Well good luck supporting CME and SGW because you're gonna need it. The company is mired in debt chained to multiple lawsuits and crippled by the fact all of the original developers and all the talent left along time ago. Also they've stated themselves on their official forums that SGW is "on hold" whilst they work on releasing an interim title (SGB).

The only thing bringing in money is the pyramid scheme that uses the Stargate name to scam desperate and poor saps out of their money and even that is being sued also. Investors and ex employees are sueing CME/Gary Whiting/Garvick and all of his shell corps he uses to scam people. The landlords and the company that provided the servers for last years brief beta are sueing Team Whiting and his plethora of corporations.

Good luck on seeing that game my friend because I doubt that even the Asgard, Tokra and all the SG teams could find away out of the hole Whiting has dug for himself, CME and SGW. I also doubt MGM will help as they are barely staying solvent right now and even Brad Wright and Micheal Shanks wrote off SGW along time ago. The only people that believe it will get released are the handfull of nutters on the official forums that still believe Khestral and his buddies!

FACT!

Originally posted by Tylantia

@Raltar -

Kadael must be in the minority because he insists that these are just rumors, "old rubbish" and lies.

Source please.

I would LOVE to give you a source on this!

In your "current" information thread, you were asked why you falied to inculde all the ACTUAL current information about the lawsuits, money problems, employees being unpaid and lack of any news from the dev team. In reply you said THIS (source link):

Kadael: "I have no intention of trapsing through all the old rubbish a fair chunk of you lot on here seem to love doing."

There you have it: We aksed you why you wouldn't acknowledge the lawsuits and you anwsered by blowing it off as "old rubbish" because in your mind anything that doesn't look good for the game isn't worth talking about. That same post was also where you have us your "evidence" that the game is still being woked on just because there is a website:

Kadael: "And until I cannot access the website and forums anymore, the game(s) are still being worked on to my knowledge; and thats what I believe."

Proof positive that everything I've said about your attitude has been true. You refuse to discuss any issue which won't result in HYPE for the game. Instead you choose to beleive, aginst all the facts, that the game is still going to come out simply because thats what you WANT to believe, not becuse it makes any actual sense.

I know you will never admit it and will use every bone the developers throw to you as an excuse to continue your foolish quest, but all the evidence proves that this game cannot be released under the current conditions. They just don't have the money or resources to make it happen and the lawsuits are going to wipe them out completely soon. The only chance this game has is for CME to be shut down and for another developer to take over the project, hopefully starting from scratch. If you really want to see this game released and want to support it, then by all logic you should hate Gary and MMOGULs even more than any of the rest of us.

Originally posted by Tylantia 

supporting SGW and the individual(s) != supporting the GUL's. Yes we all know that side still plays a part; but at this point I really don't care. I support the game, the dev's and anyone making the best out of a bad situation.

Please explain how the != works in your mind. Since CME & MMOGULS are the same thing, designed by the same person with a singular purpose in mind, how do you separate the two so easily? When people are getting sucked into a scam, how do you so nonchalantly say it's okay to support the fictional game at the center of that scam?

I completely understand a burning desire to see a game based on a franchise you love. I get it. What I cannot understand is ignoring morality in order to get it. Fans of CME often come to this forum to tell us that we should not get so worked up over a game, but that isn't the issue I have here. To hell with the game. Why is it okay to scam, cheat, and lie? Why are you willing to indirectly support that? Why would you subscribe to any game that will help Gary Whiting make money?

Originally posted by Pugla

I completely understand a burning desire to see a game based on a franchise you love. I get it. What I cannot understand is ignoring morality in order to get it. Fans of CME often come to this forum to tell us that we should not get so worked up over a game, but that isn't the issue I have here. To hell with the game. Why is it okay to scam, cheat, and lie? Why are you willing to indirectly support that? Why would you subscribe to any game that will help Gary Whiting make money?

Quoted for truth and an excellent set of questions.

I keep asking those same questions of the CME fans and employees who come here. I never get a straight answer. While one fan may come here and pretend to understand the truth, he'll then turn around and go badmouth us over on the official forums. The rest of the fans just say, Nuh uh, hater!" And the employees say stupid shit like, "I chose to participate in the scam because this was my one chance to make a video game." In fact, my indictment of that stupid statement (and Agricola's) is what made Shane so annoyed that he finally posted here to begin with.

So, I welcome a logical discuss of the moral issues associated with this game if anyone cares to participate.

NICE.

Kadael asked me to show him a source on his "old rubbish" comment and I gave him a link directly to it.

Apparently that was when this place became "beyond comprehension" for him, thus giving him an excuse not to reply.

Real classy.

Originally posted by Pugla

I keep asking those same questions of the CME fans and employees who come here. I never get a straight answer. While one fan may come here and pretend to understand the truth, he'll then turn around and go badmouth us over on the official forums. The rest of the fans just say, Nuh uh, hater!" And the employees say stupid shit like, "I chose to participate in the scam because this was my one chance to make a video game." In fact, my indictment of that stupid statement (and Agricola's) is what made Shane so annoyed that he finally posted here to begin with.

So, I welcome a logical discuss of the moral issues associated with this game if anyone cares to participate.

I stopped commenting on here a LONG time ago because I was sick of all the FanOri coming over here spouting all their "facts". Pugla, your comment pretty much sums up the whole situation.

Supremeaaron and Kadael (others have as well, but they have all faded away as no progress ever gets made on the game front) both come over here and all they basically say over and over is, "I know that the whole company is involved in scam after scam and has a truckload of lawsuits, but I don't care and will continue to support them as long as my game gets made."

Drives me insane how anyone with any morals can support a company like that just so they can get a half-assed game version of the Stargate universe. I'm sorry but in my mind, the Stargate IP deserves much, much more than what they'll get from CME at this point.

He could have actually meant quite a few things from that 'beyond comprehension" statement.

It could be its beyond his comprehension why people would hate on CME and the developer so much.

It could be beyond his comprehension why people drag this stuff on and on like they do.

It could be beyond his comprehension the replies he gets to his post.

It could be beyond his comprehension why people are still going on and on and on about stuff were there is no proof (take which ever side you want). 

It could be beyond his comprehension that everyone keeps saying SGW is dead and has been shelved.

There are hundred and one things he could be talking about.  I think the reply you made proves his point that most people post things to try and discredit, debunk or just plain try and put down people by misquoting them, or taking something someone said and twisting it to serve there own righteous posts.  Really.... I think this post shows that more people are interested in damning fans of the SGW than in actually finding out the facts, that have been confirmed, we all know there are court cases, but most dont have an outcome so they are in the ether until judgement is made.

We have our FORS and AGAINSTS here, but we dont need to crap on each other on a daily basis, lets just agree to disagree, if someone has there mind made up, it doesnt matter what someone says it wont change there opinion, no matter what is said.  I really think a 'LIAR LIAR pants on FIRE' simple post would be more suitable than some of the posts that have wasted space on this forum.

Originally posted by yellowperil

It could be beyond his comprehension why people are still going on and on and on about stuff were there is no proof (take which ever side you want). 

Ok, so you saw the post where Shane admitted that MMOGULS was real, right? Start from there for me and walk me through your logic as you come to embrace the game that is being made to support this pyramid business opportunity.

Originally posted by Pugla

I keep asking those same questions of the CME fans and employees who come here. I never get a straight answer. While one fan may come here and pretend to understand the truth, he'll then turn around and go badmouth us over on the official forums. The rest of the fans just say, Nuh uh, hater!" And the employees say stupid shit like, "I chose to participate in the scam because this was my one chance to make a video game." In fact, my indictment of that stupid statement (and Agricola's) is what made Shane so annoyed that he finally posted here to begin with.

So, I welcome a logical discuss of the moral issues associated with this game if anyone cares to participate.

That was after he complained about this site's moderation not being up to  his....standards. Interestingly, he figured insulting the moderators would make that happen. lol

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3213268#3213268

Originally posted by Pugla

Originally posted by yellowperil

It could be beyond his comprehension why people are still going on and on and on about stuff were there is no proof (take which ever side you want). 

 

Ok, so you saw the post where Shane admitted that MMOGULS was real, right? Start from there for me and walk me through your logic as you come to embrace the game that is being made to support this pyramid business opportunity.

As we all know by now this is standard Modus Operandi for FanOri, in the begining they just denied the existance of MMOGULs and put it down to a hate campaign against CME/SGW by us "naysayers" (yeah I hate the Stargate IP so much I really want to wage a hate campaign fueled by false propoganda!). Now the 4-5 hardcore FanOri that are still left tend to change their stance from MMOGULs exists but is nothing to do with CME/SGW/Gary Whiting, to MMOGULs exists and is run by Gary Whiting (CME CEO) but it is run totally seperate, to Gary Whiting is running MMOGULs using the SG IP and CME to make money but I don't care if it'll help SGW reach launch.

The last one is atleast not denial, just immoral, the rest are statements of denial made by delusional idealists. I've posted the evidence to these people including Yellow where the state of Nevada record Gary Whiting as the owner of CME/Firesky/MMOGULs/Now Corporation/Itz your mall ect. I've posted the recordings of MMOGULs conferences where he himself speaks to the saps he's scammed about making cash of SGW and CME. But they just don't care, they believe what they want to believe. Most woke up and left when the evidence was slapping them in the face, but there's still a few that are posting here now because in reality no one cares anymore even on the official boards! Ask them on the official boards when they expect to see SGW launch, I garuntee that aside from the 4-5 hardcore nutters most will be 2012+ and I get the distinct impression they are taking the piss!

Originally posted by yellowperil

A: It could be its beyond his comprehension why people would hate on CME and the developer so much.

B: It could be beyond his comprehension why people drag this stuff on and on like they do.

C: It could be beyond his comprehension the replies he gets to his post.

D: It could be beyond his comprehension why people are still going on and on and on about stuff were there is no proof (take which ever side you want). 

E: It could be beyond his comprehension that everyone keeps saying SGW is dead and has been shelved.

A: Uh, lets see. Eight lawsuits? Their inability to update their site more than once a year? The fact that they don't pay their employees? The fact they lie to us and claim they are still working on the game even though they can provide no evidence of any progress? The list goes on and on.

B: If I recall correctly (and I do) he was the one who started all of this by coming in here to post his "updates" and then insulting and ranting at everyone in earshot when we asked him why he wouldn't inculde the lawsuits in his summary. YOU and he seem to be the ones dragging this on just as much as anyone else.

C: Then apparently the concept of a forum is beyond his comprehension. When you make a post on a forum, you should EXPECT people to reply. Thats kind of the whole point of a forum. If he just wants to rant without giving anyone a chance to correct him then he should stick to updating his pointless wiki.

D: This point sounds identical to point B, except you now claim WE have no proof? First of all, Its Kadael who has no proof. He has stated multiple times now that despite the lack of updates and news from the developer he has chosen to believe (based on faith alone, not evidence) that the game is still being worked on. That is the only lack of evidence here. Meanwhile, there are mountains of evidence aginst the game being developed, such as the eight lawsuits, comments from Shane which suggest they are now working on Stargate Battles instead and hordes of employees fleeing from CME like rats from a sinking ship.

E: Yes, apparently that is beyond his comprehension, even though it is so obviously true.

Originally posted by Raltar

Originally posted by yellowperil

A: It could be its beyond his comprehension why people would hate on CME and the developer so much.

B: It could be beyond his comprehension why people drag this stuff on and on like they do.

C: It could be beyond his comprehension the replies he gets to his post.

D: It could be beyond his comprehension why people are still going on and on and on about stuff were there is no proof (take which ever side you want). 

E: It could be beyond his comprehension that everyone keeps saying SGW is dead and has been shelved.

 

A: Uh, lets see. Eight lawsuits? Their inability to update their site more than once a year? The fact that they don't pay their employees? The fact they lie to us and claim they are still working on the game even though they can provide no evidence of any progress? The list goes on and on.

B: If I recall correctly (and I do) he was the one who started all of this by coming in here to post his "updates" and then insulting and ranting at everyone in earshot when we asked him why he wouldn't inculde the lawsuits in his summary. YOU and he seem to be the ones dragging this on just as much as anyone else.

C: Then apparently the concept of a forum is beyond his comprehension. When you make a post on a forum, you should EXPECT people to reply. Thats kind of the whole point of a forum. If he just wants to rant without giving anyone a chance to correct him then he should stick to updating his pointless wiki.

D: This point sounds identical to point B, except you now claim WE have no proof? First of all, Its Kadael who has no proof. He has stated multiple times now that despite the lack of updates and news from the developer he has chosen to believe (based on faith alone, not evidence) that the game is still being worked on. That is the only lack of evidence here. Meanwhile, there are mountains of evidence aginst the game being developed, such as the eight lawsuits, comments from Shane which suggest they are now working on Stargate Battles instead and hordes of employees fleeing from CME like rats from a sinking ship.

E: Yes, apparently that is beyond his comprehension, even though it is so obviously true.

Way to take my post completely wrong, I was making out that his comprehension may not be like yours.

And I gave a few examples of what he could have meant by using his terms (because i have no idea), I really didnt expect you to write an essay on everything I said, it was more a point of making people aware he may comprehend stuff differently from you, and I think your reply post really hit the nail on the head that you never comprehended my post.  Two thumbs up for completely losing the plot...
 

Originally posted by TexasJustice

 

 We still have significant past due amounts due to former and current employees, but we are trying to keep the company alive so that we can get more funding to be able to pay more and hopefully all of the amounts owed. 

We have made everyone keenly aware of the risk that we may not get any more funding. Investors do not want their funding to solely pay prior obligations and they won’t invest more funds solely for this purpose. They insist that funds are used to further the progress on the game or they will not invest. These investors often have rights to control how the funds are being spent which gives us little leeway on how to use the funding we receive. 

Often we think about shutting things down and moving on or at least we consider personally moving on. But we would really like to get everyone paid, so we stick it out and keep working at it even though we are personally getting more in the hole each week. 

Neither Cheyenne Mountain Entertainment, inc. nor myself are involved in MMOGUL’s and have no dealings with them whatsoever. I am not familiar with the email you are referencing or any other information regarding MMOGUL’s.

So you be the judge... Is CME dead??   

So this is why I hate CME's deceitfulness. At the point when CME has hit rock bottom again, they release old armor set screen shots (made by 3rd party vendors) to try and stir up some excitement from their 5 loyal fans on the official forums. Maybe CME asked Mr. Wiki to help create more exposure for SGW?

If they are worried about not getting any more funding and closing shop, sounds like it’s game over!
 

Raltar you can't asnwer an illogical statement with a logical answer. These guys are trying to use the orbiting tea pot argument that goes something like this,

FanOri: Micheal Jackson didn't die, he's orbiting the Earth as we speak with Patrick Stewart!

Raltar: WTF? Do you have any proof?

FanOri: No, but can you disprove it?

Raltar: Put down the pipe man!

FanOri: Naysayer!!!!!!! U don't comprehend!!!!

However when we got evidence the argument changed to,

FanOri: Micheal Jackson didn't die, he's orbiting the Earth as we speak with Patrick Stewart!

Raltar: Actually the doctors say he's dead and his family buried him.

FanOri: But you actually have no proof naysayer!

Raltar: Actually I do and I have this public statement from Patrick Stewart that says he's never even met Jackson!

FanOri: Lies!

Raltar: No just click this link here and you'll see stewarts interview and Jacksons funeral.

FanOri: I see no evidence there *puts fingers in ears* LA LEE LAAAAA LEEE LAAA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

and so on, I just gave up with these guys, most of them came around but the few nutters left just really aren't worth saving. I'd bet there are NASA chimps that've worked it out by now!

Originally posted by yellowperil

A: I was making out that his comprehension may not be like yours.

B: I really didnt expect you to write an essay on everything I said, it was more a point of making people aware he may comprehend stuff differently from you 

A: Yes, it apparently isn't like mine. However there are only two types of comprehension. Correct and incorrect.

If I show two people a piece of paper that says "the house is on fire" and one of them says its a piece of paper which says "the house is one fire" while the other says its a pile of juciy bannanas, which one is has correctly understood the situation? Not the guy who is seeing bannanas, I can tell you that.

So the fact of the matter is that between myself and Kadael, only ONE of us can possibly have correctly comprehended this situation. I have evidence that my understanding is correct. Kadael assumes his understanding is correct simply because that is what he WANTS to believe. Who are you going to trust?

B: In other words, you have the same attitude as Kadael. You want to be able to post your opinion but you don't think anyone should be allowed to reply to it?

Buddy, this is a FORUM, the whole point is that people will reply. Get used to it or go use a BLOG.

Originally posted by Agricola1

Raltar: No just click this link here and you'll see stewarts interview and Jacksons funeral.

FanOri: I see no evidence there *puts fingers in ears* LA LEE LAAAAA LEEE LAAA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

Yeah, that seems to be the way this conversation is going Agricola. They are now trying to claim they are entitled to some kind of alternate understanding of the universe where they can look at a piece of evidence and see something totally different that what everyone else is seeing there.

Originally posted by loveclone

So this is why I hate CME's deceitfulness. At the point when CME has hit rock bottom again, they release old armor set screen shots (made by 3rd party vendors) to try and stir up some excitement from their 5 loyal fans on the official forums. Maybe CME asked Mr. Wiki to help create more exposure for SGW?

If they are worried about not getting any more funding and closing shop, sounds like it’s game over!
 

NC Soft did basically the same thing near the end of Tabula Rasa.  They even kept the game available for download a month after they announced it was dead.

I was in on the alpa tesing debacle for SGW's 

Face it gang the game is dead.  Put it to rest.  If by some miracle a game does come forward it will never be what was expected.

Originally posted by Warbird1

NC Soft did basically the same thing near the end of Tabula Rasa.  They even kept the game available for download a month after they announced it was dead.

I was just about to yell at you and point out that Tabula Rasa was a different situation... then I realized it actually is very similar.

Richard Garriot was paid MILLIONS of dollars by NCsoft for the rights to publish Tabula Rasa. Garriot was supposed to remain on with NCsoft as the lead developer for the game but he took all they money they paid him and ran off to Russia with it to buy himself a trip into outer space, which is where he was around the time the game launched, instead of where he should have been which was doing his job and making sure the game he invented wasn't a piece of crap. After the game failed Richard Garriot thought he could just fade away into the night and nobody would ever be the wiser... but we all saw what he did there.

Now we have Gary Whiting attempting a similar stunt with StarGate Worlds. First he gets a bunch of people to "invest" in the game. Then the money goes... somewhere (although not into development of the game or to pay employees, obviously). After that Gary denies everything and dissapears. He thinks he can get away with it... but we all see what he did there. And apparently so do the eight different people/groups who have filed lawsuits aginst him and CME.

The employees at CME are being pressured to go along with this scheme because Gary owns the whole company and can fire them if they speak out aginst him. Even the former employees are afraid to say anything because they might get black balled in the industry. No game developer wants to hire a person with ethics these days, that would make it hard for them to screw over their customers. So either you play ball with the BS game developers try to pull behind the scenes and keep your mouth shut about it... or you end up as the fry cook at Mcdonalds.

But I respect the guy a McDonalds. Atleast he is honest. Thats a hell of a lot more than I can say for any game developer in the industry these days.

BWAHAHAHA

Talk about timing.

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