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Has anyone brought up the fact that if Blizzard has that symbol trademarked and NCSoft reproduced it in a game...such as if a publisher reproduced an image in their magazine...that they are liable for a lawsuit for unauthorized use. Even if they did not realize that it was in their game. |
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Originally posted by haratu Because....? Christianity has killed more people worldwide than nazis were able to kill. And yet their symbol is allowed to show in public.
Religion... along with Christianity in the past has certainly waged war... crusades? Jihad? Religion is definately the source of more evil than good in the world if you look at it over the last 2000 years. |
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I would argue that politics and greed have killed more than any religion ever has. WW2 was not a religious war. Ganghis Khan killing millions on his march was not religious. African tribes killing every man woman and child in enemy tribes was not religious, Stalin's eradication of "enemies of the state" was not religious. What ever anyone say governments, leaders, politicians, and 'organized groups' commit more evil in this world but only religion gets the blame. |
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Originally posted by ghettobooste
Religion... along with Christianity in the past has certainly waged war... crusades? Jihad? Religion is definately the source of more evil than good in the world if you look at it over the last 2000 years. I'm thinking the way you do, but I'm afraid you're talking to deaf ears. Christian have always been very keen in changing their skin when any of their wrongdoings comes to light. EDIT: NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!-- Monty Python But to the topic: I bet that logo has come along with some WoW player/group/guild/legion. They're leaving in flocks and the new haven is... Aion. Sorry.
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Originally posted by ghettobooste
Religion... along with Christianity in the past has certainly waged war... crusades? Jihad? Religion is definately the source of more evil than good in the world if you look at it over the last 2000 years. South Park seems to understand it but apparently you don't. (which is pretty sad because South Park is a stupid but funny show) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_God_Go If people aren't fighting over God then they'll find something else to fight over. Saying Religions causes war is true but people will always find conflicts to fight over (territory, race, resources, etc) |
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Originally posted by byson123
I find the irony in this illiterate's post rich! |
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The swastika will very likely remain linked with Nazism for as long as history endures in the western world. It is now the closest thing to something symbolic of evil, and rightly so, as the unavoidable association with so called "Aryanism" has made what was once considered a harmless token of good luck, representative of the absolute worst in mankind. The symbol's own history in the west has been superseded by the memory of the Holocaust, making it's use utterly inapropiate and offensive. While it's use is officially banned in Germany and a few other countries in Europe which were occupied during World War II, it is by no means illegal to use in most of the western world and it's use remains more widespread than many people would think. It's use it's not banned in my country (Mexico) where unfortunately it's not an uncommon thing to find. The swastika in the east remains a different thing altogether, although it should be pointed that the traditional symbol is rarely the same as the one once used in Germany (Buddhist use a rounded symbol which faces the oposite way and is complemented by dots for instance). However the radicalization of the Arab-Israeli conflict has encouraged an unacceptable trend towards apropiation of Nazi regalia in countries like India or Iran (Which in farsi means "land of the Aryan") that makes it's use inapropiate even for people originating in these regions of the world. Just to make things clear... |
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Originally posted by Pelaaja I would think the UK would know better than to try ranking other countries in any way. They have their own non-stop scandals to deal with and frankly have become just a pale shadow of the empire they once were. It's a different world and monarchies don't much fit in anymore. If you actually took the time to read the page provided, you would've noticed the research result was provided by Legatum Institute. "The Legatum Institute is an independent research, policy, and advocacy organisation that promotes political, economic and individual liberty in the developing and transitioning world." A quote from their webpage. Any other opinions? You're the one that originally posted "According to UK", you blouse-wearing poodle walker. Maybe read your own sources. |
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Originally posted by drajaic
Okay...I'm gonna stop you right there. Elves, Dwarves, Orcs, Dragons, Undead, Magic, Curses, and almost every single other possible thing you can think of in Tolkien's works are from ANCIENT MYTHOLOGY from around the world dating back upwards to a thousand years of more. The reality of the matter is that the entire fantasy genre is nothing but an expansion upon ancient Norse, Germanic, Egyptian, Japanese, etc. mythology and culture. I get sick of people saying "Oh, that was just ripped off from Tolkien" because quite frankly, he stole it as well. And just so ya know, I love his works. Definately prefer the Hobbit over Lord of the Rings though. Frodo was a whiny emo teenager. Bilbo was awesome. I never once said that Tolkien's works weren't based on mythology. What I said was that D&D is based on Tolkien's works specifically, this is acknowledged by the creators themselves many times. And if there is any doubt that the vast majority of fantasy-based games exist today due directly to pen-and-paper D&D than you have your head squarely up your own ass. Ancient Mythology itself is based on popular superstition. So it is hardly original in and of itself. |
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Win. Poodle-walker. ROFL. I'm using that. |
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Astralglide
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Originally posted by byson123 Uhhhh- WoW came before LOTRO and saying that Blizzard ripped off Tolkien would call into question all high fantasy material printed after 1940, including Everything by TSR Publications, Robert Jordan, and George RR Martin to name a few.
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As for which country is the "best" in the world, this depends on the criteria used. The US is certainly at the top of some rankings. Just to make things clear... |
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And? Pretty much everything you named is some variant of an inferior Tolkien derivative. Robert Jordan is a total hack, I read some of his Conan stuff. I'm glad Robert Howard died before he got a chance to see his Conan bastardized in such a fashion. As for GRRM, I tried reading his Song of Fire and Ice series and was bored to tears by the second chapter of the first book. I went right back to my holy trinity of awesomeness. (Tolkien/Howard/Lovecraft) |
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Originally posted by vladakov that sir, i did not know, however, its ridiculous that its possible, for example you could also upload a swastika? LOL
the swastika has been around for almost 600 years it still occurs today in the modern day culture of India, sometimes as a geometrical motif and sometimes as a religious symbol; it remains widely used in Eastern and Dharmic religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism. Open your mind child
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Their is much hatred in this thread and continuing it will lead to the dark side....... |
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Originally posted by vladakov
i seriously didn't know people were able to upload their own pic. -.-'
You are a great example of how smart the WOW community really is, please keep giving a people a reason to leave your Asian Cash Shop game. These threads are funny though :)) Aion Gives you Wings!!! |
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please learn simple game mechanics before bitching about some lame shit that doesnt even matter, i garruntee that symbol was used by that guild in many things other than wow and now AION, its probaly a game hopping guild that thinks they love MMORPGS but just cant find there home, when the next mmo comes out.. guess what they will be there . alot of big guilds are like this and bring there symbols with them |
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This thread is great. We have the "do some research and leave my Aion alone you meanie-head!" fanbots, some weird guy who came in and accused WoW of copying Tolkien, and a "greatest country in the world" debate with some U.S. hating. Oh, and throw in some swastika discussion.
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Originally posted by ninja33284
That symbol originated in WoW. Not sure why anyone would care...it's a cool symbol. If a guild wants to use it, so? I'm also confused how someone can, on one hand, make use of the term 'Asian cash shop' as a disparaging term, yet flip out on others for not liking Aion only because it's an Asian game. Starting to wonder if a lot of people just get baked before they post here. |
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Originally posted by Pelaaja seriously? you never even seen the movies of lotr? XD man you are such a major failure its funny go google it even a idiot like you can do that your making such a fool of your self:D your a shame for the rest of the wow fanboys hahaha still waiting......... I suppose you wouldn't take the address of your local library as an answer?
i dont think even knows what a library is by the looks of it lol We shouldn't be hard for him, they might not have libraries in USA. I've heard that they have adults that can't read. Just what we need more eurotrash bashin on us just to bash on it.just keep in mind you rotten bad tooth moron that 90% of the games and more than likely your OS comes from US.Ofc 90% of you peasants just steal your OS and pretty much all your games and music and movies to begin with. |
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Originally posted by cukimunga
Unfortunately, popular opinion isn't on a first come, first serve basis.. There are far more people who understand the swastika shaped symble as exactly what it is most common as. The nazi swastika. Some people only talk sh!t online. I'll talk sh!t online and i'll say it to your face. |
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Originally posted by rznkain seriously? you never even seen the movies of lotr? XD man you are such a major failure its funny go google it even a idiot like you can do that your making such a fool of your self:D your a shame for the rest of the wow fanboys hahaha still waiting......... I suppose you wouldn't take the address of your local library as an answer?
i dont think even knows what a library is by the looks of it lol We shouldn't be hard for him, they might not have libraries in USA. I've heard that they have adults that can't read. Just what we need more eurotrash bashin on us just to bash on it.just keep in mind you rotten bad tooth moron that 90% of the games and more than likely your OS comes from US.Ofc 90% of you peasants just steal your OS and pretty much all your games and music and movies to begin with. Canada here: Why doesn't the US just move to the Moon and leave everyone else alone then? Right...they haven't found any oil there yet. If you didn't understand, it's clearly because there is a world outside of the internet, gaming and operating systems. You depend on exports from other countries, so your defense is pretty much null. As for the downloading, that's the pot calling the kettle black. Also, please stop giving people stuff to bash you with, it's at a point where it's all too easy.
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Originally posted by vladakov
Well clearly aion is good enough to garner players who are still fans of WoW lore despite the fact that they are playing aion. I'd be proud to know my lore was good enough to bring into other games. Some people only talk sh!t online. I'll talk sh!t online and i'll say it to your face. |
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Originally posted by mrroboto40 still waiting......... I suppose you wouldn't take the address of your local library as an answer?
i dont think even knows what a library is by the looks of it lol We shouldn't be hard for him, they might not have libraries in USA. I've heard that they have adults that can't read. Just what we need more eurotrash bashin on us just to bash on it.just keep in mind you rotten bad tooth moron that 90% of the games and more than likely your OS comes from US.Ofc 90% of you peasants just steal your OS and pretty much all your games and music and movies to begin with. Canada here: Why doesn't the US just move to the Moon and leave everyone else alone then? Right...they haven't found any oil there yet. If you didn't understand, it's clearly because there is a world outside of the internet, gaming and operating systems. You depend on exports from other countries, so your defense is pretty much null. As for the downloading, that's the pot calling the kettle black. Also, please stop giving people stuff to bash you with, it's at a point where it's all too easy. I can't even comprehend how this thread got so off topic. Some people only talk sh!t online. I'll talk sh!t online and i'll say it to your face. |
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Wow now that's some pyramid. Nothing new though, as far as I remember every thread about legion emblems and their freedom on fansites ended up like this (nazis, WW II, etc), it just happened that someone wanted a new reason to call Aion a "WoW clone" and failed, you should mourn the loss of the WoW player that copied the Lordaeron symbol (the origins for this symbol might even come from Warcraft lore...). |
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