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  Loricane

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11/15/09 4:22:34 PM#21

Not sure how either of those companies are evil, exactly.

 

SOE has made -horrible- games, yes, but that just makes them a poor business.  Blizzard created a very successful MMO and manages it poorly.

 

So...unless there's something I'm missing here, neither of these groups is 'evil'. 

  Arezon

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11/15/09 4:29:18 PM#22


Originally posted by Loricane
Not sure how either of those companies are evil, exactly.
 
SOE has made -horrible- games, yes, but that just makes them a poor business.  Blizzard created a very successful MMO and manages it poorly.
 
So...unless there's something I'm missing here, neither of these groups is 'evil'. 


Why do you say Blizzard manages it poorly?

  Distopia

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11/15/09 4:36:37 PM#23
Originally posted by Arezon

 


Originally posted by Loricane
Not sure how either of those companies are evil, exactly.
 
SOE has made -horrible- games, yes, but that just makes them a poor business.  Blizzard created a very successful MMO and manages it poorly.
 
So...unless there's something I'm missing here, neither of these groups is 'evil'. 

 


Why do you say Blizzard manages it poorly?

If anything they handle it exceptionally, I do not think this could be disputed. They are at the top for a reason and poor management definitely is not it.

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  Erstok

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11/15/09 4:39:12 PM#24

So a company is big bad and evil when they make an MMO that doesn't have every feature down to player housing, cybering, etc? Oh wait still doesn't stop players from doing all that crap. Go back to playing board games, if you feel you are wronged in some way. Since at least one of the two companies had enough common sense to use lower end graphics to capture more customer base.

What makes you think MMO's are a democracy to begin with, ha. That's funny.


When did you start playing "old school" MMO's. World Of Warcraft?

  Dawnsinger

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OP  11/15/09 4:50:47 PM#25
Originally posted by Loricane

Not sure how either of those companies are evil, exactly.

 

SOE has made -horrible- games, yes, but that just makes them a poor business.  Blizzard created a very successful MMO and manages it poorly.

 

So...unless there's something I'm missing here, neither of these groups is 'evil'. 

Anything said by Bobby Kotick is pretty much pure, undistilled, consumer hating evil:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kotick#Controversy
http://www.bingegamer.net/2009/bobby-kotick-is-the-devil/
 

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  zymurgeist

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11/15/09 5:00:15 PM#26
Originally posted by Dawnsinger
Originally posted by Loricane

Not sure how either of those companies are evil, exactly.

 

SOE has made -horrible- games, yes, but that just makes them a poor business.  Blizzard created a very successful MMO and manages it poorly.

 

So...unless there's something I'm missing here, neither of these groups is 'evil'. 

Anything said by Bobby Kotick is pretty much pure, undistilled, consumer hating evil:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kotick#Controversy
http://www.bingegamer.net/2009/bobby-kotick-is-the-devil/
 


 

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  Dawnsinger

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OP  11/15/09 5:12:24 PM#27
Originally posted by zymurgeist 

Your clown shoes are showing.

The Bad Behavior

Industry sources say, though, that other gaming companies don't feel quite so positively toward Kotick – in particular, that such a cash-flush company is leaving it up to the others to shoulder the collective cost of piracy protection and first-amendment lobbying via their Entertainment Software Association dues. That is a point of contention.

Activision was the largest publisher to defect not only from last year's E3, but from the ESA – the trade body that represents the interests of all game developers. And while this year, the publisher returned to E3, it still won't rejoin the ESA: "We have our own issues that are not the industry's issues," Kotick has said.

But Activision is part of the industry – so as much smaller publishers manage their pricey ESA dues to support pro-industry lobbying and public awareness campaigns, Activision, one of the world's wealthiest, is sitting out its share. And that decision is viewed in a poor light by other companies.

Also worrying is Kotick's pattern of levying lawsuits against the defiant. Activision dropped gamer-darling Brütal Legend, from its publishing slate in the Vivendi merger because the eagerly-anticipated title, plus other Sierra games, "lacked the potential to be exploited every year on every platform," as Kotick said at the time.

But when EA picked up the game, Activision sued – a move an EA spokesperson now-famously likened to "a husband abandoning his family and then suing after his wife meets a better looking guy." ("Hey, if Activision liked it, then they should have put a ring on it," chimed in creator Tim Schafer.)

Under Kotick's stewardship, Activision seems to be developing a propensity for the sort of legal challenge that makes it look like a bully. There's also the imbroglio over turntable games, when Activision bought embattled developer 7 Studios — who'd been working on Scratch: The Ultimate DJ for Genius Products. Genius now alleges Activision levied its legal muscle and some "unsavory business practices" to delay a possible rival to its own turntable-equipped DJ Hero. Activision mantains its involvement with 7 Studios provides the developer with much-needed financing, and that Scratch had fallen behind in production well before its acquisition.

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  nAAtimus

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11/15/09 5:23:11 PM#28
Originally posted by Malcanis
Originally posted by nAAtimus

I feel "evil" is an obscene exaggeration.

 

Can we agree on "sleazy"?

 

Sleazy is a much better term.

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  Kenaoshi

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11/15/09 5:26:24 PM#29

SOE broke the game in one shot so u rage quit and save money.

Blizzard slowly dumb down the game so u still spend money in hopes it one day will be in its former glory.

so yeah soe is less evil =p

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  Dawnsinger

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OP  11/15/09 5:33:06 PM#30
Originally posted by nAAtimus 

Sleazy is a much better term.

Sleazy would be selling knock off food for cheap in a back alley somewhere, evil is forcing a monopoly on food through morally sceptical business practices and then scoffing at the people buying the food.

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  Swanea

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11/15/09 5:56:08 PM#31

SoE was extremely poorly ran, especially in certain design decisions.  Plain and simple.

 

Blizzard is evil in the fact that they are SLOWLY, and I do mean slowly, making RMTs globally/mainstream accepted.  I said this when they first started doing server changes.  They created a cash shop.  You might not get ingame items, but you buy a "faction change", "race change", "name change".  While these are not ingame items, some games let you buy the ingame item, to do the same thing.  They have recently released a moneyshop ONLY pet.  Judging from the number of the people that rushed to buy it, you can expect many more soon.

 

I said a few months ago race changes were coming before they announced them. I would not be suprised to see Class changes coming post expansion if not the ability to "buy" a 60, 70, or maybe 80.  The class change would have a 3 month cooldown.  The basically let you get to 60 in days or less with the 10% xp Chest/Shoulders (each), 30% xp from quests/mobs for recruit a friend.  So "buying" a 60 would cost the amount to buy the original game (10 20 bucks?), a month sub (15), plus the original persons payments (15) plus the amount of time spent playing (20 bucks for that too).  So lets say 65-90 bucks for a level 60 premade.  They could say "This is to help remove leveling services that plague our game, as well as online sales of accounts."

I have no problem with what they are doing. Money is money.  But they are slowing moving in the direction of RMTs for many things.  So many people I see on so many forums, yell and scream bloody murder when they see RMTs, but than turn around and said, "hey I bought a faction change/pet in wow! So cool dewd!".  Oh well.

  ozerinx

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11/15/09 6:42:18 PM#32

EQ2 - WoW

1. Both game started failing in the same way by too much of a care-bear.

2. Both game failed when they both started cash shops.

3. Both game are heading down hills with end game content. (Not Enough Customization all gears look the same) Not sure about WoW but EQ2 received avatar gear nerf which was extremely messed up.

4. Both Games are Evil, (they get you hooked and then take away your life)  :)

Hitler wasn't evil :O He was just nuts/pyscho.

  User Deleted
11/15/09 6:50:25 PM#33

Ok...did I honestly just read that Hitler wasn't evil, but two companies that make little computer games are?

Some people on this site are seriously out of touch and down-right stupid. 

  User Deleted
11/15/09 6:55:51 PM#34
Originally posted by Eben

Ok...did I honestly just read that Hitler wasn't evil, but two companies that make little computer games are?

Some people on this site are seriously out of touch and down-right stupid. 

 

You really arnt surprised are you? After seeing time and again people not only waiting in line for the next big let down but actually preordering it. Ive stated before that gamers have a unique outlook on what is  acceptable in the way of a quality product. 

  Zairu

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Yes, this is a personal attack.

11/15/09 7:06:21 PM#35

I put up a post on this site a few months ago about how SOE accessed my bank account and resubbed me to Vangaurd without my permission or knowledge of. It went unnoticed for a few months since my wife checks those things online and at the time we both had accounts to EQ2 so when she saw it taken out she just assumed it was for EQ2. She did not notice until we canceled our EQ2 accounts (wanted to take a break).

there is no way possible that i somehow resubbed to a game that had been deleted from my computer for 2 months (at the time it randomly resubbed). I didn't sleepwalk to my computer and do it. I would not 'forget'. I had no intention of replaying Vangaurd. so don't even waste time with ideas like that. it was deffinitly not a mistake on my end.

so they basicly got me for a total of nearly 75$ (5 months). CSR told me (in diffrent words) that I was lying to them and i was hung up upon by about 4 people. one was their 'manager' who I was told before would not talk to me in the 1st place. I was told that only Lyman Tutle could give a refund and he only accepted E-mails. our reply from him was an automated response pointing out no refunds in the user agreement. we use debit card and I was told by the bank that because of this there was no way to get it back under 'fraud'.

thats pretty evilif you ask me. fraud and theft.

i didn't come here to defend Blizzard but in 3 years they never did anything like that to me. Where SOE did it during only a 6 month period of playing their games.

  ozerinx

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11/15/09 8:54:33 PM#36

uhmm I really doubt.. they resubbed you because first of all why "you". And they can easily do it to 128390123 people so if there has been lots of cases im pretty sure they would have law suit up the ass.

 

As to the hitler comment you people need a sense of humor t-t  considering the OP is saying game companies are evil.

  Caleveira

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11/15/09 10:51:15 PM#37

Was the Hitler thing edited out? I couldn't find it myself...

Evil is a word that shouldn't be thrown around so often as it takes away from the impact the term should hold when speaking of the real deal (yes, Hitler & co.). Genocide should not be equalled to bad bussiness management even as a matter of degree.

SOE and Blizzard are mediocre companies, they could have both revolutionized the genre instead of promoting it's stagnation.

Kotick and Smedley are just douches.

Just to make things clear...
I speak for myself and no one else, unless i state otherwise mine is just an opinion. A fact is something that can be independently verified, you may challenge such but with proof. You have every right to disagree with me through sound argument, i believe in constructive debate, but baseless aggression will warrant an unkind response.

  User Deleted
11/15/09 10:58:35 PM#38

SOE? Evil? Don't make me laugh. SOE is just plain stupid, nothing more.

  User Deleted
11/16/09 12:24:52 AM#39
Originally posted by Caleveira

Was the Hitler thing edited out? I couldn't find it myself...

Evil is a word that shouldn't be thrown around so often as it takes away from the impact the term should hold when speaking of the real deal (yes, Hitler & co.). Genocide should not be equalled to bad bussiness management even as a matter of degree.

SOE and Blizzard are mediocre companies, they could have both revolutionized the genre instead of promoting it's stagnation.

Kotick and Smedley are just douches.

 

Post #32, last sentence:

"Hitler wasn't evil :O He was just nuts/pyscho."

  User Deleted
11/16/09 12:27:54 AM#40
Originally posted by ozerinx

As to the hitler comment you people need a sense of humor t-t  considering the OP is saying game companies are evil.

 

Sorry, difficult to have a sense of humor about attempted genocide, especially when some kid on a gaming forum says the person responsible wasn't evil.  Get some perspective, and just because you meant it to be a joke doesn't mean it's funny. 

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