Not sure how well publicised this has been in the US, given that the last couple of days coverage have been rightly focused on the Fort Hood shootings.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/05/iran-tested-nuclear-warhead-design

If true this probably proves the intent to weaponise their uranium stocks.

Time is getting shorter for Iran, they may be playing the west for fools but they are kidding themselves if they think Israel will allow them to aquire nuclear weapons.

Originally posted by efefia

Not sure how well publicised this has been in the US, given that the last couple of days coverage have been rightly focused on the Fort Hood shootings.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/05/iran-tested-nuclear-warhead-design

If true this probably proves the intent to weaponise their uranium stocks.

I would be more worried about the US using such weapons,let's face it, the US is the only country that has used them on human beings.

Originally posted by billynomates

Originally posted by efefia

Not sure how well publicised this has been in the US, given that the last couple of days coverage have been rightly focused on the Fort Hood shootings.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/05/iran-tested-nuclear-warhead-design

If true this probably proves the intent to weaponise their uranium stocks.

I would be more worried about the US using such weapons,let's face it, the US is the only country that has used them on human beings.

I haven't heard any US leaders calling out for the total annihilation of another nation. If you have heard differently, please share. We have heard the President of Iran openly call for genocide.

Originally posted by billynomates

Originally posted by efefia

Not sure how well publicised this has been in the US, given that the last couple of days coverage have been rightly focused on the Fort Hood shootings.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/05/iran-tested-nuclear-warhead-design

If true this probably proves the intent to weaponise their uranium stocks.

I would be more worried about the US using such weapons,let's face it, the US is the only country that has used them on human beings.

I nominate you to go be our peace envoy to Iran then.

if you come back with your head still attached, then you win.

Hope they get it. Should balance things out.

Balance is essential for good pvp.

Originally posted by Faxxer

Originally posted by billynomates

Originally posted by efefia

Not sure how well publicised this has been in the US, given that the last couple of days coverage have been rightly focused on the Fort Hood shootings.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/05/iran-tested-nuclear-warhead-design

If true this probably proves the intent to weaponise their uranium stocks.

I would be more worried about the US using such weapons,let's face it, the US is the only country that has used them on human beings.

 

I nominate you to go be our peace envoy to Iran then.

if you come back with your head still attached, then you win.

 

I wouldn't he would probably do that typical European appeasement crap, and hand half the country over to them in exchange for "peace".

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by billynomates

Originally posted by efefia

Not sure how well publicised this has been in the US, given that the last couple of days coverage have been rightly focused on the Fort Hood shootings.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/05/iran-tested-nuclear-warhead-design

If true this probably proves the intent to weaponise their uranium stocks.

I would be more worried about the US using such weapons,let's face it, the US is the only country that has used them on human beings.

 

I haven't heard any US leaders calling out for the total annihilation of another nation. If you have heard differently, please share. We have heard the President of Iran openly call for genocide.

 

Lol. Fish's in America Zombie mode again!
 

America has frequently threatened to nuke Iran and North Korea not to mention Russia.

And yes total annihilation of Russia was the policy. To wipe them off the map completely. Successive American Presidents have called out for this again and again.

 ....then there's the indigineous indians, the japanese bla bla bla. Enough with your America = holier than thou routines already.

FYI You didn't hear the President of Iran openly call for genocide. You just wanted to, so you put words in his mouth. Deliberately and willfully misintepreted his words because you hate him and wnat other people to hate him to.

I'd be more worried about America using nuclear weapons than anyone else if I was at all worried by America using nuclear weapons, which I'm not. They seem to have stopped trying to prove themselves to the Russians these days and if they nuke Iran or North Korea, it wouldn't frighten me. 

North Korea's still quite a dodgey place to start a war I suppose, but Iran? Who cares.

Originally posted by baff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by billynomates

Originally posted by efefia

Not sure how well publicised this has been in the US, given that the last couple of days coverage have been rightly focused on the Fort Hood shootings.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/05/iran-tested-nuclear-warhead-design

If true this probably proves the intent to weaponise their uranium stocks.

I would be more worried about the US using such weapons,let's face it, the US is the only country that has used them on human beings.

 

I haven't heard any US leaders calling out for the total annihilation of another nation. If you have heard differently, please share. We have heard the President of Iran openly call for genocide.

 

FYI You didn't hear the President of Iran openly call for genocide. You just wanted to, so you put words in his mouth.

 

 

Really? I guess Jews and their state don't count?

www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/26/ahmadinejad/

How can this finding be a surprise?  America and frankly the whole world is in love with Obama's image.  They think just the mere fact that he's trying to be nice to Iran will get Iran to stop.  So the whole world is on a "wait and see" attitude because people actually believe in the charm of current administration.

Remember with Obama we're supposed to have Russia's support to put sanctions on Iran?  Hasn't happened.  In fact he has ticked off our eastern european allies in the process, while getting nothing from Russia in return.  Sharp, very sharp.

Remember with Obama, being nice to Iran is supposed to get them to accept a treaty that ships uranium to Russia for processing?  Hasn't happened, in fact the deadline has already been passed.

Remember with Obama, him talking with Iranians is supposed to charm his way through diplomacy and get them to change their mind about wiping Israel off the face of this earth?  Hasn't happened, they're as determined as ever, and still saying they want to wipe Israel off the face of this planet.

Not surprised at the findings at all.  But then I'm not one of the lemmings that actually thought Obama has some super star power that will solve real issues we're facing today.  Because frankly almost a year into office, he hasn't solved any tough issues we're facing. 

Here is what happened with Russia, you threatened them and they escalated instead of backing down. As they always do.

You backed down. You didn't get any concesssions out of them for backing down, because they aren't scared of you.

If you want concessions from Russia it's probably better to offer them something other than military threats. Just a thought.

Realistically you aren't going to get anything from the Russians. Not the Bush way and not the Obama way.  What benefits you wekens them. They aren't going to help you.

Originally posted by Aetius73

Originally posted by baff

FYI You didn't hear the President of Iran openly call for genocide. You just wanted to, so you put words in his mouth. 

Really? I guess Jews and their state don't count?

www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/26/ahmadinejad/

I don't see any quote in that article of the President of Iran calling for the genocide of anyone. Or even for "the Jews" to be wiped off the map.

He doesn't say it. Your article doesn't quote him saying it. You made it up.

You have misquoted him, willfully and deliberately because you hate him and you weant other people to hate him to.

The state of israel? Yes, he has called for that to be wiped off the map. Almost everyone in every surrounding country has done the same.

Bush said "all options are on the table" and then broke test bans by restarting a nuclear program.

He started a program to develop tactical nuclear weapons for use against Natanz. Nuclear bunker busters to blow up Irans under mountain nuclear facilites.

The rest of the world heard that, where were you.

There where threats to use nuclear weapons against North Korea by the Bush administration also.

And yes the Russians threaten to nuke people too, as do the British, French, Indian, Chinese, Pakistani and Israeli's.

We all do it.

The difference between Iran using a nuke on it''s enemies and America using a nuke on Iran is this.....

For Iran, using a nuke against Isreal = MAD.  Mutually assured destruction.

For America using a nuke against Iran, it does not.

Which makes America the more likely of the two to use nukes.

Originally posted by baff

 

Here is what happened with Russia, you threatened them and they escalated instead of backing down. As they always do.

You backed down. You didn't get any concesssions out of them for backing down, because they aren't scared of you.

If you want concessions from Russia it's probably better to offering them something other than military threats. Just a thought.

 

Originally posted by Aetius73

Originally posted by baff

FYI You didn't hear the President of Iran openly call for genocide. You just wanted to, so you put words in his mouth. 

Really? I guess Jews and their state don't count?

www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/26/ahmadinejad/

I don't see any quote in that article of the President of Iran calling for the genocide of anyone. Or even for "the Jews" to be wiped off the map.

He doesn't say it. Your article doesn't quote him saying it. You made it up.

You have misquoted him, willfully and deliberately because you hate him and you weant other people to hate him to.

 

The state of israel? Yes, he has called for that to be wiped off the map. Almost everyone in every surrounding country has done the same.

And because Isreal's neighbors do the same  that makes it right? That like saying murder is ok because everyone is doing it.

The Austrailians wanted him indicted for trying to incite genocide. Apparently it comes out of his mouth enough that someone besides the Jews and the U.S. thinks he is serious.

www.theage.com.au/news/national/charge-iranian-president-with-inciting-genocide-labor/2007/03/05/1172943356983.html

apparently this group thinks so too.

www.iheu.org/node/1896

I can under stand why European anti-jewish sentiment is growing though so many of your countries have large muslim minorities.

Originally posted by Aetius73

And because Isreal's neighbors do the same  that makes it right? That like saying murder is ok because everyone is doing it.

The Austrailians wanted him indicted for trying to incite genocide. Apparently it comes out of his mouth enough that someone besides the Jews and the U.S. thinks he is serious.

www.theage.com.au/news/national/charge-iranian-president-with-inciting-genocide-labor/2007/03/05/1172943356983.html

apparently this group thinks so too.

www.iheu.org/node/1896

I can under stand why European anti-jewish sentiment is growing though so many of your countries have large muslim minorities.

 

Anti jewish sentiment is growing in many of our countries because of their illegal and brutal occupation Palestine.

You don't have to be muslim to watch the pictures on TV.

US Inspectors said that there isn't anything to worry about at that site, and they went in there fairly recently. I don't remember the finer details, but I will take the US Inspectors word over sensational newspaper headlines out to make a buck any day.

Originally posted by

Originally posted by baff

 

Here is what happened with Russia, you threatened them and they escalated instead of backing down. As they always do.

You backed down. You didn't get any concesssions out of them for backing down, because they aren't scared of you.

If you want concessions from Russia it's probably better to offer them something other than military threats. Just a thought.

 

Realistically you aren't going to get anything from the Russians. Not the Bush way and not the Obama way.  What benefits you wekens them. They aren't going to help you.

 

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Russia wasn't threatening NATO allies, it was protecting Russian allies.

Eastern Europeans aren't your allies. They are Russia's allies.

Wesern Eutrope are your allies.

P.S. those Ukrainians that are scared of the Russians. (As opposed to those Ukrainains who are Russians) are the same Ukrainians who ran all the death camps and genocides of the Jews in WW2.  Why would you want to defend them against Russia?

You need to work something out mate. Ukraine is none of your business. When you make it your business, you are threatening Russia.

Threatening Russia is a misatke. You should stick to threatening people who can't nuke you back 2 times over. Like Iran and North Korea.

Originally posted by

Originally posted by baff

Bush said "all options are on the table" and then broke test bans by restarting a nuclear program.

He started a program to develop tactical nuclear weapons for use against Natanz. Nuclear bunker busters to blow up Irans under mountain nuclear facilites.

The rest of the world heard that, where were you.

 

 

<Mod Edit>

 

 

No mate. That program is re-announced everytime they want to turn the diplomatic ratchet up with Iran. they do it again and again.

Likewise, those carrier groups and fleet exercises that turn up off the coast at around the same time....   and those generals giving their advise on how they would do it......

It's a threat .

A real threat. Not just words in the media but actual warships, warplanes and missiles in strike range.

A threat from a country with the largest array of weaponry in the region, a history of enmity, a history of using WMD, that owns more WMD's that you can shake a stick at, a history of repeated invasions and military interventions, a country with massive and open public support for bombing Iran.

America isn't known around the world for it's peaceful behaviour. Make no mistake. When America says it has not ruled out the use of nuclear weapons, it means it and it want's it's enemies to hear.

Originally posted by Gazenthia

US Inspectors said that there isn't anything to worry about at that site, and they went in there fairly recently. I don't remember the finer details, but I will take the US Inspectors word over sensational newspaper headlines out to make a buck any day.

It's not that simple matey.

Isreali sites were also regularly passed off on by inspectors.

And yet they still bulit the bombs at the very sites the that were inspected most often.

Iran getting the bomb is a very real possibility and no one can  accurately guess precisely how long it could take them.

Originally posted by baff

Originally posted by Aetius73

And because Isreal's neighbors do the same  that makes it right? That like saying murder is ok because everyone is doing it.

The Austrailians wanted him indicted for trying to incite genocide. Apparently it comes out of his mouth enough that someone besides the Jews and the U.S. thinks he is serious.

www.theage.com.au/news/national/charge-iranian-president-with-inciting-genocide-labor/2007/03/05/1172943356983.html

apparently this group thinks so too.

www.iheu.org/node/1896

I can under stand why European anti-jewish sentiment is growing though so many of your countries have large muslim minorities.

 

 

Anti jewish sentiment is growing in many of our countries because of their illegal and brutal occupation Palestine.

You don't have to be muslim to watch the pictures on TV.

The U.N. recognized Israel's right to exist as a state in 1948. As soon as you brits left six muslims nations attacked. The muslims deserved what they got. If they had not attacked Israel they would not have lost territory. If the arabs where that broken up over the fate of the Palestinians they would have given them homes long ago. They let the Palestinians rot as refugees to generate sympathy in Europe and anti-jewish sentiment. I can see it is working. Personally I think they have showed a good deal of restraint considering they get hit with rockets every time you turn around. They could have simply kicked them all out of the occupied territories, but they didn't. Until recently Israel was the only democracy in the middle-east. You'd think other democracies would be supportive of that.

They took a barren desert and turned it into a very productive high standard of living nation. With almost more GDP than their two largest neighbors who have a populations and land many times the size.

42 Israel 202,101

49 Egypt 162,617

68 Syria 54,803

Per Capita GDP really shows the difference

29 Israel 28,409

111 Syria 2,768

117 Egypt 2,162

It is pretty obvoius who is making better use of the land. Why is Europe so dead set against a democracy? They have even given back 90% of territories conquered. How much more reasonable can you get? If they are as evil as you purport them to be why haven't they used their nukes on the muslims?

Originally posted by Gazenthia

US Inspectors said that there isn't anything to worry about at that site, and they went in there fairly recently. I don't remember the finer details, but I will take the US Inspectors word over sensational newspaper headlines out to make a buck any day.

Did you even read the article linked before making such a blind comment?  Just to help you out, the article simply stated that it has learned UN nuclear watchdogs want answers from Iran about evidence that Iran has tested advanced nuclear warhead.  It's a crucial step in building nuclear weapons.

This isn't some "sensational newspaper headlines", this sensational newspaper is simply reporting what it has learned from IAEA.

The U.N. did recgnise Israels right to exist. But only after they ilegally invaded Palestine. Prior to 1948 the U.N. was doing everything in it's power to stop the mass migration of european Jews to Palestine.

In 1948 the U.N. also recognised the State of Palestine and Jerusalam as it's capital city.

Theres no point you pretending that Israels neighbours forced them to invade Jerusalem to defend themselves. That's not what happened.

My heart does not bleed for the Jews who illegally invaded Palestine. I do not lie awake at night think "what a bum deal they got". The irony of what happened to them under the Germans and what they have themselves become is not lost on me.

Many arabs have had to give the Palestinians their homes. Those refugees displaced by the european invaders have all had to go some where, why do you think they are all so annoyed? If you want someone to give up their homes for a Jew, why not give up yours? Why not let your neighbouring countries take you in so a Jewish migrant can have your house and use your land to grreater profit?

Israel isn't a democracy mate. Democracy is about consentual rule not military occupation.

All the Israeli's want is a little more land to live on. They make good use of it. Just a little living space. Is that so unreasonable, the arabs can take in the Palestinians who live there instead.

Liebenstrausse. It's all the Nazi's wanted too.

The Israelis' are a morally indefensible people mate.  The won't stop pushing and expanding until someone stops them.

Forcing the Palestinians into other countries creates the exact same problems Palestine is haveing with the European jews to be felt by all israels neighbeours with the Palestinians. They aren't happy about it mate. They didn't all just wake up one morning and go " Israeli's are nice people who make better use of the land so lets declare war on them".

That's the reason why the world powers after WW2 all tried to stop the European jews mass migration. They knew only too well what happens. But they failed. In the end not everything can be controlled. Events take over.

The israeli's have no right to that land. They are just aggressors plain and simple. And yes, they are being rocket attack by Palestians. What did you expect? That the Palestinians would lie down and go quietly into the night?

The Israelis have wiped Palestine off the map. 

I don't feel any bond of kinship with that nation at all. (or the Palestinians for that matter who have been equally as much trouble as the European Jews in everywhere they have ended up).

It's not my problem.  The Israelis' are going to kill all the Palestinians for the land. Only Iran can stop them.

But I don't care about the outcome particularly. That's not my fight.

It's no secret the conflict there has been going on for a loooong time.  So to go back in history and talk about who was the good guys who was the bad guys is very hard.  I'm sure all races, nationalities, and colors on this planet have been bad guys before.  I'm not supporting anybody in particular there, but these days no countries can go wipe out another country without being seen as bad guys.  That's just the way it is.  I'm sure there were bad Americans that did other people wrong before, but I wasn't involved.  My thing is stop having beef with me and fellow Americans today for whatever happened before, or whatever pain your ancestors suffered before.

As far as I'm concerned, they need to learn to co-exist.  We now possess weapons that can destroy this planet, the only planet known to mankind that can support our way of life.  It's really not the time to talk about wiping anybody off the face of the earth anymore.

That's my view, and why Iran having nuclear weapons is a bad idea.  It doesn't take common sense to know that.

I'll bet something happens before Christmas, and I'll be thinking and smiling of Baff when it does.

Originally posted by baff

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by billynomates

Originally posted by efefia

Not sure how well publicised this has been in the US, given that the last couple of days coverage have been rightly focused on the Fort Hood shootings.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/05/iran-tested-nuclear-warhead-design

If true this probably proves the intent to weaponise their uranium stocks.

I would be more worried about the US using such weapons,let's face it, the US is the only country that has used them on human beings.

 

I haven't heard any US leaders calling out for the total annihilation of another nation. If you have heard differently, please share. We have heard the President of Iran openly call for genocide.

 

Lol. Fish's in America Zombie mode again!
 

America has frequently threatened to nuke Iran and North Korea not to mention Russia.

And yes total annihilation of Russia was the policy. To wipe them off the map completely. Successive American Presidents have called out for this again and again.

 ....then there's the indigineous indians, the japanese bla bla bla. Enough with your America = holier than thou routines already.

FYI You didn't hear the President of Iran openly call for genocide. You just wanted to, so you put words in his mouth. Deliberately and willfully misintepreted his words because you hate him and wnat other people to hate him to.

 

I'd be more worried about America using nuclear weapons than anyone else if I was at all worried by America using nuclear weapons, which I'm not. They seem to have stopped trying to prove themselves to the Russians these days and if they nuke Iran or North Korea, it wouldn't frighten me. 

North Korea's still quite a dodgey place to start a war I suppose, but Iran? Who cares.

 

I believe I said, I haven't heard...

I'm 47. I haven't heard in my life any American leaders calling for the annihilation of Russia. let's see some evidence.

I certainly have only heard American leaders apologizing for native Americans, but if you have any evidence, please share.

However the president of Iran  did call out for genocide, and I know I did not want to hear that. So, as we see, like so many haters on this forum, you are simply lying on many counts.

Originally posted by Aetius73

Originally posted by baff

Originally posted by Aetius73

And because Isreal's neighbors do the same  that makes it right? That like saying murder is ok because everyone is doing it.

The Austrailians wanted him indicted for trying to incite genocide. Apparently it comes out of his mouth enough that someone besides the Jews and the U.S. thinks he is serious.

www.theage.com.au/news/national/charge-iranian-president-with-inciting-genocide-labor/2007/03/05/1172943356983.html

apparently this group thinks so too.

www.iheu.org/node/1896

I can under stand why European anti-jewish sentiment is growing though so many of your countries have large muslim minorities.

 

 

Anti jewish sentiment is growing in many of our countries because of their illegal and brutal occupation Palestine.

You don't have to be muslim to watch the pictures on TV.

The U.N. recognized Israel's right to exist as a state in 1948. As soon as you brits left six muslims nations attacked. The muslims deserved what they got. If they had not attacked Israel they would not have lost territory. If the arabs where that broken up over the fate of the Palestinians they would have given them homes long ago. They let the Palestinians rot as refugees to generate sympathy in Europe and anti-jewish sentiment. I can see it is working. Personally I think they have showed a good deal of restraint considering they get hit with rockets every time you turn around. They could have simply kicked them all out of the occupied territories, but they didn't. Until recently Israel was the only democracy in the middle-east. You'd think other democracies would be supportive of that.

They took a barren desert and turned it into a very productive high standard of living nation. With almost more GDP than their two largest neighbors who have a populations and land many times the size.

42 Israel 202,101

49 Egypt 162,617

68 Syria 54,803

Per Capita GDP really shows the difference

29 Israel 28,409

111 Syria 2,768

117 Egypt 2,162

It is pretty obvoius who is making better use of the land. Why is Europe so dead set against a democracy? They have even given back 90% of territories conquered. How much more reasonable can you get? If they are as evil as you purport them to be why haven't they used their nukes on the muslims?

I've yet to see any relevent justification for the above. It's theft, pure and simple and trying to justify it with GDP figures is as completely fucking ridiculous as it is irrelevent.

Also worth remembering that we pulled our troops out of Palestine, enabling the creation of the Israeli state because we were put under pressure by the US, which effectively meant the US administration backed the terrorist campaign against us. I don't think you meant to imply any blame but I thought it was worth pointing out as others may have come to that conclusion.