I played WoW at launch and loved the game for just over 4 years, i stopped playing 6 or 7 months ago because .. well .. its an amazing game but how long can you play the same game for? It was the same for counterstrike (with me anyways) i loved the game but after 4 years it just becomes repetitive (although since its f2p i still play it once in a while). 

But i've looked for a new mmo since i quit WoW i've played pretty much all the main stream post WoW mmos (WAR, AoC, Aion, EVE, Fallen Earth, EQ2, Vanguard). Every single one of these games has a similarity about them, the endless WoW hate, and the endless "if you don't like it go back to WoW". 

It's like nobody ever played WoW, like 10 million subscribers came from nowhere and none of them went on to other games. Anyways i'm sick of tired of the stigma against any current or retired WoW player. I think its funny how many people deny they play/played WoW just because of so much hatred that brings up in some people. 

Dude, the problem with WOW fanboys is that these are the people that go into a new game and expect everything to be WOW. They expect the same features and demand them even when they wouldn't suit the game. They expect the same level of difficulty (none), the same level of polish (which WOW didn't have at launch) and consistently trash the game they're trying while comparing it to WOW. Go to the Aion forums if you don't believe me, you'll see how many people are just sick of hearing about WOW all day long. The "stigma" the WOW comunity has brought upon itself... Trust me on this, no one will hold it against you that you used to play WOW if you don't needlessly bring it up in every conversation.

And for the record, WOW was my first MMO and yes, it made me fall in love with the genre. It's also about the worst MMO i've played and had the worst of comunities i've been involved with. 

 I actually did play Aion, and did follow the forums. Pretty much anyone that makes a constructive criticism of that game is told to go back to WoW. 

example: "man what the hell i reported this bot like 30 times and the bastard is still here grinding my quest mobs"

- response "whatever noob go back to WoW"

example 2 "man whats the deal with people preferering to fall to their death instead of losing ap"

- response "Aion is fine go back to WoW newb"

pretty much generic responses i've seen on any aion forums, they were the same for WAR. Not so much Age of Conan though for some reason. 

You also prove a point of acting like WoW has no difficulty at all... Like the original cthun fight at 60 wasn't almost impossible, like getting gladiator in arenas isn't hard at all. There is a lot of things in WoW that cater to the casual player, but hell thats one of the reasons that made the game so great. You could log on play for an hour and log off and feel like you achieved something. 

WoW is the ultimate hybrid. It does everything well but excells at nothing. All options available in the genre for any type of player (sandbox excluded) is in WoW. The players that have been playing the game want the same options in all the new games that launch. If something is missing that they like, they bash the new game and say WoW was better.

The biggest issue will always be the specs to play the game. Millions of players out there have pc's that can not play any of the new games as smoothly as WoW. Also, many of the WoW players started months or years after the game launched and believe that the amount of polish now is how every game should launch. The biggest game on the block will always be compaired to anything else out. That is the way it works like it or not.

I'm pretty sick of this notion that all WoW players are 12-year olds, especially when I see behavior just as bad, and often worse than WoW, in many many other MMOs.   AoC has a horrible community, as did Aion for the few weeks I played it.  The only games that have stuck in my mind as being more mature in the past decade, are EVE and LOTRO.  The rest seem to have just as many douchebags as WoW, just at varying proportional rates. 

its because the stupid fans from WoW quit WoW but want the game they are looking at to be JUST LIKE WoW.

X game combat sucks WoW does it like this

X game quest sucks this is why WoW is so successful

X game xp is slow WoWs xp is faster

X game classes are unbalanced, WoW does this for classes

and of course when you mention there are other ways than WoW whats the next thing the typical WoW fanatic says.

WELL WOW HAS 10 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS SO IF YOU WANT THIS GAME TO BE AS SUCCESSFUL AS WOW ......

and you still wonder why WoW players are some of the most hated in all the genre.

Originally posted by Eben

I'm pretty sick of this notion that all WoW players are 12-year olds, especially when I see behavior just as bad, and often worse than WoW, in many many other MMOs.   AoC has a horrible community, as did Aion for the few weeks I played it.  The only games that have stuck in my mind as being more mature in the past decade, are EVE and LOTRO.  The rest seem to have just as many douchebags as WoW, just at varying proportional rates. 

I agree with you on EVE and LoTRO, but EQ1, for a long time, especially during the initial launch, had a mature crowd.

I'm rather more sick of the talk of subscription numbers associated with MMORPGs.  It appears that there are more financial anaylists than gamers playing MMOs these days.

Originally posted by Lork

Originally posted by Eben

I'm pretty sick of this notion that all WoW players are 12-year olds, especially when I see behavior just as bad, and often worse than WoW, in many many other MMOs.   AoC has a horrible community, as did Aion for the few weeks I played it.  The only games that have stuck in my mind as being more mature in the past decade, are EVE and LOTRO.  The rest seem to have just as many douchebags as WoW, just at varying proportional rates. 

 

I agree with you on EVE and LoTRO, but EQ1, for a long time, especially during the initial launch, had a mature crowd.

I'd like to agree with you, but I honestly don't remember.  I played EQ1 for about a year, and for the life of me, I really can't remember all that much about it.

Originally posted by Eben

I'm pretty sick of this notion that all WoW players are 12-year olds, especially when I see behavior just as bad, and often worse than WoW, in many many other MMOs.   AoC has a horrible community, as did Aion for the few weeks I played it.  The only games that have stuck in my mind as being more mature in the past decade, are EVE and LOTRO.  The rest seem to have just as many douchebags as WoW, just at varying proportional rates. 

If you want to see different behaviour, you should look at games that aren't copies of WoW instead. 

People will always pick on the #1 game, the #1 sports teams, the #1 guy in the class, etc..  Don't worry too much about it, I personally enjoyed WoW and thought it was a quality game, made by a quality gaming company.  Just because I've moved on and don't prefer it anymore, doesn't mean I hate it.  But you can't change how people act, they'll always pick on the #1 game on the market.

EQ1 was getting picked on before WoW came into picture, just to put things into perspective.

Originally posted by artemisentr4

WoW is the ultimate hybrid. It does everything well but excells at nothing. All options available in the genre for any type of player (sandbox excluded) is in WoW. The players that have been playing the game want the same options in all the new games that launch. If something is missing that they like, they bash the new game and say WoW was better.

The biggest issue will always be the specs to play the game. Millions of players out there have pc's that can not play any of the new games as smoothly as WoW. Also, many of the WoW players started months or years after the game launched and believe that the amount of polish now is how every game should launch. The biggest game on the block will always be compaired to anything else out. That is the way it works like it or not.

Obviously there are a lot of current/former wow players and there is no one universal answer to what wow players want, but I don't agree with you here.

I think wow excels at almost everything it does, which is why it attracts so many more people than any other game.  That is to say that if there were so many other games that really did things so much better than wow, they would reap the benefits of attracting more players.  There are most likely millions of former wow players alone who are looking for another mmo to play. 

Don't take that to read as wow is the best at everything it does, because it certainly isn't.  At the same time I don't think there is a vast list of games with superior gameplay in comparison. 

Furthermore I don't think wow players are get turned off other games that are not wow, but rather that those games are to similar to wow.  What most games end up offerings is gameplay strikingly similar to wow with less features, polish, content and variety. 

Right now the mmo genre is not evolving or innovating and many people simply need something to blame. 

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Originally posted by Eben

I'm pretty sick of this notion that all WoW players are 12-year olds, especially when I see behavior just as bad, and often worse than WoW, in many many other MMOs.   AoC has a horrible community, as did Aion for the few weeks I played it.  The only games that have stuck in my mind as being more mature in the past decade, are EVE and LOTRO.  The rest seem to have just as many douchebags as WoW, just at varying proportional rates. 

If you want to see different behaviour, you should look at games that aren't copies of WoW instead. 

Yup, because this genre is just chock-full of non-WoW clones, amiright?

Well OP there are people out there that have never played WOW yet the ones "go back to wow" have or do play wow. Yet SEARCH those FORUMS , most the time its THOSE people that we hear wow this or wow that.. or dont make this like those WOW Fans keep posting, yet LMAO you search and search and cant find ONE post on WOW..

EVERY mmo we play will be like WOW, WOW is like EQ, UO... blah blah

Anyway.. lol who cares.. You have to be totally WACK to not respect what Blizzard has done with World Of Warcraft. Like it or not.. they did what others still cant. Thats to get more people to play ONE mmo more than any other.. and still going strong. So people get upset with just that tiny thing.. take it personal and lash out .. make fun of it and those that play it.. yet Blizzard still takes in millions, people still playing having a great time and the poor soul that does not is still pissed, upset.. lol.. who cares..

Originally posted by Zeblade

Well OP there are people out there that have never played WOW yet the ones "go back to wow" have or do play wow. Yet SEARCH those FORUMS , most the time its THOSE people that we hear wow this or wow that.. or dont make this like those WOW Fans keep posting, yet LMAO you search and search and cant find ONE post on WOW..

EVERY mmo we play will be like WOW, WOW is like EQ, UO... blah blah

Anyway.. lol who cares.. You have to be totally WACK to not respect what Blizzard has done with World Of Warcraft. Like it or not.. they did what others still cant. Thats to get more people to play ONE mmo more than any other.. and still going strong. So people get upset with just that tiny thing.. take it personal and lash out .. make fun of it and those that play it.. yet Blizzard still takes in millions, people still playing having a great time and the poor soul that does not is still pissed, upset.. lol.. who cares..

If there was any logic in your post, it was lost in your rambling.

Originally posted by Ravanos

its because the stupid fans from WoW quit WoW but want the game they are looking at to be JUST LIKE WoW.

 

and you still wonder why WoW players are some of the most hated in all the genre.

This.

There is a reason why I quit playing WoW and I now play mmorpgs that are anything like WoW. And I the last thing that I want to happen is that those games will WoW-like as well because of some brats that played WoW, got bored ( can´t blame them for that ) and wants other mmorpgs to be just as easy.

Just because they could reach max lvl without dying once in WoW at first try, you can´t expect do that in other mmorpgs as well, believe it or not there are people out there that likes challenges. I do look at WoW patch notes from time to time, because they rarely fails to give me a good laugh and remind me to stay the hell away from that game.

Success breeds hatred. Its really that simple. If WoW disappeared and some other MMO took its place that MMO would then become the target.

Also Id like to give a special shout out to Caleveira. Thank you for proving the OPs point(in the first response no less) and doing it with sweeping generalisations as well. Nicely done.

Caleveira complains about WoW fanboys trolling other MMOs so he defends their honor by trolling right back. Thank you for perpetuating the never ending cycle of hatred.

Originally posted by DiSpLiFF

 I actually did play Aion, and did follow the forums. Pretty much anyone that makes a constructive criticism of that game is told to go back to WoW. 

example: "man what the hell i reported this bot like 30 times and the bastard is still here grinding my quest mobs"

- response "whatever noob go back to WoW"

example 2 "man whats the deal with people preferering to fall to their death instead of losing ap"

- response "Aion is fine go back to WoW newb"

pretty much generic responses i've seen on any aion forums, they were the same for WAR. Not so much Age of Conan though for some reason. 

You also prove a point of acting like WoW has no difficulty at all... Like the original cthun fight at 60 wasn't almost impossible, like getting gladiator in arenas isn't hard at all. There is a lot of things in WoW that cater to the casual player, but hell thats one of the reasons that made the game so great. You could log on play for an hour and log off and feel like you achieved something. 

No, you're choosing skewed examples;
 

response1 would be; "NC sucks, bla, bla, they're in bed with gold farmers, it's always like this in all their games."

response2 would be;"This is so people can't get out of PvP by just falling."

"Go back to WOW" usually only follows when people refuse to use logic when arguing, they refer to WOW themselves or it's obvious by what they criticize ("game's too grindy") that they actually did expect the game to be more like WOW and couldn't bother to do even symbolic research before they bought the game.

The poster arguing as to why WOW players are hated is absolutely right. 

Edit; @Xiaoqui; I was actually providing an explanation that isn't just outright disqualifying anyone who doesn't think WOW is the "best game ever". If you want to stop this "cycle of hatred" i would advice you to actually listen to what people are saying whenever someone compares their games to WOW; "Go back to WOW."

And BTW; This wasn't posted on the WOW forums...

"..."Go back to WOW" usually only follows when people refuse to use logic when arguing, they refer to WOW themselves or it's obvious by what they criticize ("game's too grindy") that they actually did expect the game to be more like WOW and couldn't bother to do even symbolic research before they bought the game..."

I've found the opposite to be true.  When you ask the typical players who bash WoW, tell people who disagree with them to go back to WoW, or refuse criticism on whatever game they are playing what their previous MMO experience is you'll find that if they did play WoW it's usually a brief stint (less than one month, most don't play WoW for more an a week) if they have any experience at WoW at all (I'm willing to bet a few haven't even played WoW, but don't want to look stupid for bashing something they haven't even played, so say they played it for a week or so).  They didn't like WoW and become extremely bias if you say anything negative about their dislikes, yet have no problems bashing WoW or whatever else is popular.  Any players who might disagree with them they throw in the WoW crowd and often will even go to lengths to get those players off whatever servers they are on.  (Works also, since those players aren't going to stick around and play a bad game with a close-minded community)

It's easy to be critical of a game when WoW is superior in just about every aspect.  Artmeisentr4 mentioned that WoW is the ultimate hybrid and does everything well and excels at nothing.  I agree, but the problem with current MMOs is either they try to be hybrids yet don't do ANYTHING even "well" or they focus on one aspect and do no better or worse than WoW does it in.  This is why Eve Online is pretty successful despite being very niche, it focuses on it's main aspect well and does it better than WoW.  Even WoW didn't try to focus on all aspects at release (there was no PvP system in place at release, the game was pretty much exclusively PvE, the PvP was added in later slowly in varying increments).  Thus the biggest critics of games tend to be people who played and enjoyed WoW for years (or another high quality for it's time game like UO or EQ), not the opposite.

I in no way think WoW is the best game ever.  I think most single player games are much more enjoyable than a typical hour or so WoW is going to provide you.  I played EQ1 for almost 2 times as long as I played WoW (5 years or so playing EQ1).  It's just the majority of MMOs we get now are crap.

Originally posted by Caleveira

Dude, the problem with WOW fanboys is that these are the people that go into a new game and expect everything to be WOW. They expect the same features and demand them even when they wouldn't suit the game. They expect the same level of difficulty (none), the same level of polish (which WOW didn't have at launch) and consistently trash the game they're trying while comparing it to WOW. Go to the Aion forums if you don't believe me, you'll see how many people are just sick of hearing about WOW all day long. The "stigma" the WOW comunity has brought upon itself... Trust me on this, no one will hold it against you that you used to play WOW if you don't needlessly bring it up in every conversation.

And for the record, WOW was my first MMO and yes, it made me fall in love with the genre. It's also about the worst MMO i've played and had the worst of comunities i've been involved with. 

120% agree. I don't hate the game WoW, I hate the community it spewed forth.

I also played WoW for 2 years...first MMORPG was EQ. =)