Originally posted by SaintViktor

Originally posted by dstar.

People really get mad when a company sales some items that does not gave any type of advantage to any player?  Seriously?  Well this is the mmorpg.com forums I guess sometimes I forget.

 

People complained when SOE went subscription+rmt, people complained when Cryptic used subscription+rmt and now you are saying it is ok because Blizzard does it ? I mean Blizzard even stooped lower than anyone and is using the charity thing to get people to buy these pets and keep half of the profits ? If this was really intended as a fund raiser for charity then 100% of the profits should go the charity. They shouldn't pocket any of it. Atleast when the other companies when subscription+sub they disn't stoop to low standards and use people in need as an excuse to squeeze money out of you. Blizzard has hit an all time low and I'll never purchase anything from Blizzard again.

I guess I don't see it as a bad thing because I wont ever buy them and it wont ever effect my game play.  Unless of course these pets do damage or cause some kind of bug to allow someone to do some serious damage.  Otherwise I really couldn't careless who buys it or who gets the money.

Normally I'd say the original poster is stupid and your slippery slope argument is ridiculous, but since so many other developers have transitioned into RMT in a similar manner I would say its possible.

Step 1: RMT pets / charity

Step 2: RMT pets

Step 3: RMT appearance changes

Step 4: RMT class change

Step 5: RMT items / money / level!

Naw, I dont think it will really happen :-p  I am pretty sure they arent going to do it.

Originally posted by SaintViktor

Originally posted by dstar.

People really get mad when a company sales some items that does not gave any type of advantage to any player?  Seriously?  Well this is the mmorpg.com forums I guess sometimes I forget.

 

People complained when SOE went subscription+rmt, people complained when Cryptic used subscription+rmt and now you are saying it is ok because Blizzard does it ? I mean Blizzard even stooped lower than anyone and is using the charity thing to get people to buy these pets and keep half of the profits ? If this was really intended as a fund raiser for charity then 100% of the profits should go the charity. They shouldn't pocket any of it. Atleast when the other companies used subscription+sub they didn't stoop to low standards and use people in need as an excuse to squeeze money out of you. Blizzard has hit an all time low and I'll never purchase anything from Blizzard again.

You see it as squeezing money, I see it as a nice gesture for a non-profit that Blizzard has helped in the past. To my knowledge no other game has ever done anything like that where their profits went to a non-profit. What you high and mighty people forget is that Blizzard doesn't have to give anything. They could have simply sold the pet and been done with it. But they give 50% of the profit to a non-profit. Have you stopped to think how much money that could be? Do you honestly think that the children it provides help too care if its 50% or 10%? Do you think the charity would be happy for any money? When you are a non-profitt and rely on donations, and a multi-billion dollar company approaches you and says they are going to give 50% of the profits to you, you don't care that it is 50% and you don't ask for 55%. You accept and be damn glad you have it.

So criticize Blizzard all you want. Call them names and complain that it is all a trick to deceive customers. Insist they are greedy and are only out to make a profit. But don't forget, in the end, the money is going to help those who need it and be glad a company in Blizzards position is doing something, anything.

IF EVERY company gave 50% of the profits from one item it sells and donated it to those in need, we could go a long way to helping do a lot of good. But instead we rather sit in our homes and criticize a company for doing something when they don't even have too. it is truly a sad social commentary on the state of the world.

Originally posted by WKnight

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by SaintViktor

You see it as squeezing money, I see it as a nice gesture for a non-profit that Blizzard has helped in the past.

 

Where does your naivity come from?

As someone who has worked for non-profits, taken courses in non-profits and understand how the system works, you must dangle a carrot in front of your potential customers looking to make donations. Even if its a certificate, an article in the newspaper, etc.... so if it takes giving players in a game, a vanity pet to get them to donate, then you do it.

Its not naive, its the world of non-profits.

I can guarante you that many people will buy that pet for that reason and that reason alone. As a matter of fact, I know several already who don't even collect pets in game, but are willing to buy it because of that donation to Make-a-Wish. That is the point. Its a tried and true system and it works well.

Originally posted by WKnight

I think it's hilarious just because they're doing the current one for "charity" you think it's going to end there.  They are just testing water.

That's fine. I don't care if it ends there or not. I have the choice not to buy anything I don't want too so I won't. Its that simple.

Originally posted by WKnight

Originally posted by templarga

Originally posted by WKnight

I think it's hilarious just because they're doing the current one for "charity" you think it's going to end there.  They are just testing water.

That's fine. I don't care if it ends there or not. I have the choice not to buy anything I don't want too so I won't. Its that simple.

Ya, but then if they start adding gear?  How's that choice gonna look when item mall shop sword crits you for 99k? And you're using regular sword. This is how RMT works....

First that is a slippery slope argument and little to no proof that it would happen. And just because SOE did it, it isn't proof.

And second, if they did add stuff that impacted the in-game world, I have the right to cancel my sub and play other games.

That a worthy cause is involved still doesnt make RMT alright, the "means to an end" argument has repeatedly been proven wrong by history. There are other kinds of events WOW can do to entice players to help charity.

Just read this, No doubt just sued Activision on the same grounds as Courtney Love. Along with the China thing i guess you can say theyre not having the best of weeks at Activision-Blizzard headquarters...

Originally posted by pepsibottle

Originally posted by donjn

Blizzard is smart. They are very concerned about gameplay. No way will they ever allow RMTs that effect your skills. It will always be cosmentic only.

 

Keep telling yourself that, that's what people who play EQ and EQ2 said too. Now they're selling XP potions and armor.

SOE never sold cosmetic only items. They opened a cash shop with everything immediately. There was no transition. Way to try and change history.

Originally posted by Ibluerate

Honestly?

You're pathetic...

It's two pets...

Not armor and XP boosts...

LOL omfg NERF the pets now!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by brostyn

Originally posted by pepsibottle

Originally posted by donjn

Blizzard is smart. They are very concerned about gameplay. No way will they ever allow RMTs that effect your skills. It will always be cosmentic only.

 

Keep telling yourself that, that's what people who play EQ and EQ2 said too. Now they're selling XP potions and armor.

 

SOE never sold cosmetic only items. They opened a cash shop with everything immediately. There was no transition. Way to try and change history.

Wrong.

LoN cards always got cosmetic items like mounts and cosmetic clickies, like the nimbus and pets, it was only when they introduced the marketplace that they intorduced buyable XP potions and armor. You could even buy items if you didn't get one from a LoN tourney, it was 10 $ for the HP 5k heal clicky.

Here is the discussion about it: forums.station.sony.com/eq/posts/list.m

That's when the transition started to full RMT, not with the marketplace. It started with LoN, the card game. You could get rewards for tourneys you missed by not joining them and just buying the reward afterwards.

You don't know what you're talking about. It is 100% the same as Blizzard is doing, even the way of getting items throught a card game is the same.

In my honest opinion, Blizzard did nothing wrong. Because what they've released is just a pet and it's nothing that could help a player but to decorate himself. If they've released an item that would really boost a person's character then that's the time you react.

 I'm sorry, but even if its "just cosmetics" this is a P2P game. I don't see how anyone can just sit down and say "well that's a great idea!" when suddenly the content that was being added to the game as part of your subscription is suddenly being charged for at upwards of a months sub time to acquire, especially when purchasing it is the ONLY way to acquire it. 

And this is before getting into the whole slippery slope disaster where Blizzard starts seeing "hey people are stupid enough/desperate enough to pay out for this crap" and start sequestering more and more content away for their shop. Bet you can't wait to drop $15 to reset your instance lockouts! (someone at activision/blizzard is reading that right now and shitting their pants with excitement at the idea)

Originally posted by Demz2

Its a bloody pet store ffs.  Does this affect how anyone plays???? NO. Get a bloody grip please.  Sure as bloody hell I would pay 10$ for that pandaren monk pet, its bloody cool.

Its becouse of people like you that companys get BLOODY hungry bastards, who already are very rich even wanne become more rich its pathatic how this developes specially from a company thats already so succesfull blizzard is $$$$$$$$ dusgusting PUGE PUGE PUGE on blizzard:(

But then again look at this site they get PAYED to show a NON MMORPG dragon age becouse MASS wants this its all about $$$$$$ less about games:(

This site again show all time low with adds and attention for NON MMORPG:(

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Originally posted by MaNiaGG
Get a clue - it starts with pets and cool looking armor and will end with exp potions and that like, as seen on other games before. Disgusting at best :)
I don't play WoW but I've always been against RMT and im pretty surprised Blizzard hopped on that shitty bandwagon...

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I don't like it, but as long as it doesn't affect gameplay, I'll put up with it. Slippery slope? Maybe, but I can wait to see if it is or not. RMT items that affect gameplay, and I'm gone.

Originally posted by Caleveira

If the most succesful MMO moves towards RMT the rest cant be far behind. Its great to see WOW continues its tradition of "improving" the MMO genre...

You obviously don't know much about the genre, because blizzard is a very late participant to this.  Just like most people blame the sad condition of the genre on wow, they will ignorantly blame wow for cash shops.  Even though both conditions preempted wows involvement.

I will agree that blizzard joining in singles the end, because there is no excuses to hide behind.  They don't need the extra money for developers.  They simply want more money for the same exact effort as last week and people here will defend them, because they just don't understand.

The "its just fluff" crowd will beat that drum and call people crazy for complaining about it, because they have convinced themselves a cash shop will never have anything but a very small amount of fluff items.  That is until the cash shop starts to offer something they think goes to far and they decide to complain about it, but it will be to late by then.  I hope we don't see any defeneders complaining then, because you have forfeit your right to complain today.

While I believe this is, sadly the start of a slippery slope, I do LOVE that they added panderen.

CHina bans wow..

WoW says fuck you then, we're making KUNG FU FUCKING PANDAS

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by Caleveira

If the most succesful MMO moves towards RMT the rest cant be far behind. Its great to see WOW continues its tradition of "improving" the MMO genre...

 

You obviously don't know much about the genre, because blizzard is a very late participant to this.  Just like most people blame the sad condition of the genre on wow, they will ignorantly blame wow for cash shops.  Even though both conditions preempted wows involvement.

 

I will agree that blizzard joining in singles the end, because there is no excuses to hide behind.  They don't need the extra money for developers.  They simply want more money for the same exact effort as last week and people here will defend them, because they just don't understand.

 

The "its just fluff" crowd will beat that drum and call people crazy for complaining about it, because they have convinced themselves a cash shop will never have anything but a very small amount of fluff items.  That is until the cash shop starts to offer something they think goes to far and they decide to complain about it, but it will be to late by then.  I hope we don't see any defeneders complaining then, because you have forfeit your right to complain today.

Dont think anyone is blaming blizzard for the cashshops, people are just saying that blizzard wont stop there, and its the same story over and over again.

Like someone mentioned earlier after the activision merge the signs of cash milking started to show up one of the first things im sure alot of ppl noticed was the stupid amount of advertising that suddently appeared on the official website, then you have all of the paid services which is something I remember people asking a long time ago and blue posts were always "we will not allow that", now you have these items, it will be pretty naive to think that if they start making a profit they wont try and get ppl to spend even more money, its a business if they can get away with it they will simple as that, if there are 1 million ppl willing to spend another 20-30 quid a month to buy items from a cash shop they will do it.

You can lie to yourself all you want as a business they will look for every possible way of making more money and despite some ppl thinking otherwise the majority of the population are not old school MMO veterans they are kids and dad's who do NOT share or care about the same views as most veterans on RMT, if they can pay another 15 quid of their cash and have more fun by getting more instant gratification they will.

LOL look at all the user deleted posts in this thread . Some over zealous mod/wow fanbois is going around banning accounts for people doing nothing more than voicing an negative opinion on RMT .  

Originally posted by reserected

LOL look at all the user deleted posts in this thread . Some over zealous mod/wow fanbois is going around banning accounts for people doing nothing more than voicing an negative opinion on RMT .  

ya im sure its not possible that those people, you know, wrote stupid things and got modded fir them? thats all people do in these threads anyway, learn teh difference between a negative opinion and blind hate posts.

although i was not and am not a subb'er to wow ...

i told myself that if aion adopts the gameshop im quitting on the spot

the collectors edition and pre order crap i can deal with ... ive learned to accept those

even though yes its selling digital crack to kids ..

but in-game stores??  nah ... i already pay a monthly fee AS WELL AS bought the game if developers are too cheap to give me a pet or two or armor or a plastic surgery ticket .. or heck pvp stuff ... ill go find myself another game .. in reality .. all these gmes play the same anyway .. no biggie to find a new one

What people seem to forget is that Blizzard has done this before, only back then it was called Collector's Edition.  The only reason to buy a Collector's Edition was to get the pets and some WoW memoribilia.  In the end it is the same thing as selling the things in the Blizzard Store.

So it really baffles me seeing the uproar over this 'gigantic step' Blizzard has take when the step was actually taken FIVE YEARS AGO.

Originally posted by Torik

What people seem to forget is that Blizzard has done this before, only back then it was called Collector's Edition.  The only reason to buy a Collector's Edition was to get the pets and some WoW memoribilia.  In the end it is the same thing as selling the things in the Blizzard Store.

So it really baffles me seeing the uproar over this 'gigantic step' Blizzard has take when the step was actually taken FIVE YEARS AGO.

Im sorry, but if you bought a CE for a pet you have problems, most people buy it to, you know, have the CE.

Theres a difference between throwing something extra in to sweeten a deal and going "hey buy this"

Originally posted by Torik

What people seem to forget is that Blizzard has done this before, only back then it was called Collector's Edition.  The only reason to buy a Collector's Edition was to get the pets and some WoW memoribilia.  In the end it is the same thing as selling the things in the Blizzard Store.

So it really baffles me seeing the uproar over this 'gigantic step' Blizzard has take when the step was actually taken FIVE YEARS AGO.

No dude don't tell people they have been supporting RMT by buying CE's and Deluxe editions for the additional content, don't let them know this, it will kill them!  Please don't tell them they have been paying for extra content just like RMT!

What's the big deal? They already allow the following for a fee.

PvE->PvP server transfers
Faction changes
Race changes
Gender changes
Name changes

Originally posted by warmaster670

Originally posted by Torik

What people seem to forget is that Blizzard has done this before, only back then it was called Collector's Edition.  The only reason to buy a Collector's Edition was to get the pets and some WoW memoribilia.  In the end it is the same thing as selling the things in the Blizzard Store.

So it really baffles me seeing the uproar over this 'gigantic step' Blizzard has take when the step was actually taken FIVE YEARS AGO.

 

Im sorry, but if you bought a CE for a pet you have problems, most people buy it to, you know, have the CE.

 

Theres a difference between throwing something extra in to sweeten a deal and going "hey buy this"

If you bought the CE and never activated your pets then I might buy that argument.  But as soon as you activated your CE pets, you have fully bought them.  It really does not matter that they were bundled with other RL stuff.