Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by Kyleran

Its more of a MMOG than a MMORPG, but the line is fuzzy of course.

 

Lets be honest here though... How many MMO's on this sight should have the RPG part in the title? 10?

Oh Im Leveling! It must be a Rpg!

Oh I got LootZ It Most be a RPG!

The Quest dident put a dot to Where Im supposed to go?? Wtf is Wrong with this game?? HElpz Game is Bugged I cant find what to kill!!!!!!!!!!!! (Local Smacks back) What do you mean Read the Quest??? WoW Puts a Dot for me and a list of what to kill! War gives me a Colored Blob! Wtf is Wrong with this Stupid game??? /RageQuitAllOverYourFourmFace

hehe... little rage there myself...

So yes. By MMORPG.Com's sandards its a MMORPG.

I agree with you. These mmos which get classed as rpgs arent really roleplaying games at all. They are just simplistic killing games with stories attached to the npcs which you can either read or ignore. The player doesnt actually get to make any roleplaying decisions in the game at all other than "I will do the quest" or "I will not do the quest".

This is why we see lots of people typing out their own pretend stories in the chat channels in a desperate yet failed attempt to turn the game into the roleplaying game that they would really prefer to be playing. They actually have to ignore the game which is on offer to get any sense of roleplaying out of it.

So really by MMO standards any game which has a chat channel in it is a roleplaying game. So.....ermm.....Counterstrike is a roleplaying game. MSN Messenger is also a roleplaying game.

ah or as some like to call it "multi-player notepad" my favorite, lol.

Originally posted by mThree3

This debate is going too far. Accept it that it is a third-person shooter with no game rooms and a lot of people. That being said here are my thoughts.

 

Yes it is an MMORPG in the fact that a lot of people should be playing it. You level up. There is crafting. There are A LOT OF PEOPLE on one server.

The 'ifs' on the Non-MMO part. Combat is restricted to 12vs12 (as of right now). We can compare that to battlegrounds.

Lack of explorable world.

 

Oh, wait... those are  the only opinion I am hearing. Is the limit to 12vs12, and the lack of an explorable world. But to be honest is there really anymore 'exploreable' worlds in new-gen MMOs? Guildwars? Very little. WoW... okay some. WAR Very little. To be honest I do believe Global Agenda can just be considered Counter-Strike on crack. In the view that is is a F(T)PS. In the views off MMOs. I see it similar to Planet side. Planetside near its end turned into maybe 30v30 if you are lucky and no one explored because you could dropship to wherever you wanted to go.

My stand. It is close to an MMO but it is not 100% there. It is still overall a very interesting game and I want to beta test it :(

I'm pretty sure alot of people have hammered this point home but, Guild wars has ALOT of explorable areas, WoW has ALOT of explorable areas and WAR..... ALOT I know because I have played those games and I am an explorer at heart. You can easily say that GA doesn't have explorable areas but don't go claiming that games you don't know much about or just did a run through don't have explorable areas because you'd be dead dead deeeaaaadddd wrong.

On a different note I believe GA is trying to be the ground version of eve online but without the super massiveness that eve has going for it. It's an MMO of sorts just like Guild Wars is what people refer to as MMOlite.

oo MMOlite, I like that term.

Originally posted by spLagger

ah or as some like to call it "multi-player notepad" my favorite, lol.

Multiplayer Notepad! You play that too! Thats one of my favourites. I recently bought the expansion for that. Notepad Online - The Non-existent Adventure. No monthly fees and it offers the same level of "pretend" roleplaying as any mmo. Let me know when you next load it up and we can go on some awesome pretend adventures.

Originally posted by Zeroxin

Originally posted by mThree3

This debate is going too far. Accept it that it is a third-person shooter with no game rooms and a lot of people. That being said here are my thoughts.

 

Yes it is an MMORPG in the fact that a lot of people should be playing it. You level up. There is crafting. There are A LOT OF PEOPLE on one server.

The 'ifs' on the Non-MMO part. Combat is restricted to 12vs12 (as of right now). We can compare that to battlegrounds.

Lack of explorable world.

 

Oh, wait... those are  the only opinion I am hearing. Is the limit to 12vs12, and the lack of an explorable world. But to be honest is there really anymore 'exploreable' worlds in new-gen MMOs? Guildwars? Very little. WoW... okay some. WAR Very little. To be honest I do believe Global Agenda can just be considered Counter-Strike on crack. In the view that is is a F(T)PS. In the views off MMOs. I see it similar to Planet side. Planetside near its end turned into maybe 30v30 if you are lucky and no one explored because you could dropship to wherever you wanted to go.

My stand. It is close to an MMO but it is not 100% there. It is still overall a very interesting game and I want to beta test it :(

 

I'm pretty sure alot of people have hammered this point home but, Guild wars has ALOT of explorable areas, WoW has ALOT of explorable areas and WAR..... ALOT I know because I have played those games and I am an explorer at heart. You can easily say that GA doesn't have explorable areas but don't go claiming that games you don't know much about or just did a run through don't have explorable areas because you'd be dead dead deeeaaaadddd wrong.

On a different note I believe GA is trying to be the ground version of eve online but without the super massiveness that eve has going for it. It's an MMO of sorts just like Guild Wars is what people refer to as MMOlite.

....or MMOfocused as it cuts out the unneccessary travel times between the locations which actually have content and stuff to do in them and instead allows people to get on with the action.

Wandering around a big open 3d world is nice but its really not that big a deal. The "exploration" in those games is over-rated anyway. What do you think you're gonna find? More cloned regenerating mobs roaming around or maybe an npc with another text file attached to it. Its nice and pleasant.......at first......until you've already seen it and then no longer care. Then it becomes a pain having to travel for ages through a static landscape you have seen a billion times. Also some people have limited time to play games and dont want to spend 10-20 minutes (or even longer in some cases) just running from A to B.

For people who like to watch their avatars arse as they run past graphics of hills, trees, mountains and other stuff then Global Agenda might not be for them. However that doesnt mean it isnt an MMO. Its just an MMO without the travel timesink.

Different Strokes for Different Folks. There is a nice thing in WoW though, the landscape usually changes with the seasons and they open up new places and I hear with the latest patch they changed everything in the main areas. I don't like endless walking like the next guy, but sometimes it's not about what you can do in the environment it's merely the exploration and seeing nice landscapes. WoW did a good job with that honestly. That was actually part of the fun for me to just going around exploring and running away from mobs that were much higher than me, lol. Also the fishing trips I had with some friends was a great moment. Just wish they would change the whole "bigger the lvl gap the more you'll agro mobs" crap, couldn't play it after a point because no matter where I went I'd agro mobs that were REALLY far away, so it prevented me from exploring some places.

In the end I asked my friend about alternate play styles for WoW, like a non-violent play style, just working the market, trade skills and exploring, but to a point that's not possible and my friend told me "WoW just isn't for you" and it's true!

I think that's why Atlantica Online held me over for so long since you can play a good portion of the game as a non-violent person if you chose to.

Some people want a different play style and want different things from their games. That's why I'm really interested in GA, lol. I think it's fulfilling a niche I've been waiting for. Player progressive FPS Co-op online play. Not just simple match after match since wtf would i play this if it was just that, lol, I'd just play something like Combat Arms.

Some people want more from GA than it's giving and no one can help that since it's just what they're looking for. But for people like you and me it's going to be great I'm sure.

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by spLagger

ah or as some like to call it "multi-player notepad" my favorite, lol.

 

Multiplayer Notepad! You play that too! Thats one of my favourites. I recently bought the expansion for that. Notepad Online - The Non-existent Adventure. No monthly fees and it offers the same level of "pretend" roleplaying as any mmo. Let me know when you next load it up and we can go on some awesome pretend adventures.

ah snap! Didn't know the expansion was out already! hahaha, you should join the wrist_paper_cutter guild =P

There is not enough info even out on this game yet for us to speculate.    :(

Originally posted by Teala

There is not enough info even out on this game yet for us to speculate.    :(

But.....ermm.....thats why we are speculating about it......because there is limited information available. If we knew everything about the game then we wouldnt be able to speculate about what it might be like.

* scratches head *

Besides there is a fair chunk of information available detailing what Hi-Rez Studios are aiming for with their game in recent articles. Sure its nothing concrete but its enough to fan the flame of debate

Originally posted by spLagger

Different Strokes for Different Folks. There is a nice thing in WoW though, the landscape usually changes with the seasons and they open up new places and I hear with the latest patch they changed everything in the main areas. I don't like endless walking like the next guy, but sometimes it's not about what you can do in the environment it's merely the exploration and seeing nice landscapes. WoW did a good job with that honestly. That was actually part of the fun for me to just going around exploring and running away from mobs that were much higher than me, lol. Also the fishing trips I had with some friends was a great moment. Just wish they would change the whole "bigger the lvl gap the more you'll agro mobs" crap, couldn't play it after a point because no matter where I went I'd agro mobs that were REALLY far away, so it prevented me from exploring some places.

In the end I asked my friend about alternate play styles for WoW, like a non-violent play style, just working the market, trade skills and exploring, but to a point that's not possible and my friend told me "WoW just isn't for you" and it's true!

I think that's why Atlantica Online held me over for so long since you can play a good portion of the game as a non-violent person if you chose to.

Some people want a different play style and want different things from their games. That's why I'm really interested in GA, lol. I think it's fulfilling a niche I've been waiting for. Player progressive FPS Co-op online play. Not just simple match after match since wtf would i play this if it was just that, lol, I'd just play something like Combat Arms.

Some people want more from GA than it's giving and no one can help that since it's just what they're looking for. But for people like you and me it's going to be great I'm sure.

Oh indeed. I'm certainly not looking forward to Global Agenda because it will have fabulous fishing trips, fancy player houses where you can choose the colour of your curtains or wonderful sightseeing trips where you can find a hidden pond with a unique animated frog jumping around in it and a hidden fisherman who will give you a quest to find his waterproof hat.

Nope I'm looking forward to Global Agenda because it will (hopefully) be like playing an enhanced version of Battlefield 2142 (a game I used to really enjoy) where......

1. All of my individual battles actually count towards changing the outcome of a larger war

4. I get to influence and change the game world which NO other P2P mmo can offer (at least not one of decent quality anyway)

8. I can use strategy in picking and choosing which zones I attack and defend

6. Player vs Player battles are balanced, fair, action packed and fun

3 Player vs Player battles dont degenerate into brainless zergs

7. I dont have to wade through boring PvE shit to reach the fun part of the game (Aion cough cough AoC cough cough)

2. I can use cover and dodge enemies while trying to hit them (ie FPS gameplay) rather than it being a "Battle of the Calculators"

5. I dont have to play through a linear story which TELLS me what to do and removes my ability to think for myself

In short I'm looking forward to Global Agenda because it is offering something new.......something which people keep saying they want. It will give me a type of mmo to play which is currently unavailable (no I dont want to play Darkfall thanks for the suggestion lol). Yet so many people just moan and complain because it doesnt offer exactly what all the other games have been offering for years (even though people keep posting about how bored they are with quests, grinding, dumb stories etc)......and therefore that must of course mean it isnt a "real mmo" (ie the same as the rest) and is only worthy of contempt from elitist mmo snobs. Hmph! I wont be playing THAT game! Thats not how an mmo should be made. Instances?! Hmph!

If I want to watch my avatar walk around a big open fantasy world then there are plenty of games which already do that. Besides we dont even know what Global Agenda PvE element will be like yet. Who knows maybe that pond with the frog and the fisherman can be found in it somewhere.

Originally posted by spLagger

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by spLagger

ah or as some like to call it "multi-player notepad" my favorite, lol.

 

Multiplayer Notepad! You play that too! Thats one of my favourites. I recently bought the expansion for that. Notepad Online - The Non-existent Adventure. No monthly fees and it offers the same level of "pretend" roleplaying as any mmo. Let me know when you next load it up and we can go on some awesome pretend adventures.

 

ah snap! Didn't know the expansion was out already! hahaha, you should join the wrist_paper_cutter guild =P

I refuse to join that guild as they are an "evil aligned" guild and their roleplaying interests conflict with mine. They also dont take Notepad Online seriously enough and keep talking out of character.

Nope I'm a "proper" roleplayer who takes it all VERY seriously. I have my eyes set on a much more respectable guild........The Radiant Celestial Order of the Twin Flames of Lutharianalus. It is a requirement of the guild that we all wear long flowing frocks, constantly speak in grave solemn tones (tricky with a keyboard) and have convoluted plotlines involving being a descendant of someone very important. Yep thats the guild for me.

yea exactly, we don't know yet. I don't remember recommending darkfall though (o.0)

You know you want to join the dark side. From the great robot chicken teacher we've learned the fastest way to grind in MPNP (multi player notepad).

Something...something... something... Darkside... something... something...  Complete.

We are trying to liberate the paper err screen err something, your guild only holds down a person and keeps them restraint to their rules! Don't be a prisoner of your own ambitions! Join our liberating guild!

For the love of all things good and holy don't pay for dfo.  If you can try it first, and decide if you like it, great. Give it a shot.  I beta'd it and decided it lived up to somewhere in the neighorhood of 50% of its promises.   I hear they cleaned it up a lot, but i don't know.  Left such a bad taste in my mouth that i would be hard pressed to go back.

To answer some of the un-asked, but insiuated questions:

PVE plays just like pvp.  Mobs are generally tank and spank, but on the harder diffuculties it get TOUGH.  Not just because of resilient mobs, but becuase they get very tricky. 

Also, there is HUGE news coming out soon.  So be watching the news on it.

So it's sorta like Guild Wars? Please do not be ANYTHING like CrimeCraft.

Speaking to the general question by the original poster "Is Global Agenda an MMO?", we at Hi-Rez definitely think the answer is "Yes" and we've designed the game from the beginning to be an MMO, with most of the features people expect from the genre (character progression, persistent territory control, economy, PvE and PvP content, etc).

That said, we recognize that the game is not a traditional MMO in many ways (among them: "No Elves!"). So, at the end of the day, I think people will judge the game primarily along two axes:

1) Is the game fun?

2) Is the game worth the money you have to pay for it?

To help make it easier and less expensive for people to play the game, we recently announced a pricing model in which Global Agenda players will be able to experience the major features of the game after a one time purchase via digital download or box sale, with no monthly subscription required. An optional subscription package called Global Agenda: Conquest will be available for those players who wish to participate in the persistent Alliance vs. Alliance territory control game-play and access ongoing content updates.

If you haven't seen our announcement on that yet, I definitely encourage you to review at http://www.globalagendagame.com/pricing.html.

This includes a breakdown of which features you receive in the "Single Purchase" version of the game and which require a subscription.

Of course, it's up to people like you to judge the game over time to decide whether it's fun and a fair value -- but we really think that you'll get as much bang for your money from Global Agenda as nearly any other game out there, and the ability to play a unique game that combines the Shooter and MMO genres in a fresh way.

Think people question it's MMOness because most have not played a FPS/RPG/Action type MMO before and not many have been made in the last 6-7 years.

 I feel that this game, as described, does a better job of allowing players to effect the persistent world in a fair manner far more than just about any MMO out there.  Consider the incredibly small effect one person on any other player  in WoW,  EQ, etc. In GA, nearly everything you do matters. That's MMO for me!

Originally posted by gameryamen

 I feel that this game, as described, does a better job of allowing players to effect the persistent world in a fair manner far more than just about any MMO out there.  Consider the incredibly small effect one person on any other player  in WoW,  EQ, etc. In GA, nearly everything you do matters. That's MMO for me!

Well i wouldn't go so far as to say that everything you do matters.  The non-sub bits don't affect the world at all.  The subscription elements (GA:Conquest) however do shape the world however.  So, still not EVERYTHING as with something like Fable, but still a fair bit.

Its an MMOFPS.