Originally posted by zzvicezz

If its a choice then its a choice.

If its not a choice and is genetic/whatever then it is clearly a genetic/whatever abnormality with the potential to be cured.

Either way the activists lose..so you might note that they dropped the "its not a choice" and the "its a choice" routine about 3-5 years ago.

 

For the past couple years they have fallen back on the simplistic scream someone is a hatemonger routine. Its simpler and easier for the idiots with signs.

 

 

You are also my hero. In a way. I was sort of sarcastic when I raised the point regarding this, where I claimed that because nobody wants to be a homosexual and nobody would choose it, then it must be a genetic disorder or disease that should be cured for the betterment of those so-afflicted, but that doesn't seem right, I was sort of insulting those people as I'm quite positive there are many people that are quite happy being gay and would gladly choose it.

My argument is, just do your biz in secrecy and privacy. I hate to rehash the old anarchist argument, but, if you want to fiddle about with the same sex, your dog, or your mother, just do it in the privacy of your own home and don't tell us about it... it'd be a lot better for everybody.

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by zzvicezz

If its a choice then its a choice.

If its not a choice and is genetic/whatever then it is clearly a genetic/whatever abnormality with the potential to be cured.

Either way the activists lose..so you might note that they dropped the "its not a choice" and the "its a choice" routine about 3-5 years ago.

 

For the past couple years they have fallen back on the simplistic scream someone is a hatemonger routine. Its simpler and easier for the idiots with signs.

 

 

You are also my hero. In a way. I was sort of sarcastic when I raised the point regarding this, where I claimed that because nobody wants to be a homosexual and nobody would choose it, then it must be a genetic disorder or disease that should be cured for the betterment of those so-afflicted, but that doesn't seem right, I was sort of insulting those people as I'm quite positive there are many people that are quite happy being gay and would gladly choose it.

My argument is, just do your biz in secrecy and privacy. I hate to rehash the old anarchist argument, but, if you want to fiddle about with the same sex, your dog, or your mother, just do it in the privacy of your own home and don't tell us about it... it'd be a lot better for everybody.

I see you're still trying to make a point without anything backing up your statement. If homosexuality can be changed, nobody has figured out how to do it. Organizations that have been claiming to be able to cure homosexuality have awful trackrecords and such organizations are kicked out of pretty much any semi serious psychological association.
 

You don't really have an argument. An argument is something that has logic or evidence to back it up. You have neither, you expect people to be secrecy (which is definitely not better for everybody) for no good reason.

I'm actually quite baffled at your response. You actually think homosexuality equals sex with dogs and your mother, and anybody who does it see it that way is an anarchist? Thats just nonsense.

A relationship that's between two members of the same sex isn't just about sexual relationship. It's an experience of love and I think it deserves respect because of that. I find your suggestion that these people are not allowed to express their love in public to be very close minded. I'd love to know why you think that it's better for everybody if it's kept in secret.

Also Narug, you're going to have to rephrase your post if you want me to respond to it. I went over it 3 times and I still have no idea what you're trying to say.

I have many gay friends and this is sure to displease them.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by zzvicezz

I see you're still trying to make a point without anything backing up your statement. If homosexuality can be changed, nobody has figured out how to do it. Organizations that have been claiming to be able to cure homosexuality have awful trackrecords and such organizations are kicked out of pretty much any semi serious psychological association.
 

You don't really have an argument. An argument is something that has logic or evidence to back it up. You have neither, you expect people to be secrecy (which is definitely not better for everybody) for no good reason.

I'm actually quite baffled at your response. You actually think homosexuality equals sex with dogs and your mother, and anybody who does it see it that way is an anarchist? Thats just nonsense.

A relationship that's between two members of the same sex isn't just about sexual relationship. It's an experience of love and I think it deserves respect because of that. I find your suggestion that these people are not allowed to express their love in public to be very close minded. I'd love to know why you think that it's better for everybody if it's kept in secret.

Also Narug, you're going to have to rephrase your post if you want me to respond to it. I went over it 3 times and I still have no idea what you're trying to say.

Well I don't know, they keep researching how to cure it, they shouldn't give up if it's really a disease. The thing is, I don't think it's a disease and think the individual themselves just needs the motivation to choose against homosexuality.

I don't know what logic and evidence mean in your world and I don't quite understand bt I can still try I suppose.... homosexuality equals sex with dogs and your mother as they go against the default vision and goal of a successful society which is promoting the nuclear family. I don't know if anybody is going to try to argue that the nuclear family isn't the most prominent type of family, as well as the most successful type of family to raise children and function properly, but if they are, then I also make the sweeping bold-generalization that the nuclear family is the best type of family.

If people choose to not participate in the nuclear family and thus let their lineage die with their death then I would encourage them to do their gay thing in privacy so as not to detract from those who do wish to make the choice to participate in one. I realize that it is an experience of love, as, like homosexuality, love isn't a lightswitch that turns on or off but is realistically a collection of properties, feelings,and all that shared by two people. If people so choose to be in a homosexual relationship, regardless of if they are in love or not, and if it makes them happy, then that is wonderful for them, I just hope they have the respect for the rest of us to conduct their operations in privacy. A strong, unified society promotes the nuclear family above all, reveres such a family, and encourages it.

I still fail to see what the relevance is between whether it is chosen or not, at least insofar as gay marriage is an issue. If is genetic, people won themselves and have the right to contract with other people for lifetime alliance -- called marriage or whatever; if it is chosen, people still have the same right.

Sounds like a diversion from the real issue to me.

Originally posted by Fishermage

I still fail to see what the relevance is between whether it is chosen or not, at least insofar as gay marriage is an issue. If is genetic, people won themselves and have the right to contract with other people for lifetime alliance -- called marriage or whatever; if it is chosen, people still have the same right.

Sounds like a diversion from the real issue to me.

Well people have responded to me saying that nobody in their right mind would ever choose to be a homosexual as it has so many negatives and things that make it a stressful and unhappy lifestyle, so therefore it's a disease that we need to cure, eh?

Either way, it ends up being wrong and a problem...

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

I still fail to see what the relevance is between whether it is chosen or not, at least insofar as gay marriage is an issue. If is genetic, people won themselves and have the right to contract with other people for lifetime alliance -- called marriage or whatever; if it is chosen, people still have the same right.

Sounds like a diversion from the real issue to me.

 

Well people have responded to me saying that nobody in their right mind would ever choose to be a homosexual as it has so many negatives and things that make it a stressful and unhappy lifestyle, so therefore it's a disease that we need to cure, eh?

Either way, it ends up being wrong and a problem...

people have responded to a hijack with further hijack.

However even if "no one in their right mind" would choose it, that does not make it wrong. That merely means that people like you and others will be assholea to them, and thus, it would be a crazy choice to choose to invite asshole behavior upon oneself. That doesn't make homosexuality wrong -- it only makes YOU  and your behavior wrong.

However none of this has any bearing to the subject of the thread, which is marriage.

What is wrong is forbidding consenting adults the right to contract.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

I still fail to see what the relevance is between whether it is chosen or not, at least insofar as gay marriage is an issue. If is genetic, people won themselves and have the right to contract with other people for lifetime alliance -- called marriage or whatever; if it is chosen, people still have the same right.

Sounds like a diversion from the real issue to me.

 

Well people have responded to me saying that nobody in their right mind would ever choose to be a homosexual as it has so many negatives and things that make it a stressful and unhappy lifestyle, so therefore it's a disease that we need to cure, eh?

Either way, it ends up being wrong and a problem...

 

people have responded to a hijack with further hijack.

However even if "no one in their right mind" would choose it, that does not make it wrong. That merely means that people like you and others will be assholea to them, and thus, it would be a crazy choice to choose to invite asshole behavior upon oneself. That doesn't make homosexuality wrong -- it only makes YOU  and your behavior wrong.

However none of this has any bearing to the subject of the thread, which is marriage.

What is wrong is forbidding consenting adults the right to contract.

It does have bearing to the subject.... if we're able to prove homosexuality as wrong, then marriage for them is wrong as well. Of course gay marriage is wrong, that right is reserved to the nuclear family... just like homosexual adoption is wrong as well. If you're truly intent on pursuing this path then you do it in privacy while getting a domestic partnership. If gays just did their thing in secret, nobody would be talking about them and there wouldn't be a problem.

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

I still fail to see what the relevance is between whether it is chosen or not, at least insofar as gay marriage is an issue. If is genetic, people won themselves and have the right to contract with other people for lifetime alliance -- called marriage or whatever; if it is chosen, people still have the same right.

Sounds like a diversion from the real issue to me.

 

Well people have responded to me saying that nobody in their right mind would ever choose to be a homosexual as it has so many negatives and things that make it a stressful and unhappy lifestyle, so therefore it's a disease that we need to cure, eh?

Either way, it ends up being wrong and a problem...

 

people have responded to a hijack with further hijack.

However even if "no one in their right mind" would choose it, that does not make it wrong. That merely means that people like you and others will be assholea to them, and thus, it would be a crazy choice to choose to invite asshole behavior upon oneself. That doesn't make homosexuality wrong -- it only makes YOU  and your behavior wrong.

However none of this has any bearing to the subject of the thread, which is marriage.

What is wrong is forbidding consenting adults the right to contract.

It does have bearing to the subject.... if we're able to prove homosexuality as wrong, then marriage for them is wrong as well. Of course gay marriage is wrong, that right is reserved to the nuclear family... just like homosexual adoption is wrong as well. If you're truly intent on pursuing this path then you do it in privacy while getting a domestic partnership. If gays just did their thing in secret, nobody would be talking about them and there wouldn't be a problem.

Bull. Even if it is "wrong," you have to perform some nasty equivocation between different meanings of the word "wrong" to make marriage between them also wrong.

Anger is wrong, but marriage between angry people is legal.

Alcoholism is wrong, but marriage between alcoholics is not wrong or illegal.

Sorry your arguments are crap. Where did you learn logic?

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

I still fail to see what the relevance is between whether it is chosen or not, at least insofar as gay marriage is an issue. If is genetic, people won themselves and have the right to contract with other people for lifetime alliance -- called marriage or whatever; if it is chosen, people still have the same right.

Sounds like a diversion from the real issue to me.

 

Well people have responded to me saying that nobody in their right mind would ever choose to be a homosexual as it has so many negatives and things that make it a stressful and unhappy lifestyle, so therefore it's a disease that we need to cure, eh?

Either way, it ends up being wrong and a problem...

 

people have responded to a hijack with further hijack.

However even if "no one in their right mind" would choose it, that does not make it wrong. That merely means that people like you and others will be assholea to them, and thus, it would be a crazy choice to choose to invite asshole behavior upon oneself. That doesn't make homosexuality wrong -- it only makes YOU  and your behavior wrong.

However none of this has any bearing to the subject of the thread, which is marriage.

What is wrong is forbidding consenting adults the right to contract.

It does have bearing to the subject.... if we're able to prove homosexuality as wrong, then marriage for them is wrong as well. Of course gay marriage is wrong, that right is reserved to the nuclear family... just like homosexual adoption is wrong as well. If you're truly intent on pursuing this path then you do it in privacy while getting a domestic partnership. If gays just did their thing in secret, nobody would be talking about them and there wouldn't be a problem.

 

Bull. Even if it is "wrong," you have to perform some nasty equivocation between different meanings of the word "wrong" to make marriage between them also wrong.

Anger is wrong, but marriage between angry people is legal.

Alcoholism is wrong, but marriage between alcoholics is not wrong or illegal.

Sorry your arguments are crap. Where did you learn logic?

This argument is just going in circles.............

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

I still fail to see what the relevance is between whether it is chosen or not, at least insofar as gay marriage is an issue. If is genetic, people won themselves and have the right to contract with other people for lifetime alliance -- called marriage or whatever; if it is chosen, people still have the same right.

Sounds like a diversion from the real issue to me.

 

Well people have responded to me saying that nobody in their right mind would ever choose to be a homosexual as it has so many negatives and things that make it a stressful and unhappy lifestyle, so therefore it's a disease that we need to cure, eh?

Either way, it ends up being wrong and a problem...

 

people have responded to a hijack with further hijack.

However even if "no one in their right mind" would choose it, that does not make it wrong. That merely means that people like you and others will be assholea to them, and thus, it would be a crazy choice to choose to invite asshole behavior upon oneself. That doesn't make homosexuality wrong -- it only makes YOU  and your behavior wrong.

However none of this has any bearing to the subject of the thread, which is marriage.

What is wrong is forbidding consenting adults the right to contract.

It does have bearing to the subject.... if we're able to prove homosexuality as wrong, then marriage for them is wrong as well. Of course gay marriage is wrong, that right is reserved to the nuclear family... just like homosexual adoption is wrong as well. If you're truly intent on pursuing this path then you do it in privacy while getting a domestic partnership. If gays just did their thing in secret, nobody would be talking about them and there wouldn't be a problem.

 

Bull. Even if it is "wrong," you have to perform some nasty equivocation between different meanings of the word "wrong" to make marriage between them also wrong.

Anger is wrong, but marriage between angry people is legal.

Alcoholism is wrong, but marriage between alcoholics is not wrong or illegal.

Sorry your arguments are crap. Where did you learn logic?

This argument is just going in circles.............

Which is one thing that can happen when you use bad logic. I rest my case.

This just in: A sex change is the only barrier between gays and marriage.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

I still fail to see what the relevance is between whether it is chosen or not, at least insofar as gay marriage is an issue. If is genetic, people won themselves and have the right to contract with other people for lifetime alliance -- called marriage or whatever; if it is chosen, people still have the same right.

Sounds like a diversion from the real issue to me.

 

Well people have responded to me saying that nobody in their right mind would ever choose to be a homosexual as it has so many negatives and things that make it a stressful and unhappy lifestyle, so therefore it's a disease that we need to cure, eh?

Either way, it ends up being wrong and a problem...

 

people have responded to a hijack with further hijack.

However even if "no one in their right mind" would choose it, that does not make it wrong. That merely means that people like you and others will be assholea to them, and thus, it would be a crazy choice to choose to invite asshole behavior upon oneself. That doesn't make homosexuality wrong -- it only makes YOU  and your behavior wrong.

However none of this has any bearing to the subject of the thread, which is marriage.

What is wrong is forbidding consenting adults the right to contract.

It does have bearing to the subject.... if we're able to prove homosexuality as wrong, then marriage for them is wrong as well. Of course gay marriage is wrong, that right is reserved to the nuclear family... just like homosexual adoption is wrong as well. If you're truly intent on pursuing this path then you do it in privacy while getting a domestic partnership. If gays just did their thing in secret, nobody would be talking about them and there wouldn't be a problem.

 

Bull. Even if it is "wrong," you have to perform some nasty equivocation between different meanings of the word "wrong" to make marriage between them also wrong.

Anger is wrong, but marriage between angry people is legal.

Alcoholism is wrong, but marriage between alcoholics is not wrong or illegal.

Sorry your arguments are crap. Where did you learn logic?

This argument is just going in circles.............

 

Which is one thing that can happen when you use bad logic. I rest my case.

Fine...... all of those things you listed are totally different even in themselves. Anger isn't wrong, anger is natural, it also isn't a lightswitch effect and you can't be permanantly labeled as an angry person in every circumstance and situation, there are no angry people, just angry situations. Alcoholism is wrong and is something that is generally kept very private with the individual and is something that is seen as bad and becomes cured.

Homosexuality is wrong in that it is completely unnatural, serves no beneficial purpose, and retracts from the overall focus of a society on the nuclear family. The right to marriage is reserved to the normal, heterosexual couple, and taking that even further, the heterosexual couple who are planning on procreating children. The homosexual couple deserves no right to be married as they are living completely wrong lives and they don't deserve recognition for them.

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

I still fail to see what the relevance is between whether it is chosen or not, at least insofar as gay marriage is an issue. If is genetic, people won themselves and have the right to contract with other people for lifetime alliance -- called marriage or whatever; if it is chosen, people still have the same right.

Sounds like a diversion from the real issue to me.

 

Well people have responded to me saying that nobody in their right mind would ever choose to be a homosexual as it has so many negatives and things that make it a stressful and unhappy lifestyle, so therefore it's a disease that we need to cure, eh?

Either way, it ends up being wrong and a problem...

 

people have responded to a hijack with further hijack.

However even if "no one in their right mind" would choose it, that does not make it wrong. That merely means that people like you and others will be assholea to them, and thus, it would be a crazy choice to choose to invite asshole behavior upon oneself. That doesn't make homosexuality wrong -- it only makes YOU  and your behavior wrong.

However none of this has any bearing to the subject of the thread, which is marriage.

What is wrong is forbidding consenting adults the right to contract.

It does have bearing to the subject.... if we're able to prove homosexuality as wrong, then marriage for them is wrong as well. Of course gay marriage is wrong, that right is reserved to the nuclear family... just like homosexual adoption is wrong as well. If you're truly intent on pursuing this path then you do it in privacy while getting a domestic partnership. If gays just did their thing in secret, nobody would be talking about them and there wouldn't be a problem.

 

Bull. Even if it is "wrong," you have to perform some nasty equivocation between different meanings of the word "wrong" to make marriage between them also wrong.

Anger is wrong, but marriage between angry people is legal.

Alcoholism is wrong, but marriage between alcoholics is not wrong or illegal.

Sorry your arguments are crap. Where did you learn logic?

This argument is just going in circles.............

 

Which is one thing that can happen when you use bad logic. I rest my case.

Fine...... all of those things you listed are totally different even in themselves. Anger isn't wrong, anger is natural, it also isn't a lightswitch effect and you can't be permanantly labeled as an angry person in every circumstance and situation, there are no angry people, just angry situations. Alcoholism is wrong and is something that is generally kept very private with the individual and is something that is seen as bad and becomes cured.

 

Homosexuality is wrong in that it is completely unnatural, serves no beneficial purpose, and retracts from the overall focus of a society on the nuclear family. The right to marriage is reserved to the normal, heterosexual couple, and taking that even further, the heterosexual couple who are planning on procreating children. The homosexual couple deserves no right to be married as they are living completely wrong lives and they don't deserve recognition for them.

Anger is as wrong as homosexuality is. Homosexuality is as natural as anger. It serves a VERY benefocial purpose -- it makes some people happy. There is no such thing as society -- society is only the aggregate of human actions.

Now granted, if you believe in a false, collective morality wiuth no basis in reason, as you do, one MIGHT consider "that which supposedly doesn't benefit society as being "good," but that is a false morality based upon a chimera -- this non-existent thing called 'society."

Once again you have failed to make any kind of consistent case, and are merely showing some VERY warped logic and also showing how collective morality collapses in on itself.

However I now see you are just trolling based upon what you are saying (that only heterosexual couple who are planning on having children have a right to marry -- that garbage gives you away as a fake and a troll). I suspected it with your other threads, now I am sure. take care have fun being a disruptive presence who likes to bust up what MIGHT be decent conversations. I will try not to help you hijack threads in the future now I can see through you.

I suggest we just ignore this guy -- he isn't serious about what he says. Just making nonsense up to get a rise out of people, and he has a really lame, childish sense of humor.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

I still fail to see what the relevance is between whether it is chosen or not, at least insofar as gay marriage is an issue. If is genetic, people won themselves and have the right to contract with other people for lifetime alliance -- called marriage or whatever; if it is chosen, people still have the same right.

Sounds like a diversion from the real issue to me.

 

Well people have responded to me saying that nobody in their right mind would ever choose to be a homosexual as it has so many negatives and things that make it a stressful and unhappy lifestyle, so therefore it's a disease that we need to cure, eh?

Either way, it ends up being wrong and a problem...

 

people have responded to a hijack with further hijack.

However even if "no one in their right mind" would choose it, that does not make it wrong. That merely means that people like you and others will be assholea to them, and thus, it would be a crazy choice to choose to invite asshole behavior upon oneself. That doesn't make homosexuality wrong -- it only makes YOU  and your behavior wrong.

However none of this has any bearing to the subject of the thread, which is marriage.

What is wrong is forbidding consenting adults the right to contract.

It does have bearing to the subject.... if we're able to prove homosexuality as wrong, then marriage for them is wrong as well. Of course gay marriage is wrong, that right is reserved to the nuclear family... just like homosexual adoption is wrong as well. If you're truly intent on pursuing this path then you do it in privacy while getting a domestic partnership. If gays just did their thing in secret, nobody would be talking about them and there wouldn't be a problem.

 

Bull. Even if it is "wrong," you have to perform some nasty equivocation between different meanings of the word "wrong" to make marriage between them also wrong.

Anger is wrong, but marriage between angry people is legal.

Alcoholism is wrong, but marriage between alcoholics is not wrong or illegal.

Sorry your arguments are crap. Where did you learn logic?

This argument is just going in circles.............

 

Which is one thing that can happen when you use bad logic. I rest my case.

Fine...... all of those things you listed are totally different even in themselves. Anger isn't wrong, anger is natural, it also isn't a lightswitch effect and you can't be permanantly labeled as an angry person in every circumstance and situation, there are no angry people, just angry situations. Alcoholism is wrong and is something that is generally kept very private with the individual and is something that is seen as bad and becomes cured.

 

Homosexuality is wrong in that it is completely unnatural, serves no beneficial purpose, and retracts from the overall focus of a society on the nuclear family. The right to marriage is reserved to the normal, heterosexual couple, and taking that even further, the heterosexual couple who are planning on procreating children. The homosexual couple deserves no right to be married as they are living completely wrong lives and they don't deserve recognition for them.

 

Anger is as wrong as homosexuality is. Homosexuality is as natural as anger. It serves a VERY benefocial purpose -- it makes some people happy. There is no such thing as society -- society is only the aggregate of human actions.

Now granted, if you believe in a false, collective morality wiuth no basis in reason, as you do, one MIGHT consider "that which supposedly doesn't benefit society as being "good," but that is a false morality based upon a chimera -- this non-existent thing called 'society."

Once again you have failed to make any kind of consistent case, and are merely showing some VERY warped logic and also showing how collective morality collapses in on itself.

However I now see you are just trolling based upon what you are saying (that only heterosexual couple who are planning on having children have a right to marry -- that garbage gives you away as a fake and a troll). I suspected it with your other threads, now I am sure. take care have fun being a disruptive presence who likes to bust up what MIGHT be decent conversations. I will try not to help you hijack threads in the future now I can see through you.

I suggest we just ignore this guy -- he isn't serious about what he says. Just making nonsense up to get a rise out of people, and he has a really lame, childish sense of humor.

For crying out loud man pull your head out of your ass.

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

I still fail to see what the relevance is between whether it is chosen or not, at least insofar as gay marriage is an issue. If is genetic, people won themselves and have the right to contract with other people for lifetime alliance -- called marriage or whatever; if it is chosen, people still have the same right.

Sounds like a diversion from the real issue to me.

 

Well people have responded to me saying that nobody in their right mind would ever choose to be a homosexual as it has so many negatives and things that make it a stressful and unhappy lifestyle, so therefore it's a disease that we need to cure, eh?

Either way, it ends up being wrong and a problem...

 

people have responded to a hijack with further hijack.

However even if "no one in their right mind" would choose it, that does not make it wrong. That merely means that people like you and others will be assholea to them, and thus, it would be a crazy choice to choose to invite asshole behavior upon oneself. That doesn't make homosexuality wrong -- it only makes YOU  and your behavior wrong.

However none of this has any bearing to the subject of the thread, which is marriage.

What is wrong is forbidding consenting adults the right to contract.

It does have bearing to the subject.... if we're able to prove homosexuality as wrong, then marriage for them is wrong as well. Of course gay marriage is wrong, that right is reserved to the nuclear family... just like homosexual adoption is wrong as well. If you're truly intent on pursuing this path then you do it in privacy while getting a domestic partnership. If gays just did their thing in secret, nobody would be talking about them and there wouldn't be a problem.

 

Bull. Even if it is "wrong," you have to perform some nasty equivocation between different meanings of the word "wrong" to make marriage between them also wrong.

Anger is wrong, but marriage between angry people is legal.

Alcoholism is wrong, but marriage between alcoholics is not wrong or illegal.

Sorry your arguments are crap. Where did you learn logic?

This argument is just going in circles.............

 

Which is one thing that can happen when you use bad logic. I rest my case.

Fine...... all of those things you listed are totally different even in themselves. Anger isn't wrong, anger is natural, it also isn't a lightswitch effect and you can't be permanantly labeled as an angry person in every circumstance and situation, there are no angry people, just angry situations. Alcoholism is wrong and is something that is generally kept very private with the individual and is something that is seen as bad and becomes cured.

 

Homosexuality is wrong in that it is completely unnatural, serves no beneficial purpose, and retracts from the overall focus of a society on the nuclear family. The right to marriage is reserved to the normal, heterosexual couple, and taking that even further, the heterosexual couple who are planning on procreating children. The homosexual couple deserves no right to be married as they are living completely wrong lives and they don't deserve recognition for them.

 

Anger is as wrong as homosexuality is. Homosexuality is as natural as anger. It serves a VERY benefocial purpose -- it makes some people happy. There is no such thing as society -- society is only the aggregate of human actions.

Now granted, if you believe in a false, collective morality wiuth no basis in reason, as you do, one MIGHT consider "that which supposedly doesn't benefit society as being "good," but that is a false morality based upon a chimera -- this non-existent thing called 'society."

Once again you have failed to make any kind of consistent case, and are merely showing some VERY warped logic and also showing how collective morality collapses in on itself.

However I now see you are just trolling based upon what you are saying (that only heterosexual couple who are planning on having children have a right to marry -- that garbage gives you away as a fake and a troll). I suspected it with your other threads, now I am sure. take care have fun being a disruptive presence who likes to bust up what MIGHT be decent conversations. I will try not to help you hijack threads in the future now I can see through you.

I suggest we just ignore this guy -- he isn't serious about what he says. Just making nonsense up to get a rise out of people, and he has a really lame, childish sense of humor.

 

For crying out loud man pull your head out of your ass.

I did the minute I stopped arguing with you, because that is where your false logic comes from. Good luck raising hell with other people who haven't caught you.

Is it normal to be a condescending prick? I had the impression we could discuss this civil-like. Apparently if a person disagrees with gung-ho liberal proto-anarchy sentiments it is sufficient reason for them to insult you. This thread has shown me that people who advocate gay marriage are so biggotted they can't even try to accept the other point of view.

I started out as a person who absolutely didn't care about homosexuals and just thought they were some abnormal occurrence you only hear about on TV or something. Yet now they are seemingly so present in society and are so vocal with their ridiculous ambitions it's impossible not to take a side on them. I see the people who argue for homosexuality and homosexual marriage as applying the same "universal rights of man" BS to it and charging for the finish while absolutely ignoring all other arguments and viewpoints that stand in their way. If there is somebody who opposes it, they are close minded. If somebody brings up a valid point, you insult them and claim they don't know how to argue.

Homosexuality is the plague. You hippies have been ruining decent society since the 60's, and your french revolutionary ancestors kicked off the whole craze hundreds of years before. There are still decent and moral people in the world who aren't "forum trolls" that wish to see tradition and decency preserved, and it's time those people start breaking the PC barriers those aforementioned anarchists have placed on our speech and halt the de-evolution of culture now. Homosexuals will never have the right to be married as it would be wrong, immoral, indecent, and backwards for them to do so. Why? Marriage is reserved for the heterosexual couple. The correct, moral, decent, and normal family that it is a society's duty to promote. Homosexuality is backwards in all contexts, and for them to be granted the right to marriage would show that we are condoning such behavior when it is wrong to do so. If you want to to make this choice to live an immoral life of sodomy then do so in privacy and secrecy. Threatening to destroy the traditions of normal and moral people makes it hard for us to "ignore you and allow you to live your life". Giving you marriage is us saying that a homosexual couple is equal to a heterosexual couple and they aren't. A heterosexual couple continues the race, a homosexual couple is where the race goes to die.

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Is it normal to be a condescending prick? I had the impression we could discuss this civil-like. Apparently if a person disagrees with gung-ho liberal proto-anarchy sentiments it is sufficient reason for them to insult you. This thread has shown me that people who advocate gay marriage are so biggotted they can't even try to accept the other point of view.

I started out as a person who absolutely didn't care about homosexuals and just thought they were some abnormal occurrence you only hear about on TV or something. Yet now they are seemingly so present in society and are so vocal with their ridiculous ambitions it's impossible not to take a side on them. I see the people who argue for homosexuality and homosexual marriage as applying the same "universal rights of man" BS to it and charging for the finish while absolutely ignoring all other arguments and viewpoints that stand in their way. If there is somebody who opposes it, they are close minded. If somebody brings up a valid point, you insult them and claim they don't know how to argue.

Homosexuality is the plague. You hippies have been ruining decent society since the 60's, and your french revolutionary ancestors kicked off the whole craze hundreds of years before. There are still decent and moral people in the world who aren't "forum trolls" that wish to see tradition and decency preserved, and it's time those people start breaking the PC barriers those aforementioned anarchists have placed on our speech and halt the de-evolution of culture now. Homosexuals will never have the right to be married as it would be wrong, immoral, indecent, and backwards for them to do so. Why? Marriage is reserved for the heterosexual couple. The correct, moral, decent, and normal family that it is a society's duty to promote. Homosexuality is backwards in all contexts, and for them to be granted the right to marriage would show that we are condoning such behavior when it is wrong to do so. If you want to to make this choice to live an immoral life of sodomy then do so in privacy and secrecy. Threatening to destroy the traditions of normal and moral people makes it hard for us to "ignore you and allow you to live your life". Giving you marriage is us saying that a homosexual couple is equal to a heterosexual couple and they aren't. A heterosexual couple continues the race, a homosexual couple is where the race goes to die.

LOL.

Another Karl Rove alt, I imagine. Fail. Time to make up another one -- caught you.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Is it normal to be a condescending prick? I had the impression we could discuss this civil-like. Apparently if a person disagrees with gung-ho liberal proto-anarchy sentiments it is sufficient reason for them to insult you. This thread has shown me that people who advocate gay marriage are so biggotted they can't even try to accept the other point of view.

I started out as a person who absolutely didn't care about homosexuals and just thought they were some abnormal occurrence you only hear about on TV or something. Yet now they are seemingly so present in society and are so vocal with their ridiculous ambitions it's impossible not to take a side on them. I see the people who argue for homosexuality and homosexual marriage as applying the same "universal rights of man" BS to it and charging for the finish while absolutely ignoring all other arguments and viewpoints that stand in their way. If there is somebody who opposes it, they are close minded. If somebody brings up a valid point, you insult them and claim they don't know how to argue.

Homosexuality is the plague. You hippies have been ruining decent society since the 60's, and your french revolutionary ancestors kicked off the whole craze hundreds of years before. There are still decent and moral people in the world who aren't "forum trolls" that wish to see tradition and decency preserved, and it's time those people start breaking the PC barriers those aforementioned anarchists have placed on our speech and halt the de-evolution of culture now. Homosexuals will never have the right to be married as it would be wrong, immoral, indecent, and backwards for them to do so. Why? Marriage is reserved for the heterosexual couple. The correct, moral, decent, and normal family that it is a society's duty to promote. Homosexuality is backwards in all contexts, and for them to be granted the right to marriage would show that we are condoning such behavior when it is wrong to do so. If you want to to make this choice to live an immoral life of sodomy then do so in privacy and secrecy. Threatening to destroy the traditions of normal and moral people makes it hard for us to "ignore you and allow you to live your life". Giving you marriage is us saying that a homosexual couple is equal to a heterosexual couple and they aren't. A heterosexual couple continues the race, a homosexual couple is where the race goes to die.

 

LOL.

Another Karl Rove alt, I imagine. Fail. Time to make up another one -- caught you.

I can only assume from this that you forfeit.

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Is it normal to be a condescending prick? I had the impression we could discuss this civil-like. Apparently if a person disagrees with gung-ho liberal proto-anarchy sentiments it is sufficient reason for them to insult you. This thread has shown me that people who advocate gay marriage are so biggotted they can't even try to accept the other point of view.

I started out as a person who absolutely didn't care about homosexuals and just thought they were some abnormal occurrence you only hear about on TV or something. Yet now they are seemingly so present in society and are so vocal with their ridiculous ambitions it's impossible not to take a side on them. I see the people who argue for homosexuality and homosexual marriage as applying the same "universal rights of man" BS to it and charging for the finish while absolutely ignoring all other arguments and viewpoints that stand in their way. If there is somebody who opposes it, they are close minded. If somebody brings up a valid point, you insult them and claim they don't know how to argue.

Homosexuality is the plague. You hippies have been ruining decent society since the 60's, and your french revolutionary ancestors kicked off the whole craze hundreds of years before. There are still decent and moral people in the world who aren't "forum trolls" that wish to see tradition and decency preserved, and it's time those people start breaking the PC barriers those aforementioned anarchists have placed on our speech and halt the de-evolution of culture now. Homosexuals will never have the right to be married as it would be wrong, immoral, indecent, and backwards for them to do so. Why? Marriage is reserved for the heterosexual couple. The correct, moral, decent, and normal family that it is a society's duty to promote. Homosexuality is backwards in all contexts, and for them to be granted the right to marriage would show that we are condoning such behavior when it is wrong to do so. If you want to to make this choice to live an immoral life of sodomy then do so in privacy and secrecy. Threatening to destroy the traditions of normal and moral people makes it hard for us to "ignore you and allow you to live your life". Giving you marriage is us saying that a homosexual couple is equal to a heterosexual couple and they aren't. A heterosexual couple continues the race, a homosexual couple is where the race goes to die.

 

LOL.

Another Karl Rove alt, I imagine. Fail. Time to make up another one -- caught you.

I can only assume from this that you forfeit.

nah, I trounced you and your views several posts ago -- you have presented nothing new. Now I am just laughing at you.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Is it normal to be a condescending prick? I had the impression we could discuss this civil-like. Apparently if a person disagrees with gung-ho liberal proto-anarchy sentiments it is sufficient reason for them to insult you. This thread has shown me that people who advocate gay marriage are so biggotted they can't even try to accept the other point of view.

I started out as a person who absolutely didn't care about homosexuals and just thought they were some abnormal occurrence you only hear about on TV or something. Yet now they are seemingly so present in society and are so vocal with their ridiculous ambitions it's impossible not to take a side on them. I see the people who argue for homosexuality and homosexual marriage as applying the same "universal rights of man" BS to it and charging for the finish while absolutely ignoring all other arguments and viewpoints that stand in their way. If there is somebody who opposes it, they are close minded. If somebody brings up a valid point, you insult them and claim they don't know how to argue.

Homosexuality is the plague. You hippies have been ruining decent society since the 60's, and your french revolutionary ancestors kicked off the whole craze hundreds of years before. There are still decent and moral people in the world who aren't "forum trolls" that wish to see tradition and decency preserved, and it's time those people start breaking the PC barriers those aforementioned anarchists have placed on our speech and halt the de-evolution of culture now. Homosexuals will never have the right to be married as it would be wrong, immoral, indecent, and backwards for them to do so. Why? Marriage is reserved for the heterosexual couple. The correct, moral, decent, and normal family that it is a society's duty to promote. Homosexuality is backwards in all contexts, and for them to be granted the right to marriage would show that we are condoning such behavior when it is wrong to do so. If you want to to make this choice to live an immoral life of sodomy then do so in privacy and secrecy. Threatening to destroy the traditions of normal and moral people makes it hard for us to "ignore you and allow you to live your life". Giving you marriage is us saying that a homosexual couple is equal to a heterosexual couple and they aren't. A heterosexual couple continues the race, a homosexual couple is where the race goes to die.

 

LOL.

Another Karl Rove alt, I imagine. Fail. Time to make up another one -- caught you.

I can only assume from this that you forfeit.

 

nah, I trounced you and your views several posts ago -- you have presented nothing new. Now I am just laughing at you.

You're biggotry just further proves your inability to support your stance.

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Is it normal to be a condescending prick? I had the impression we could discuss this civil-like. Apparently if a person disagrees with gung-ho liberal proto-anarchy sentiments it is sufficient reason for them to insult you. This thread has shown me that people who advocate gay marriage are so biggotted they can't even try to accept the other point of view.

I started out as a person who absolutely didn't care about homosexuals and just thought they were some abnormal occurrence you only hear about on TV or something. Yet now they are seemingly so present in society and are so vocal with their ridiculous ambitions it's impossible not to take a side on them. I see the people who argue for homosexuality and homosexual marriage as applying the same "universal rights of man" BS to it and charging for the finish while absolutely ignoring all other arguments and viewpoints that stand in their way. If there is somebody who opposes it, they are close minded. If somebody brings up a valid point, you insult them and claim they don't know how to argue.

Homosexuality is the plague. You hippies have been ruining decent society since the 60's, and your french revolutionary ancestors kicked off the whole craze hundreds of years before. There are still decent and moral people in the world who aren't "forum trolls" that wish to see tradition and decency preserved, and it's time those people start breaking the PC barriers those aforementioned anarchists have placed on our speech and halt the de-evolution of culture now. Homosexuals will never have the right to be married as it would be wrong, immoral, indecent, and backwards for them to do so. Why? Marriage is reserved for the heterosexual couple. The correct, moral, decent, and normal family that it is a society's duty to promote. Homosexuality is backwards in all contexts, and for them to be granted the right to marriage would show that we are condoning such behavior when it is wrong to do so. If you want to to make this choice to live an immoral life of sodomy then do so in privacy and secrecy. Threatening to destroy the traditions of normal and moral people makes it hard for us to "ignore you and allow you to live your life". Giving you marriage is us saying that a homosexual couple is equal to a heterosexual couple and they aren't. A heterosexual couple continues the race, a homosexual couple is where the race goes to die.

 

LOL.

Another Karl Rove alt, I imagine. Fail. Time to make up another one -- caught you.

I can only assume from this that you forfeit.

 

nah, I trounced you and your views several posts ago -- you have presented nothing new. Now I am just laughing at you.

 

You're biggotry just further proves your inability to support your stance.

yes I am bigoted (actually biased is a better word) against people creating phony characters on the internet to argue points they don't really believe in. I got tired of it with Declaredemer and he was MUCH better than you at this.

Even Karl Rove is better than you, and he sucks.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Is it normal to be a condescending prick? I had the impression we could discuss this civil-like. Apparently if a person disagrees with gung-ho liberal proto-anarchy sentiments it is sufficient reason for them to insult you. This thread has shown me that people who advocate gay marriage are so biggotted they can't even try to accept the other point of view.

I started out as a person who absolutely didn't care about homosexuals and just thought they were some abnormal occurrence you only hear about on TV or something. Yet now they are seemingly so present in society and are so vocal with their ridiculous ambitions it's impossible not to take a side on them. I see the people who argue for homosexuality and homosexual marriage as applying the same "universal rights of man" BS to it and charging for the finish while absolutely ignoring all other arguments and viewpoints that stand in their way. If there is somebody who opposes it, they are close minded. If somebody brings up a valid point, you insult them and claim they don't know how to argue.

Homosexuality is the plague. You hippies have been ruining decent society since the 60's, and your french revolutionary ancestors kicked off the whole craze hundreds of years before. There are still decent and moral people in the world who aren't "forum trolls" that wish to see tradition and decency preserved, and it's time those people start breaking the PC barriers those aforementioned anarchists have placed on our speech and halt the de-evolution of culture now. Homosexuals will never have the right to be married as it would be wrong, immoral, indecent, and backwards for them to do so. Why? Marriage is reserved for the heterosexual couple. The correct, moral, decent, and normal family that it is a society's duty to promote. Homosexuality is backwards in all contexts, and for them to be granted the right to marriage would show that we are condoning such behavior when it is wrong to do so. If you want to to make this choice to live an immoral life of sodomy then do so in privacy and secrecy. Threatening to destroy the traditions of normal and moral people makes it hard for us to "ignore you and allow you to live your life". Giving you marriage is us saying that a homosexual couple is equal to a heterosexual couple and they aren't. A heterosexual couple continues the race, a homosexual couple is where the race goes to die.

 

LOL.

Another Karl Rove alt, I imagine. Fail. Time to make up another one -- caught you.

I can only assume from this that you forfeit.

 

nah, I trounced you and your views several posts ago -- you have presented nothing new. Now I am just laughing at you.

 

You're biggotry just further proves your inability to support your stance.

 

yes I am bigoted (actually biased is a better word) against people creating phony characters on the internet to argue points they don't really believe in. I got tired of it with Declaredemer and he was MUCH better than you at this.

Even Karl Rove is better than you, and he sucks.

After cooling down from your insults to me, I'm going to have a touchy-feely response to your behavior.

Mr. Fishermage, why do you do this? I find it rather offensive when you insult me, and I don't understand why you think that I am a troll. These are views that I realistically have, and while I realize that they aren't the most popular views, or even the most liked views, they are my views, and while I'm not going to insult you for your views, I'd expect you to not do the same hm? 

I see marriage as a sacred tradition, that has existed for many years, that is the divine connection between a man and a woman, and their first step to producing children. It is an honorable ceremony, of virtue and tradition, that binds them together and is something truly unique.

If homosexual people are allowed to marry, allowed to breach this tradition and destroy it, marriage is no longer meaningful and no longer has that divine connection. The sanctity of the nuclear family falls apart, and we move one step closer to that anarchy so many people here embrace so much.

Are you willing to work towards the happiness of a minority for the overall unhappiness of the majority? 

Leave us with our tradition, shut up (gays), and be happy with yours.

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Is it normal to be a condescending prick? I had the impression we could discuss this civil-like. Apparently if a person disagrees with gung-ho liberal proto-anarchy sentiments it is sufficient reason for them to insult you. This thread has shown me that people who advocate gay marriage are so biggotted they can't even try to accept the other point of view.

I started out as a person who absolutely didn't care about homosexuals and just thought they were some abnormal occurrence you only hear about on TV or something. Yet now they are seemingly so present in society and are so vocal with their ridiculous ambitions it's impossible not to take a side on them. I see the people who argue for homosexuality and homosexual marriage as applying the same "universal rights of man" BS to it and charging for the finish while absolutely ignoring all other arguments and viewpoints that stand in their way. If there is somebody who opposes it, they are close minded. If somebody brings up a valid point, you insult them and claim they don't know how to argue.

Homosexuality is the plague. You hippies have been ruining decent society since the 60's, and your french revolutionary ancestors kicked off the whole craze hundreds of years before. There are still decent and moral people in the world who aren't "forum trolls" that wish to see tradition and decency preserved, and it's time those people start breaking the PC barriers those aforementioned anarchists have placed on our speech and halt the de-evolution of culture now. Homosexuals will never have the right to be married as it would be wrong, immoral, indecent, and backwards for them to do so. Why? Marriage is reserved for the heterosexual couple. The correct, moral, decent, and normal family that it is a society's duty to promote. Homosexuality is backwards in all contexts, and for them to be granted the right to marriage would show that we are condoning such behavior when it is wrong to do so. If you want to to make this choice to live an immoral life of sodomy then do so in privacy and secrecy. Threatening to destroy the traditions of normal and moral people makes it hard for us to "ignore you and allow you to live your life". Giving you marriage is us saying that a homosexual couple is equal to a heterosexual couple and they aren't. A heterosexual couple continues the race, a homosexual couple is where the race goes to die.

 

LOL.

Another Karl Rove alt, I imagine. Fail. Time to make up another one -- caught you.

I can only assume from this that you forfeit.

 

nah, I trounced you and your views several posts ago -- you have presented nothing new. Now I am just laughing at you.

 

You're biggotry just further proves your inability to support your stance.

 

yes I am bigoted (actually biased is a better word) against people creating phony characters on the internet to argue points they don't really believe in. I got tired of it with Declaredemer and he was MUCH better than you at this.

Even Karl Rove is better than you, and he sucks.

After cooling down from your insults to me, I'm going to have a touchy-feely response to your behavior.

Mr. Fishermage, why do you do this? I find it rather offensive when you insult me, and I don't understand why you think that I am a troll. These are views that I realistically have, and while I realize that they aren't the most popular views, or even the most liked views, they are my views, and while I'm not going to insult you for your views, I'd expect you to not do the same hm? 

I see marriage as a sacred tradition, that has existed for many years, that is the divine connection between a man and a woman, and their first step to producing children. It is an honorable ceremony, of virtue and tradition, that binds them together and is something truly unique.

If homosexual people are allowed to marry, allowed to breach this tradition and destroy it, marriage is no longer meaningful and no longer has that divine connection. The sanctity of the nuclear family falls apart, and we move one step closer to that anarchy so many people here embrace so much.

Are you willing to work towards the happiness of a minority for the overall unhappiness of the majority? 

Leave us with our tradition, shut up (gays), and be happy with yours.

Oy vey. As I said, Karl Rove was better, and he sucked.

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by zchmrkenhoff

Is it normal to be a condescending prick? I had the impression we could discuss this civil-like. Apparently if a person disagrees with gung-ho liberal proto-anarchy sentiments it is sufficient reason for them to insult you. This thread has shown me that people who advocate gay marriage are so biggotted they can't even try to accept the other point of view.

I started out as a person who absolutely didn't care about homosexuals and just thought they were some abnormal occurrence you only hear about on TV or something. Yet now they are seemingly so present in society and are so vocal with their ridiculous ambitions it's impossible not to take a side on them. I see the people who argue for homosexuality and homosexual marriage as applying the same "universal rights of man" BS to it and charging for the finish while absolutely ignoring all other arguments and viewpoints that stand in their way. If there is somebody who opposes it, they are close minded. If somebody brings up a valid point, you insult them and claim they don't know how to argue.

Homosexuality is the plague. You hippies have been ruining decent society since the 60's, and your french revolutionary ancestors kicked off the whole craze hundreds of years before. There are still decent and moral people in the world who aren't "forum trolls" that wish to see tradition and decency preserved, and it's time those people start breaking the PC barriers those aforementioned anarchists have placed on our speech and halt the de-evolution of culture now. Homosexuals will never have the right to be married as it would be wrong, immoral, indecent, and backwards for them to do so. Why? Marriage is reserved for the heterosexual couple. The correct, moral, decent, and normal family that it is a society's duty to promote. Homosexuality is backwards in all contexts, and for them to be granted the right to marriage would show that we are condoning such behavior when it is wrong to do so. If you want to to make this choice to live an immoral life of sodomy then do so in privacy and secrecy. Threatening to destroy the traditions of normal and moral people makes it hard for us to "ignore you and allow you to live your life". Giving you marriage is us saying that a homosexual couple is equal to a heterosexual couple and they aren't. A heterosexual couple continues the race, a homosexual couple is where the race goes to die.

 

LOL.

Another Karl Rove alt, I imagine. Fail. Time to make up another one -- caught you.

I can only assume from this that you forfeit.

 

nah, I trounced you and your views several posts ago -- you have presented nothing new. Now I am just laughing at you.

 

You're biggotry just further proves your inability to support your stance.

 

yes I am bigoted (actually biased is a better word) against people creating phony characters on the internet to argue points they don't really believe in. I got tired of it with Declaredemer and he was MUCH better than you at this.

Even Karl Rove is better than you, and he sucks.

After cooling down from your insults to me, I'm going to have a touchy-feely response to your behavior.

Mr. Fishermage, why do you do this? I find it rather offensive when you insult me, and I don't understand why you think that I am a troll. These are views that I realistically have, and while I realize that they aren't the most popular views, or even the most liked views, they are my views, and while I'm not going to insult you for your views, I'd expect you to not do the same hm? 

I see marriage as a sacred tradition, that has existed for many years, that is the divine connection between a man and a woman, and their first step to producing children. It is an honorable ceremony, of virtue and tradition, that binds them together and is something truly unique.

If homosexual people are allowed to marry, allowed to breach this tradition and destroy it, marriage is no longer meaningful and no longer has that divine connection. The sanctity of the nuclear family falls apart, and we move one step closer to that anarchy so many people here embrace so much.

Are you willing to work towards the happiness of a minority for the overall unhappiness of the majority? 

Leave us with our tradition, shut up (gays), and be happy with yours.

What I find odd is, as a self-proclaimed Atheist (post #51 on this thread), why would you even comment on homosexual marriage ruining the "divine connection" of marriage?  Or, why marriage would be talked about as being a "sacred tradition" when you claim you are an Atheist.  An Atheist would not even need to think anything has a "divine connection" considering to them, there is no "God".  Therefore, if there is no "God" to the Atheist, then how can something have a "divine connection"?  Hmm... seems you just stepped yourself into a bit of a quandary here with your own words.  If you lied previously, which seems to be the case with this post, then it calls into question what other lies you have perpetrated during these discussions.

And, to those who nay-sayed me on post #103 when I called him out on his religious fanatacism (that would be you Dekron and Zindaihas) that this post is proof that his actions did speak louder than his words... well... actually his words just finally revealed his own previous lie.