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Originally posted by qombi
It's entirely possible that.... and hear me out here... that people DO like buying hats and pets and DO find it worth the 5-15 dollars to get them.
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The current influx of players to DDO says there is a huge market for this. Expect more of it. As it turns out many players are willing to pay MORE pr. month, if they can just control how much, and for what. Blizzard have seen the signs as well, and they want some of that cake as well. Of course they do. DDO really hit the head on the nail with the P2P/F2P combo, expect the otehr large western MMO's to follow soon. Well with the possibel exeption of the sandbox MMO's as thier balance is a bit more fragile when it comes to stuff like this. But who am I kidding, the sandboxes will find a way to do this as well... |
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Wow didn't add an in game item shop. ---------- "No, your wrong.." - Random user #123 "Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features. How are you?" -Me |
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The article on the front page of mmorpg had a hot topic about this and another poster as well. What I think we all have to realise as gamers is we are reaching the upper limits of what mmo companies can do with costs if these statements are to be believed. If the games are going to be better they will have to have alternative sorts of revenue. For one too many games have and do spend lot's of money and seriously underwhelm upon release.AOC a great example of this and Darkfall, Dark and Light and others. I can begrudge the industry selling loading screens for advertising dollars (this actually could be more interesting then the same art you get everytime a load screen occurs) and beleive it or not vanity items I could see as well. I really don't know if it such a bad idea for certain games to even offer currency for a price since other companies are turning a profit from it and to discourage so many gold spammers. My one real concern is these things in general need to be done away from general view. I don't want to log on to a menu of them trying to push extra product for something I'm already paying for. Set up a building and get it out of the way. But when it comes to game mechanics and progression that is a line that shouldn't be crossed. Especially in a game that has a competative aspect to it. And the thing about it is just about every mmo out there has a pvp system. See why it is still a slippery slope no matter what side of the argument you are on? I play mmo's but don't care for raiding at all, and don't like lengthy instances so usually any bells and whistles gained from areas like that I don't see. So cosmetic things and those that only affect an individuals personal playing experience is fine with me. |
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Originally posted by jaxsundane
I don't think RMT is the answer, it takes away from keeping the game in the game and not turning games into a digital store. Buying armor, costumes, pets, mounts, potions etc with real money isn't playing a game. Swiping your credit card to obtain in game items is the anti-game. There is no gameplay whatever involved in obtaining these in game items. I don't want to play dress up with my credit card in a digital store. I want to play a GAME. I want to have the opportunity to obtain all my items from GAMEPLAY. I myself will not play RMT "games" aka digital stores. If they all go this route I will just silently leave the genre. Buying digital garbage doesn't sound like fun gaming to me. |
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Originally posted by LynxJSA
It's entirely possible that.... and hear me out here... that people DO like buying hats and pets and DO find it worth the 5-15 dollars to get them.
Sure if you are dense enough to not realize that you are paying for items that would have been in the game before with your sub fee and box purchase. All those fluff items before that you use to get with patches and box purchase, little pet vendors in game .. quest etc .. now replaced with you forking out more money to have the same stuff. Why add in what you would have for the players current cost when you could add it in some stupid little shop where people have to pay extra? They won't. With your ability to be suckered, maybe you deserve to be playing this type of game. You only hurt yourself. How did you enjoy playing the GAME to get those items for your character? That's right you didn't, you swiped your credit card. Congratulations on playing dress up with digital items from a digital store .. it's no longer a game. |
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come to Darkfall and/or Mortal Online. |
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Originally posted by jason_webb
That's just it, they are selling your a product that use to be included in your game for the cost of your sub you are already paying and box purchase but it seems you can't wrap your brain around that. Now the shop is there do you think the same amount of vanity pets are going to be included in the game or patches? No they will not, they will be in the store. |
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Well, I work quite a bit. Sometimes, I cannot keep up with my guild with gear and load-outs. I have a family and a decent job. I do not see a problem with buying in-game items as long as that allows you to be gear rated average (lower tiered) among equal leveled characters.
I do not agree with in-game currency to be sold for real cash however. |
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I really disagree with Blizz selling in game items. I can live with Blizz selling vanity pets. However, I will stop playing the moment that Blizz sells gear / gold. |
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Squal'Zell
 Hard Core Member
Joined: 10/09/04
"Next time i log in SWG ill probably see elves and druids" |
i am ok with the retail+ subscription i am ok for an RMT or anything requiring me to pay extra ONLY if i get something tangible. i would pay for a T-shirt/keychain/artbook/poster/hat/cap/whatever with the game's logo or game oriented. now paying for the BOX + SUBSCRIPTION + DIGITAL ITEMS IN GAME (regardless if they are usefull or not) thats just theft. I mean are we going to end up paying 15+ say, 10 for armor set 5 for weapon set another 10 for some cosmetic set that make you look cool 15 for a new "zone" thats 45$!! for 1 account! each month. now pay for a year. now add box + 2 expansions per year. (lets put round numbers 50 for box 50 for expansions) thats close to 700$ /account /year i didnt include collectibles or pets or things that fall in "other" category. DAMN ! i pay less for my data smartphone per month! (oh dont forget your internet connection that costs moneyz to) i think its getting quite expensive to play videogames IMHO... @the person who stated the collectible's edition being a rip of? maybe... but at least i get posters, soundtracks, books, and sometimes key chains and other goodies (including a free collectibles edition ingame item or special character features.
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What game you buying that has 2 paid expansions a year? |
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Originally posted by Squal'Zell
Oh I agree, real physical merchandise is fine. Shirts, mugs, toys etc is fair. It isn't inside of the game world. Virtual items for real life cash. That isn't gameplay or content .. that is a digital store, not a game. |
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maybe somethign good will come of this...we can get rid of raiders and open up more small group oriented content. |
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Originally posted by qombi
Sure if you are dense enough to not realize that you are paying for items that would have been in the game before with your sub fee and box purchase. All those fluff items before that you use to get with patches and box purchase, little pet vendors in game .. quest etc .. now replaced with you forking out more money to have the same stuff. Why add in what you would have for the players current cost when you could add it in some stupid little shop where people have to pay extra? They won't. With your ability to be suckered, maybe you deserve to be playing this type of game. You only hurt yourself. How did you enjoy playing the GAME to get those items for your character? That's right you didn't, you swiped your credit card. Congratulations on playing dress up with digital items from a digital store .. it's no longer a game.
Once again someone that doesn't understand its optional. Not to mention that they're vanity pets, not some last-tier epic quality weapon or piece of armor. If people are willing to pay a few bucks for the pet, why not? It's a one-time fee, done and done. But hey, if someone thinks it's a ripoff, they simply won't buy it? Optional is key. But attacking the entire system, calling people suckers for simply playing the game (whether or not they actually use the store)? That's stupid and shortsighted in itself. My guess: You don't like (read: hate) WoW and simply found something new to use in your crusade against it. I would like to close this response with saying I haven't played WoW in months. Don't even try using "fanboi" on this one (Just in case).  |
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I say let it happen as long as the RMT doesn't give players an advantage over other gamers for spending more money. If some dumbass wants to buy a gay ass penguin for 10 bones then let them. They won't be getting my money but let them rake in the money from all the dumbasses in the world willing to spend it.
"So I slathered the bat with wesson oil and cream cheese." Johnny Tug |
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I am not too keen on this move as well. Sure it's a move that in theory will make MMO companies more money, but what happened to the good ol days of supplying vanity items to already paying players through holiday events? What will happen to those? Hell I always made sure to log into my MMOs during any holiday to get a chance to complete the events and get cool vanity gear. With this you start out simple and you offer 2 vanity pets. Come holidays you offer some cute little holiday pet or something else, and gradually start phasing out holiday event "give a ways" all together. That's where all this could easily go. And not one of you can tell me, honestly, that you will not miss the free give a ways in place of cash shop items. Only those OBSESSED with getting all the new gear and items will fall for this from blizzard, which in the WoW universe is a lot of people. So WoW marketing ftw. Once again they will get away with yet another paid service. Wonder what is next....experience pots??? Yea, their coming. S.C.I.F.I |
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You all are poor liars. You have either quit WoW and are just trolling or quit for other reasons. Quitting over a vanity pet that does nothing useful (combat wise) is the dumbest thing I've ever heard and honestly I wouldn't want to play with your type anyway. Go ahead and leave the other 11 million or so will continue to enjoy the game. If you become obsessed with something you're chasing, there's a good chance you'll forget why you're chasing it. |
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I quit wow becuase i got bored , its dumb to put somthing like this out when this game needs content added more often. with 11 million players you'd think they be pushing 2-3 heroics out every patch scince that is the most played content in wow. and yes i know new patch brings 3 more heroics but why didnt the patch 6 mounths ago do that or when ever. |
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Originally posted by qombi
That's just it, they are selling your a product that use to be included in your game for the cost of your sub you are already paying and box purchase but it seems you can't wrap your brain around that. Now the shop is there do you think the same amount of vanity pets are going to be included in the game or patches? No they will not, they will be in the store. Think of it this way. You buy a ticket to a football game and you expect all the t-shirts, cups, and footballs they normally sell to automatically came free with the purchase of your ticket. Sound logical? no. You don't need all those extra items to enjoy the GAME either. If you become obsessed with something you're chasing, there's a good chance you'll forget why you're chasing it. |
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It would be a tad bit easier to take any of this righteous indignation seriously, if the people huffing and puffing didn't seem so down-right gleeful about the fact that they seem to think they finally have a legitimate bitch about Blizzard and WoW, instead of the normal garbage "WoW ruined the genre, I r hardcore, lol noobz" BS that seems to run rampant around here. They're wrong, of course, but nonetheless, they seem to be happy to be bitching. Katsma is Lithuanian for 'he who drinks used douche fluid'. |
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Originally posted by qombi
Sure if you are dense enough to not realize that you are paying for items that would have been in the game before with your sub fee and box purchase. All those fluff items before that you use to get with patches and box purchase, little pet vendors in game .. quest etc .. now replaced with you forking out more money to have the same stuff. Why add in what you would have for the players current cost when you could add it in some stupid little shop where people have to pay extra? They won't. With your ability to be suckered, maybe you deserve to be playing this type of game. You only hurt yourself. How did you enjoy playing the GAME to get those items for your character? That's right you didn't, you swiped your credit card. Congratulations on playing dress up with digital items from a digital store .. it's no longer a game.
Qombi, it's rare to see a response from you that doesn't include personal attacks, insults or that really worn out 'swipe your credit card' shtick. I'm more than willing to engage in debate with you, but you'll need to start being a bit more civil in order for that to happen. Not to mention the fact that getting this worked up over a virtual panda that actually doesn't do anything to begin with is a bit overboard.
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Originally posted by qombi "all your games" really ? you think you own anything when you buy a key code for a game ? only thing you buy is the right to give them money... so why get mad when they think of a new way for you to give them even more of your money ? i remember people being insulted over having to play a monthly fee for a game, paying for the box should give you the right to play ... right anyone else remember them days? the lessons of history... funny how we forget it so fast...
people look at a business and see a inanimate thing... it's just a tool of production, it's not alive... right ? oh but it is.. just like any life on earth it has to feed to grow and live another day.. and it's food is money. but it's a living thing with no soul or morals, it will destroy anything for it's next meal of cash !!! once you see how the world of business really works you might see the world in a hole new way... so get mad cause the game you love is changing in a ways you hate, get mad and see how far that will get you. when you see the rest of the people just don't care and they just keep feeding the machine you will not be mad anymore and might just try and fight the machine or you will just not care anymore move on to a new illusion...
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lol you people are crying over a cosmetic pet, that you pay money for, who cares, its not like they are holding a gun to your head and saying click the key yes and buy the pet. played: EQOA,EQ1, EQ2, SWG, DAOC, FFXI, GW, WoW, Eve, Vanguard, COH/COV, Pirates of Burning Sea, Pirates of the Carribean, Freerealms, AOC, Warhammer, UO, Secondlife (LMFAO), The Matrix Online. |
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Kyleran
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Joined: 9/13/06
"In EVE, no one gives a damn about a fair fight." - chafin |
Originally posted by zethcarn
That's just it, they are selling your a product that use to be included in your game for the cost of your sub you are already paying and box purchase but it seems you can't wrap your brain around that. Now the shop is there do you think the same amount of vanity pets are going to be included in the game or patches? No they will not, they will be in the store. Think of it this way. You buy a ticket to a football game and you expect all the t-shirts, cups, and footballs they normally sell to automatically came free with the purchase of your ticket. Sound logical? no. You don't need all those extra items to enjoy the GAME either.
Not a bad analogy, but remember, watching a football game isn't a competitive activity (OK, some folks seem to make it one) where as games are more like playing the actual football game but being told each side can buy extra gear like rocket launchers to help them win the game.
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