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Aion is in a worse state than WAR was after 6 weeks publishment. War had a 1.2 million copies shipped to stores and they had around 800K SOLD. Aion only shipped 900K to stores and it is no longer selling in the top 20 of PC games both on amazon.com and amazon.co.uk Xfire showed the game lost more than 50% of ... Xfire players (always in the past a very good indicator). even with Aion selling on the Xfire store (and so giving an undeserved 6th position). Around 250K subs at max, because the 14NA/18EU servers are far from locked these days. War still had around 300K players around Xmas. Aion won't have these anymore in 2 months time as WILL be seen on the Xfire stats. ------------ NCsoft didn't "prove" a thing, only that they printed and shipped 900K copies of the game, who mostly reside now on the dealer's shelves as every body can see. ------ It is GOOD news the Korean has stopped selling out of that top 20 of PC games. As no one in his right mind would like to have 25 other Aions in the next 5 years to launch. I hope for those wanting another game experience, ST and SW will be much better. And I think they will be with ease. |
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The quality of gamers was higher back then. Aion is a much better game now than WoW was back then. However between expectations rising tenfold and the MMO player base being saturated with absolutely pathetic human beings... well, you get the picture. Anywho... Aion was pretty much assured the niche game market(in the west) because its a Korean grinder. Nothing wrong with that, it will always have a solid fan-base of people who like to dump a lot of time into a game and get heavily rewarded for it. That's one thing Aion does right... it really rewards players for time spent. It never had a shot of beating WoW, and anyone who thinks its an overall better game than WoW is lying to themselves. I don't think it will crash and burn like WAR, its just far too polished and the setting is uniquely different. |
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We're doing a running story on the problems of Aion at www.angryguildleader.com and the worst and most glaring problems are coming within the next few days.
Mystery |
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Aion will NEVER win over WoW period, WoW will continue to grow no other MMO has ever sold as many boxed units as WoW in the mmorpg history!
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I'm about to quit because of umbalanced classes and bots. |
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ok i have 90% true response to the OP . the reason the aionsource forums are littered with FLAME and HATE is because all the players that LOVE aion are in the game playing and feel no time to waste telling every one how much they love the game, because they are playing with the people that love the game and know that they share the same feelings. im only here because im a forum whore and love to see what type of hate spawns up next, and i just got home so i havnt gotten lost in the Aion world yet cuz i havnt started the program. lol but now im gonna go get lost good bye people and i hope you all relise, Forums will allways be littered with tons of people that hate the games, the reason, people who like the games are playing them. get used to seeing flame if u havnt alrdy. pro tip: didnt bother to fix gramma cuz im gonna go play aion now. oh and to make sure people dont find me as a aion fan boi, i love wow and respect its power 100% and relise aion has many faults, but with this large community that they have built these problems will be fixed when the solution is found. not every thing comes in a day |
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Originally posted by Kyleran
Actually I remember the wow launch it had around 200k sales at the time - so yeah Aion thus far is in better shape. |
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Originally posted by Regnevanz
Actually I remember the wow launch it had around 200k sales at the time - so yeah Aion thus far is in better shape.
Wow had around 4 million WESTERN players after 6 months of NA/EU launch. That was around 400 servers launched ... and ADDED on a weekly basis. The soulless Korean copyat's populations decreased already with 50% on Xfire from launch and they won't add a single server with the presently owned 14NA/18EU ones. In fact these servers are NO longer locked or full all the time.
Stop pretending. Those Aion figures are boxes sold to shops where they sit .... for months to come. Not only are you blind but intellectual dishonest too.
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You have to love Zorndorf for thinking Xfire stats are in any way accurate. And oh look at todays ratings. Aion is the only non - WoW game to be in the top 10 list and is apparently even more popular than Countrstrike, just like Call of Duty 2 is apparently more popular than countrstrike because if Xfire says so, it must be true. Also, source where Blizzard mentioned they have sold 4 million boxes? Because they didn't had 4 million western subscribers 6 months after release. Blizzard announced they had 8 million subscribers somewhere around january 2007. I really hoped Aion would have been a low profile game so we didn't have to deal with the usual trolls that seem to make it their lifeworks to bash any popular new game that doesn't live up to their unrealistic expectations over and over again. |
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You realise of course both Age of Conan and WAR both held the #4 spot for quite some time as well, right - and these weren't even being sold on xfire? These games showed the same tendency as Aion does now with its downward curve, and look at them now - complete turds on the xfire stats. WAR bragged with having sold 1.2 million copies at the first month mark. History is repeating itself with Aion. |
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Originally posted by RendRegen
No it isn't. Ofcourse numbers drop after a while, this happens with most mmorpgs. The game doesn't have a free trial so a lot of people play it and find out they don't like it. The difference between War and Aion is that Aion is a high quality title. It's already been released in asia for over a year and it has great staying power.No reason to assume it will be any different here,especially when there is not going to be any competition anytime soon. |
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Originally posted by Gameloading
The XFire stats ARE accurate. But they're not the complete picture, since not everyone actually uses XFire. And that last comment of yours made me laugh pretty damn hard. You're actually glad Aion is bland? Wow. Alright, tastes differ, but come on...Oh well.  |
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Shannia
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"World of WarCraft is held alive solely by the mediocrity of competing products." RendRegen |
Originally posted by Regnevanz
Actually I remember the wow launch it had around 200k sales at the time - so yeah Aion thus far is in better shape. Just to put your comment in perspective. Before WoW, most gamers didn't even know what an MMORPG was. No game ever had a launch of more than 150k subscribers before WoW. When WoW sold out their 175,000 initial boxs within the first week of release, it was a shockwave that PC Gaming world had not seen before in regards to MMORPGs. Thanks to the success of WoW, games like WAR, AoC, AION, etc are able to sell many several hundred thousand more than WoW did.
Fear not fanbois, we are not trolls, let's take off your tin foil hat and learn what VAPORWARE is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware "Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product." |
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The Xfire stats give in no way an accurate representation of gaming habbits or subscribers. Do you seriously think Call of Duty 2 is played more than 3 times as much as Counterstrike, like the Xfire numbers suggest? Ofcourse not. I'm glad that Aion is bland? what? How did you spin the part about me saying I wanted Aion to be a low successful game so we didn't have to bother with the trolls that attract every big game to me saying anything about Aion being bland? |
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Originally posted by Gameloading
______________________ I was referring to your comment about "unrealistic expectations". You see, it is my opinion Aion hasn't brought anything new to the table. Thinking that it might would be unrealistic? But I guess your hostile tone instilled some hostility inside myself as well :). I'lle leave it at that. Lastly, if we stop raising our expectations and keep paying for mediocracy, things will never change. You may quote me on this one in the future :P. |
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Originally posted by BizkitNL
______________________ I was referring to your comment about "unrealistic expectations". You see, it is my opinion Aion hasn't brought anything new to the table. Thinking that it might would be unrealistic? But I guess your hostile tone instilled some hostility inside myself as well :). I'lle leave it at that. Lastly, if we stop raising our expectations and keep paying for mediocracy, things will never change. You may quote me on this one in the future :P. Ofcourse Xfire stats are accurate for Xfire users only, What I argued was that Xfire stats are not a representation of success of a game in any way, isn't it obvious? Expecting innovation of a high profile game is pretty close to an unrealistic expectation. the mmo genre has a terrible track record as far as innovation goes. The games that are most successful are all games that have done the same thing over and over again. |
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Aion is SOLD by NCsoft on Xfire. Meaning every copy sold of it through Xfire has Xfire installed on Aion. So it's 5th or 6th place on Xfire is meaningless, when you compare that place with other games NOT sold through Xfire. Like WOW, EVE, LotrO. The fact the number of Aion Xfire players was DOWN with 50% (first high weekend 14.5K players , now as you can see ... 7.3 K players shows .... Xfire players drop off like flies. http://www.xfire.com/games/aion/Aion/ The only truth about Aion is that it has ... 14NA/18EU servers and those servers are not filled on max, high or locked capacity. The rest is unsold packages sitting at dealers shelves as can be seen here: and here: So a LOT of barking but no substance.
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Originally posted by Zorndorf
You seem to be making a lot of assumptions here. First you say that the game isn't selling and then you say it is sold on Xfire and that every copy has Xfire installed and use this to somehow show that the game is not selling without being able to show any sales figures for Xfire at all for any game let alone for Aion.
Also, as an Xfire user you know quite well that Xfire is not a part of Aion and is not needed for game play so even if a customer decided to buy the game from Xfire it doesn't mean that they would use it but I grant you that this is probably unlikely.
The point though is that Xfire is a self-selecting sample and is only representative of a specific market segment and not the overall segment and to make broad sweeping generalizations based on Xfire reports is simply unreliable at best.
As to the links to Amazon this proves what? The sort link says to sort based on best selling but what other criteria is used? How much a company's marketing department has paid to be promoted actually has an impact on this and if it was simply the most units sold then WoW with the millions of units sold would be there at the top so obviously there are a number of factors used by Amazon when they create this list. A list whos main goal is to sell you something not to provide you with marketing data.
You might be right about the sales and decline of interest in Aion but you do nothing to help support your position by using information that is so contorted to fit your thesis.
Right now neither side of this discussion has much in the way of substantive information and it is all based on conjecture and what position you are attracted to. Personally, I suspect the truth as usual is somewhere in the middle. Sales are good not horrible/great, retention is good not horrible/great, the game is good not horrible/great, the future is good not horrible/great.
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Blatant advertisement of xfire yet again ... sigh. |
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Originally posted by spiritoso
You have forgot one thing , 98% of the gamers love the game, the 2 % that dont like it is flaming it all they can. and are writing in forums. The ppl that likes the game , is to ocupied playing the game. Imop Aion is the most incredeble game ever made.
PS . Aion is the second biggest mmorpg out there, atm and are doing realy "Realy" well |
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After seeing Xfire mentioned so often I thought I would take a look at some of the numbers that they do have and see what if anything can be gathered from them.
The number one listed game as I type this is WoW with: Users: 58,869 Time: 18,768,369 minutes Average: 313.5 minutes per day per player or 5.22 hours per day.
Aion comes in at number 6 with: Users: 7,258 Time: 2,466,896 Average: 340 minutes per day per player or 5.66 hours per day.
So what can one take from this? Yes there are fewer people playing Aion than WoW which is pretty much not a surprise but that the people playing Aion actually play longer than the people who are playing WoW.
The other thing we can take away from this is that people who use Xfire don't have much of a life. 5 hours a day playing an online game doesn't leave much time for anything else.
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Originally posted by rwmiller
As far as x-fire data goes....I think this conclusion is best. It made me giggle with glee. |
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Originally posted by Ztekan
That's simply because Aion is promoted through Xfire and .... SOLD through Xfire. So every Xfire Aion copy has Xfire installed. Got that? Now .... WOW, EVE and Lotro are NOT sold through Xfire , Got that ? So its relative position on Xfire "hitparade" is worthless compared to games NOT sold through Xfire. OK. Now that does NOT mean you can't trace the FALLING trend of Aion Xfire users :))) Coming from 14.5 K to 7+K. |
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Exactly, Xfire Aion users which as we have already established, do not represent the total subscribtions or playerbase which makes the entire point you were trying to make useless. It doesn't matter if the Xfire numbers are dropping because we know Xfire is not in any way an accurate representation. |
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Originally posted by Gameloading
That's simply not true ... and proven in the past as well. IN game you can trace the activity because simply 7K users 24/7 traced is a TOO big sample to be ignored. We saw that in War, we saw that in AoC. Once you had a reference point of actual subscriptions you could trace the player activity in the game. Both AoC and WAR had several "checking points" where you had official player numbers and then relate those playing numbers to the Xfire players. For example War"s 750K players after 3 weeks statement and that related to an Xfire number. You could very easely trace actual WAR players by it (and the downfall of that game). Of course it was very easy for WAR, as that game was ALSO coupled to its RvR realm (server) status). EACH time Xfire almost predicted another server "merge" months in advance. ---- The problem now is that NCSoft was the very first MMO player that collaborated with Xfire to .... SELL its game through Xfire.service. Meaning oversampling and ASSURE your game would be UP there (and before games that do not sell through Xfire). Also they refuse to give subs numbers so they do the "hide and seek out" game. Because IF they gave subs, it would relate directly to current Xfire samples. Smart asses these Koreans. BUT: there is always that stone of truth hanging around the neck of Aion .... and that's the number of servers: 14NA/18EU, which simply can't host more than 300K subs. And those servers are no longer running at full capacity, every player logging in can see this. So it makes sense to view the Xfire stats of each game seperately EVEN when it is being OFF balance with other games that don't sell through Xfire. Be glad we have tools to view these trends. If they didn't exist (like the amazon hourly updated sales), FunCom would have still let you believe they had 700K players.
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