Aion has lost 2/3 of its playerbase. Aion will be fine over the long run .

PS for a russian you have outstanding english skills.

Originally posted by parrotpholk 

xfire is a sampling just like any other poll. and like any poll there is a margin of error. I doubt Aion has lost 2/3 of its playerbase. Aion will be fine over the long run .

 

PS for a russian you have outstanding english skills.

No theres a difference:

1.xfire is like you said just a small sample (1:50 - 1:200 depending on game and genre) out of actual playing or once playing people.

I could claim now the majority of the younger fps, sologamer and instant gratification crowd which makes up most of the  xfire userbase went back to their old games as Aion was not their thing with all that tactics, socializing and largescale battles stuff, while they excuse this blaming it on "bad gamemechanics", while the other MMO player stayed in Aion. The trend in xfire would proves this developement.

Its would hold the same merrit as claiming Aion must have lost X% of its playerbase because xfire shows a trend of X% loss in xfire user.

Its just a matter of biased interpretation and the fitting made up assumptions.

2.This poll here is not a sample but just pointless as everyone can vote without playing the game in first place.

Now think about the fact there are dozen of "truthers" and "constructive criticism" poster trying to spread their slander with their "facts" "calculations" and "logical concequences" or "experience", and how this game will /is failing/failed for years now.

There are even people posting on multiple accounts to make it appear like there are even more people with the same opinion or whenever they got proven wrong undeniable even by them, they hide for a few months while posting with their other accounts until people forgot. (just remember when its was a "fact" Aionserver could never hold more than 3k-3.5k conc user because it was "technically impossible" and now we where hitting numbers double of that.)

What would suddenly hinder these persons to vote a negative option next to their daily posts, even if they never played it in first place like multiple even admitted in other posts? They wouldnt even need to bother to make a new mmorpg account.

While on the other hand most people who quit that game actually dont even bother to go a Aion forum and voting. But its just a baseless assumption the above mentioned trolls would just make up for exactly the ammount of missing people not voting.

Originally posted by Sukiyaki

Originally posted by parrotpholk 

xfire is a sampling just like any other poll. and like any poll there is a margin of error. I doubt Aion has lost 2/3 of its playerbase. Aion will be fine over the long run .

 

PS for a russian you have outstanding english skills.

 

No theres a difference:

1.xfire is like you said just a small sample (1:50 - 1:200 depending on game and genre) out of actual playing or once playing people.

I could claim now the majority of the younger fps, sologamer and instant gratification crowd which makes up most of the  xfire userbase went back to their old games as Aion was not their thing with all that tactics, socializing and largescale battles stuff, while they excuse this blaming it on "bad gamemechanics", while the other MMO player stayed in Aion. The trend in xfire would proves this developement.

Its would hold the same merrit as claiming Aion must have lost X% of its playerbase because xfire shows a trend of X% loss in xfire user.

Its just a matter of biased interpretation and the fitting made up assumptions.

2.This poll here is not a sample but just pointless as everyone can vote without playing the game in first place.

Now think about the fact there are dozen of "truthers" and "constructive criticism" poster trying to spread their slander with their "facts" "calculations" and "logical concequences" or "experience", and how this game will /is failing/failed for years now.

There are even people posting on multiple accounts to make it appear like there are even more people with the same opinion or whenever they got proven wrong undeniable even by them, they hide for a few months while posting with their other accounts until people forgot. (just remember when its was a "fact" Aionserver could never hold more than 3k-3.5k conc user because it was "technically impossible" and now we where hitting numbers double of that.)

What would suddenly hinder these persons to vote a negative option next to their daily posts, even if they never played it in first place like multiple even admitted in other posts? They wouldnt even need to bother to make a new mmorpg account.

While on the other hand most people who quit that game actually dont even bother to go a Aion forum and voting. But its just a baseless assumption the above mentioned trolls would just make up for exactly the ammount of missing people not voting.

 

Baseless assumption... Sort of like your post, right?

Originally posted by OneMMOVet

Originally posted by rafaelrehn

 stupid place to have a poll MMORPG is 95% trolls

This is one of the biggest MMO sites on the net and I've found that more and more Dev's need to start hearing us out.
 

yes but the devs know that an average poster here has 20 sock puppets so in reality the player sample is lot smaller than you want it to seem

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Originally posted by parrotpholk
xfire is a sampling just like any other poll. and like any poll there is a margin of error. I doubt Aion has lost 2/3 of its playerbase.

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PS for a russian you have outstanding english skills.

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Originally posted by heartless

Baseless assumption... Sort of like your post, right

Not more than any post here claiming the poll got any value or is in any way representative.

Not more than any post here claiming xfirestatistics on their own got any value or are in any way representative for the total poulation of a game.

Not more than your post that is claiming my post is just baseless assumption.

Originally posted by Sukiyaki

Originally posted by heartless

Baseless assumption... Sort of like your post, right

Not more than any post here claiming the poll got any value or is in any way representative.

Not more than any post here claiming xfirestatistics on their own got any value or are in any way representative for the total poulation of a game.

Not more than your post that is claiming my post is just baseless assumption.

 

My whole point is that the long rant of yours complaining about the original post being nothing more than a baseless assumption, was also nothing than a baseless assumption. I mean, you're complaining about a baseless assumption and use baseless assumptions in your argument?

In other words: pot calls kettle?

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Sukiyaki

Originally posted by heartless

Baseless assumption... Sort of like your post, right

Not more than any post here claiming the poll got any value or is in any way representative.

Not more than any post here claiming xfirestatistics on their own got any value or are in any way representative for the total poulation of a game.

Not more than your post that is claiming my post is just baseless assumption.

 

 

My whole point is that the long rant of yours complaining about the original post being nothing more than a baseless assumption, was also nothing than a baseless assumption. I mean, you're complaining about a baseless assumption and use baseless assumptions in your argument?

In other words: pot calls kettle?

So you just  lack reading comprehension?

I was pointing out the claims are all based on baseless assumptions and provided examples of what I could claim with assumptions. You might no got that.  Im not complaining about assumption I point out assumptions. Then complain about people reapeating and pounding on their assumptions while claiming their assumptions are fact because some other unrelated numbers are factual.

And the second part is basic logic. If we cant be shure its not accurate its useless. I dont call it useless because there are people who would vote negatively on them as they admitted to do anything even if its a lie to hurt the game. Its there mere open possibility itself for people  like them to vote that way is making the vote useless as no one can prove or asure its not that way.Nothing hinders them, why could they not? Thats basic logic not an assumption.

Or are you just trying to troll by going ad absurdum?

Except you are pounding on the empirical goddamn no one knows allready how often proven point that the major part of people are not wasting their time on a specific games (sub)forum after they quit but move one and just a small vocal minority remains.The rest are either examples of assumptions, questions or positive/negative facts simply verifiable to be positive by rereading them from records, no baseless assumptions.

If you cant comprehend the difference. Too bad for you.

If you want to troll me after you felt addressed when i was talking about people pounding on their baseless assumptions. Too bad for you.

If you cant live with that and find some flawed argument or semantic game for a comeback. Too bad for you i wont bother, as you didnt have a point to begin with.