Please keep on playing wow and stay with it forever less people like you in other games the better.

lol i play Aion FFXI Darkfall im in almost every game feel safe i am personaly bored of WoW but you people jump on any chance to bash a good game because it made some desicions its there game

https://blizzard.taleo.net/careersection/2/joblist.ftl

just wanted to add look at all those countrys look for people from certain coutrys to work in certain citys.... and they outsource all right they outsource to the world...

Many at least people that think like me are bashing them atm because the money is coming from the customers they won't even put 1$ in the donation yet they will claim it as theirs.

Originally posted by PizziJQ

My point is they want you to have a degree... and not be a jackass they hired off the street....

How exactly did u make this US account are u from american did u purchase the game from there?

WoW... A degree in Taiwan... And a degree being a VERY loose term... Impressive. It still proves my outsourcing point. And yes, crazy enough, with this thing called the internet, you can magically order things from far away lands, and they arrive on the wings of the angels to your doorstep. Crazy stuff, I know. Not that I would even need to do that, because I can just buy the digital versions... You Didnt think this out, did you?

I can log in fine because I bought the game from america giving me that .wtf no it does not block you but GMs from the USA have to be from the USA blizzard only hires people from there and where your in euro i would say yes they do speak bad english because yes the GMs from France can be connected to you but if you tell them you cannot understand there english they will connect you to someone else

I know exactly what the  WTF does. It decides where you connect to. It means nothing about where your CD key is for, or where your account is registered. And mine is at www.worldofwarcraft.com. The American servers, beleive it or not. And it works fine. And no, GMs do not need to be from the country. The fact that you can even think that scares me. And, when I call their 1800 number, I am calling the US. Not the Europe line. And long distance charges? No. That is why you buy an IP phone in the US, and bring it to Europe. You get a US number, with no out of country calling.

also you know long distance charges? or is that to much for you to handle in your brain let me break it down  THE WOMEN ON THE PHONE TOLD ME THAT WHERE I WAS CALLING FROM JAPAN THAT I WOULD GET A LONG DISTANCE CHARGE BECAUSE SHE IS IN AMERICA is that good?

The number you called was a US number. However, that means nothing. I call US numbers all the time, and end up talking with Indians. It is a pretty simple system, where your phone call is forwarded from the US number to the Indian extension. It costs you nothing, because they are just the middle man, and they still get the cheaper charges. It is a simple concept. I am not sure what kind of proof this was supposed to be.

http://www.wow.com/2008/12/28/blizzard-employee-offering-a-lifetime-pass-to-raise-money-for-le/

I know... not the company as a whole which actualy it kinda was for giving away the passes blizzard is actualy very much into alot of charitys

and they never claim it as there own they just give people more of a reason to donate because people do like to get somthing for there buck

lol your red text is funny but with the same amount of logic i can disagree with everything you just said the .WTF is on each disc a US disc gets a USA .WTF i can rip it right off the disc and EU disc get a EU .wtf

Just like a Xbox 360 from EU cant play US games yes its easy to change but you would have to change it fine easy enough

and i think you are just trying to find a way to bash because i have provided enough proof to show you blizzard out sources custmor service all over the world soo why when i call the american number why would they connect me to a indian they wouldent it would be nonsense why pay for all these places to give people jobs when you can get it cheap in india or do you not know bussiness you so much preach to do so and no cell phones are quite smart and so are blizzards phones and they want to make you quite aware that you are being charged extra for a phone call that you made to them Long distance / roaming charges will applie out of USA you can read it on there support site

Just wanted to clarify that only ONE of the pets is for charity.  The other, Blizzard get all your monies.  Anyway,  these pets do give an in-game advantage...they count toward an achievement.  It's not a big thing, but still you get something in-game. 

Originally posted by PizziJQ

lol i play Aion FFXI Darkfall im in almost every game feel safe i am personaly bored of WoW but you people jump on any chance to bash a good game because it made some desicions its there game

 

https://blizzard.taleo.net/careersection/2/joblist.ftl

 

just wanted to add look at all those countrys look for people from certain coutrys to work in certain citys.... and they outsource all right they outsource to the world...

And you said something about being american ? When did english stoped being the primary language in the US ?

Btw , 10 millions x 14.99 its 149.9 million dolar , hardly "just a bit over 100 millions" , wich then you multiply by 12 months and come up with .... ~1.8 billion dolars , plus the box sales , transfers etc , so ... yup billions a year .

I know I haven't posted that much on this website but I couldn't let this one go. I am not the biggest fan of WoW but I will say this: Everything said by the the OP is incorrect.

As said before by a previous poster, the servers are expensive to run and wagers are expensive as well. In saying this they still get a lot of money for what they do.

Lets look at the maths here: 12 Million subscribers each paying the sum of $15 PER MONTH. That equates to $160 Miliion per month, $1.96 Billion a year, just on subscriptions. Also add $50 for each game sold (lets say 20 million copies) thats $1 billion plus expansions and we could add another $1 billion there. Therefore, they have earnt $2 billion in sales and earn $1.96 billion every year on subs. If you are telling me that they are only scraping through on costs you are kidding yourself. Lets say the costs came to $1 billion/year, and we know they don't but just for arguements sake it does, they still earn $960 MILLION PER YEAR JUST ON SUBS ALONE!!! 

A company with that amount of cash lying around is obliged to give something back to charity, which Bilzzard do, so good on them and anyone that says otherwise can go stuff themselves.

As for the the OP, this is to you, you do not know how businesses operate so don't pretend that you do. The call centre for Blizzard is outsourced. This is a common fact. All the big companies do it as it is cheaper. In addition to this, I live in Australia and can play on any server I want. I am not limited to this. Your arguements are worth spit and amount to nothing. In addition, fix your spelling and grammar as it makes you look like a 13 year old.

There is too much WoW hating going around, I agree with this. Why hate the player when they have set a standard. No one, not even a wow hater like myself, can deny what they have achieved over 5 years and I give them that respect. In saying this, do not ever underestimate how much Blizzard is gaining from this game. Money alone Blizzard makes a phenomenal amount as proven above.

One last thing, the OP said that they make only enough money to support WoW, not the other games. WoW doesn't need to support the other games, they made it on their own, with cash left over. That's how they could afford to build WoW. Now, WoW is making them a bucket load and they will have enough money to make 10 more crap MMO's before they won't have cash left. However, we know with Blizzards past they will not be making 10 flops. More like 9 WoW's and a Diablo ;) Its just more money for them and ultimately more of a reason as to why they should be giving money to charity.

I am pretty drunk right now and my arguement made more sense then the OP's, go figure. Thus the difference between a 25 year old and a 13 year old WoW fanboi

 Hey guys i hear making money is bad, i bet people at their jobs never want to make more money.

Originally posted by Scalebane

 Hey guys i hear making money is bad, i bet people at their jobs never want to make more money.

I just posted to correct the munbling about "just a little over 100 million" , blizz does make billions out of WoW and good for them , they are a for profit . But what the OP claims its just ... retarded .

Yeah, You my friend still proved nothing with the fact that blizzard provides Support and jobs in all these  Countrys why do they do this? Please elaborate and explain

Also i never claimed you could not play on any server i said that the game you install is the .wtf you will get it is easy to change and go from server set to server set

Let me start off saying i stated that blizzard does make extra off WoW and they are doing great but a bussiness is always out to make MORE money any bussiness and they will continue to do so but even stocks in blizzard right now are sketchy at best with the decline in Subs and boxes sold

Your being very giving in the current subs and account for the service maintance which they have with at&t cost them 49 million dollars a month so a year it cost them around 500million half of what they make on subs include the amount they have to pay for paycheck i would say they come out with a profit of 100-300million dollars a month ( on just subs money not including everything else) which is nice but the number you are throwing are hardware company numbers not a gaming company so explain all this too me slowly because you appreantly think i cant do math or thought this threw but i have

Wow billion laughable

Wow merged with another company for 18billion dollars to start starcraft 2 and diablo 3 because they were afraid they wouldent have the profit to support them... honestly i think you guys give WoW way more credit then its wourth lol which is weird sense ur the basher

Originally posted by PizziJQ

lol your red text is funny but with the same amount of logic i can disagree with everything you just said the .WTF is on each disc a US disc gets a USA .WTF i can rip it right off the disc and EU disc get a EU .wtf

The red text is to make it easier for people to see where I am responding, rather than what you typed. And, have fun switching out your WTF file, and trying to play on other servers. It does not work. As I said, the WTF file just tells the game where to connect to. You still need a localized CD key and account. It is not just to swap the files and play in another region.

Just like a Xbox 360 from EU cant play US games yes its easy to change but you would have to change it fine easy enough

and i think you are just trying to find a way to bash because i have provided enough proof to show you blizzard out sources custmor service all over the world soo why when i call the american number why would they connect me to a indian they wouldent it would be nonsense why pay for all these places to give people jobs when you can get it cheap in india or do you not know bussiness you so much preach to do so and no cell phones are quite smart and so are blizzards phones and they want to make you quite aware that you are being charged extra for a phone call that you made to them Long distance / roaming charges will applie out of USA you can read it on there support site

I never claimed that they ONLY outsourced to India. I said that I have been transferred to two people in India. HUGE difference. India does a lot of outsourcing, especially when it comes to customer service. If you have ever called support lines, this would have been glaringly apparent.

And yes, they may let you know that there will be long distance charges. And, once again, what is your point? And quite smart? It is called caller ID. it has been around for ages. That still does not change the fact that my VOIP phone calls the US with no long distance/international fees, because it is a US number.

Originally posted by PizziJQ

Yeah, You my friend still proved nothing with the fact that blizzard provides Support and jobs in all these  Countrys why do they do this? Please elaborate and explain

 

Also i never claimed you could not play on any server i said that the game you install is the .wtf you will get it is easy to change and go from server set to server set

Let me start off saying i stated that blizzard does make extra off WoW and they are doing great but a bussiness is always out to make MORE money any bussiness and they will continue to do so but even stocks in blizzard right now are sketchy at best with the decline in Subs and boxes sold

Your being very giving in the current subs and account for the service maintance which they have with at&t cost them 49 million dollars a month so a year it cost them around 500million half of what they make on subs include the amount they have to pay for paycheck i would say they come out with a profit of 100-300million dollars a month ( on just subs money not including everything else) which is nice but the number you are throwing are hardware company numbers not a gaming company so explain all this too me slowly because you appreantly think i cant do math or thought this threw but i have

 

Wow billion laughable

Wow merged with another company for 18billion dollars to start starcraft 2 and diablo 3 because they were afraid they wouldent have the profit to support them... honestly i think you guys give WoW way more credit then its wourth lol which is weird sense ur the basher

I am now certain that you are stupid , please , do carry on .

PS : Blizz numbers are PUBLIC , go check the CAPEX and OPEX segments of the public finance report .

Thank you but you gave me the means to find out blizzards exact numbers they made 66million dollars profit after expenses amazing

Amazingly funny you thought they were making billions realy enjoyable conversation with you guys but blizzards numbers dont lie

and you cant do math yay! everyone loses

Originally posted by PizziJQ

Yeah, You my friend still proved nothing with the fact that blizzard provides Support and jobs in all these  Countrys why do they do this? Please elaborate and explain

Certain areas have better chances of having certain language combinations to start with. Second, if they had their call center in one spot, what happens if it goes down? It makes good sense to spread things out just for that reason. However, my best bet is on language combinations.

Also i never claimed you could not play on any server i said that the game you install is the .wtf you will get it is easy to change and go from server set to server set

No, that is not how it works. At all. You still need to buy the localized version. Plus, the WoW US versus WoW enGB is completely different. They have different files to go along with them. If you switched the WTF file, it would patch like crazy to bring the localized files. Even when patches come out, you cant just use any patch you want.

Let me start off saying i stated that blizzard does make extra off WoW and they are doing great but a bussiness is always out to make MORE money any bussiness and they will continue to do so but even stocks in blizzard right now are sketchy at best with the decline in Subs and boxes sold

Your being very giving in the current subs and account for the service maintance which they have with at&t cost them 49 million dollars a month so a year it cost them around 500million half of what they make on subs include the amount they have to pay for paycheck i would say they come out with a profit of 100-300million dollars a month ( on just subs money not including everything else) which is nice but the number you are throwing are hardware company numbers not a gaming company so explain all this too me slowly because you appreantly think i cant do math or thought this threw but i have

What they pay to AT&T is not just for WoW. Battlenet covers a LOT more than just WoW. Want to start adding up profits from all of Blizzard's games? Or want to get REALLY technical, and drag in Activision?

Wow billion laughable

Wow merged with another company for 18billion dollars to start starcraft 2 and diablo 3 because they were afraid they wouldent have the profit to support them... honestly i think you guys give WoW way more credit then its wourth lol which is weird sense ur the basher

They merged with Activision because it makes them an even larger powerhouse. It has nothing to do with not having enough money. Besides, even if they had spent all the money, and had nothing left, they would easily manage a loan. WoW is a cash cow that just keeps on giving. Any investor would LOVE to invest in Blizzard.

Originally posted by PizziJQ

Thank you but you gave me the means to find out blizzards exact numbers they made 66million dollars profit after expenses amazing

 

Amazingly funny you thought they were making billions realy enjoyable conversation with you guys but blizzards numbers dont lie

and you cant do math yay! everyone loses

lol. Ok yeah. And please show this link? Christ, AoC made 25million in profit last year, and they have almost no subs. Please, PLEASE show me this link, because I will bet my balls that it is either CRAZY old, or you have completely misread it.

and like i said BLIZZARD DOES MAKE ALOT OF MONEY JUST NOT THESE BILLIONS YOU GO ON AND ON AND ON ABOUT jesus read the full post

http://www.digitalbattle.com/2009/05/07/activision-blizzard-reports-huge-profits/

Oh excuse me that was last year this year was 100million there ya go

Originally posted by PizziJQ

and like i said BLIZZARD DOES MAKE ALOT OF MONEY JUST NOT THESE BILLIONS YOU GO ON AND ON AND ON ABOUT jesus read the full post

So, lets assume that they dump a MASSIVE amount to build an MMO, being... Lets say... 250million dollars. Crazy money. Even at your rediculously small amount you gave in profit, which is complete crap, but lets assume. It would take, what? 4 years to make that much? WoW has been out how long? And it takes how many years to build an MMO? So, lets say it takes them 5 years. That is 330million in profit they would have made in that time. Allowing to not only make the new MMO, but even have money left over, with zero debt.

So, even by your own cooked up numbers, you are STILL incorrect.

The majority of the 10 million subscribers are Chinese pay as you play members, the NA and EU members are around 4 million according to various reports over the last 6 months or so... anyway,

And cash shops in MMO's are the way all online games will end up going. It started in Asia, where F2P games supported by a cash shop proved to make more money than subscriptions. Then US companies like Acclaim started to port Asian games to NA, and brought the Cash Shop model with them. They then proved to the industry that this form of income also work for a US audience, so slowly, larger publishers started to try them out also, with the highest profile to date (before this) being SOE in EQ and EQ2. SOE also developed FreeRealms, to see if a F2P/CashShop model would really work in the US/EU, and quickly proved it did. EA, NCSoft and others then started to try it out, again, successfully.

This then opened the doors for other publishers to start experiementing with this, and Blizzard is just the latest to do so, with these pets.

It's predicted that within a few years Cash shops will be the norm over here, just like they are in Asia. Although, as its been pointed out in various developer interviews on this site, this does in turn mean the developers have to patch quicker, add more content more often, and ensure bugs are killed more quickly, all in order to keep people coming back (which the subscription only model does not do - you know you have a month at least, and can hope the players forget).

However, despite the general negative press that cash shops often get - the only things you can normally buy are "fluff" items - no stat clothing, non combat pets, low speed mounts, and occasionally XP potions. Even Acclaim (who's games are F2P) only have fluff items, and understand that anything more would unbalance the game.

So, don't panic too much, this wont change your games, and it wont effect how you play. And if its proved to be VERY successful, you may even find that within a few years the top title MMOs are changed to F2P with bigger cash shops, and you get to play WoW, EQ2, LOTRO etc for free. Which wont be so bad really.

it costed 200million to pay for WoW the day it was realsed it was basicly paid for lol box sell make a huge diffrence and with the ups and downs of the world  66million dollars would be straight profit for blizzard which is good i said that with the number cut out for expenses lol

http://www.digitalbattle.com/2009/05/07/activision-blizzard-reports-huge-profits/

It has costed blizzard around 560million to make diablo thus far

and around 300million for starcraft 2 so not alot of money left over each year from WoW Blizzard is a stocking company people buy shares where it gets most of its funding for its games so infact that 100million is going back to the stock holders making them keep stocks in blizzard to keep the world turning....

Originally posted by PizziJQ

it costed 200million to pay for WoW the day it was realsed it was basicly paid for lol box sell make a huge diffrence and with the ups and downs of the world  66million dollars would be straight profit for blizzard which is good i said that with the number cut out for expenses lol

Did you even read the link you provided ? its 100 millions A MONTH , thats 1.2 billion a year , and no , the vanilla game cost under 50 million to blizz , it was stated over and over again .

Originally posted by PizziJQ

it costed 200million to pay for WoW the day it was realsed it was basicly paid for lol box sell make a huge diffrence and with the ups and downs of the world  66million dollars would be straight profit for blizzard which is good i said that with the number cut out for expenses lol

Here is a link for you. Enjoy your rantings.

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2008/09/total-operating/

Originally posted by holonist

Originally posted by PizziJQ

it costed 200million to pay for WoW the day it was realsed it was basicly paid for lol box sell make a huge diffrence and with the ups and downs of the world  66million dollars would be straight profit for blizzard which is good i said that with the number cut out for expenses lol

 

Did you even read the link you provided ? its 100 millions A MONTH , thats 1.2 billion a year , and no , the vanilla game cost under 50 million to blizz , it was stated over and over again .

Yeah, as I had assumed. He massively missread, or is just hoping people are retarded and cant read. Pathetic. Aimed at OP, not you Holonist.

Originally posted by Rallycart

Originally posted by PizziJQ

it costed 200million to pay for WoW the day it was realsed it was basicly paid for lol box sell make a huge diffrence and with the ups and downs of the world  66million dollars would be straight profit for blizzard which is good i said that with the number cut out for expenses lol

 

Here is a link for you. Enjoy your rantings.

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2008/09/total-operating/

Bastard! I was holding that one until she pulled another "OMFGZ J00 C@NT R3AD" post .

The upkeep for the entire game till now its under 250 mill , 50 mill for the initial development + 50 million for the 2 expansions , thats 350 million , even if you average 0.75 bill a year its still way over 3 billion PROFIT ...

and your site has no source take me to this orignal source at this confrence blizzard post all there conferances and that number doesent even provide the servers you ____ you have no idea how to do math and it amazes me 200million in cost for 5 years.... retarded but nice try not to mention taxes or any other random factor that comes out of blizzards pocket honestly retarded