The "trick with the charity donation"? Disgusting. I can't believe people think like this nowadays and miss the fact that the same company who is selling vanity pets made an effort and used it's name brand to HELP OTHERS. I mean they can just take your money like the Race Change... but they did not. Think about it. It's a win-win situation for everybody. You get a pet. Blizz gets more humanity points and because you use your money to pay for it, you are partially responsible for the SMILES of lucky MaWF recipients.

Still, DISFCKINGGUSTING. When was the last time you actually helped someone?

Originally posted by bestiacorpus

 

Still, DISFCKINGGUSTING. When was the last time you actually helped someone?

I'll avoid personal insults, and point out that only one of those pets has 1/2 of its cost go to charity, and that is only for a couple of months.

If you buy both pets before January, the charity gets $5 and the billion-dollar company gets $15. After that, Blizzard gets it all.

You people are being played.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Hmm.

http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=29845

"Does this mean you'll be introducing more services like this in the future? Will you be introducing the ability to buy epic weapons/etc. in the future, for example?

As with the pets, mounts, and other items players can obtain through Loot cards from the World of Warcraft Trading Card Game, Pet Store pets are purely cosmetic and just for fun. Like other paid services we offer, such as Paid Name Changes, Race Changes, and Character Re-Customizations, the Pet Store service is entirely optional and intended to provide players another means to enjoy World of Warcraft in a way that isn't detrimental to the game and that doesn't detract from the gameplay experience for players who choose not to use the service."

No denial there that they will be selling game-effect items later on.

you're also terrible at reading and analization

"...another means to enjoy World of Warcraft in a way that isn't detrimental to the game and that doesn't detract from the gameplay experience for players who choose not to use the service."

Do you really think a billion dollar name will just go one day and sell raid loot or any loot that gives advantage for real money? The #1 time sink of the game? Risking subscription cancellations reaching numbers so hard to comprehend you'd think the company just want to die?

use your brain sometimes.

Originally posted by bestiacorpus

The "trick with the charity donation"? Disgusting. I can't believe people think like this nowadays and miss the fact that the same company who is selling vanity pets made an effort and used it's name brand to HELP OTHERS. I mean they can just take your money like the Race Change... but they did not. Think about it. It's a win-win situation for everybody. You get a pet. Blizz gets more humanity points and because you use your money to pay for it, you are partially responsible for the SMILES of lucky MaWF recipients.

Still, DISFCKINGGUSTING. When was the last time you actually helped someone?

You are so gullible. 

Blizzard literally swims in money and they couldn't donate money but had to sell pets in order to do so? 

Blizzard couldn't donate all the profit to a charity?

Blizzard had to publicly announce that they were donating money to charity? Why?

Hmm....could it be that Blizzard is so dirty that they abuse the cover of a charity to make their actions seem more likeable and avoid bad press when sneaking in a cash shop? BINGO. WE HAVE A WINNER!

I disagree with what your saying about WoW's item shop. They dont sell anything what will effect how you character plays, Gear, Weapons, Potions etc etc, until that day ill keep subbing. 

Originally posted by Boltonsquad

I disagree with what your saying about WoW's item shop. They dont sell anything what will effect how you character plays, Gear, Weapons, Potions etc etc, until that day ill keep subbing. 

 You are correct. However alot of people play the game for more than just combat. Those players however few in number got the shaft.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by bestiacorpus

 

Still, DISFCKINGGUSTING. When was the last time you actually helped someone?

I'll avoid personal insults, and point out that only one of those pets has 1/2 of its cost go to charity, and that is only for a couple of months.

If you buy both pets before January, the charity gets $5 and the billion-dollar company gets $15. After that, Blizzard gets it all.

You people are being played.

Who cares if Blizz gets the full amount after the time period? It's their product.
 

For 2 months, that's still $5/pet purchase going to a good cause.

and to the dude who called me gullible:

Server/Gender/Name/Class/Race Change, Trading Card Game, Blizzcon In-game bonus packs

I smell Cash Shops.  SNEAKY! I wonder what they did to cover that up back then... hmmm must be the old BG honor grind mess.

Do you always think like this? The world is after me and I have to be super paranoid so I don't get taken advantage of.

Originally posted by bestiacorpus

you're also terrible at reading and analization

"...another means to enjoy World of Warcraft in a way that isn't detrimental to the game and that doesn't detract from the gameplay experience for players who choose not to use the service."

Read it. There is NO denial there.

Do you really think a billion dollar name will just go one day and sell raid loot or any loot that gives advantage for real money? The #1 time sink of the game? Risking subscription cancellations reaching numbers so hard to comprehend you'd think the company just want to die?

use your brain sometimes.

If their accountants figure out that they would lose 1/2 of their subscribers, but profits would go up 75%, yup, they would do it.

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Originally posted by OrangeJuices

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Originally posted by bestiacorpus

The "trick with the charity donation"? Disgusting. I can't believe people think like this nowadays and miss the fact that the same company who is selling vanity pets made an effort and used it's name brand to HELP OTHERS. I mean they can just take your money like the Race Change... but they did not. Think about it. It's a win-win situation for everybody. You get a pet. Blizz gets more humanity points and because you use your money to pay for it, you are partially responsible for the SMILES of lucky MaWF recipients.
Still, DISFCKINGGUSTING. When was the last time you actually helped someone?

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You are so gullible. 
Blizzard literally swims in money and they couldn't donate money but had to sell pets in order to do so? 
Blizzard couldn't donate all the profit to a charity?
Blizzard had to publicly announce that they were donating money to charity? Why?
Hmm....could it be that Blizzard is so dirty that they abuse the cover of a charity to make their actions seem more likeable and avoid bad press when sneaking in a cash shop? BINGO. WE HAVE A WINNER!

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Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by bestiacorpus

you're also terrible at reading and analization

"...another means to enjoy World of Warcraft in a way that isn't detrimental to the game and that doesn't detract from the gameplay experience for players who choose not to use the service."

Read it. There is NO denial there.

Do you really think a billion dollar name will just go one day and sell raid loot or any loot that gives advantage for real money? The #1 time sink of the game? Risking subscription cancellations reaching numbers so hard to comprehend you'd think the company just want to die?

use your brain sometimes.

If their accountants figure out that they would lose 1/2 of their subscribers, but profits would go up 75%, yup, they would do it.

lolnerdrageinred

Have you ever played the game? Do you know why "hardcore" raiders are QQing? If you can read LFG, you can get anything. If you have gold, you can buy items using in-game currency to buy from farm guilds (faster than joining PUGs). Next patch there will be a new LFG. More farm guilds to chose from. Who's gonna use $$$ to purchase the same thing you can get easily? And replaced by an expansion "common/green" item...

What profit? There's no profit if the game loses subscribers. More and bigger loses from all the investors bailing out on the company. Think long term before you spew out geek numbers please.

Originally posted by bestiacorpus

What profit? There's no profit if the game loses subscribers. More and bigger loses from all the investors bailing out on the company. Think long term before you spew out geek numbers please.

Sorry if math hurts your head, but if you lose 1/2 your customers, but the ones who stay spend 3 times as much, you're making 50% more overall. Not to mention, your costs are lower with fewer customers to support.

With the right items in the cash shop, it would be very easy to get people to spend a LOT of money.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by bestiacorpus

What profit? There's no profit if the game loses subscribers. More and bigger loses from all the investors bailing out on the company. Think long term before you spew out geek numbers please.

Sorry if math hurts your head, but if you lose 1/2 your customers, but the ones who stay spend 3 times as much, you're making 50% more overall. Not to mention, your costs are lower with fewer customers to support.

With the right items in the cash shop, it would be very easy to get people to spend a LOT of money.

"your costs are lower with fewer customers to support"

you're kidding right? who in the right mind builds a business for "fewer customers"?

1/2 customers?

WoW is just a part of a huuuge gorilla we call Blizzard. One big mistake will take away millions of Warcraft, Diablo, Starcraft profits.  GG thinking it's just 1/2.

right items? haha more like flavor of the month

I'm going to sleep.

I'll do what ever i want with my cash thank you very much. =)

I won't support any game with a sub and cash shop.  Period.

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Originally posted by qombi
That's just it, they are selling your a product that use to be included in your game for the cost of your sub you are already paying and box purchase but it seems you can't wrap your brain around that. Now the shop is there do you think the same amount of vanity pets are going to be included in the game or patches? No they will not, they will be in the store.

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.....and exactly when were 'these' pets available to me in the game???

My point, if you had bothered to read it was that Blizzard is under no obligation to provide you with anything other than what is required to play the game, outside of that the intellectual/physical property is theirs to do with as they wish, can you wrap YOUR head around that??

Where does it say on the box, in the agreements that you ticked and accepted when you started or anywhere on their website that you are 'entitled' to any new vanity pets, mounts, toys or whatever else they may develop in the future???

If you want the pets, go buy them, if you don't, then don't buy them. How could this be any simpler?

 No point in discussing this. People are to set in their ways. Unable to see things from a different perspective than their own.

One of the previous posters mentioned that the pets you buy can be sold in the AH.  Is that true?

If it is then effectively Blizzard is giving players a means of buying gold.  Does the section WoW community who supports buying these pets see that a desirable side effect?

Originally posted by ste2000

Unfortunately there are 2 different kind of people who play modern MMORPGs.
Real MMORPGs players, who are the ones who put a focus on the RPG part of the world and like to build their charater slowly by playing the game.
And there are the single player gamers who play the MMORPGs for the Massively aspect and don't give a stuff of the RPG element, they want to be Uber now so they can compete with others as soon as possible.

Because of this second category, RMT will be introduced in almost every MMORPG unfortunately.
I am old school and I don't like companies implementiong cash shops in the games, therefore I won't play those games.
Others unfortunately will.

I am in 100% agreence. But like you I am an old school RPGer and still relish the struggle.

Originally posted by Bama1267

Originally posted by Boltonsquad

I disagree with what your saying about WoW's item shop. They dont sell anything what will effect how you character plays, Gear, Weapons, Potions etc etc, until that day ill keep subbing. 

 

 You are correct. However alot of people play the game for more than just combat. Those players however few in number got the shaft.

The ones that don't just play for combat are the ones more likely to be happy that this cool new innocuous blinky toy is available. Blizzard created option items catering to that crowd and they're shafted... why? 

All of you guys who say you wont support a game that has a subscription and a cash shop are fooling yourselves. 

It will happen, it wont be avoided.

This is just like all the gammers who said " i will never play a game that i have to BUY, and pay a fee to play!"  Look where we are today, that battle was lost long ago.

If people didnt really want it to happen, farming companies wouldnt be making millions/billions from all the people BUYING  in game items with REAL money.

What you are complaining about is just a company claiming what is thiers by right.  People ARE paying CASH for in game items, even in a game like wow where money is EASY to come by there are farmers hard at work for the lazy, or casual gamers. (please not that i am NOT callin casual gamers lazy, i fully understand that not everyone can play a game for days on end to get the uber leet items)

The game belongs to the company that created it, not the farmers and not you.  As long as people are willing to pay for the items, it is the companies right to get paid for it, not some a-hole farmer, which of course may include some of you.

You want to avoid it?here is what you can do. 

1.  go make your own game. 

2. Dont charge a fee to play it, cause ya know its not fair to double dip. 

3. Then watch all the little farmers show up.  You will of course try to stop them and fail (contrary to popular belief not all farmers are from china, or asia for that matter)

4. start charging fee's to help off set the losses from fighting the farmers

4a. watch your little company get taken over by <insert evil large gamming company here>cause you went broke trying to fight the farmers

5.  watch them get supper rich buy adding  a cash shop to your game

 There are always alternatives, don't expect any company to not be greedy.

The best reaction to this is simply to stop supporting them, regardless of whether this will have a major impact on them or not. This is the start of a trend, and the only reason Blizzard could do this is a semi-domination on the western market.

The only counter is to stir competition.