Anyone know the address for the eq2 ingame store? After all this debate I have some fact checking to do.I've seen it said that they offer just about anything and everything, from weapons to fully lvl'd characters. IS this true? I ask this to anyone who plays, I have googled it twice haven't seen anything but illegal rmt links. Can you only access it from in-game?

i think you are looking for station exchange or something like that check EQ2player.com

Originally posted by whisperwynd

 

Then you truly lack th definition of hypocrisyfriend, but good luck in your future endeavors. I need not point your obvious flaw at reading comprehension about what I posted, but keep believing hat you will.  You're the artist here, spinning what you wish with words not contextually said.
 

And I still think you're a jealous whiner.

LOL... and yet again with the hypocrisy! 

You accuse me of name calling... which I never did, incidentally. And yet here you are doing exactly that... Yes... calling someone a "whiner", is, in fact, name calling. See? You're being hypocritical again.

Go ahead... get those dancin' shoes on again and try to deny it. 

And... yes... I do know the meaning of the word hypocrisy, thank you very much. Though... let me double-check... just to make sure its meaning hasn't changed...  Yep... still has the same meaning it always has, and I am using it properly.

I agree... I think this little "boxing match" of ours has long since outlived its fun.... Thanks for playing, though.

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by whisperwynd

 

Then you truly lack th definition of hypocrisyfriend, but good luck in your future endeavors. I need not point your obvious flaw at reading comprehension about what I posted, but keep believing hat you will.  You're the artist here, spinning what you wish with words not contextually said.
 

And I still think you're a jealous whiner.

LOL... and yet again with the hypocrisy! 

You accuse me of name calling... which I never did, incidentally. And yet here you are doing exactly that... Yes... calling someone a "whiner", is, in fact, name calling. See? You're being hypocritical again.

Go ahead... get those dancin' shoes on again and try to deny it. 

And... yes... I do know the meaning of the word hypocrisy, thank you very much. Though... let me double-check... just to make sure its meaning hasn't changed...  Yep... still has the same meaning it always has, and I am using it properly.

I agree... I think this little "boxing match" of ours has long since outlived its fun.... Thanks for playing, though.

 

Are this much hard-pressed to 'win' this debate? LOL

The fact you saw this as a game just means you had no intention to debate, just debase. Your 'insinuations' of my hypocrisy are what? The fact I said if items were sold in RMTs that gave a visible advantage to the skills of a toon were in fact a gripe but xp pots are not makes me that? LOL ok...people who say such are allowed and just because I see what they mean does not mean I have to agree with them.

I said I saw the argument but didn't agree, hence the 'crying' over it, and I still stand by that.

The name calling as you call is also simply an adjective describing your insistence at trying to provoke me with ridiculous attempts of baiting without showing where you see these hyprocritic sentences.

So, whatever else you see as anything but giving my opinion is simply slander on your part, and your little game will never get under my skin m8, you just aren't that good.

I'll take my consolation prize since I didn't best you in your mind... 

Originally posted by VultureSkull

With the recent introduction of the pet store in WoW and other RMT schemes in other MMOs there seems to be an uproar amongst the community that i don't quite understand.

What is the problem with it?

This already exists in all(most) games with Gold sellers, the only difference is that is now controlled by the game producers?

Surely this is a good thing, at least your credit card will not get scammed and It would also go someway to eliminate the gold sellers no?

As such I cannot see why anyone would oppose, it unless of course it would impact your own gold selling buisness ;-)

 

The problem is what is an RMT and what is not. Real Money Trading (or RMT) is the act of play real life money for virtual money. RMTs are your gold sellers and buyers. Their damage to the economy of a game is well documented and if you want to see why they are bad you can look for examples on your own and I'll warn you: there is a big deal there. The problem is the MMO community as a whole have no idea what they are talking about most of the time. Point in case here.

Saying Blizzard is an RMT because they are charging you for something is just plain ignorant. This is a group of people who want what the company is selling, but believe they are entitled because they play the game. This is totally wrong. I have not played WoW in a long while now, but from my understanding of this particular situation you are getting an in-game pet for a donation to a charity? Please correct if that is wrong. What is going on here you are getting a bound item that you cannot trade or profit off of for real-life money. This is an almost direct correlation to XBOX Live's avatar system or PlayStation Home's Market Place. You are purchasing virtual items with real life currency to make you avatar pretty. It is nothing more than that.

If you are looking at some game changing weapon you are purchasing for real money then you'd have a slight argument since it is a direct benefit to someone by having it and thus a hindrance to anyone who doesn't have it. Even then Blizzard would not be RMT they would be implementing a microtransation system and that item would probably be bound to you and unsellable (or sold at an extreme nominal price). Why? Because you could buy 100 of these items sell them or trade them for other goods that you could sell and get gold that you could sell for something you really want. That WOULD mirror what an RMT does and then you have the right to complain about it.

As it stands now Blizzard (or any company) has the right to charge you for what they want to charge you. If you are going to complain about the option of buying a virtual pet then then you could be complaining about almost requiring to buy Cataclysm when it comes out. Monthly fees, expansions, character transfers, race changing (are you charged for that?) ... things you need to pony up the dough for, but the outrage over a non-beneficial virtual pet it sickening. Where is the outrage about the mini-diabolos pet you got for purchasing the collectors edition of the original game. You paid an extra $10-$15 to get that that too. It is the same deal as these new virtual pets (I'll just assume you get at least a thank you letter out of game). Yeah, y'all forgot about that one didn'tcha?

If you don't feel you should be nickel and dimed for every piece of game gear, then don't buy it; I wouldn't personally. Look at my XBOX Live and PlayStation Home avatars, they have clothes that were defaulted. It isn't important to me so I won't get it. If you feel that Blizzard is sinning against you by charging you money don't pay them. If getting every little pet in this game is your thing then pony up the dough. If you are like me and honestly don't care: frankly stfu and stop spreading this vile bullshit because ignorance breeds ignorance and I'm tired of dealing with ignorance.

Originally posted by ic0n67

Originally posted by VultureSkull

With the recent introduction of the pet store in WoW and other RMT schemes in other MMOs there seems to be an uproar amongst the community that i don't quite understand.

What is the problem with it?

This already exists in all(most) games with Gold sellers, the only difference is that is now controlled by the game producers?

Surely this is a good thing, at least your credit card will not get scammed and It would also go someway to eliminate the gold sellers no?

As such I cannot see why anyone would oppose, it unless of course it would impact your own gold selling buisness ;-)

 

 

The problem is what is an RMT and what is not. Real Money Trading (or RMT) is the act of play real life money for virtual money. RMTs are your gold sellers and buyers. Their damage to the economy of a game is well documented and if you want to see why they are bad you can look for examples on your own and I'll warn you: there is a big deal there. The problem is the MMO community as a whole have no idea what they are talking about most of the time. Point in case here.

Saying Blizzard is an RMT because they are charging you for something is just plain ignorant. This is a group of people who want what the company is selling, but believe they are entitled because they play the game. This is totally wrong. I have not played WoW in a long while now, but from my understanding of this particular situation you are getting an in-game pet for a donation to a charity? Please correct if that is wrong. What is going on here you are getting a bound item that you cannot trade or profit off of for real-life money. This is an almost direct correlation to XBOX Live's avatar system or PlayStation Home's Market Place. You are purchasing virtual items with real life currency to make you avatar pretty. It is nothing more than that.

If you are looking at some game changing weapon you are purchasing for real money then you'd have a slight argument since it is a direct benefit to someone by having it and thus a hindrance to anyone who doesn't have it. Even then Blizzard would not be RMT they would be implementing a microtransation system and that item would probably be bound to you and unsellable (or sold at an extreme nominal price). Why? Because you could buy 100 of these items sell them or trade them for other goods that you could sell and get gold that you could sell for something you really want. That WOULD mirror what an RMT does and then you have the right to complain about it.

As it stands now Blizzard (or any company) has the right to charge you for what they want to charge you. If you are going to complain about the option of buying a virtual pet then then you could be complaining about almost requiring to buy Cataclysm when it comes out. Monthly fees, expansions, character transfers, race changing (are you charged for that?) ... things you need to pony up the dough for, but the outrage over a non-beneficial virtual pet it sickening. Where is the outrage about the mini-diabolos pet you got for purchasing the collectors edition of the original game. You paid an extra $10-$15 to get that that too. It is the same deal as these new virtual pets (I'll just assume you get at least a thank you letter out of game). Yeah, y'all forgot about that one didn'tcha?

If you don't feel you should be nickel and dimed for every piece of game gear, then don't buy it; I wouldn't personally. Look at my XBOX Live and PlayStation Home avatars, they have clothes that were defaulted. It isn't important to me so I won't get it. If you feel that Blizzard is sinning against you by charging you money don't pay them. If getting every little pet in this game is your thing then pony up the dough. If you are like me and honestly don't care: frankly stfu and stop spreading this vile bullshit because ignorance breeds ignorance and I'm tired of dealing with ignorance.

Dear sir...
 

it has come to my attention that you belevie the fact that i have already paid a monthly fee doesnt seem to matter...ok then i please refer to my previous post about playboy ,you will find them above and on previous pages, after you have it  and the replies ...please answer this question...Is that the playboy you paid for

thank you

mothelm

Dear sir,

I bought cable.  Why can I not access HBO or the Playboy Channel.  Why should I have to pay extra to get extra perks?  Thank you for your time please give me access to everything for the basic monthly fee.  Thanks.

Horusra

Originally posted by Horusra

Dear sir,

I bought cable.  Why can I not access HBO or the Playboy Channel.  Why should I have to pay extra to get extra perks?  Thank you for your time please give me access to everything for the basic monthly fee.  Thanks.

 

Horusra

ahh but doeas the playboy channel or HBO charge you by the movie ...or even beeter what happens when its forth quater 14 to 14 and espn hits a blues screen that say "press enter to add 5$ to your bill to see last quater"?

 ohh and you didnt answer the question

Is it teh palyboy you ordered or not ?

Originally posted by mothelm

Dear sir...
 

it has come to my attention that you belevie the fact that i have already paid a monthly fee doesnt seem to matter...ok then i please refer to my previous post about playboy ,you will find them above and on previous pages, after you have it  and the replies ...please answer this question...Is that the playboy you paid for

 

thank you

mothelm

Actually, I did answer your question...

It isn't the playboy you paid for because it they are taking something out of it which you already had access to. Nothing is taken out of existing P2P mmo's, just adding new stuff.

 Actually seeing where this is going, I'm going to spot right now, as I see an attempt at futility.

Originally posted by mothelm

Originally posted by Horusra

Dear sir,

I bought cable.  Why can I not access HBO or the Playboy Channel.  Why should I have to pay extra to get extra perks?  Thank you for your time please give me access to everything for the basic monthly fee.  Thanks.

 

Horusra

 

ahh but doeas the playboy channel or HBO charge you by the movie ...or even beeter what happens when its forth quater 14 to 14 and espn hits a blues screen that say "press enter to add 5$ to your bill to see last quater"?

 ohh and you didnt answer the question

Is it teh palyboy you ordered or not ?

 

Fine to fill your idea...I want all pay-per-view for free because I pay a cable access fee.

Originally posted by whisperwynd

Originally posted by mothelm

Dear sir...
 

it has come to my attention that you belevie the fact that i have already paid a monthly fee doesnt seem to matter...ok then i please refer to my previous post about playboy ,you will find them above and on previous pages, after you have it  and the replies ...please answer this question...Is that the playboy you paid for

 

thank you

mothelm

 

Actually, I did answer your question...

It isn't the playboy you paid for because it they are taking something out of it which you already had access to. Nothing is taken out of existing P2P mmo's, just adding new stuff.

 

would you like me to change the anology again to make it more clear ...ok let try again

your playboy arrives and by some magicial means the picture are there but all the girls are in bikini's...the articles are still in place and fully written ...even the editorial is there...but its not quite complwete is it...something is missing ...as you leaf threw a perferated card falls out saying that in order to get teh full picture of NAKED wemon you must add 1 dollor to your subscrption price for every picture...other you now have basic service which only inculdes the articles and the biknin picture...

better ?

Originally posted by Horusra

Originally posted by mothelm

Originally posted by Horusra

Dear sir,

I bought cable.  Why can I not access HBO or the Playboy Channel.  Why should I have to pay extra to get extra perks?  Thank you for your time please give me access to everything for the basic monthly fee.  Thanks.

 

Horusra

 

ahh but doeas the playboy channel or HBO charge you by the movie ...or even beeter what happens when its forth quater 14 to 14 and espn hits a blues screen that say "press enter to add 5$ to your bill to see last quater"?

 ohh and you didnt answer the question

Is it teh palyboy you ordered or not ?

 

 

Fine to fill your idea...I want all pay-per-view for free because I pay a cable access fee.

except for the fact that pay-per-view has always been that way and espn has not

try again please im having fun

Originally posted by mothelm

Originally posted by whisperwynd

Originally posted by mothelm

Dear sir...
 

it has come to my attention that you belevie the fact that i have already paid a monthly fee doesnt seem to matter...ok then i please refer to my previous post about playboy ,you will find them above and on previous pages, after you have it  and the replies ...please answer this question...Is that the playboy you paid for

 

thank you

mothelm

 

Actually, I did answer your question...

It isn't the playboy you paid for because it they are taking something out of it which you already had access to. Nothing is taken out of existing P2P mmo's, just adding new stuff.

 

would you like me to change the anology again to make it more clear ...ok let try again

your playboy arrives and by some magicial means the picture are there but all the girls are in bikini's...the articles are still in place and fully written ...even the editorial is there...but its not quite complwete is it...something is missing ...as you leaf threw a perferated card falls out saying that in order to get teh full picture of NAKED wemon you must add 1 dollor to your subscrption price for every picture...other you now have basic service which only inculdes the articles and the biknin picture...

better ?

lol No, again with the analogies. You state that the pics have changed since you first subscribed 2 yrs ago. I agree it isn't the same playboy, but again you have no ground to compare that to RMT's as you changed the original subcription in your premise, which mmo has changed its initial content, items etc to substantiate the comparison?

you can play all you want...your "example" is a poorly designed.  You have already failed when you failed to show how anything was REMOVED from the game and then you were charged for it.  Till then you can spin your wheels all you want but you will be ignored till you show this point.  Your playboy example is pointless, useless, and frankly moronic.  Thanks for playing.

Originally posted by whisperwynd

Originally posted by mothelm

Originally posted by whisperwynd

Originally posted by mothelm

Dear sir...
 

it has come to my attention that you belevie the fact that i have already paid a monthly fee doesnt seem to matter...ok then i please refer to my previous post about playboy ,you will find them above and on previous pages, after you have it  and the replies ...please answer this question...Is that the playboy you paid for

 

thank you

mothelm

 

Actually, I did answer your question...

It isn't the playboy you paid for because it they are taking something out of it which you already had access to. Nothing is taken out of existing P2P mmo's, just adding new stuff.

 

would you like me to change the anology again to make it more clear ...ok let try again

your playboy arrives and by some magicial means the picture are there but all the girls are in bikini's...the articles are still in place and fully written ...even the editorial is there...but its not quite complwete is it...something is missing ...as you leaf threw a perferated card falls out saying that in order to get teh full picture of NAKED wemon you must add 1 dollor to your subscrption price for every picture...other you now have basic service which only inculdes the articles and the biknin picture...

better ?

 

lol No, again with the analogies. You state that the pics have changed since you first subscribed 2 yrs ago. I agree it isn't the same playboy, but again you have no ground to compare that to RMT's as you changed the original subcription in your premise, which mmo has changed its initial content, items etc to substantiate the comparison?

any that have added a cash shop of any type to thier game that is already a subscrption model has change game play for the entire game ...yes even if its just fluff ...tell why couldnt they add a quest to game for that fluff insted of charging a already paying customer more for what amounts to a small time investment for them either way ?

 Do I get anything for participating?

No more feeding the troll

Originally posted by Horusra

you can play all you want...your "example" is a poorly designed.  You have already failed when you failed to show how anything was REMOVED from the game and then you were charged for it.  Till then you can spin your wheels all you want but you will be ignored till you show this point.  Your playboy example is pointless, useless, and frankly moronic.  Thanks for playing.

agian with the mean jees....ok here whjat they have removed if yu really want me to spell it out....the ability to get the content without shellin out more money ontop of my subscrption ...ok you dont like the playboy one fine go back to the espn one then its perhap more relevant anyway as you stated ...so do you think its right for espn to do that since it ammount to same thing ?

Originally posted by Horusra

No more feeding the troll

 

umm just on comparing post counts i wonder who is the troll ?...hehehe

Originally posted by mothelm

 

any that have added a cash shop of any type to thier game that is already a subscrption model has change game play for the entire game ...yes even if its just fluff ...tell why couldnt they add a quest to game for that fluff insted of charging a already paying customer more for what amounts to a small time investment for them either way ?

 

This I have to completely disagree with. I can still play WoW, or EQ2 or any game with RMTs and not see a difference at all in my gameplay. I really don't know where you get this. Nothing in the world has changed, i don't see posters or billboards or wagons driving by with cardboards signs selling marketing these items.

I can't even tell when another player is using an xp pot, so really, it's only in your head. That alone makes it change for you...you can't use a blanket statement and say it's game altering, only your experience of it because you can't ignore it.