Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Scot

I did not expect an impartial article about this from MMO journalists, point me to the article on this site when they have ever had a go at any decision Blizzard has made?

Putting ‘boy who cried wolf’ in the title sums it up, it was never going to be a balanced article about the pros and cons.

First that ridiculous score for Aion, now this, might as well get back to the player forums where even the fanboys are less rabid in their adoration.

 

Exactly. Blizzard is already offering pets OUTSIDE of the game at a cost since ... 5 years now. Even with the introduction of the game you had pets out of the game.

For YEARS pets and non significant game vanity stuff is being offered through the Card game (buying them for ovcer 300 Euros on the ebay channels or through Blizzcon (125 Dollars).

The only thing that changed was the click button to pay: instead of an ebay button, you  now click on the Blizzard button.

--- > The fact this site AGAIN decided to go with that title shows their attitude. Instead of writing about the revolutionary cross server dungeons and new LFG tools, they shit on Blizzard - like always.

----> However we had a RL meeting with our guild yesterday.

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And just to inform you for all WOW haters: the new direction  Blizzard is taking WITH the new game mechanics (cross servers, dual specs, very easy PUG pick ups, CHOICES in content diffculty (per boss even),  is a BOOST to having fun at your level (wherever you are in the game).

And Blizzard ensures it 24/7 in groups as of patch 3.3.

An unseen achievement for a game that will celibrate its 5 th anniversary (but Blizzard constantly fine tunes the game of course).

What most of you don't understand.... BLIZZARD now shapes this industry .... and the others try to follow and fail.

The new keyword is 24/7 PVE/PVP grouped gaming fun at YOUR pace in YOUR time at YOUR level

Patch 3.3 can't come quick enough. It'll blow the "old concepts" of mmorpg's away.

And CATACLYSM will be the atomic bomb on top of these new mechanics.

Now THIS is inside news dear editors of mmorpg.com, not some vanity pet on a click button.

I pity the competition.

 

I haven't laughed that hard in a long time.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by Zorndorf .Instead of writing about the revolutionary cross server dungeons and new LFG tools, they shit on Blizzard - like always.

 

 

Only that can be written about it is that its not revolutionary but a way to hide empty servers.

LOL. How about being a frustrated WOW hater these days ....:))))
 

read about it here:

http://www.wow.com/2009/11/07/patch-3-3-luck-of-the-draw-buffs-you-for-pugging/

The cross server dungeons (together with the dual specs) and the ALREADY clustered PVP simply allows a 24/7 GROUP play in an MMORPG on YOUR level and YOUR gear status.

BTW yesterday EU English had ... 42 servers on FULL of which 8 were locked. Try entering realms like Al Akir at prime time in EU.

.... and patch 3.3 isn't even out yet.

As always the competition struggles MILES behind. Probably being based on "concepts" than rather have GAMING elements to promote play 24/7.

Like I said : Blizzard now shapes this industry and the rest comes (far) behind in adapting its techniques.

 

 

Rabid fanboy at its finest.

The 5% buff is NOT a good thing, in my opinion. As if the dungeons weren't too easy as it is.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by Zorndorf .Instead of writing about the revolutionary cross server dungeons and new LFG tools, they shit on Blizzard - like always.

 

 

Only that can be written about it is that its not revolutionary but a way to hide empty servers.

LOL. How about being a frustrated WOW hater these days ....:))))
  Dont hat

read about it here:

http://www.wow.com/2009/11/07/patch-3-3-luck-of-the-draw-buffs-you-for-pugging/

The cross server dungeons (together with the dual specs) and the ALREADY clustered PVP simply allows a 24/7 GROUP play in an MMORPG on YOUR level and YOUR gear status.

BTW yesterday EU English had ... 42 servers on FULL of which 8 were locked. Try entering realms like Al Akir at prime time in EU.

.... and patch 3.3 isn't even out yet.

As always the competition struggles MILES behind. Probably being based on "concepts" than rather have GAMING elements to promote play 24/7.

Like I said : Blizzard now shapes this industry and the rest comes (far) behind in adapting its techniques.

 

 

Go ahead and dream on, if the servers were booming with activity that lfg tool is useless, but yet you hink its a welcome addition, makes one wonder not?

Btw stolen from GW as there you can switch to american korean chineese and european servers for 4 years already,  finding groups  24/7 as you can change to servers with different timezones so nothing revolutionary about it.

Blizzard shapes nothing, they just copy paste.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by darkboarder8

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by Zorndorf .Instead of writing about the revolutionary cross server dungeons and new LFG tools, they shit on Blizzard - like always.

 

 

Only that can be written about it is that its not revolutionary but a way to hide empty servers.

LOL. How about being a frustrated WOW hater these days ....:))))
 

read about it here:

http://www.wow.com/2009/11/07/patch-3-3-luck-of-the-draw-buffs-you-for-pugging/

The cross server dungeons (together with the dual specs) and the ALREADY clustered PVP simply allows a 24/7 GROUP play in an MMORPG on YOUR level and YOUR gear status.

BTW yesterday EU English had ... 42 servers on FULL of which 8 were locked. Try entering realms like Al Akir at prime time in EU.

.... and patch 3.3 isn't even out yet.

As always the competition struggles MILES behind. Probably being based on "concepts" than rather have GAMING elements to promote play 24/7.

Like I said : Blizzard now shapes this industry and the rest comes (far) behind in adapting its techniques.

 

 

 

Rabid fanboy at its finest.

What about arguments instead of the usual insulting stuff.
 

Against the options of playing 24/7 on ANY level and/or gear on your terms perhaps ? :))) Remember the cross server realms are a supplement to your realm baesed groups AND is being complemented by a guild leveling system both in PVE AND in an organised PvP competition (guild wise) on your ... realm.

Perhaps throw out some comments instead of one word insults.

Ok, well the 5% buff is going to make dungeons that are too easy even easier, hows that?

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Perhaps play the game and study the new mechanics instead of spitting vomage on one sentence you read....

Like you do on all other  mmo's besides WoW?

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by darkboarder8

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by darkboarder8

 

Rabid fanboy at its finest.

What about arguments instead of the usual insulting stuff.
 

Against the options of playing 24/7 on ANY level and/or gear on your terms perhaps ? :))) Remember the cross server realms are a supplement to your realm baesed groups AND is being complemented by a guild leveling system both in PVE AND in an organised PvP competition (guild wise) on your ... realm.

Perhaps throw out some comments instead of one word insults.

 

Ok, well the 5% buff is going to make dungeons that are too easy even easier, hows that?

 

Perhaps play the game and study the new mechanics instead of spitting vomage on one sentence you read....

24/7: Now WHERE are those comments that Wow is a solo game again? LOL

I don't think I need to *study up* on a 5% buff, thanks though.

Also, I guarantee you I have been playing the game a lot longer than you have.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

I play them all except the Korean gold grabbers.
 

Waste of time to succomb to Asian money grabbers.

Too intelligent to go into that trap of copycat.

 

Yet you dont mind wasting alot of time posting useless crap about them.

and lol on the copycat...

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by Zorndorf

I play them all except the Korean gold grabbers.
 

Waste of time to succomb to Asian money grabbers.

Too intelligent to go into that trap of copycat.

 

 

Yet you dont mind wasting alot of time posting useless crap about them.

and lol on the copycat...

Irony, lol.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

And so it shows you are NOT playing it now, since you don't understand what it means "no more instances can be launched at this time".

The catch is that blizzard found the new catchy word for mmorpg play and you are not following: 24/7 on your gaming exprience.

It is quite the opposite of old mmo designs: where the OTHERS decided you would HAVE to play.

can do it already for 4 years in GW its not new, but then i can play every mmo 24/7 no mmo i played closed the servers after sesame street

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by darkboarder8

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 

Perhaps play the game and study the new mechanics instead of spitting vomage on one sentence you read....

24/7: Now WHERE are those comments that Wow is a solo game again? LOL

I don't think I need to *study up* on a 5% buff, thanks though.

Also, I guarantee you I have been playing the game a lot longer than you have.

 

And so it shows you are NOT playing it now, since you don't understand what it means "no more instances can be launched at this time".

The catch is that blizzard found the new catchy word for mmorpg play and you are not following: 24/7 group play on your gaming exprience.

It is quite the opposite of old mmo designs: where the OTHERS decided you would HAVE to play.

 

Actually, that was one of the reasons I quit. Nice try though.

Other than that, I've always been able to find a group within about 10 minutes to run a boringly easy instance that I'm now going to have a 5% buff to everything in. No thanks, you can play your little care bear game.

WoW was only good in vanilla.

 Nice, 62 pages of people that don't even play the game spouting off on things that don't even matter.

Thanks for knowing what is best for the rest of us, where would we be without you...

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by darkboarder8

Originally posted by Zorndorf

 And so it shows you are NOT playing it now, since you don't understand what it means "no more instances can be launched at this time".

The catch is that blizzard found the new catchy word for mmorpg play and you are not following: 24/7 group play on your gaming exprience.

It is quite the opposite of old mmo designs: where the OTHERS decided you would HAVE to play.

 

 

Actually, that was one of the reasons I quit. Nice try though.

 

Yeah, obviously you don't want to play 24/7 in group or solo on YOUR choice of place and time.

Well WOW 3.3 allows it in game where 200 million dollars were invested in the last 4 years.

Tough choice indeed. :)))

 To come on topic.

THE blue above  is what MAKES MMO play these days, not what frustrated haters think on mmorpg.com.

 

I'm done with you, all your responses are completely irrelevant to what I am saying, not even worth talking.

Originally posted by Scot

I did not expect an impartial article about this from MMO journalists, point me to the article on this site when they have ever had a go at any decision Blizzard has made?

Putting ‘boy who cried wolf’ in the title sums it up, it was never going to be a balanced article about the pros and cons.

First that ridiculous score for Aion, now this, might as well get back to the player forums where even the fanboys are less rabid in their adoration.

You expected an "impartial" article when dealing with the hysterical reactions we've seen??  Come on now, from the type of reactions we've seen, one would think that they put full T12 gear and weapons up for sale, instead of a couple of useless vanity pets.  No doubt, some of the hysterics will claim that such is "coming soon..."<rolls eyes>. For being ad driven(you do know that this operation costs money?...) I've found that MMORPG is a rather informative and entertaining site.  You must find something of interest here, as you have more than 900 posts to their forums...

Originally posted by Leucrotta

Originally posted by Zorndorf .Instead of writing about the revolutionary cross server dungeons and new LFG tools, they shit on Blizzard - like always.

 

 

Only that can be written about it is that its not revolutionary but a way to hide empty servers.

Perhaps... Or perhaps its a good method of allowing lower levels to find groups for lower level dungeons? Given that the game is 5 years old, there aren't nearly as many in those zones as there once was.  Just about everyone has multiple level 80's by this time.

Originally posted by Wraithone

You expected an "impartial" article when dealing with the hysterical reactions we've seen??  Come on now, from the type of reactions we've seen, one would think that they put full T12 gear and weapons up for sale, instead of a couple of useless vanity pets. 

Up to T12 gear for your strawman argument now?

How about you stick to the claims that we are actually making? - That this is the thin edge of the wedge. A small step towards game-affecting gear being sold eventually.

Even if it isn't - it's still a case of content that used to be added for free now being charged for in excess of the sub fee.

Right now - it's bad, and we are worried that it will get much worse. Is THAT clear?

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Wraithone

You expected an "impartial" article when dealing with the hysterical reactions we've seen??  Come on now, from the type of reactions we've seen, one would think that they put full T12 gear and weapons up for sale, instead of a couple of useless vanity pets. 

Up to T12 gear for your strawman argument now?

How about you stick to the claims that we are actually making? - That this is the thin edge of the wedge. A small step towards game-affecting gear being sold eventually.

Even if it isn't - it's still a case of content that used to be added for free now being charged for in excess of the sub fee.

Right now - it's bad, and we are worried that it will get much worse. Is THAT clear?

But you are questioning blizzard, you can not do that.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Wraithone

You expected an "impartial" article when dealing with the hysterical reactions we've seen??  Come on now, from the type of reactions we've seen, one would think that they put full T12 gear and weapons up for sale, instead of a couple of useless vanity pets. 

Up to T12 gear for your strawman argument now?

How about you stick to the claims that we are actually making? - That this is the thin edge of the wedge. A small step towards game-affecting gear being sold eventually.

Even if it isn't - it's still a case of content that used to be added for free now being charged for in excess of the sub fee.

Right now - it's bad, and we are worried that it will get much worse. Is THAT clear?

Shut it you idiot, you bad mouth blizzard and wow every chance you get, im guessing your that idiot woddy's alt account.  Its bad that they put 2 pets into the store, which you dont even need?   A pet that you wont use,  expcept when ur standing in a city or runn9gn around doing quests?  And your worries about that?  Get a bloody grip u bafoon.  If you dont want a pet then dont bloody buy it, simple as that, this sint an soe shop where they have pots and what have you, where people use it to their advantage.  Does this pet affect you from playing?  Does this pet affect how you play the game?   Ddi you even carer about 2 pets in the game, that are so inconsequentionl its untrue?.  Now you didnt.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Wraithone

You expected an "impartial" article when dealing with the hysterical reactions we've seen??  Come on now, from the type of reactions we've seen, one would think that they put full T12 gear and weapons up for sale, instead of a couple of useless vanity pets. 

Up to T12 gear for your strawman argument now?

How about you stick to the claims that we are actually making? - That this is the thin edge of the wedge. A small step towards game-affecting gear being sold eventually.

Even if it isn't - it's still a case of content that used to be added for free now being charged for in excess of the sub fee.

Right now - it's bad, and we are worried that it will get much worse. Is THAT clear?

Upto? Its the same example of the absurd that I've used multiple times now...Way to keep track of the thread...

Yes, yes(rolls eyes...) I'm certain that this is just the "thin edge" of the "slippery slope" that the evil genius's at Blizzard have been plotting for years now...(cue mad laughter from Blizzards boardroom).

"Content"? Useless *vanity* pets, that do NOTHING in game?? Well, I guess if one wishes to apply such...But has it dawned on some of you that you aren't being forced to purchase those pets?

Right now its "bad"?? I suspect many of you have rather interesting(not to mention entertaining...) notions of what "bad" is. As for the worse, that remains to be seen. 

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Wraithone

You expected an "impartial" article when dealing with the hysterical reactions we've seen??  Come on now, from the type of reactions we've seen, one would think that they put full T12 gear and weapons up for sale, instead of a couple of useless vanity pets. 

Up to T12 gear for your strawman argument now?

How about you stick to the claims that we are actually making? - That this is the thin edge of the wedge. A small step towards game-affecting gear being sold eventually.

Even if it isn't - it's still a case of content that used to be added for free now being charged for in excess of the sub fee.

Right now - it's bad, and we are worried that it will get much worse. Is THAT clear?

CONTENT? Did you just call vanity pets CONTENT? Are you serious?

They threw in a free penguin for anyone who linked their account to Battle.net a few weeks ago. They gave everyone free content! YAY! It was like an entire patch!!!!! Almost as good as 3.3!

Wow. Perhaps you and everyone else who is, indeed, crying wolf should calm down and think about what you're talking about. Content... content has significance. Content is "stuff". Content is valuable additions to the game. Content is partly why WAR failed - it didn't have enough of it in the beginning, especially PvE. Content is not insignificant things such as vanity pets. If they added in a dungeon that you had to pay for, that's paying for content.

It used to be added for free. Hey, everyone, that means Blizzard will now charge for all vanity pets because they used to be added for free, implying that they will no longer be added... for free. You guys are right! After the pets, they'll certainly move towards EXP, buffs, armor, etc. It's the end of the friggin' world!

Originally posted by Malickie

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Wraithone

You expected an "impartial" article when dealing with the hysterical reactions we've seen??  Come on now, from the type of reactions we've seen, one would think that they put full T12 gear and weapons up for sale, instead of a couple of useless vanity pets. 

Up to T12 gear for your strawman argument now?

How about you stick to the claims that we are actually making? - That this is the thin edge of the wedge. A small step towards game-affecting gear being sold eventually.

Even if it isn't - it's still a case of content that used to be added for free now being charged for in excess of the sub fee.

Right now - it's bad, and we are worried that it will get much worse. Is THAT clear?

But you are questioning blizzard, you can not do that.

No. I do it all the time. Don't get me on the subject of the endless nerfs to the death knight class, or I'm likely to go on for pages and pages all by myself

But, that having been said, WoW is a good game(in my opinion) all the way up to level cap. Then its mainly raiding and various forms of PvP. I seriously doubt that Blizzard is plotting to open a full Asian style cash shop, and sell raid gear for real money.

Originally posted by Wraithone

You expected an "impartial" article when dealing with the hysterical reactions we've seen??  Come on now, from the type of reactions we've seen, one would think that they put full T12 gear and weapons up for sale, instead of a couple of useless vanity pets.  No doubt, some of the hysterics will claim that such is "coming soon..."<rolls eyes>. For being ad driven(you do know that this operation costs money?...) I've found that MMORPG is a rather informative and entertaining site.  You must find something of interest here, as you have more than 900 posts to their forums...

Thats not really the point. Micro-transactions and monthly fees should not be in the same game. SOE started, Blizzard follows after and who knows where it will end?
 

Blizzard should have enough money to be able to add these pets in to all players.

The good news is that Arenanet is on the other side of the coin with no micro-transactions and no monthly fees. You still pay for the game and it's expansions but nothing else. If Blizzard plan to use micro-transactions in their next game too I don't see it compete with Guildwars 2.

But this isn't really just about Blizzard, because as we know are many companies copying them (like Blizzard started with copying SOEs EQ and now, ironicly, their micro transactions system). So chanses are that others will follow this.

To me it seems like the big companies are getting greedier, particulary SOE and Blizzard. That doesn't mean that you should quit the game you love but if no one at least protest against it, they can do whatever they like.

Originally posted by Loke666

Thats not really the point. Micro-transactions and monthly fees should not be in the same game. SOE started, Blizzard follows after and who knows where it will end?
 

Blizzard should have enough money to be able to add these pets in to all players.

The good news is that Arenanet is on the other side of the coin with no micro-transactions and no monthly fees. You still pay for the game and it's expansions but nothing else. If Blizzard plan to use micro-transactions in their next game too I don't see it compete with Guildwars 2.

But this isn't really just about Blizzard, because as we know are many companies copying them (like Blizzard started with copying SOEs EQ and now, ironicly, their micro transactions system). So chanses are that others will follow this.

To me it seems like the big companies are getting greedier, particulary SOE and Blizzard. That doesn't mean that you should quit the game you love but if no one at least protest against it, they can do whatever they like.

Exactly.

Originally posted by Wraithone

No. I do it all the time. Don't get me on the subject of the endless nerfs to the death knight class, or I'm likely to go on for pages and pages all by myself

But, that having been said, WoW is a good game(in my opinion) all the way up to level cap. Then its mainly raiding and various forms of PvP. I seriously doubt that Blizzard is plotting to open a full Asian style cash shop, and sell raid gear for real money.

Point taken, I think there may be a bit of confusion on why there are people who feel the need to be vocal about this issue.

My concern was about the industry as a whole moving in this direction. A few vanity pets are not something I feel warrant a 500+ reply thread. However the industry moving toward nickle and dimming us for everything is.

Why shouldn't micro's co-exist with monthly fees? Outside your own preferences that is. 

This is all just another version of   "I pay money, so I should make the rules" type whining. You get what you pay for. If you pay for a game that has micro's built in, you paid for that. Don't like it, then don't pay for it any more.

I'm not agreeing with this article, not even in vague fuzzy terms. Until folks recognize the difference between making a profit and sheer greed we'll get stuck with this lot and as consumers we sorta have it coming. Blizzard was by no means hurting prior to the MT pet store, so at this point it's just more money on the piles of money they already make.

Why is the staff of MMORPG so pumped about anything and everything MT? The whole, "you're freaking out relax or we'll marginalize you" tactic is a bit much as well. I've noticed a lot of game sites for various types of video games (MW2, L4D2 pick a boycott) all spouting this to degrees. I say, by all means those of you who are going to, go ahead and embrace the corporate culture so we can weed out the sites that are about gamers and for gamers and the ones who are about self-service and making money. And why are you so trusting of companies and the...oh, wait, I see what you did there. Quick, add more banners.

Keep chanting; "Wave of the future. Don't overreact! Silly gamers! Silly gamers! Silly!" Yeah, you know what's best for us, my bad.