As of now, 12 people have been killed at Fort Hood.

This is a terrible tragedy for the United States and I pray for the Families of the Dead and Wounded and the Soldiers themselves. I would ask you do the same.

My Best Friend is stationed there and I am absolutly sick to my stomach. I hope this doesn't get any worst.... 

    I believe it was 7 dead, 12 wounded at this point. Sounds a bit like a very angry set of soliders getting even with people or just going nuts. Although.. who knows these days.

12 killed, 31 wounded. 1st shooter killed, may have been a second shooter, 2 suspects apprehended. Shooter was a US soldier.

hm..i wonder why they did it

also article:

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

 Oh lord... that got worse much faster then I was expecting. Sigh, indeed, Id like to know the motives behind this situation. Thats a lot of people to attack at one time. Albeit military groups do tend to cluster...

A U.S. soldier opened fire Thursday at Fort Hood, Texas, killing at least 11 people and wounding 31 others, military officials said. The gunman was shot to death, and two others were in custody.

Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone, commanding general of the Army’s III Corps, who confirmed the shootings, said the gunman used two handguns. NBC News’ Pete Williams reported that a U.S. official identified the gunman as Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan, who was 39 or 40.

A senior Obama administration official told NBC News that the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.  <<<   From MSNBC News

Originally posted by Teala

A U.S. soldier opened fire Thursday at Fort Hood, Texas, killing at least 11 people and wounding 31 others, military officials said. The gunman was shot to death, and two others were in custody.

Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone, commanding general of the Army’s III Corps, who confirmed the shootings, said the gunman used two handguns. NBC News’ Pete Williams reported that a U.S. official identified the gunman as Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan, who was 39 or 40.

A senior Obama administration official told NBC News that the shootings could have been a criminal matter rather than a terrorism-related attack and that there was no intelligence to suggest a plot against Fort Hood.  <<<   From MSNBC News

Obama is clueless.

It was "terrorism" related. More and more people want to turn to Islam and destroy this society of excess and dilusions. It is not orchestrated by some group or organization but by nature.

Killing twelve trained soldiers with a handgun is almost impossible.. those poor guys must have been executed.

 Did my time in the military and god bless to any on this board who may be stationed down there. I hope you and all your families are well. 

Originally posted by Precusor

Killing twelve trained soldiers with a handgun is almost impossible.. those poor guys must have been executed.

This guy was an awesome shot, a perfectly stabe individual who could emerge himself in a trance of ultimate focus and thus being able to kill so many peoples.

EDIT: MODS if you are reading through this thread it REALLY needs to go into the Religion and Politics subforum.  Definitely not fit for generic Off-topic discussion.

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God he was a psychiatrist.

No idea what the circumstances are but I do know that the military mental health folks I know are completely overwhelmed these days.

Such heartbreak for everyone involved.

Originally posted by IIRL

 

This guy was an awesome shot, a perfectly stabe individual who could emerge himself in a trance of ultimate focus and thus being able to kill so many peoples.

Pros cant kill 12 trained soldiers with a hand gun..

Originally posted by Precusor

Killing twelve trained soldiers with a handgun is almost impossible.. those poor guys must have been executed.

Yeah.  This or something similar.  I think it is irresponsible to speculate on the motivation behind the shooting. 

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by IIRL

 

This guy was an awesome shot, a perfectly stabe individual who could emerge himself in a trance of ultimate focus and thus being able to kill so many peoples.

Pros cant kill 12 trained soldiers with a hand gun..

 

The room was probably crowded due to graduation which increases hit percentage.Sad to say but you could randomly spray at shoulder level and hit someone with each round

Originally posted by Scubie67

 

The room was probably crowded due to graduation which increases hit percentage.Sad to say but you could randomly spray at shoulder level and hit someone with each round

Natural reaction for the trained soldiers is to wrestle the shooter down to the ground but that didn't happen.

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by Scubie67

 

The room was probably crowded due to graduation which increases hit percentage.Sad to say but you could randomly spray at shoulder level and hit someone with each round

 

Natural reaction for the trained soldiers is to wrestle the shooter down to the ground but that didn't happen.

Yeah I am sure they were caught with their guard down.Their home base, I am sure is the one place if anywhere, they felt they could probably relax. Sad situation.One of the wounded passed away now,so it is 13 dead.

 As a psychiatrist he should been able to notice if he was having mental stability issues and asked for help from other Dr's.

Originally posted by Scubie67

Yeah I am sure they were caught with their guard down.Their home base, I am sure is the one place if anywhere, they felt they could probably relax. Sad situation.One of the wounded passed away now,so it is 13 dead.

 As a psychiatrist he should been able to notice if he was having mental stability issues and asked for help from other Dr's.

The sad truth is that Physicians are statistically one of the WORST groups about seeking treatment when they should.  That is partly because there is a real stigma against showing weakness during medical training and practice, and partly because you are quite likely to know professionally the people who would be treating you.

Docs make horrible patients too.  Non-compliant and prone to denial. 

The stigma with mental health issues is even greater.  Man, I would really like to know more about what happened there.

Originally posted by Enkindu

Originally posted by Scubie67

Yeah I am sure they were caught with their guard down.Their home base, I am sure is the one place if anywhere, they felt they could probably relax. Sad situation.One of the wounded passed away now,so it is 13 dead.

 As a psychiatrist he should been able to notice if he was having mental stability issues and asked for help from other Dr's.

 

The sad truth is that Physicians are statistically one of the WORST groups about seeking treatment when they should.  That is partly because there is a real stigma against showing weakness during medical training and practice, and partly because you are quite likely to know professionally the people who would be treating you.

Docs make horrible patients too.  Non-compliant and prone to denial. 

The stigma with mental health issues is even greater.  Man, I would really like to know more about what happened there.

Yeah Drs. are their own worse patients I guess.We will find out more as the days go by unlike the civilian police it seems the military is more selective of info they give out.this is one reason there is so much speculation on this incident across the cable channels

Maybe not "terrorism related" - but it sure comes close, kind of like the flip side of Timothy McVeigh, same kind of nut case, different kool-aid.:

"Hasan, born in Virginia, was single with no children. The Austin American-Statesman reported his parents were originally from Jordan.

Nader Hasan, his cousin, told ABC News Maj. Hasan had two brothers, one in the United States, the other in Jerusalem. The cousin described him as a pious lifelong Muslim."

http://www.abcnews.go.com/WN/nadal-malik-hasan-suspected-fort-hood-shooter-psychiatrist/story?id=9010466

Originally posted by Laiina

Maybe not "terrorism related" - but it sure comes close, kind of like the flip side of Timothy McVeigh, same kind of nut case, different kool-aid.:

"Hasan, born in Virginia, was single with no children. The Austin American-Statesman reported his parents were originally from Jordan.

Nader Hasan, his cousin, told ABC News Maj. Hasan had two brothers, one in the United States, the other in Jerusalem. The cousin described him as a pious lifelong Muslim."

http://www.abcnews.go.com/WN/nadal-malik-hasan-suspected-fort-hood-shooter-psychiatrist/story?id=9010466

It's all circumstantial until proven otherwise, especially in the current political climate.  Two of the best docs I know are from Syria and Iran and both of them are Muslim AND American.  I remember them well because last time i worked with them was during Ramadan and everyone but me on the team was fasting.. so i fasted with them as a courtesy.

Yeah, a lot of Muslims hate our guts but a lot of Muslims are just normal Americans that want to be peaceful and prosperous in a safe place.. just like we do.

I'm sure right now there are terminally stupid jackasses already heading out in their pickup trucks to throw beer bottles at the local Mosque.

Yes, this may be straight up radical Islam Hate killing Americans on American soil.  But until we KNOW that all we know is that something terrible happened, and that there was a Muslim American military physician involved.  If you pass judgment before you have all of the facts you are no better than the terrorists.

Wtf is a muslim doing in the U.S. army. That was my first reaction.

Originally posted by dynamo122

Wtf is a muslim doing in the U.S. army. That was my first reaction.

When I see shit this stupid i just want to quit.

All of it.

So the Maj that did the shooting is not dead.     He was wounded enough that they took him into custody.   Second...he was under investigation by the FBI for some blog posting he made regarding terrorist and suicide bombers - calling suicide bombers the equivalent of a soldier that would throw themselves on a grenade to save their comrades.   He had made other such tall tell type blog entries which the FBI will not disclose - part of an ongoing investigation they have been doing on the guy supposedly for the last 6 months.

Originally posted by Enkindu

Originally posted by dynamo122

Wtf is a muslim doing in the U.S. army. That was my first reaction.

 

When I see shit this stupid i just want to quit.

 

All of it.

Yep.  I'm actually quite curious to know how many people in the armed forces actually declare themselves as Muslim.  Hell, I grew up with people who were Muslim.  I did not notice anything different other than their prayer rituals.  They were still people trying to make a living in peace and quiet.

Originally posted by Teala

So the Maj that did the shooting is not dead.     He was wounded enough that they took him into custody.   Second...he was under investigation by the FBI for some blog posting he made regarding terrorist and suicide bombers - calling suicide bombers the equivalent of a soldier that would throw themselves on a grenade to save their comrades.   He had made other such tall tell type blog entries which the FBI will not disclose - part of an ongoing investigation they have been doing on the guy supposedly for the last 6 months.

 

Yeah.  Keep in mind this type of thing also happens in circumstances that have NOTHING to do with religion or ethnicity.

May 13, 2009
By Fred W. Baker III

WASHINGTON (American Forces Press Service) – Defense Department officials today released the names of four soldiers killed in a shooting at a combat stress clinic at Camp Liberty, Iraq on May 11.

The name of a fifth victim, Navy Cmdr. Charles K. Springle, 52, of Wilmington, N.C., was released yesterday.

Dead are:

-- Army Maj. Matthew P. Houseal, 54, of Amarillo, Texas, assigned to the 55th Medical Company in Indianapolis;

-- Army Sgt. Christian E. Bueno-Galdos, 25, of Paterson, N.J., assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 66th Armor Regiment, 172nd Infantry Brigade, Grafenwoehr, Germany;

-- Army Spc. Jacob D. Barton, 20, of Lenox, Mo., assigned to the 277th Engineer Company, 420th Engineer Brigade, Waco, Texas; and

-- Army Pfc. Michael E. Yates Jr., 19, of Federalsburg, Md., assigned to the 3rd Battalion, 66th Armor Regiment, 172nd Infantry Brigade, Grafenwoehr, Germany.

Army Sgt. John M. Russell, 44, of Sherman, Texas, is in military police custody at Victory Base Complex in Baghdad, charged with five specifications of murder and one of aggravated assault, military officials confirmed yesterday.

Russell is assigned to Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 54th Engineer Battalion, based in Bamberg, Germany.

In a briefing in Iraq yesterday, Army Maj. Gen. David Perkins, a spokesman for Multinational Force Iraq, told reporters that the two officers killed were staff members at the Combat Stress Control Center at Camp Liberty, where Russell was being treated. The three enlisted soldiers were at the clinic at the time of the shooting. Russell was apprehended by military police outside the clinic just after the shooting, Perkins said.

Russell was referred to the clinic for counseling about a week before the shooting. Russell’s commander had taken away his personal weapon, and how and where Russell was able to get another weapon is part of the investigation that’s under way, Perkins said.

All soldiers in Iraq typically carry a weapon and ammunition, even while on a base.

Russell’s unit was based at Camp Victory, and was preparing to leave Iraq. He had been deployed to Iraq at least two other times, Perkins said. Camp Victory is part of the Victory Base Complex, and it houses the headquarters for Multinational Corps Iraq. Camp Liberty also is on the complex. The clinic is located near the headquarters of Multinational Division Baghdad.

Army Maj. Gen. Daniel Bolger, commander of Multinational Division Baghdad said that if there’s one thing leaders have learned from the war, it’s that not all injuries are physical. “So you’ve got to have that door open for the guys,” he added.

In Iraq, soldiers can be referred for treatment at the clinic by unit doctors, or they can self-refer. But, despite senior leaders’ best efforts, Bolger said, some servicemembers still perceive a stigma attached to seeking mental-health treatment. It is especially difficult, he noted, for those in leadership positions to seek the help they need.

“[Russell is] in a leadership capacity, and to make that trip down there is a tough decision for either him or his chain of command to make,” Bolger said. “But … we have those facilities and care available.”

Alongside the criminal investigation, Army officials are formally investigating the policies and availability of behavioral health services in Iraq, officials said.

“One of the goals on mental health on the battlefield, just like with a bullet wound, [is that] you always want to treat it as far forward as possible,” Bolger said. “So we try really hard to get those folks … to meet with folks to see this early.”