A community member here on MMORPG.com (bagguns) gave me access to a 21 day trial account so I'm gonna use it to write my own noob review of the game.  I've tried EVE twice before only getting past the tutorial before losing interest but I'm forcing myself to play through the game for the full 21 days to actually experience the most you can of the universe in 21 days.

First thing I noticed was that the character creation wasn't the same as it was the last two times I played.  Before you had windows to navigate each option where now it is all done in the same window.  It also seemed like there were a lot less options then before, such as I didn't pick any of my stats or my "career" that had some basic abilities. 

Once into the game I noticed I had a different starting ship and skills then I had the last two times I tried the game.  It has been a while and I'm sure a lot has changed in the game as well as the chance that I might have picked a different race.  I picked some skills to train before starting the tutorial and then went ahead and did it for the third time.  The tutorial itself seemed to be slightly different then the last two times I've played as well but I went through it easily enough.  Once I finished with it I noticed that I had the option to "reamp" my stats which were set by defult to be completely equal.

After docking at the station and completing the two tutorial missions it the let me choose a path of military, business, or industry.  I decided to do industry but didn't have enough cargo space to do his mission so I decided to wait on going any further.  I went out in search of an asteroid field to mine some stuff, just to test it out.  While out at the asteroid field I noticed some mining drones just sitting around so I took one of them and went about mining. 

Upon heading back to the station I refined the ore that I had and went to sell it.  I wa kinda confused at first but quickly learned how to use the menu.  One issue I did have was selling the mining drone I picked up.  I had to move it from drone bay to items...it wouldn't sell in my cargo bay.  Also I had to repackage it (If some veteran EVE player is reading this please let me know what the purpose of repackaging is.)  Also noticed that the unrefined ore is worth more then the refined productes which seemed a little weird to me...

So I've probably played a total of four hours and still have 19 days to try the game out.  Havent joined a corp yet but it seems like a lot fo them want your login info to stalk you and see all the stuff you trained (I don't fully understand what they have access too.)  I'll continue to update this as I play more and now for my noob review of four hours.     

Pros:

Options: You have lots of options.  I can't really expand on this because it goes into what I consider a con for the game as well.

Cons:

Complexity:  I know this might be seen as a plus to most people but some things seem to complex.  I'm going to assume it's me being a complete noob, but when I want to sell something and it takes five times longer then it does in other mmos then I see it as a con.  I'm guessing this is where EVE players come in saying EVE is for intelligent people because each of the options has a purpose such as selling to specific people but at the moment my only goal is to sell the crap ore I can't do anything with for money which is useful for me.  I lvoe the player economy and I love the options, but simple tasks take five times the amount of buttons to press opposed to other games.  Like I said this is probably me still being a noob and not being able to use certain items and not having a specific goal...also not knowing all the keyboard shortcuts makes finding what I want seem a lot harder then it is.

Still not sure if I'm going to subscribe or not, gonna wait til I start doing mroe ingame, but I can definatly say that people who enjoy cockpit view, dogfighting space sim combat will probably not enjoy the action EVE.  I recommend trying the game out but some other good space sims are X3 Terran Conflict, Evochron Renegades, Freespace 2, and Allegiance. 

You need to place items from your cargo hold to the Stations hold so you can sell it on the market from that station.

I don't understand the problem.

In WoW you drag the item you want to sell into a auction window and set the price and click sell.

In Eve you drag the item to the station hold and right click the item and select sell then ok.

I don't see how thats five times longer to do than in a game like WoW.

Also in the tutorial if you dont have enough cargo space during a mining or indy mission you could usually finish it in two or three trips.

No need to stop and wait.

As you play more you will get the hang of it. What makes sense in Eve doesn;t make sense in other games due to Eves setting. To me having to unload my ship to sell items makes sense.

Originally posted by metalhead980

 

You need to place items from your cargo hold to the Stations hold so you can sell it on the market from that station.

I don't understand the problem.

In WoW you drag the item you want to sell into a auction window and set the price and click sell.

In Eve you drag the item to the station hold and right click the item and select sell then ok.

I don't see how thats five times longer to do than in a game like WoW.

Also in the tutorial if you dont have enough cargo space during a mining or indy mission you could usually finish it in two or three trips.

No need to stop and wait.

As you play more you will get the hang of it. What makes sense in Eve doesn;t make sense in other games due to Eves setting. To me having to unload my ship to sell items makes sense.

I kinda understand what your saying.  What I meant by the five times longer was in a game like WoW where I just drag a drop and click sell.  In EVE I moved my drone from my drone bay to my cargo and then to the station hold and then found a buy at teh station and then repackaged it before selling.  I know it is just being a noob to the game but it took a while for me to find the drone bay and then I didn't know that it couldn't be in my cargo...  I'm sure I'll get the hang of it but it definatly takes longer then selling to an NPC in other games.

Repackaging is what it means - you can only trade packaged items, makes sense on a realistic viewpoint, you had to first repackage the drone before selling it in the market.

About the ore price it has a lot of factors which will once again fall into the complexity cons for you so I will try to keep it simple. In EVE there is no universal auction house (and no NPCs purchasing your stuff with set prices - only in very few cases), when you wish to buy something you place a buy order with varying ranges (considering the huge universe, you'll have an incredible price variation per location depending on supply & demand), pay attention to the % that the selling price is compared to the regional average before selling.

You can move drones from drone bay to station hold.

Repackaging is basically turning an item from used to new so you can put it on the market.

Kinda like trying to put a damaged item into WoWs auction house. It would give you an error unless you repaired it.

Originally posted by EricDanie

Repackaging is what it means - you can only trade packaged items, makes sense on a realistic viewpoint, you had to first repackage the drone before selling it in the market.

About the ore price it has a lot of factors which will once again fall into the complexity cons for you so I will try to keep it simple. In EVE there is no universal auction house (and no NPCs purchasing your stuff with set prices - only in very few cases), when you wish to buy something you place a buy order with varying ranges (considering the huge universe, you'll have an incredible price variation per location depending on supply & demand), pay attention to the % that the selling price is compared to the regional average before selling.

 

I understand that, but my goal was to get rid of the ore which I had no purpose of to the highest buyer at the station.  I didn't really care about good deals or anyhting since the ore was trash to me.  Even if the ore had a purpose to me I still wouldn't have known but I just wanted the cash and don't wanna jump through holes for it.  As for the repackaging thing...it just seems like an extra step to do. 

That said I'm gonna take metals advice and do the "career" starter missions sicne I now know I can bring stuff back in a couple trips.  Maybe I'll start to learn what stuff is good for.

Originally posted by metalhead980

You can move drones from drone bay to station hold.

Repackaging is basically turning an item from used to new so you can put it on the market.

Kinda like trying to put a damaged item into WoWs auction house. It would give you an error unless you repaired it.

 

 

Yea but I just want to sell the item to someone buying kinda like making a deal with a NPC in other games...I don't wanna have to deal with "putting it on the market."  Also does it cost money to repackage things...I didn't notice lol.

Kinda like how I don't wanna nitpick about the .00 ISK since people do price stuff with varring percentages of an ISK, but I'm sure it would have been fine with a solid integer. 

Originally posted by Ravik

Originally posted by metalhead980

You can move drones from drone bay to station hold.

Repackaging is basically turning an item from used to new so you can put it on the market.

Kinda like trying to put a damaged item into WoWs auction house. It would give you an error unless you repaired it.

 

 

 

Yea but I just want to sell the item to someone buying kinda like making a deal with a NPC in other games...I don't wanna have to deal with "putting it on the market."  Also does it cost money to repackage things...I didn't notice lol.

Kinda like how I don't wanna nitpick about the .00 ISK since people do price stuff with varring percentages of an ISK, but I'm sure it would have been fine with a solid integer. 

You can do what I do just reprocess everything you find.

Right click the item in the station dock and click reprocess and then ok.

Reprocessing is like disenchanting in wow. It breaks things like drones and modules down to refined materials.

most of the time reprocessing yeilds more isk than just selling the item outright.

You can quickly stock pile the reprocessed items and avoid the .01isk sellers and then at the end of your session sell it off in bulk quickly.

I always hated going through every item and actually brining it to a different station. just turn that shit into trit or whatever material those usually sell good in every station.

Originally posted by metalhead980

You can do what I do just reprocess everything you find.

Right click the item in the station dock and click reprocess and then ok.

Reprocessing is like disenchanting in wow. It breaks things like drones and modules down to refined materials.

most of the time reprocessing yeilds more isk than just selling the item outright.

You can quickly stock pile the reprocessed items and avoid the .01isk sellers and then at the end of your session sell it off in bulk quickly.

I always hated going through every item and actually brining it to a different station. just turn that shit into trit or whatever material those usually sell good in every station.

I did that the first ttime but found out I made more selling the ore unrefined then selling the titaniaum or whatever it was called. 

I also had no idea you could reprocess the drone.

Originally posted by Ravik

Originally posted by metalhead980

You can do what I do just reprocess everything you find.

Right click the item in the station dock and click reprocess and then ok.

Reprocessing is like disenchanting in wow. It breaks things like drones and modules down to refined materials.

most of the time reprocessing yeilds more isk than just selling the item outright.

You can quickly stock pile the reprocessed items and avoid the .01isk sellers and then at the end of your session sell it off in bulk quickly.

I always hated going through every item and actually brining it to a different station. just turn that shit into trit or whatever material those usually sell good in every station.

 

I did that the first ttime but found out I made more selling the ore unrefined then selling the titaniaum or whatever it was called. 

I also had no idea you could reprocess the drone.

Yep you can reprocess most items even whole ships.

If your looking to refine ore and make a good profit you need refining skills and you need to gain standing for that particular Npc corp so you have less waste.

After running the tutorials pick a mining agent and run missions with them that will be your dedicated refining station.

There's a lot to Eve. Worse thing you can do is judge this game to quickly.

I took 6 Trials to get into the game.

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Originally posted by Ravik
it seems like a lot fo them want your login info to stalk you and see all the stuff you trained

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No, they want your api key. A way to give out limited information about your character without disclosing your actual login detail.

The reason is simple. They don't trust you. You could be an alt on the same account of a main in a rivaling corporation or alliance trying to infiltrate their ranks. They want to be sure you're the real deal. This is also why most corps will want to have a chat on teamspeak/ventrilo/comms of choice with you before you join.

To be honest, i'd be downright insulted if a corp didn't want to check if we fit together. I'd see that as a lack of interest..

Originally posted by batolemaeus

 

 

No, they want your api key. A way to give out limited information about your character without disclosing your actual login detail.

The reason is simple. They don't trust you. You could be an alt on the same account of a main in a rivaling corporation or alliance trying to infiltrate their ranks. They want to be sure you're the real deal. This is also why most corps will want to have a chat on teamspeak/ventrilo/comms of choice with you before you join.

To be honest, i'd be downright insulted if a corp didn't want to check if we fit together. I'd see that as a lack of interest..

Ok, thank you for clearing that up.  I completely understand wanting to know someone before you let them in their corp but I didn't know about the api key and what it excatly showed people.  The EVE University talks about skill points and amount of money you have with your api key...but they also state they want your UserID, which I might have misunderstood for login info.

Originally posted by Ravik

Originally posted by batolemaeus

 

 

No, they want your api key. A way to give out limited information about your character without disclosing your actual login detail.

The reason is simple. They don't trust you. You could be an alt on the same account of a main in a rivaling corporation or alliance trying to infiltrate their ranks. They want to be sure you're the real deal. This is also why most corps will want to have a chat on teamspeak/ventrilo/comms of choice with you before you join.

To be honest, i'd be downright insulted if a corp didn't want to check if we fit together. I'd see that as a lack of interest..

 

Ok, thank you for clearing that up.  I completely understand wanting to know someone before you let them in their corp but I didn't know about the api key and what it excatly showed people.  The EVE University talks about skill points and amount of money you have with your api key...but they also state they want your UserID, which I might have misunderstood for login info.

Nope, it's completely seperate.

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Originally posted by Ravik
One issue I did have was selling the mining drone I picked up.  I had to move it from drone bay to items...it wouldn't sell in my cargo bay.  Also I had to repackage it (If some veteran EVE player is reading this please let me know what the purpose of repackaging is.)

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Couple major things why you need to repackage items:
1) Prevent selling damaged loot
2) Repackaged items(ships) use much lower space in your cago leaving you to make an option wheter you move more unfitted shipr or much fewer fitted.
3) Prevent ships being used as containers

As for the rest of the post, you're just new and it will take some time to understand why there are things they way they are.

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Originally posted by Ravik
Yea but I just want to sell the item to someone buying kinda like making a deal with a NPC in other games...I don't wanna have to deal with "putting it on the market."

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97% of what you see on market are player transactions.

If you don't want to deal with "putting it on the market.", you have couple options:
1) Don't loot.
2) Reprocess the loot into minerals and use them to build things you will use, consumables seems the best choice.
3) You can try to make a deal with someone who will pay you for m3 of loot.

Ok, this is bothering me.  I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong for the life of me and no guides or players in game have been able to explain it to me.

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7307/eve20091108024120.png

Basiclly I am supposed to mine ore and bring it back...so I got the ore and brought it all back but I can't complete the mission because one of the objectives isn't met...which is bring back the ore ><

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Originally posted by Ravik
Ok, this is bothering me.  I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong for the life of me and no guides or players in game have been able to explain it to me.
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7307/eve20091108024120.png
Basiclly I am supposed to mine ore and bring it back...so I got the ore and brought it all back but I can't complete the mission because one of the objectives isn't met...which is bring back the ore ><

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Place the ore into station hangar('Items').

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Ravik
Ok, this is bothering me.  I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong for the life of me and no guides or players in game have been able to explain it to me.
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7307/eve20091108024120.png
Basiclly I am supposed to mine ore and bring it back...so I got the ore and brought it all back but I can't complete the mission because one of the objectives isn't met...which is bring back the ore ><

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Place the ore into station hangar('Items').

It is in the "Items" I had to make two trips since it wouldn't all fit in my cargo :(   I want to assume its broken yet everyone else seems to have been able to do it.

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Originally posted by Ravik
It is in the "Items" I had to make two trips since it wouldn't all fit in my cargo :(   I want to assume its broken yet everyone else seems to have been able to do it.

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I am not running missions so dunno much about them :(

Did you warp to mission location?
Right click on open space while undocked and select Mission Encounter -> Warp to 0km.

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Ravik
It is in the "Items" I had to make two trips since it wouldn't all fit in my cargo :(   I want to assume its broken yet everyone else seems to have been able to do it.

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I see, sorry.

 

I am not running missions so dunno much about them :(

Did you warp to mission location?
Right click on open space while undocked and select Mission Encounter -> Warp to 0km.

Thanks.  Had to mine that certain one till it was gone.

Originally posted by Ravik

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Ravik
It is in the "Items" I had to make two trips since it wouldn't all fit in my cargo :(   I want to assume its broken yet everyone else seems to have been able to do it.

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I see, sorry.

 

I am not running missions so dunno much about them :(

Did you warp to mission location?
Right click on open space while undocked and select Mission Encounter -> Warp to 0km.

 

Thanks.  Had to mine that certain one till it was gone.

Well that's eve for you.

Originally posted by Malcanis

Originally posted by Ravik

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Ravik
It is in the "Items" I had to make two trips since it wouldn't all fit in my cargo :(   I want to assume its broken yet everyone else seems to have been able to do it.

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I see, sorry.

 

I am not running missions so dunno much about them :(

Did you warp to mission location?
Right click on open space while undocked and select Mission Encounter -> Warp to 0km.

 

Thanks.  Had to mine that certain one till it was gone.

 

Well that's eve for you.

That's quite lulzy. But I haven't seen anything like that since I was a combat mish runner. Also, when I looked at the pic, I saw that the actual objective was just the circle instead of a checkmark, and was going to assume something was amiss with that. But I honestly wasn't sure since I haven't done any mining missions. Plus it's been a while since I've played eve. I've been wanting to get back in, but haven't been sure I really want to.

Originally posted by Ravik

Yea but I just want to sell the item to someone buying kinda like making a deal with a NPC in other games...I don't wanna have to deal with "putting it on the market."  Also does it cost money to repackage things...I didn't notice lol.

One bit of advice.  EVE doesn't care how other games do it.  EVE doesn't care how "you" want the game to be.  EVE provides a the virtual world with a set of rules and tools and you the player are expected to try and master it on your own.

There will be little handholding,  and it isn't always intuitive.  You have to do a lot of research to really understand EVE.  (EVE doesn't care if you don't want to do research, do it or fail).

Start here with this new player guide, it will be but the first of many you'll read if you wish to have a successful career in EVE.

eve.battleclinic.com/guide/3510-BattleClinic-s-EVE-New-Player-Guide.html

And while I don't recommend a career in mining, some folks seem to enjoy it so if you're going to do it, learn it from an expert.

www.envimon.com/francis/eve/completeminersguide_v2.2.pdf

(there might be a newer version, but this is a good place to start)

Finally, the best advice I can give - Never fly what you can't afford to lose.

You won't listen, but will remember this advice one day.

Alright, heres an update.  16 more days on my trial and still unsure if I'm going to sub or not. 

So far no pvp and no corp.

I must say the game is starting to grow on me even thought the gameplay isn't what I really enjoy in a space sim.  Been doing a little exploring (not much to see but I haven't been anywhere dangerous either) and finishing up all my career tutorial missions that give me some free ships. Bought myself a shiny rifter cause it looked cool and pimped it out with the free stuff I got from the missions.

I love the feeling of achievement I get buying new ships and learning new skills.  And the skill system itself works really well for EVE.  The diversity alone with using equimpent and "actions" is kinda what I would want in my dream MMO.  Being able to buy every skill and train it to lvl 1 in practically no time just to be able to try out...aside from the skills that have pre recs but even then I'm sure it wouldn't be so bad if you have everything focusing on that particular skill.  I haven't really found out what I want to do in the game yet but I'm looking around for more missions that I can complete with my ships.
I like the certificate system as well (another aspect I would want in my dream MMO)  

Most likely not gonna be playing any big ships on this trial but they haven't interested me that much so far either.  Like I said, I don't really have a focus at the moment...enjoying my time making money. 

I must say the game does feel boring overall comapred to what I'm used to, but the more more I play the more I enjoy it...not sure it is worth the sub but once I find a corp I'll post a new update.

If you do sub, I hope your guy that gave you the 21day is going to give you some isk since your giving them a month free.

Eve doesn't use Gold, nor do you "lvl" up. Try researching a game before you try to cheat people out of money you moron