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11/13/09 1:35:10 PM#21
Originally posted by kattehus I want to agree with you that most MMO's as well as other (computer/console-)games labeled "roleplaying game" are not really roleplaying games, but it really depends on what meaning you put in it. Dungeons and Dragons is a roleplaying game, most people say. But isn't that aswell just hack'n'slash (ie "action") with some fluff added? Of course, this both depends on players and the GM, but still? Hmm sort of but not really. Its only a hack'n'slash game if the people want it to be. I've played in a number of well run D&D sessions where there was no combat at all. I assume you are referring to the proper D&D roleplaying game and not just a computer version. The thing is true roleplaying games (ie dice rolling variety) rely almost completely on the players imaginations to work properly. The upside of this is that with the right people involved you can do absolutely anything that you would imagine your character doing (true roleplaying) and a good GM will be able to cause the game world and its characters to react accordingly. This is something we simply cant get out of an MMO. I agree though that there is a heavy emphasis on combat in the D&D rulebook but there are also rules and systems for performing any action. Mind you I heard that the most recent edition of D&D has become dumbed down and heavily influenced by MMOs which is an incredibly depressing thought. Classes in D&D are now apparently referred to as tank, healer, melee or dps. WTF?! I won't argue that a lot of games aren't "real" RPGs, but when you play a role in a game isn't the game a roleplaying game? In that case, pretty much any game where you're not playing yourself is a roleplaying game. And that's what some people will stand by. Yeah I've had this same conversation before and I agree totally. Even Mario Bros could be classed as an rpg! A game doesnt have to have stats, levels and classes to be a roleplaying game. On the MMO part.. Based on the fact that playing online is optional, I wouldn't say it's an MMO - entirely based on the word "Massively". But hey, people have different views on things, and (almost) no matter what you write on an online forum, (almost) no one will change their views because of you. The line "Too long, didn't read" comes to mind. Hmm kind of but then I can play most MMOs solo. In fact I often do and just completely ignore the fact that other players are running around me. Those players dont have any real impact on the game I am playing (except perhaps influencing what I can buy from an auction house) and I certainly dont need them to play it.....although it depends on the game of course. In those situations to all intents and purposes its the same as playing the game offline. Playing with other people (ie the online aspect) is kind of optional in a way. I think I do actually view Diablo 3 as an MMO but with the option to play it offline. I'd rant on, but then I'd go far too off topic, so I'll end it here. (: Oh go on. Give us a big long rant. This is the best place for it ;)
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11/13/09 1:42:14 PM#22
Originally posted by Vulnero87
Yeah but we cant totally rely on the categories in websites can we because thats just based on peoples personal viewpoints. For example I could make a website and insist that World of Warcraft is a shoot em up. Just because its on the web doesnt make it true. Besides Guild Wars is listed as an MMO and people still dispute it. The thing is Diablo 3 actually does have all the features that classes a game as an MMO. |
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11/13/09 8:49:21 PM#23
Does Diablo 3 have a persistent world? No? Then it's not an MMORPG. |
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11/13/09 8:59:51 PM#24
Diablo isn't even remotely a MMORPG so why would it have a forum? It's also at least a year to two years away, so once again, why forum? Bans a perma, but so are sigs in necro posts. EAT ME MMORPG.com! |
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Zorgo
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Joined: 12/05/05
Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising? |
11/13/09 9:08:18 PM#25
Originally posted by F3rrets
For cryin out loud did anyone in this post even read this part of the OP. It's fairly obvious that he understood Diablo wasn't really a "mmo". Why must you all crucify him for an understandable lack of precision in his language.
Or perhaps you are right and it is this type of careless use of the word 'mmo' which has put such a stain upon the genre...we must attack....geez. |
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11/13/09 9:12:00 PM#26
Diablo 3 is not an MMO. It's an RPG and you can play multiplayer but there is always that pesky MM in the MMORPG. It stands for MASSIVELY Multiplayer. WHich means that there needs to be a lot of people playing at once. I think a good number for this would be somewhere over 20 or so. In Diablo 3 you can maybe have...I dunno...4? tops? It's not a massively multiplayer online role playing game. It shouldn't get a forum. GO talk about it in general gaming. |
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11/13/09 10:32:09 PM#27
Originally posted by Vexe
20 people playing together to you is an mmo? So every Xbox game with multiplayer supporting 30+ players counts as an mmo? LOL MASSIVELY multiplayer means at least HUNDREDS, and more preferably thousands.
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11/13/09 10:41:37 PM#28
Lol, you didnt even read what he said. Now you look stupid ah, ha, ha, ha.... |
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Bigdavo
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Joined: 1/21/06
''Life is what you make of it, not what others make of yours.'' |
11/13/09 10:42:45 PM#29
Originally posted by Zorvan01
20 people playing together to you is an mmo? So every Xbox game with multiplayer supporting 30+ players counts as an mmo? LOL MASSIVELY multiplayer means at least HUNDREDS, and more preferably thousands.
Wb Zorvan. I see why you haven't been around in a while :P O_o o_O |
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11/13/09 10:44:31 PM#30
Theirs already plenty of titles on the game list that definitely ARE NOT MMORPG's in any sense of the word. |
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11/13/09 11:01:18 PM#31
Originally posted by razorlines
Very true.
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11/13/09 11:05:42 PM#32
Originally posted by Zorvan01
20 people playing together to you is an mmo? So every Xbox game with multiplayer supporting 30+ players counts as an mmo? LOL MASSIVELY multiplayer means at least HUNDREDS, and more preferably thousands. In an instance at the same time. Should've clarified that. |
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Narug
 Novice Member
Joined: 2/04/08
Not everything that is more difficult is more meritorious. - Saint Thomas Aquinas |
11/13/09 11:12:13 PM#33
Hellgate: London is still on the list at this site. Guess that closes the case for me game related type wise. "The eternal difference between right and wrong does not fluctuate, it is immutable." — Patrick Henry |
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11/14/09 5:16:21 PM#34
Originally posted by Narug Why? |
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11/14/09 5:21:59 PM#35
Originally posted by Vexe Why?
In other words, the people running the site don't care that many of the games they advertise and have listed with forums are not mmos ( and in some cases barely qualified as rpgs ), so why should we? I'm personally waiting for the day they have Call of Duty and Counterstrike listed as mmos.
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11/14/09 5:31:07 PM#36
Originally posted by SaintViktor
um D3 been in the making since 2004, if anything torchlight is just makin a diablo clone with subscription |
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11/14/09 5:32:52 PM#37
Originally posted by Zorvan01
In other words, the people running the site don't care that many of the games they advertise and have listed with forums are not mmos ( and in some cases barely qualified as rpgs ), so why should we? I'm personally waiting for the day they have Call of Duty and Counterstrike listed as mmos. No, I mean why is hellgate london not an MMO? Because there's a single-player option? |
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11/14/09 5:35:07 PM#38
Originally posted by razorlines
Yup, but the staff here has done that to trap the stupid people. It's a cheap form of entertainment. |
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11/14/09 5:36:37 PM#39
Originally posted by Vexe
In other words, the people running the site don't care that many of the games they advertise and have listed with forums are not mmos ( and in some cases barely qualified as rpgs ), so why should we? I'm personally waiting for the day they have Call of Duty and Counterstrike listed as mmos. No, I mean why is hellgate london not an MMO? Because there's a single-player option? For the same reason Diablo is not. It was nothing but a piss-poor action rpg with multiplayer. Bill Roper just tacked on the term "mmo" to try to justify charging people to play the multiplayer portion.
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11/14/09 5:41:04 PM#40
Originally posted by Zorvan01 No, I mean why is hellgate london not an MMO? Because there's a single-player option? For the same reason Diablo is not. It was nothing but a piss-poor action rpg with multiplayer. Bill Roper just tacked on the term "mmo" to try to justify charging people to play the multiplayer portion. Well I agree that you shouldn't have to pay for the multiplayer part of the game, I do think hellgate london is not a sure-fire example of "not an MMO". You can play with hundreds of people online, just all the zones except for hte towns are instanced. Like Guild wars kind of. The last time I played guild wars, anyway. Just not as many people. In the previous diablo games you could only play with I think a max of 3 other people. Maybe even less than that. Unless they are adding a huge multi-player option that is much bigger than their previous game's, it is much less qualified than hellgate. |
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