Originally posted by madeux

Originally posted by SignusM

 I don't understand how so many people are looking forward to the Star Wars game. You guys realize its not even going to be a real MMO right?

 

I'm so glad that we have people willing to teach us all what "real" MMO's are.  What would we do without them?

So you say a MMORPG is a single player focused game made up of scripted instances and NPC parties, with small hubs where occasionally you can interact with 50 or so people, and occasionally go into some kind of instanced PvP zone with them? That's an MMO? Go read up on EverQuest then try to tell me what an MMO is. 

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by madeux

Originally posted by SignusM

 I don't understand how so many people are looking forward to the Star Wars game. You guys realize its not even going to be a real MMO right?

 

I'm so glad that we have people willing to teach us all what "real" MMO's are.  What would we do without them?

So you say a MMORPG is a single player focused game made up of scripted instances and NPC parties, with small hubs where occasionally you can interact with 50 or so people, and occasionally go into some kind of instanced PvP zone with them? That's an MMO? Go read up on EverQuest then try to tell me what an MMO is. 

Go read up on Coruscant before you go popping your top and spraying your vinegar all over the floor.

Originally posted by madeux

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by madeux

Originally posted by SignusM

 I don't understand how so many people are looking forward to the Star Wars game. You guys realize its not even going to be a real MMO right?

 

I'm so glad that we have people willing to teach us all what "real" MMO's are.  What would we do without them?

So you say a MMORPG is a single player focused game made up of scripted instances and NPC parties, with small hubs where occasionally you can interact with 50 or so people, and occasionally go into some kind of instanced PvP zone with them? That's an MMO? Go read up on EverQuest then try to tell me what an MMO is. 

 

Go read up on Coruscant before you go popping your top and spraying your vinegar all over the floor.

One public zone in a game made up of hubs of instances and scripted single player quests does not an MMO make. 

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by madeux

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by madeux

Originally posted by SignusM

 I don't understand how so many people are looking forward to the Star Wars game. You guys realize its not even going to be a real MMO right?

 

I'm so glad that we have people willing to teach us all what "real" MMO's are.  What would we do without them?

So you say a MMORPG is a single player focused game made up of scripted instances and NPC parties, with small hubs where occasionally you can interact with 50 or so people, and occasionally go into some kind of instanced PvP zone with them? That's an MMO? Go read up on EverQuest then try to tell me what an MMO is. 

 

Go read up on Coruscant before you go popping your top and spraying your vinegar all over the floor.

One public zone in a game made up of hubs of instances and scripted single player quests does not an MMO make. 

Your approval does not an MMO make.  Thank God.

Originally posted by SignusM

One listed public zone in a game made up of hubs of instances and (to early to assume) scripted co-op player quests does not an MMO make. 

Fail less next time. Crawl back to the cesspool cough*Darkfall*cough

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by SignusM

One listed public zone in a game made up of hubs of instances and (to early to assume) scripted co-op player quests does not an MMO make. 

 

Fail less next time. Crawl back to the cesspool cough*Darkfall*cough

How mature of you. It is not, by any means, too early to tell. The devs themselves said 95% of the game was going to be soloable. Oh, so you can bring a coupe friends into your instance... neat. You know what that's called?  Diablo. I don't think anyone ever called Diablo an MMORPG. 

Bioware has never, ever, in their entire development history, made a game that WASN'T linear. Do you honestly expect this to be any different, when they're emphasizing instances and scripted voice over events?

Originally posted by SignusM

 I don't understand how so many people are looking forward to the Star Wars game. You guys realize its not even going to be a real MMO right?

You do realise every swtor fanboy isn't going to care and will argue the toss that mmo and single player are exactly the same thing  until they are blue in the face. Coincidentally the fact that this is the same model used by DDO and that hasn't had to go f2p because of it at all, really it hasn't, really.  SWTOR could really fall flat on its face because of this, but then again so could sto.

Originally posted by Karahandras

Originally posted by SignusM

 I don't understand how so many people are looking forward to the Star Wars game. You guys realize its not even going to be a real MMO right?

 

You do realise every swtor fanboy isn't going to care and will argue the toss that mmo and single player are exactly the same thing  until they are blue in the face. Coincidentally the fact that this is the same model used by DDO and that hasn't had to go f2p because of it at all, really it hasn't, really.  SWTOR could really fall flat on its face because of this, but then again so could sto.

Well the original SWG is probably one of the only games to ever survive a HORRIBLE launch. I mean, SWG was almost as bad as it gets, one of the worst ever. But Star Wars fans and brand name kept it alive. Hell, its still alive even after the NGE. Its probably one of the most mismanaged MMOs of all time, yet its still alive. This new one will be the same. If the game was FTP or something, I'd understand and be less critical, but its not. Its getting an MMO price tag for a game of Diablo. 

Originally posted by Karahandras

Originally posted by SignusM

 I don't understand how so many people are looking forward to the Star Wars game. You guys realize its not even going to be a real MMO right?

 

You do realise every swtor fanboy isn't going to care and will argue the toss that mmo and single player are exactly the same thing  until they are blue in the face. Coincidentally the fact that this is the same model used by DDO and that hasn't had to go f2p because of it at all, really it hasn't, really.  SWTOR could really fall flat on its face because of this, but then again so could sto.

How about this argument:

It IS Multiplayer and it looks extremely fun, not only does it look fun, but it's being made by a company that has a record of fun games.

I play games to have fun, what do you play them for?

Originally posted by TheHatter

Originally posted by Karahandras

Originally posted by SignusM

 I don't understand how so many people are looking forward to the Star Wars game. You guys realize its not even going to be a real MMO right?

 

You do realise every swtor fanboy isn't going to care and will argue the toss that mmo and single player are exactly the same thing  until they are blue in the face. Coincidentally the fact that this is the same model used by DDO and that hasn't had to go f2p because of it at all, really it hasn't, really.  SWTOR could really fall flat on its face because of this, but then again so could sto.

 

How about this argument:

It IS Multiplayer and it looks extremely fun, not only does it look fun, but it's being made by a company that has a record of fun games.

 

I play games to have fun, what do you play them for?

I play 50 dollar games for fun. I play MMORPGs at 50 + 15 a month + expansions, for a living persistant world I can immerse myself in. I do not spend 15 bucks a month for a single player game trying to grab the fad word and call itself an MMO.

I feel like a broken record...

We told them CO was messed up back in Closed beta. It was a mess for Open Beta. They released it too early and it sucks now.

STO is being released way too early. I am not in the beta, but anyone can tell you that they aren't giving it enough time to be beta tested. Plus, they are gutting everything they can just to release the game in Feb. I had such high hopes for STO, but after playing Champions and seeing how Cryptic handles things I just shake my head and laugh.

I will never understand how Cryptic thinks when it comes to running it's company. They do not listen. They put out poor product. Their PR people spend time on their Cryptic twitter accounts talking about playing WoW and other games instead of using those accounts to hype their games (what they should be used for).

When other startups happen along months from now and they want to use a MMO company as an example of how not to run a gaming company they will use Cryptic as the prime example. Truly pathetic.

I don't understand why people insist on comparing STO to CO, just because Cryptic designed both games.  I could care less what they did right or wrong with CO, only how they are doing with STO.  As we only have small glimpe into what they have done with STO all the rest is pure speculation on our parts.  If your expecting the end all of all games here, then thats your own hyped up conclusion that have no base in reality.  The same goes for those who claim the game is designed all wrong and will fail....thats just more speculation based on nothing but conjecture!  Me, I hoping for a game based in the Star Trek world that is fun to play!  I don't care if it takes a few liberties with the Ster Trek lore or doesn't have realism to the tee.  Just make it fun to play!!!  Oh and those of you who want a bug free game that is as complete as WoW is now, should move along now as no game released will make those expections now or never!

Originally posted by Solude

Originally posted by plaguess444

I can tell you Im not happy with the direction Cryptic is taking Star Trek Online.

Theyre going to have that shard mirrored instancing junk in this game like they have in Champions Online. Im sorry but thats just unacceptable to me. I currently play Fallen Earth, a wide open game with no instances and everyone on a single server. And this was developed by an indy company on a shoestring budget. If they can do it, why cant Cryptic make a real MMO ?

the best part of an mmo is the first m as in MASSIVE. Shard mirrored instances wasnt accepted in Age of Conan. Its a reason why Champions feels like a multiplayer game. And it wont work in STO either.

Make the game right or dont make it at all Cryptic. Nobody wants mirrored instancing except console players maybe

 

I actually quite like the single shard, multiple instance thing.  Saves the inevitable server merge, my server is dead thing.  Doesn't change how many people you see, just how many people you have access to.  FE can do it on one server because their subs are really low =P  But fighting in Canada with 100 other people is plenty full for my liking.  That there are 27 other 100 people instances going that I can jump to doesn't bug me.

That said STO is an IP MMO, meaning its not for you, its for them.  Trekkies are the goal, not MMO jumpers.  Trekkies will play this, trekkies will not jump ship to their nemisis StarWars the two don't co-exist for the trekkies.  Hell there are whole comedies based on this, where you been ;)

FYI I wish AoC, would just merge all servers into one PvE and one PvP and run the multiple instance thing but not looking like that will happen.

If Trekkies were the goal they'd have the ships interior built out so you could move around in it.

No, this is just going to be a repackaged CO.  Unfortunately.

Originally posted by SignusM

I play 50 dollar games for fun. I play MMORPGs at 50 + 15 a month + expansions, for a living persistant world I can immerse myself in. I do not spend 15 bucks a month for a single player game trying to grab the fad word and call itself an MMO.

Meh, to each their own. It won't be a single player game, they have already demonstrated very nice looking multiplayer content in several videos. I have about 5ppl I know IRL that I will be playing with and quite a few others I know from other games.

As for the money, I put more than $15/mo in my change jar.... and I use a debit card 95% of the time.

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by SignusM

One listed public zone in a game made up of hubs of instances and (to early to assume) scripted co-op player quests does not an MMO make. 

 

Fail less next time. Crawl back to the cesspool cough*Darkfall*cough

How mature of you. It is not, by any means, too early to tell. The devs themselves said 95% of the game was going to be soloable. Oh, so you can bring a coupe friends into your instance... neat. You know what that's called?  Diablo. I don't think anyone ever called Diablo an MMORPG. 

 

Bioware has never, ever, in their entire development history, made a game that WASN'T linear. Do you honestly expect this to be any different, when they're emphasizing instances and scripted voice over events?

I expect no difference and for that I'm thankful. Not everybody is like you, you're the minority, which is probably why your current MMO of choice is struggling to hold sub numbers or stand out in the MMO world. People like you support just one play style everything else is a sin and should be terminated from future MMOs. I'm sorry you don't have friends/and or are incapable of enjoying a game that allows others to enjoy it for themselves, scratch that, I'm not sorry, learn to adapt.

You say Diablo. While I realize I can't assume anything at this point due to lack of information, you should try the same, might save you from looking like a fool in the future.

Anyways I'll step out of here, not exactly my thread. Sorry to those interested in STO.

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by Karahandras

Originally posted by SignusM

 I don't understand how so many people are looking forward to the Star Wars game. You guys realize its not even going to be a real MMO right?

 

You do realise every swtor fanboy isn't going to care and will argue the toss that mmo and single player are exactly the same thing  until they are blue in the face. Coincidentally the fact that this is the same model used by DDO and that hasn't had to go f2p because of it at all, really it hasn't, really.  SWTOR could really fall flat on its face because of this, but then again so could sto.

Well the original SWG is probably one of the only games to ever survive a HORRIBLE launch. I mean, SWG was almost as bad as it gets, one of the worst ever. But Star Wars fans and brand name kept it alive. Hell, its still alive even after the NGE. Its probably one of the most mismanaged MMOs of all time, yet its still alive. This new one will be the same. If the game was FTP or something, I'd understand and be less critical, but its not. Its getting an MMO price tag for a game of Diablo. 

Not only is it not likely to be f2p if reports are correct it'll go down the same route as others(including sto unfortunately) and have some form of cash shop along with its monthly sub

I really have my fingers crossed sto isn't go for the same type of game model.  So far i know there are station hubs and you can meet people in 'warp' but beyond that i'm not certain. It certainly looks like they've created a bigger game world than swtor, but since cryptic became part of atari, I won't be fully put out of my suspicions until there are some vids available showing how open the sto world is or is not

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by TheHatter

Originally posted by Karahandras

Originally posted by SignusM

 I don't understand how so many people are looking forward to the Star Wars game. You guys realize its not even going to be a real MMO right?

 

You do realise every swtor fanboy isn't going to care and will argue the toss that mmo and single player are exactly the same thing  until they are blue in the face. Coincidentally the fact that this is the same model used by DDO and that hasn't had to go f2p because of it at all, really it hasn't, really.  SWTOR could really fall flat on its face because of this, but then again so could sto.

 

How about this argument:

It IS Multiplayer and it looks extremely fun, not only does it look fun, but it's being made by a company that has a record of fun games.

 

I play games to have fun, what do you play them for?

I play 50 dollar games for fun. I play MMORPGs at 50 + 15 a month + expansions, for a living persistant world I can immerse myself in. I do not spend 15 bucks a month for a single player game trying to grab the fad word and call itself an MMO.

Sorry to step in but this is a great reply. I'm so fed up with the fun concept. MMOs are not supposed to be fun, they have to be something bigger than fun, they have to be just what you said.

Originally posted by TheHatter

Originally posted by Karahandras

Originally posted by SignusM

 I don't understand how so many people are looking forward to the Star Wars game. You guys realize its not even going to be a real MMO right?

 

You do realise every swtor fanboy isn't going to care and will argue the toss that mmo and single player are exactly the same thing  until they are blue in the face. Coincidentally the fact that this is the same model used by DDO and that hasn't had to go f2p because of it at all, really it hasn't, really.  SWTOR could really fall flat on its face because of this, but then again so could sto.

 

How about this argument:

It IS Multiplayer and it looks extremely fun, not only does it look fun, but it's being made by a company that has a record of fun games.

 

I play games to have fun, what do you play them for?

Fun is subjective and what 1 person considers so another does not. As a strategy fan I honestly dislike the current style of zero challenge gameplay that everyone wants to adopt.  Unfortunately there is very little choice currently available for people who don't like the games that are of this type. Since crypit was acquired by Atari I'm dubious as to whether or not we are getting another 'version of for 8yr olds'.

As to the fact that swtor is at least multiplayer the existing games along this line that are MO's rather than MMO's such as guild wars and DDO(I have tried both btw) seem to end up as glorified single player games rather than the alternative.  Part of this is down to the fact that the feel  is very different to an MMO. 

And i play computer games not only for fun, but also for a challenge and intellectual stimulation. MMO's also have to have a good sense of exploration and society(I even managed to stick with swg nge for 9 months for this reason alone)

Originally posted by Solude

Originally posted by plaguess444

I can tell you Im not happy with the direction Cryptic is taking Star Trek Online.

Theyre going to have that shard mirrored instancing junk in this game like they have in Champions Online. Im sorry but thats just unacceptable to me. I currently play Fallen Earth, a wide open game with no instances and everyone on a single server. And this was developed by an indy company on a shoestring budget. If they can do it, why cant Cryptic make a real MMO ?

the best part of an mmo is the first m as in MASSIVE. Shard mirrored instances wasnt accepted in Age of Conan. Its a reason why Champions feels like a multiplayer game. And it wont work in STO either.

Make the game right or dont make it at all Cryptic. Nobody wants mirrored instancing except console players maybe

 

I actually quite like the single shard, multiple instance thing.  Saves the inevitable server merge, my server is dead thing.  Doesn't change how many people you see, just how many people you have access to.  FE can do it on one server because their subs are really low =P  But fighting in Canada with 100 other people is plenty full for my liking.  That there are 27 other 100 people instances going that I can jump to doesn't bug me.

That said STO is an IP MMO, meaning its not for you, its for them.  Trekkies are the goal, not MMO jumpers.  Trekkies will play this, trekkies will not jump ship to their nemisis StarWars the two don't co-exist for the trekkies.  Hell there are whole comedies based on this, where you been ;)

FYI I wish AoC, would just merge all servers into one PvE and one PvP and run the multiple instance thing but not looking like that will happen.

Unfortunately they arent  making this game for Trekkies they are making it for the widest appeal (casuals) I'm a Star Trek fan and from what I have seen and read I really dont have too high of hopes for this game too much "YOU CANT DO THIS" for the sake of alienating the same target audience that will leave the game and go to the next MMO they will ruin. Point being its a casual game just with a different genre and a big name IP that will not live up to its fullest potential cause of that audience they are going for and will go by the way that most MMOs have had for the last 5 years..

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Originally posted by Chyren
I'm a STO community member and can't believe how the forums have changed in the last few weeks (basically since closed beta started)
I have to admit the way Cryptic is handling the whole release date thing isn't so well but the fact that so many people feel cheated by buying subscriptions to Champions Online only to have to wait for closed beta (It JUST started a couple weeks ago) might be rough.
That being said Star Trek Online's start hasn't been as huge as the opening announcement was (remember Spock?) but it still looks like a great game.
I just realize that they've already had a lot to live up to with the license, but they just raised that bar for players a lot more.
Already hearing people calling it "the game we play before SWKOTOR"
Ouch.
 
Chyren

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SWKOTOR? Muhahahaha , Everything is an upgrade compared to the NGE of SWG.

You are absolutely correct .   A vast majority of MMO's coming out lately are just boring as hell.

The games coming out the last few years have one or two things that make it fun to play for 4-6 mo, than this it starts to be repetition hell, and player move on to the next thing.  They are dumbed down, non-challenging, non-rewarding pieces of crap.

Rather than recognize the gypsy attitude of players is the result of the poor quality of games, they try to justify themselves by saying the player market has changed.  So now they are just developing games intentionally that just get your box purchase and try to hold you for 6 months, nothing more.

While I long burned out on WoW ... I'm hoping Blizzard's next MMO knocks it out of the park and repeats WoW's success ... so that we can get past this nonsense, and these developers will again realize players will stay for the long term if they just put the effort in.

I used to be Trekkie, but the emphasis of STO is way too much on space pew pew to be of any long term interest to me. I will try it out for the sake of Star Trek, and maybe I am surprised (for good), but as I see it, it seems like CO, something to play a while to wait for SWTOR. (Which better BE good!)

Never, ever set your expectations too high...