Originally posted by MMMOGIRL

 

Ok, it was implied that the quests were IN the Scenerios and if you're talking about the "welcome back on the battlefield" quests, I find them to be quite useless and therefore never did them. I did PLENTY of SC runs in War with many premades.

I am not referring to the welcome back quests. Those are relatively (several months, though) recent.

Here is a quote:

"Pay attention. Each scenario has a related quest you can pick up before going in, which rewards you whether you win or lose. Now, that is carebear."

That does not imply that the quests were IN the scenarios.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by MMMOGIRL 

Really? You can honestly say you have fun in WoW PvP, killing and getting no points, just uselessly running a flag back and forth and having your corpse camped so you cant do a flippin thing in the game???

"Honestly a pve game should not have better pvp than a dedicated pvp game" And WoW certainly DOES NOT have better PvP than War, Not by a loooonnggg shot.

If you count performance, frankly, they are even.

Warhammer had at least 300,000 subs earlier this year, just before and after the release of patch 1.3.2, they are now hovering above 150,000. Point proven.

Source: MMOData.net

Shenanigans!

End-game changes and population imbalance largest factor in Wars loss of subs over the last two months.

Source: Warhammeronline.com Forums

You're using the game's official fora for a source? Do you know what bias is?

You're confusing personal bias with numerous player opinion and individual experiences. The forums are a place to discuss your opinions and experiences on a game and all its inner workings. Its amazing that you would think that 90% of the people speaking their dissatisfaction of the totally EVIDENT population imbalance and horridly boring end-game as complete bias.

Destruction doing City Seiges 4+x  per day is NOT BIAS. The devs are even taking note on it constantly happening. Destruction taking all BOs in RvR throughout most of every day is NOT BIAS. ITs plain fact my friend, and fanbois like you refuse to see the truth.

Originally posted by MMMOGIRL

ITs plain fact my friend, and fanbois like you refuse to see the truth.

Are you for real? You're calling me a fanboy? ME?

Good lord. Someone please set this person straight.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by MMMOGIRL

 

Ok, it was implied that the quests were IN the Scenerios and if you're talking about the "welcome back on the battlefield" quests, I find them to be quite useless and therefore never did them. I did PLENTY of SC runs in War with many premades.

I am not referring to the welcome back quests. Those are relatively (several months, though) recent.

 

Here is a quote:

"Pay attention. Each scenario has a related quest you can pick up before going in, which rewards you whether you win or lose. Now, that is carebear."

That does not imply that the quests were IN the scenarios.

Considering Scenerios do not have a "doorway" you can just walk up to, exactly where are these quests you are referring to that you can "pick up before you go in"? You can Queue for a Scenerio anywhere in your level tier. The only Scenerio related quests I have seen are the "Welcome Back on The Battlefield" ones that (its already been stated) give low xp and coin.

And I like how you only dispute that you are not a "fanboy" and not the facts that I expressed in my point of whats Wars biggest reason for losing subs recently.

hmm, Hard Core Member, 1670 posts all in just 4 months, Fanboy or Troll???

Im done with this thread. Retaliate and attack all you want. I refuse to try to debate with a wall.

Originally posted by MMMOGIRL

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by MMMOGIRL

 

Ok, it was implied that the quests were IN the Scenerios and if you're talking about the "welcome back on the battlefield" quests, I find them to be quite useless and therefore never did them. I did PLENTY of SC runs in War with many premades.

I am not referring to the welcome back quests. Those are relatively (several months, though) recent.

 

Here is a quote:

"Pay attention. Each scenario has a related quest you can pick up before going in, which rewards you whether you win or lose. Now, that is carebear."

That does not imply that the quests were IN the scenarios.

Considering Scenerios do not have a "doorway" you can just walk up to, exactly where are these quests you are referring to that you can "pick up before you go in"? You can Queue for a Scenerio anywhere in your level tier. The only Scenerio related quests I have seen are the "Welcome Back on The Battlefield" ones that (its already been stated) give low xp and coin.

And I like how you only dispute that you are not a "fanboy" and not the facts that I expressed in my point of whats Wars biggest reason for losing subs recently.

hmm, Hard Core Member, 1670 posts all in just 4 months, Fanboy or Troll???

Im done with this thread. Retaliate and attack all you want. I refuse to try to debate with a wall.

You pick up multiple repeatable quests for scenarios at the warcamps. Next time do you research before flaming someone like an idiot.

Originally posted by MMMOGIRL 

You're confusing personal bias with numerous player opinion and individual experiences. The forums are a place to discuss your opinions and experiences on a game and all its inner workings. Its amazing that you would think that 90% of the people speaking their dissatisfaction of the totally EVIDENT population imbalance and horridly boring end-game as complete bias.

Destruction doing City Seiges 4+x  per day is NOT BIAS. The devs are even taking note on it constantly happening. Destruction taking all BOs in RvR throughout most of every day is NOT BIAS. ITs plain fact my friend, and fanbois like you refuse to see the truth.

90% of people complaining about 1 problem means they are not happy with that 1 problem.  It does not mean they think the rest of the game is fine or there are no other show stopping problems.

Again I ask you, do you think people would flock back to warhammer if they put a population cap on the game?  Would that resolve the problems the majority of people had with the game? 

Originally posted by MMMOGIRL

Considering Scenerios do not have a "doorway" you can just walk up to, exactly where are these quests you are referring to that you can "pick up before you go in"? You can Queue for a Scenerio anywhere in your level tier. The only Scenerio related quests I have seen are the "Welcome Back on The Battlefield" ones that (its already been stated) give low xp and coin.

And I like how you only dispute that you are not a "fanboy" and not the facts that I expressed in my point of whats Wars biggest reason for losing subs recently.

hmm, Hard Core Member, 1670 posts all in just 4 months, Fanboy or Troll???

Im done with this thread. Retaliate and attack all you want. I refuse to try to debate with a wall.

I was going to answer your points, but you have stated you are done.

Asking questions and then leaving before getting a reply? Interesting technique, there.

Originally posted by MMMOGIRL 

Considering Scenerios do not have a "doorway" you can just walk up to, exactly where are these quests you are referring to that you can "pick up before you go in"? You can Queue for a Scenerio anywhere in your level tier. The only Scenerio related quests I have seen are the "Welcome Back on The Battlefield" ones that (its already been stated) give low xp and coin.

I think he is referring to the quests in the war camps that have objectives inside the scenarios.  There were usually 2-3 that were specific to each scenario.  Kill 10-15 enemies and 2 others I forget.  

I don't recall if any reward for losing the scenario though.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by MMMOGIRL 

Considering Scenerios do not have a "doorway" you can just walk up to, exactly where are these quests you are referring to that you can "pick up before you go in"? You can Queue for a Scenerio anywhere in your level tier. The only Scenerio related quests I have seen are the "Welcome Back on The Battlefield" ones that (its already been stated) give low xp and coin.

 

I think he is referring to the quests in the war camps that have objectives inside the scenarios.  There were usually 2-3 that were specific to each scenario.  Kill 10-15 enemies and 2 others I forget.  

I don't recall if any reward for losing the scenario though.

Not those, either, no. Each scenario (at least in the lower two tiers) has a questgiver located in the respective warcamp (empire T1 for Nordenwatch) for a repeatable 'participation' quest which is completed by finishing that scenario - regardless of victory or defeat.

Just curious, How is a level 80 camping someone below level 80 not carebear? How are WoW PvP servers not carebear?

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Magtheridon&n=Nivz

That is my character on Magtheridon(pvp server), which I promptly quit once I saw the joke of an end game that is WoW. Anyways, the only PvP I ever saw was when I was outnumbered or outleveled. Dude, that is worse than carebear. WoW PvP is a laughing stock.

Originally posted by DillingerEP

Originally posted by Frostbite05

Originally posted by DillingerEP

I still find it funny, people who play WoW of all games... calling War care bear of all thing's. WoW is the biggest pussified game on the market right now... some how griefing apparently = hardcore. Why are you guy's not playing a game like Darkfall.... to much to handle???

 

No one really plays DF because of the poor game mechanics. Dated Graphics and lack of content. Full loot pvp will never work nor become popular because no one wants to spend a month of their time and lose it randomly to a group of ppl who just gank 1 person with 5 ppl.

Sigh, no offense but i don't give a crap... about why *you* don't like DF. 

What are you dense? How many servers does Darkfall have? How many does Aion, WAR, AoC, WoW, LOTR etc etc?

Darkfall is a failed game, FFA full loot PvP or not. It is made by amatures for pimple faced nerds who get their rocks of by griefing other people.

As for WAR. Well the PvP in WAR is meaningless, you lose your capital or capture your opponents capital, doesnt make much difference... hence why people left the game in droves. They expected a war and got eh... I dont know excactly. Not a war anyway.

Calling things Carebear is still pretty Lamebear. Just because you flex your proverbial internet muscles and call something carebear doesnt prove just how cool you are. In fact its usually a sign of great immaturity...I would hazard a guess you are either a teenager still in highschool or a 20 something living at home with Mommie and Daddy.

Originally posted by MMMOGIRL

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by MMMOGIRL

 

Ok, it was implied that the quests were IN the Scenerios and if you're talking about the "welcome back on the battlefield" quests, I find them to be quite useless and therefore never did them. I did PLENTY of SC runs in War with many premades.

I am not referring to the welcome back quests. Those are relatively (several months, though) recent.

 

Here is a quote:

"Pay attention. Each scenario has a related quest you can pick up before going in, which rewards you whether you win or lose. Now, that is carebear."

That does not imply that the quests were IN the scenarios.

Considering Scenerios do not have a "doorway" you can just walk up to, exactly where are these quests you are referring to that you can "pick up before you go in"? You can Queue for a Scenerio anywhere in your level tier. The only Scenerio related quests I have seen are the "Welcome Back on The Battlefield" ones that (its already been stated) give low xp and coin.

And I like how you only dispute that you are not a "fanboy" and not the facts that I expressed in my point of whats Wars biggest reason for losing subs recently.

hmm, Hard Core Member, 1670 posts all in just 4 months, Fanboy or Troll???

Im done with this thread. Retaliate and attack all you want. I refuse to try to debate with a wall.

No offense but if you did not know about the scenario quests then you really should not talk about the game. I noticed those quests maybe in the second or third day of playing the game....

Originally posted by Maelkor

Calling things Carebear is still pretty Lamebear. Just because you flex your proverbial internet muscles and call something carebear doesnt prove just how cool you are. In fact its usually a sign of great immaturity...I would hazard a guess you are either a teenager still in highschool or a 20 something living at home with Mommie and Daddy.

Why are people getting stuckup on that therm? What he means is: game-with-no-consequences-for-losing-or-winning-in-pvp-and-discourages-open-world-ffa-pvp.

Get over it already.

 Hey guys and gals. This is a good thread but let's keep the flaming out of it. I don't want to have to start deleting threads. Thanks!

Araris

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by MMMOGIRL 

You're confusing personal bias with numerous player opinion and individual experiences. The forums are a place to discuss your opinions and experiences on a game and all its inner workings. Its amazing that you would think that 90% of the people speaking their dissatisfaction of the totally EVIDENT population imbalance and horridly boring end-game as complete bias.

Destruction doing City Seiges 4+x  per day is NOT BIAS. The devs are even taking note on it constantly happening. Destruction taking all BOs in RvR throughout most of every day is NOT BIAS. ITs plain fact my friend, and fanbois like you refuse to see the truth.

 

90% of people complaining about 1 problem means they are not happy with that 1 problem.  It does not mean they think the rest of the game is fine or there are no other show stopping problems.

Again I ask you, do you think people would flock back to warhammer if they put a population cap on the game?  Would that resolve the problems the majority of people had with the game? 

 

 

 

Given your experience with WAR, what do you think is the most pervasive problem that affects both sides' participation and enjoyment of open RvR?

Slanted phraseology aside ("flock back"), do you think that an effective, enjoyable Underdog system that makes both sides competitive might be a very significant step toward making the game more enjoyable for present players, and perhaps prompt a few past players to play again?

I agree that realm balance isn't the only problem the game has.  Then again, it's not the only problem being worked on, either.

 Tbh ...I even thought to give WAR a second chance I played game since beta and had tons of fun with it but down for me was that after one year they still didn`t fixed end game and same stupid bugs that were there from day 1 thought to resub but is there any point to go back now imbalanced servers and same old lag ? WOW pvp is a joke and I have never saw more simplified and lamer excuse for pvp and ganking than in WOW I honestly cannot understand how can one shot kill be still called a good pvp but people jsut call anything pvp game this days ......

Originally posted by Qrajber

 Tbh ...I even thought to give WAR a second chance I played game since beta and had tons of fun with it but down for me was that after one year they still didn`t fixed end game and same stupid bugs that were there from day 1 thought to resub but is there any point to go back now imbalanced servers and same old lag ? WOW pvp is a joke and I have never saw more simplified and lamer excuse for pvp and ganking than in WOW I honestly cannot understand how can one shot kill be still called a good pvp but people jsut call anything pvp game this days ......

There is population imbalances but good fights (tm) are still possible in scenarios and sometimes in orvr as well - this is the only balanced pvp game there is.

Good times. :)

Originally posted by Zodan

Originally posted by Qrajber

 Tbh ...I even thought to give WAR a second chance I played game since beta and had tons of fun with it but down for me was that after one year they still didn`t fixed end game and same stupid bugs that were there from day 1 thought to resub but is there any point to go back now imbalanced servers and same old lag ? WOW pvp is a joke and I have never saw more simplified and lamer excuse for pvp and ganking than in WOW I honestly cannot understand how can one shot kill be still called a good pvp but people jsut call anything pvp game this days ......

There is population imbalances but good fights (tm) are still possible in scenarios and sometimes in orvr as well - this is the only balanced pvp game there is.

Good times. :)

I agree. I had some very fun times in WAR PvP but what finally got me to quit is that the promised war, the one you see in the intro for example, is never there. It is just an endless, threadmill of meaningless fights, where you do your best to avoid the other side, for gear.

Too bad because they could have done so much more with the end game than what currently is.

Originally posted by Zodan

Originally posted by Qrajber

 Tbh ...I even thought to give WAR a second chance I played game since beta and had tons of fun with it but down for me was that after one year they still didn`t fixed end game and same stupid bugs that were there from day 1 thought to resub but is there any point to go back now imbalanced servers and same old lag ? WOW pvp is a joke and I have never saw more simplified and lamer excuse for pvp and ganking than in WOW I honestly cannot understand how can one shot kill be still called a good pvp but people jsut call anything pvp game this days ......

There is population imbalances but good fights (tm) are still possible in scenarios and sometimes in orvr as well - this is the only balanced pvp game there is.

Good times. :)

Wouldn't GW qualify for that title much sooner? From what I remember what that game was like anyway ^^