http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BlMqAUij9Q

Looks like it could be quite enjoyable

What i see is spam fest. 1 on 1 dont seem to involve lot of strategies and it take too long to kill a single player. There is nothing special. I really dont like the dodge system and pvping in AOC seem to be more enjoyable then pvping in tera.

What AOC did better then tera pvp, in aoc, if you pvp, the only stuff that are affective to your enemy are combo's. To do combo's, your enemy have to stand still because if he want, he can dodge the final blow. So stun and combo, knock down and combo are good strategies to use. But also, you have to be a killed player to be able to give a combo final blow or dodge it.

Tera, they just go near each other, spam. Randomly, (Ho, i think i will dodge that next strike, but i dont know why since i will get hit by the next one.) The knock down system seem to be annoying. I mean, the dude with 2 hand knocked down the girl thousand of times in a random way with random swims.

The mage that the girl was fighting alone, the mage was a  noob so it should had been take 1 sec to kill him, but instead, it took again way too much time to kill him.

If tera end product is not near was this type of pvp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxTvXspN19M I wont even touch the trial.

Aoc is a bad game in term of too much instance, but a got a good pvp system where it promote more skilled players and strategies. If Aoc was more open world, i would had keep playing it.

Personally, i was quite let down by the pvp video. I agree on some points by the above poster. Though i kinda liked the dodge system. As you could see the girl pretty much owned that "2hands warrior" a few times with the dodge/jumpbehind tools.

Though i wont say much more than im passively skeptically interested, so i will wait for a personal experience before making up my mind.

Originally posted by Lorgarn

Personally, i was quite let down by the pvp video. I agree on some points by the above poster. Though i kinda liked the dodge system. As you could see the girl pretty much owned that "2hands warrior" a few times with the dodge/jumpbehind tools.

Though i wont say much more than im passively skeptically interested, so i will wait for a personal experience before making up my mind.

Always have to keep in mind, too, what the capability of the players are in the video. How well do they know the game? How tactful are they being? Are they using everything in their arsenal... and then are they using them well?

And so on. I see many videos of L2 PvP and it looks "meh" to me, because the people fighting were simply not playing their respective characters very well. However, having been in many an encounter personally, I know that the PvP can be very intense and quite fun.

Same goes for normal gameplay. I'll see videos supposedly showing off the gameplay and it's little more than the person running around and attacking a few random mobs. There's likely a lot more to the game than that... you're just not getting a good representation of it.

So... at least for me... that's how I temper any video I see showing normal gameplay or PvP... was the person recording it really demonstrating it for all that it is.

In youtube there's a comment by the author of the movie saying that the guy with big sword was higher level then his dual wielding chick . Seeing the damage done and recieved should hint something the dual blade chick was dealing on 10-20 the 2hander was dealing on 60-80.

If you seen the battle of her and the mage he died pretty fast so I think the warrior or whatever it is was higher level and was camping there.

Originally posted by bloodaxes

In youtube there's a comment by the author of the movie saying that the guy with big sword was higher level then his dual wielding chick . Seeing the damage done and recieved should hint something the dual blade chick was dealing on 10-20 the 2hander was dealing on 60-80.

If you seen the battle of her and the mage he died pretty fast so I think the warrior or whatever it is was higher level and was camping there.

That sounds about right, though to me it looked like the dual wield chick was far more skilled at pvping than the other two guys.

Originally posted by Lorgarn

Originally posted by bloodaxes

In youtube there's a comment by the author of the movie saying that the guy with big sword was higher level then his dual wielding chick . Seeing the damage done and recieved should hint something the dual blade chick was dealing on 10-20 the 2hander was dealing on 60-80.

If you seen the battle of her and the mage he died pretty fast so I think the warrior or whatever it is was higher level and was camping there.

That sounds about right, though to me it looked like the dual wield chick was far more skilled at pvping than the other two guys.

Agree with you the chick would have stomped him if they were equal levels, the big guy was almost all the time stopping after attacking which made him vulnerable to her attacks although that huge 2 handed sword kicks ass xD

What I saw was people that really did not know what they were doing but with time and practice the PVP in Tera will be unmatched. You have to remember that the combat is in real time. This is not your typical MMO where you auto lock on your target and just spam till somebody runs out of health and falls (Age Of Conan). In Tera you will have to know how to move around and earn strikes with Real Time Targeting and Timing. I do agree that the knock downs seemed to happen to much though.

Originally posted by Mannish

What I saw was people that really did not know what they were doing but with time and practice the PVP in Tera will be unmatched. You have to remember that the combat is in real time. This is not your typical MMO where you auto lock on your target and just spam till somebody runs out of health and falls (Age Of Conan). In Tera you will have to know how to move around and earn strikes with Real Time Targeting and Timing. I do agree that the knock downs seemed to happen to much though.

AOC is a target base game, but you still need to move and attacks are more realtime then you think. I bet you didnt play it. You really have to move and dodge and you have to do your best to do some combo's to other players. IF you are not a skilled player, you will never be able to finish blow with a combo on an other player and thats what you need to do to own. There are also combo's that you have to memorise to use at the right time because some finish blows are too slow, but strong, too fast, but weak and some got some special effect so you really have to use your head in aoc pvp.

The girl knew what she was doing, she wanted to make a pvp video so she was doing her best to kill. The dude with 2 hand sword just wanted to protect himself. So both have a reason to fight. I do believe that the only reason why the girl was still alive was because she was higher lvl. I mean, how many strike did she took at the beggining of the fight? The user with 2 hands almost never missed, but still the girl still alive with around half HP for the whole time. She could also heal herself with some pots and the hp regen was too fast. IT seem like she was unkillable for some reason.

About your typical mmo comment, we know that its not a target base game, but its not the problem. IT still a fucking spamfest till somebody runs our of health because this is exacly what we saw with bunch of random annoying knock down. About the timing, the guy with the 2 hand sword didnt really need a timing, he only needed to swim mindlessly just for the sake of swimming like Guts from berserk and he almost never missed and when the girl tried to dodge, it was useless because the 2 hand sword is so big that he can almost do a global swim to still hit her anyway. (in other words, each of his swim was like some whirlwind strikes.)

Nothing to write home about as far as I can see. Looks like next years Aion. 

MMO Developers, can we please get something new, innovative, next generation, revolutionary, whatever you want to call it.  We need somthing that will make everyone else drop what they're playing and rush to play that game, and play the hell out of it for years.  BS copy and paste games like this are not the answer, they're the same ole product in a new package with a different title.

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

What i see is spam fest. 1 on 1 dont seem to involve lot of strategies and it take too long to kill a single player. There is nothing special. I really dont like the dodge system and pvping in AOC seem to be more enjoyable then pvping in tera.

What AOC did better then tera pvp, in aoc, if you pvp, the only stuff that are affective to your enemy are combo's. To do combo's, your enemy have to stand still because if he want, he can dodge the final blow. So stun and combo, knock down and combo are good strategies to use. But also, you have to be a killed player to be able to give a combo final blow or dodge it.

Tera, they just go near each other, spam. Randomly, (Ho, i think i will dodge that next strike, but i dont know why since i will get hit by the next one.) The knock down system seem to be annoying. I mean, the dude with 2 hand knocked down the girl thousand of times in a random way with random swims.

The mage that the girl was fighting alone, the mage was a  noob so it should had been take 1 sec to kill him, but instead, it took again way too much time to kill him.

If tera end product is not near was this type of pvp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxTvXspN19M I wont even touch the trial.

Aoc is a bad game in term of too much instance, but a got a good pvp system where it promote more skilled players and strategies. If Aoc was more open world, i would had keep playing it.

LOL are you even a PVP type player?Everything you said you don't like is EXACTLY what makes PVP skillful and fun.

1 on 1 is the premier skill for PVP,what do you want 3 on1?how is that better or satisfying?You should step back and look at real life situations and you will realize anything other than 1 on 1 is not good at all.

Dodging is what made Unrealtournament arguably the best pvp game ever made,i still play it to this day.

Longer fights are also much more exciting because it allows time for action and reaction,if you just want instant kill that is not PVP anymore,you might as well go play hide and seek sniper in a war game.PVP should be like MMA fighting,many different skills used and  you always have a chance to react to what is being used on you,or to totally avoid it as in case of Lyoto Machida type fighting lol. [Dodge].

You talk about 1 second killing a mage,i think what you want is Korean type arcade game play,that is the type of game play i hate,it is all about hyper spamming killing 50 mobs in 50 seconds,it is not only ridiculous but very unrealistic.That type of game play evolved to cater to the arcade machines,put in your 50 cent and get as much action in that 2 mintues as possible,it has nothing to do with RPG elements of gaming nor PVP for that matter.This is what most Korean games have been doing is arcade type game play,more suite to very young kids that are all hyper,this is why i give TERA credit,they are trying to change that one dimensional type of combat they have been doing game after game.

 Watched both videos. Loved the real time Tera combat. The AoC video made me want to puke and its exactly why i dont play it. I saw a huge imbalance in whatever class one of them were. Also saw alot of root and nuke going on. Who the fauck wants to be rooted, ever? Poor melee guy chasing the caster and losing. Lol, sorry i pass.  I love the knockdowns. Gives it a fresh element. Spamming attacks? Seriously, is that a joke? What game doesn't "spam attacks until the opponent is dead? Long fights are interesting and gives you a chance to outsmart your opponent and come from behind if you're losing. Since when can anyone, in any game, can take on two players and not die instantly? This game will be great.

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by Mannish

What I saw was people that really did not know what they were doing but with time and practice the PVP in Tera will be unmatched. You have to remember that the combat is in real time. This is not your typical MMO where you auto lock on your target and just spam till somebody runs out of health and falls (Age Of Conan). In Tera you will have to know how to move around and earn strikes with Real Time Targeting and Timing. I do agree that the knock downs seemed to happen to much though.

 

AOC is a target base game, but you still need to move and attacks are more realtime then you think. I bet you didnt play it. You really have to move and dodge and you have to do your best to do some combo's to other players. IF you are not a skilled player, you will never be able to finish blow with a combo on an other player and thats what you need to do to own. There are also combo's that you have to memorise to use at the right time because some finish blows are too slow, but strong, too fast, but weak and some got some special effect so you really have to use your head in aoc pvp.

The girl knew what she was doing, she wanted to make a pvp video so she was doing her best to kill. The dude with 2 hand sword just wanted to protect himself. So both have a reason to fight. I do believe that the only reason why the girl was still alive was because she was higher lvl. I mean, how many strike did she took at the beggining of the fight? The user with 2 hands almost never missed, but still the girl still alive with around half HP for the whole time. She could also heal herself with some pots and the hp regen was too fast. IT seem like she was unkillable for some reason.

About your typical mmo comment, we know that its not a target base game, but its not the problem. IT still a fucking spamfest till somebody runs our of health because this is exacly what we saw with bunch of random annoying knock down. About the timing, the guy with the 2 hand sword didnt really need a timing, he only needed to swim mindlessly just for the sake of swimming like Guts from berserk and he almost never missed and when the girl tried to dodge, it was useless because the 2 hand sword is so big that he can almost do a global swim to still hit her anyway. (in other words, each of his swim was like some whirlwind strikes.)

Who here has not played AOC? I got burned by the game when it first came out just like the majority of people on this site. Played a Bear Shaman for a about 2 weeks before I got engulfed in boredom. Everything about Age Of Conan sucks. The PVP is the worst of any PVP game out right now. That is why nobody plays the game. If you like  AOC then go and play it. The people here are looking for something different and thats what I saw. I agreed that the Knockdowns seemed to happen to much but overall I like what I saw. I was not looking at the video trying to see who would win. I was looking looking at the battle system it self. Simply put if you dont like the game then leave. Nobody will miss you here trust me. Age Of Conan, are you serious? LMAO

Originally posted by Mannish

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by Mannish

What I saw was people that really did not know what they were doing but with time and practice the PVP in Tera will be unmatched. You have to remember that the combat is in real time. This is not your typical MMO where you auto lock on your target and just spam till somebody runs out of health and falls (Age Of Conan). In Tera you will have to know how to move around and earn strikes with Real Time Targeting and Timing. I do agree that the knock downs seemed to happen to much though.

 

AOC is a target base game, but you still need to move and attacks are more realtime then you think. I bet you didnt play it. You really have to move and dodge and you have to do your best to do some combo's to other players. IF you are not a skilled player, you will never be able to finish blow with a combo on an other player and thats what you need to do to own. There are also combo's that you have to memorise to use at the right time because some finish blows are too slow, but strong, too fast, but weak and some got some special effect so you really have to use your head in aoc pvp.

The girl knew what she was doing, she wanted to make a pvp video so she was doing her best to kill. The dude with 2 hand sword just wanted to protect himself. So both have a reason to fight. I do believe that the only reason why the girl was still alive was because she was higher lvl. I mean, how many strike did she took at the beggining of the fight? The user with 2 hands almost never missed, but still the girl still alive with around half HP for the whole time. She could also heal herself with some pots and the hp regen was too fast. IT seem like she was unkillable for some reason.

About your typical mmo comment, we know that its not a target base game, but its not the problem. IT still a fucking spamfest till somebody runs our of health because this is exacly what we saw with bunch of random annoying knock down. About the timing, the guy with the 2 hand sword didnt really need a timing, he only needed to swim mindlessly just for the sake of swimming like Guts from berserk and he almost never missed and when the girl tried to dodge, it was useless because the 2 hand sword is so big that he can almost do a global swim to still hit her anyway. (in other words, each of his swim was like some whirlwind strikes.)

 

Who here has not played AOC? I got burned by the game when it first came out just like the majority of people on this site. Played a Bear Shaman for a about 2 weeks before I got engulfed in boredom. Everything about Age Of Conan sucks. The PVP is the worst of any PVP game out right now. That is why nobody plays the game. If you like  AOC then go and play it. The people here are looking for something different and thats what I saw. I agreed that the Knockdowns seemed to happen to much but overall I like what I saw. I was not looking at the video trying to see who would win. I was looking looking at the battle system it self. Simply put if you dont like the game then leave. Nobody will miss you here trust me. Age Of Conan, are you serious? LMAO

I didnt said that AOC was good, i know its an epic failed. Im just saying that compared to tera online pvp, currently, aoc is a lot better. I never said that i liked aoc, i was just talking about the pvp because myself, i left that game teal i got to lvl 40 because i was tired of the invisible wall and load of instance. PVP was good because if you do a one on one for example, it kind of play like a fighting game. If you dont get that feeling, i understand why you ddint like pvp. When i say that i liked the pvp, i dont talk about BG's or arena. I talk about how you fight and all because my self, i prefer risk vs reward and open world pvp and thats why i will buy darkfall soon. So AOC was way too far to be my type of pvp game anyway.

If you like tera online gameplay, i bet you are the kind of player who like monster hunter. Me, i tried monster hunter on the psp and after 3 days atleast, i didnt want to go back. I know that game is really popular and i dont know why its suppose to be that good, but i bet the tera player base will be some bunch of monster hunter fans. If you never played monster hunter, get it yourself on the psp or if you dont have one, get it on the wii. Play for a while, if you like it, you will certainly like Tera online. If you dont like it,  you will get sick of the tera online gameplay quicker. The origins of the tera online gameplay come from the old game from the dream cast name Fantazy star online BTW.

If you ask me to get out because you dont like to debate or argue, you are the one who should get off forums because you had to expect those kind of stuff or just dont feed me if you know what i mean.

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by Mannish

Originally posted by Realbigdeal

Originally posted by Mannish

What I saw was people that really did not know what they were doing but with time and practice the PVP in Tera will be unmatched. You have to remember that the combat is in real time. This is not your typical MMO where you auto lock on your target and just spam till somebody runs out of health and falls (Age Of Conan). In Tera you will have to know how to move around and earn strikes with Real Time Targeting and Timing. I do agree that the knock downs seemed to happen to much though.

 

AOC is a target base game, but you still need to move and attacks are more realtime then you think. I bet you didnt play it. You really have to move and dodge and you have to do your best to do some combo's to other players. IF you are not a skilled player, you will never be able to finish blow with a combo on an other player and thats what you need to do to own. There are also combo's that you have to memorise to use at the right time because some finish blows are too slow, but strong, too fast, but weak and some got some special effect so you really have to use your head in aoc pvp.

The girl knew what she was doing, she wanted to make a pvp video so she was doing her best to kill. The dude with 2 hand sword just wanted to protect himself. So both have a reason to fight. I do believe that the only reason why the girl was still alive was because she was higher lvl. I mean, how many strike did she took at the beggining of the fight? The user with 2 hands almost never missed, but still the girl still alive with around half HP for the whole time. She could also heal herself with some pots and the hp regen was too fast. IT seem like she was unkillable for some reason.

About your typical mmo comment, we know that its not a target base game, but its not the problem. IT still a fucking spamfest till somebody runs our of health because this is exacly what we saw with bunch of random annoying knock down. About the timing, the guy with the 2 hand sword didnt really need a timing, he only needed to swim mindlessly just for the sake of swimming like Guts from berserk and he almost never missed and when the girl tried to dodge, it was useless because the 2 hand sword is so big that he can almost do a global swim to still hit her anyway. (in other words, each of his swim was like some whirlwind strikes.)

 

Who here has not played AOC? I got burned by the game when it first came out just like the majority of people on this site. Played a Bear Shaman for a about 2 weeks before I got engulfed in boredom. Everything about Age Of Conan sucks. The PVP is the worst of any PVP game out right now. That is why nobody plays the game. If you like  AOC then go and play it. The people here are looking for something different and thats what I saw. I agreed that the Knockdowns seemed to happen to much but overall I like what I saw. I was not looking at the video trying to see who would win. I was looking looking at the battle system it self. Simply put if you dont like the game then leave. Nobody will miss you here trust me. Age Of Conan, are you serious? LMAO

I didnt said that AOC was good, i know its an epic failed. Im just saying that compared to tera online pvp, currently, aoc is a lot better. I never said that i liked aoc, i was just talking about the pvp because myself, i left that game teal i got to lvl 40 because i was tired of the invisible wall and load of instance. PVP was good because if you do a one on one for example, it kind of play like a fighting game. If you dont get that feeling, i understand why you ddint like pvp. When i say that i liked the pvp, i dont talk about BG's or arena. I talk about how you fight and all because my self, i prefer risk vs reward and open world pvp and thats why i will buy darkfall soon. So AOC was way too far to be my type of pvp game anyway.

If you like tera online gameplay, i bet you are the kind of player who like monster hunter. Me, i tried monster hunter on the psp and after 3 days atleast, i didnt want to go back. I know that game is really popular and i dont know why its suppose to be that good, but i bet the tera player base will be some bunch of monster hunter fans. If you never played monster hunter, get it yourself on the psp or if you dont have one, get it on the wii. Play for a while, if you like it, you will certainly like Tera online. If you dont like it,  you will get sick of the tera online gameplay quicker. The origins of the tera online gameplay come from the old game from the dream cast name Fantazy star online BTW.

If you ask me to get out because you dont like to debate or argue, you are the one who should get off forums because you had to expect those kind of stuff or just dont feed me if you know what i mean.

You forget to add this is only your opinion or speculation we have no idea what sort of ingame activities there are going to be, pulling stuff out of your arse just doesnt cut it,  saying "hey guys if you like to play tetris for 40hours straight then you will enjoy tera" its as valid statment, we dont know what are the underlying mechanics of this game, we dont know what are the CBT restrictions atm and what exactly they are testing.

And no we dont have to get a Wii or a PSP to try some shitty game, just wait until TERA is out or more information is released and then decide for yourself if you like it, atm we know its a different combat with nice gfx and its made by the guys that made L2 other than that we dont know ANYTHING else.

 lol why are they even coming out with this game honestly?

it looks exactly like Aion and Lineage 2. But I actually really liked lineage 2, it was my first mmo. Aion on the other hand i hated.. so go figure. 

one thing i know for sure about korean mmo's is they always make their pvp so carebear. I haven't looked much into this game, maybe its different from the rest of the korean mmo's. But from what i could tell from that video looks like its the cookie cutter korean game. 

Only thing good about AOC was the PVP .IMO  Best PVP Goes to AOC not a fanboy quit sometime back due to low pop.Only problem with AOC was end game content and class balance.After awhile people hit endgame fully geard with nothing much to do..

Tera looks good on Video..I Just hope its not another AION.

All I want from TERA is open world PVP.

Video was posted in November of 2009? I'm not really into Tera but at least post newer videos. I'm assuming a lot has changed over the course of a year.

Very very old video, that's level 20 pvp so it will look very basic. There will be a combo system in Tera and pvp is speeded up quite a bit.

Haha, AoC good for PvP . . 

I'm sure soon we gonna get people saying Guitar Hero is pro PvP.

I was interested in this game, and I've seen this video before a while ago. Seems like another one of those asian games where you can just run away from people. That was my number 1 beef with Aion and the reason I never tried the game again. 

it's just "pussy" fighting for lack of a better phrase. I'm hoping some of the actual pvp oriented events look a lot more interesting. 

While I was watching the video my eyes kept wandering to the actual "world" and how barren, plain, flat, bland and lifeless it looked. This of course was because the combat I saw shared many of the same qualities...

Originally posted by Ramonski7

While I was watching the video my eyes kept wandering to the actual "world" and how barren, plain, flat, bland and lifeless it looked. This of course was because the combat I saw shared many of the same qualities...

I knew this old footage would come up. I hate to say this since it's an overused "phrase/statement", but in this case it's really true. I'd advice you to avoid footage from CBT3 and earlier - I blame the beta.

I have been following this game since mid 2009, and I'm totally honest when I'm saying that they have changed tons and tons in their latest client shown at G*Star just a week ago. They have changed the pace of combat by a large margin, added and changed tons of skills. It's a whole different game. The clip you just watched doesn't represent the game we have today.

CBT2 was over a year ago.(early/mid November 2009) The entire staff of BHS, close to 200 people with most of them being developers. I can guarantuee you that the footage from, CBT3 even, is as old as it gets. I'm quite certain that it doesn't represent anything of the game we have today. At least, as far as the combat, UI and gameplay goes - We have another game today.

Again, it's an overused "phrase/statement" to blame on the beta. I rarely do that, but in this case it's more than true. I don't know about PvP though, might be dull or awesome for all we know. However, the OBT is just around the corner, we are bound to see some PvP/Duel footage from that.

That looks a lot more fun than pressing 1234567 ctrl1+2+3+4+6  imo =:)

A new game I might be interested in.