I stopped playing wow for good over a year ago now and will never go back every time i check in it gets worse and rmt is just another marker on its road to hell. These companies seem to think people really are stupid.

Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by mothelm

ahhh one of the lurkers speaks .....i have but one question to the RMT fans

 

Why do you want to bring money into your videogame world...?

 

I come to my favortie MMO to forget about money ,IRA's ,taxes ,and all the other nonsense that the "Real World" has in it .

Why do we have to infect our fantasy with reality ...i always thought the point of this was to live a second life so to speak where we got to be who we wanted and accomplish what we wanted..."By the Sweat of our Brow..and the Strength of our Backs"

Because there will always exist people with more money and sense and who wants to buy shortcuts.

Kinda like why people use cheats in single player game, they cant be bothered to actually play the game but rather want to skip to the end. Which begs the reason why they are playing the game in the first place.

Exactly and these are the people that will buy this garbage. I often wonder why they are playing video games in the first place if they would rather purchase stuff with real money. If I found a game that was so boring I felt purchasing my way through or items would be a better alternative, I am smart enough to know I am not having fun and it's time to find a game that I do want to actually play.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by mothelm

the point is there should not be a above and beyond....if WoW or any other subscrption based game wanted RMT they should go free to play offer thier game for free DLand open up a item mall and btw you can have all the useless accounts cluttering up your server and lag and utter nonsense that goes with a completely openmarket they want thier cake and eat it too so to speak too ...if you are subscrption based that means you press out content for the pepople who are paying...not grab them for money twice....

 

SHOULD????

Last time i check, it is still a free world. Blizzard has the freedom to price any way they want to. We have the freedom of not to buy anything from them.

It is quite simple. In fact, they have done it .. there is absolutely NOTHING you can do about it, if it becomes popular.

They *are* having their cake & eat it. What are you going to do? Sue them?

You are exactly right and that is why I chose to cancel and not buy the upcoming expac. What I can do is however let people know why I did and recommend they do the same if they dislike RMT. I suggest everyone who dislikes RMT not to go "oh well" and keep playing. Find games that do give you all of the game for your sub fee and give them your money. If enough do not like RMT then they will not succeed. If enough people accept RMT in their game (this is by either being pro-RMT or by continue just to play without purchasing the items) then it will spread to all MMOs. You have to decide if you want RMT in your games. If you are like me, I don't. The only thing that you can do to tell them you don't want this is to quit. Plain and simple. Complaining will not do anything as long as you still play. They will only look at the numbers.

Do what you wish. As a consumer I already told them no with my wallet.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by mothelm

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Originally posted by mothelm

the point is there should not be a above and beyond....if WoW or any other subscrption based game wanted RMT they should go free to play offer thier game for free DLand open up a item mall and btw you can have all the useless accounts cluttering up your server and lag and utter nonsense that goes with a completely openmarket they want thier cake and eat it too so to speak too ...if you are subscrption based that means you press out content for the pepople who are paying...not grab them for money twice....

 

Do you feel cable companies and phone service providers should do the same?

 

yes actuall i do i find thier approach just as bad one of the reason i dont have cable or sat.....

 

And there are enough people found that watever the phone/cable companies are doing are acceptable.

It is boils down to whether you are willing to live with no cable & no phone, in exchange for not paying whatever they are asking for. Since it works for the phone/cable companies, i would assume there aren't enough people like you.

and yet thoose people if you ask them for most part will complain about thier phone bill being too expensive...or hidden charges on thier cell phone bill ....but cable is a huge service compared to the much smaller world of MMO's ohh and btw i pay a flat rate for internet and phone and gues what it inculeds all the services and event the ability to call anywhere...for wait for it ...... one flat fee per month...ohh my how strange that i neglected the part where they over charge you like mad for ok service and then charge you more for the better stuff....sorta seems teh same i think anyway

...well i can see you just pounding in to try and tell me im wrong ...ok that fine perhaps i am and it will all be milk and cookies...but when you start to see the games being driven all to this model it really start to make me think this indusrty is loosing it integerity ...tell me why did WoW of all games have to do this? ...they cetainly cant be in finacial trouble ...11 million accounts was last yell number i heard yell whats {(11 million x 14.99)x12)x5) + (11 million x 39.99)} + expansion equel..and surely they didnt think this would be seen with universal love...as i have state before the 800lbs gorilla is in the room with his brother the elephant and both have huge grins on thier faces...wondering ohhh my what can we get away with next?

...im sorry if my concern over this trend offends you in some way....but as a gamer who has been around since PONG....i think this is not a good trend for us the gamer...its a slippery slope we are sliding down...its a matter of time till it get's bad...0-max level for 50$...or perhaps...here a pet healer only 25$....ohh wait please dont go i havent shown you the now mount only 12$...and did i mention that this raid cast 5$....is this the future of MMo's you really want?

Originally posted by hobo9766

I stopped playing wow for good over a year ago now and will never go back every time i check in it gets worse and rmt is just another marker on its road to hell. These companies seem to think people really are stupid.

Well one man's "worse" is another man's "better". WOW GREW since u left (the china debacle not withstanding).

ANd i found it getting better and better (much easier to PUG raid now than before, and will be even easier in 3.3) and  I already purchase those two cute pets.

Originally posted by qombi

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by mothelm

the point is there should not be a above and beyond....if WoW or any other subscrption based game wanted RMT they should go free to play offer thier game for free DLand open up a item mall and btw you can have all the useless accounts cluttering up your server and lag and utter nonsense that goes with a completely openmarket they want thier cake and eat it too so to speak too ...if you are subscrption based that means you press out content for the pepople who are paying...not grab them for money twice....

 

SHOULD????

Last time i check, it is still a free world. Blizzard has the freedom to price any way they want to. We have the freedom of not to buy anything from them.

It is quite simple. In fact, they have done it .. there is absolutely NOTHING you can do about it, if it becomes popular.

They *are* having their cake & eat it. What are you going to do? Sue them?

 

You are exactly right and that is why I chose to cancel and not buy the upcoming expac. What I can do is however let people know why I did and recommend they do the same if they dislike RMT. I suggest everyone who dislikes RMT not to go "oh well" and keep playing. Find games that do give you all of the game for your sub fee and give them your money. If enough do not like RMT then they will not succeed. If enough people accept RMT in their game (this is by either being pro-RMT or by continue just to play without purchasing the items) then it will spread to all MMOs. You have to decide if you want RMT in your games. If you are like me, I don't. The only thing that you can do to tell them you don't want this is to quit. Plain and simple. Complaining will not do anything as long as you still play. They will only look at the numbers.

Do what you wish. As a consumer I already told them no with my wallet.

And I have already purchased those two pets. As a consumer I already told them YES with my wallet. I wonder which side wins out.

I think this thread proves that to some players RMT is a big deal.

The fact that other players happily pay RMT doesn't change this.

Originally posted by mothelm

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by mothelm

Originally posted by LynxJSA

Originally posted by mothelm

the point is there should not be a above and beyond....if WoW or any other subscrption based game wanted RMT they should go free to play offer thier game for free DLand open up a item mall and btw you can have all the useless accounts cluttering up your server and lag and utter nonsense that goes with a completely openmarket they want thier cake and eat it too so to speak too ...if you are subscrption based that means you press out content for the pepople who are paying...not grab them for money twice....

 

Do you feel cable companies and phone service providers should do the same?

 

yes actuall i do i find thier approach just as bad one of the reason i dont have cable or sat.....

 

And there are enough people found that watever the phone/cable companies are doing are acceptable.

It is boils down to whether you are willing to live with no cable & no phone, in exchange for not paying whatever they are asking for. Since it works for the phone/cable companies, i would assume there aren't enough people like you.

 

and yet thoose people if you ask them for most part will complain about thier phone bill being too expensive...or hidden charges on thier cell phone bill ....but cable is a huge service compared to the much smaller world of MMO's ohh and btw i pay a flat rate for internet and phone and gues what it inculeds all the services and event the ability to call anywhere...for wait for it ...... one flat fee per month...ohh my how strange that i neglected the part where they over charge you like mad for ok service and then charge you more for the better stuff....sorta seems teh same i think anyway

...well i can see you just pounding in to try and tell me im wrong ...ok that fine perhaps i am and it will all be milk and cookies...but when you start to see the games being driven all to this model it really start to make me think this indusrty is loosing it integerity ...tell me why did WoW of all games have to do this? ...they cetainly cant be in finacial trouble ...11 million accounts was last yell number i heard yell whats {(11 million x 14.99)x12)x5) + (11 million x 39.99)} + expansion equel..and surely they didnt think this would be seen with universal love...as i have state before the 800lbs gorilla is in the room with his brother the elephant and both have huge grins on thier faces...wondering ohhh my what can we get away with next?

...im sorry if my concern over this trend offends you in some way....but as a gamer who has been around since PONG....i think this is not a good trend for us the gamer...its a slippery slope we are sliding down...its a matter of time till it get's bad...0-max level for 50$...or perhaps...here a pet healer only 25$....ohh wait please dont go i havent shown you the now mount only 12$...and did i mention that this raid cast 5$....is this the future of MMo's you really want?

 

 

Of course they complain. Everyone wants everything for free too. However, if they don't really cancel the service, it is not really TOO EXPENSIVE, is it? This is called revealed preference in economics. People will never tell you what they are truly willing to pay, they will always complains. But if they pay it, then it is not too expensive.

Oh, i am not offended. Just amused. I am really not too concerned. If i don't like it, i just get out of the market. It is not like there aren't a lack of entertainment options out there. And in fact, the trend is that MMOs are getting cheaper and cheaper. Look at DDO. That is a great model. I pay nothing .. and i can spend a little if i want another adventure pack.

I am all for RMT in the DDO case.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

I think this thread proves that to some players RMT is a big deal.

The fact that other players happily pay RMT doesn't change this.

Sure. And those "some players" probably won't be able to affect the trend. Most people wouldn't care less.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

I think this thread proves that to some players RMT is a big deal.

The fact that other players happily pay RMT doesn't change this.

 

Sure. And those "some players" probably won't be able to affect the trend. Most people wouldn't care less.

Most people play WoW.

To be honest, the only people who are actually complaining about this are people who see their oh-so-precious 'top spot' on the MMO leaderboards under threat. But in Blizzard's case these useless little pets are just pixels and rendered models, yet people are bitching that they don't like what Blizzard's doing. Not only is it 100% VOLUNTARY, some of it even goes to charity from Blizzard's own choice, and those who are using it as another excuse to whine are, as Jon put it, pretty damn desperate.

Get over it, just because someone is willing to spend $10 (which might I add could probably buy you a theatre ticket or a night out at a cheap restaurant) on a useless, virtual pet, doesn't mean it's your problem and you should suddenly be scared that Blizzard is 'sucking money' from players. They're not being forced to buy these pets, nor are they game breaking or even affecting the game's balance at ALL, so stop bitching and go back to your grinding for your oh-so-special virtual sparkling gear with added numbers.

Originally posted by VultureSkull

With the recent introduction of the pet store in WoW and other RMT schemes in other MMOs there seems to be an uproar amongst the community that i don't quite understand.

What is the problem with it?

This already exists in all(most) games with Gold sellers, the only difference is that is now controlled by the game producers?

Surely this is a good thing, at least your credit card will not get scammed and It would also go someway to eliminate the gold sellers no?

As such I cannot see why anyone would oppose, it unless of course it would impact your own gold selling buisness ;-)

 

RMT = official version of gamers going on EBay and buying high level characters and gear they didn't earn through superior gameplay.

So, if you do not have a problem with "EBay 80's" screwing up your raids, then you will not have an issue with RMT.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

I think this thread proves that to some players RMT is a big deal.

The fact that other players happily pay RMT doesn't change this.

 

Sure. And those "some players" probably won't be able to affect the trend. Most people wouldn't care less.

 

Most people play WoW.

So?? I have see no outcry in my guild, or anybody else i have bumped into. In fact, I have seen a bunch of people with the new pet (including me) .. so i guess most are cool with it.