Yup, it's well known people dismiss estimations and statistics using many lousy reasons when those estimations and statistics don't go their way. You can bet that if DFO was beating Aion on xfire, you'd have the whole fanboi crowd here praising it.

Fanbois of huge MMO failures never like to be shown the truth. I'll be around to laugh when darkfall closes due to lack of subscriptions, not generating enough money to maintain servers and, most important, to pay the developers. Because "zomg I'm so cool I like to be a niche" doesn't work anymore when you're out of money. Or do you think money grows on trees in Greece? I doubt darkfall will survive coming year 2010, specially with the new MMOs coming out in that year. Mark my words, we'll talk again about it soon.

 Korrigan why dont you

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Yup, it's well known people dismiss estimations and statistics using many lousy reasons when those estimations and statistics don't go their way. You can bet that if DFO was beating Aion on xfire, you'd have the whole fanboi crowd here praising it.

Fanbois of huge MMO failures never like to be shown the truth.

No I wouldn't be praising it.

I work at a museum with thousands of people, and a surprising number of those are mmo gamers. It's kinda cool to know so many RL people that play. Out of curiosity I have asked nearly all of them about xfire, not one has even heard of it. Most of these people are wow players too. This is hardly concrete I know. Maybe it seems like everyone uses it because you visit sites like this.

 Why do you think a program like xfire applies to a game that doesn't work properly while it is running?

 I think you guys are missing the point. The point is darkfall had accumulated 17k hits by 8AM in the morning. More than 8 times as many as any other one. Aion has some controversy around it too, and released a few weeks ago. I'm not saying darkfall shouldn't be on top, I'm saying that 17k is a little too much to be reasonable. I haven't seen anything rise that quickly.

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Yup, it's well known people dismiss estimations and statistics using many lousy reasons when those estimations and statistics don't go their way. You can bet that if DFO was beating Aion on xfire, you'd have the whole fanboi crowd here praising it.

Fanbois of huge MMO failures never like to be shown the truth. I'll be around to laugh when darkfall closes due to lack of subscriptions, not generating enough money to maintain servers and, most important, to pay the developers. Because "zomg I'm so cool I like to be a niche" doesn't work anymore when you're out of money. Or do you think money grows on trees in Greece?

lol

10k subscribers can't generate enough money for a dev team of 25 people? GTFO

You seem to fancy yourself a smart guy but you obviously lack some major insight on this subject, do you know anything about the only game similar to darkfall on the market? EvE online followed nearly the exact trend darkfall is following now and look where it is.

If darkfall had more hours on xfire than Aion I would not be one of those contribtuing the hours because darkfall is not designed to appeal to the same large audience as Gaion. It was stated before the launch and during the developement that darkfall was a niche game, sorry it wasn't for you.

 I want to know why this is. And don't tell me it's just interest in the game, cause that's really not possible. Not 17k. Not at 8 AM. Maybe 10PM or something would be more believable or something. Considering most people aren't even up then, it's a little odd.

Again, it doesn't matter all that much, just curious. Although I can't exactly expect a discussion to stay on course here.

Originally posted by Cecropia 

Why do you think a program like xfire applies to a game that doesn't work properly while it is running?

Most of you people here don't seem to understand how polls and sample population work. Nevermind. We'll talk about it again in less than a year anyway. If you guys are still around, that is - they don't keep the forums of dead games around too long usually.

Originally posted by cosy

Originally posted by tensspotting

Originally posted by cosy

Originally posted by tensspotting

Originally posted by cosy

Originally posted by Baggs

 

Don't worry, Aventurine doesn't just work on DarkFall.

They have a lifetime contract making military training software for the Greek Air Forces.

 

So they wont run out of money, be sure of that.

Imo, they made a massive profit from DFO.

No advertising, just two servers, tiny dev team. They made shit loads of money just from the initial sales back in Ferbuary.

Add all the hackers with double and triple accounts + monthly fees for all these months and there you go, even more money.

 

In my book, Aventurine has succeded in many ways.

But im happy for one thing. They showed the big companies out there that games like DFO can work and will work if you make them properly.

 

 

back to the topic  there is your thread generating more hits twitter.com/darkfall_mmorpg/status/5362702018

 

 

So its twitter that generates hits for Darkfall when someone posts updates? I'm not familiar with Twitter but they have huge amounts of people who can check it out so I guess it's possible.

 

If not they should stop the damn macro, turning it on once or twice per day would be enough dumbo ;)

did you see how many updates have that user 10 000 geez

 

 

 

I loled - and its a pretty novel idea really, and I think legal? Im sure mmorpg.com arent averse to having thousands of hits coming directly off twitter.

that user have 700 followers if any of them click one time per update that are 700 000 clicks  the when ppl follow you the updates  show up on follower profile and all follower friend see the update

 

ofc promoting stuff on twitter in legal there is no low against that lol  and that ppl on twitter are real ppl so u cant conssider them bots

Not only the smart players of Darkfall master the hardcore environment on Agon , the brain in them can even outsmart the mediocrity of whole carebear sites :P

Originally posted by Vexe

 I think you guys are missing the point. The point is darkfall had accumulated 17k hits by 8AM in the morning. More than 8 times as many as any other one. Aion has some controversy around it too, and released a few weeks ago. I'm not saying darkfall shouldn't be on top, I'm saying that 17k is a little too much to be reasonable. I haven't seen anything rise that quickly.

There is so much emotion surrounding this game.

When some of the original features supposed to make it into the game never made it in, I think a lot of hearts dropped. A lot of people refuse to let it go. Never could figure out why.

I believe all of this built up emotion is flooding these forums daily.

Originally posted by Vexe

 I want to know why this is. And don't tell me it's just interest in the game, cause that's really not possible. Not 17k. Not at 8 AM. Maybe 10PM or something would be more believable or something. Considering most people aren't even up then, it's a little odd.

We cleared this up a few pages back - its the twitter account with 1k subscribers that has 10k+ tweets, that gets spread around more and more with twitter users.

Its nothing illegal and it's not a bot, just twitterers clicking on the updates as they come along (such as this thread)

Originally posted by tensspotting

Originally posted by Vexe

 I want to know why this is. And don't tell me it's just interest in the game, cause that's really not possible. Not 17k. Not at 8 AM. Maybe 10PM or something would be more believable or something. Considering most people aren't even up then, it's a little odd.

 

We cleared this up a few pages back - its the twitter account with 1k subscribers that has 10k+ tweets, that gets spread around more and more with twitter users.

 

Its nothing illegal and it's not a bot, just twitterers clicking on the updates as they come along (such as this thread)

Thank you. Good people like you keep me from reading whole pages of pointless arguing. Back to rambling.

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Yup, it's well known people dismiss estimations and statistics using many lousy reasons when those estimations and statistics don't go their way. You can bet that if DFO was beating Aion on xfire, you'd have the whole fanboi crowd here praising it.

Fanbois of huge MMO failures never like to be shown the truth. I'll be around to laugh when darkfall closes due to lack of subscriptions, not generating enough money to maintain servers and, most important, to pay the developers. Because "zomg I'm so cool I like to be a niche" doesn't work anymore when you're out of money. Or do you think money grows on trees in Greece? I doubt darkfall will survive coming year 2010, specially with the new MMOs coming out in that year. Mark my words, we'll talk again about it soon.

I hope, for your sake, you don't actually believe that Xfire statistics are an accurate representation of a games population. The people who use Xfire are a small slice of the gaming community. Do you think that it would be accurate to ask only Americans whether or not they believe in the Christian God, and then base what the rest of the world believes on those statistics?

If you answered yes, then take a look at Darkfall's unique hits today. 17k, wowzers.

Originally posted by Alioth

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Yup, it's well known people dismiss estimations and statistics using many lousy reasons when those estimations and statistics don't go their way. You can bet that if DFO was beating Aion on xfire, you'd have the whole fanboi crowd here praising it.

Fanbois of huge MMO failures never like to be shown the truth. I'll be around to laugh when darkfall closes due to lack of subscriptions, not generating enough money to maintain servers and, most important, to pay the developers. Because "zomg I'm so cool I like to be a niche" doesn't work anymore when you're out of money. Or do you think money grows on trees in Greece? I doubt darkfall will survive coming year 2010, specially with the new MMOs coming out in that year. Mark my words, we'll talk again about it soon.

 

I hope, for your sake, you don't actually believe that Xfire statistics are an accurate representation of a games population. The people who use Xfire are a small slice of the gaming community. Do you think that it would be accurate to ask only Americans whether or not they believe in the Christian God, and then base what the rest of the world believes on those statistics?

If you answered yes, then take a look at Darkfall's unique hits today. 17k, wowzers.

x-fire is a very tiny slice of the gaming community. I don't use it and I don't know anyone else in person that does.

To be honest Darkfall is a better game in terms of mechanics. The graphics suck in comparison but the gameplay is a lot more enjoyable than Aion, so who cares if Aion falls lower. 

*Activates flame shield.*

OOriginally posted by tensspotting

Originally posted by Vexe

 I want to know why this is. And don't tell me it's just interest in the game, cause that's really not possible. Not 17k. Not at 8 AM. Maybe 10PM or something would be more believable or something. Considering most people aren't even up then, it's a little odd.

 

We cleared this up a few pages back - its the twitter account with 1k subscribers that has 10k+ tweets, that gets spread around more and more with twitter users.

 

Its nothing illegal and it's not a bot, just twitterers clicking on the updates as they come along (such as this thread)

Or maybe its because a direct link to a thread in these forums was posted in the spotlight section? Might be it too ;)
 

Originally posted by Mystik86

To be honest Darkfall is a better game in terms of mechanics. The graphics suck in comparison but the gameplay is a lot more enjoyable than Aion, so who cares if Aion falls lower. 

*Activates flame shield.*

I agree completely.

The graphics looked nice, but I was not prepared to play yet another mmo clone with wings this time and asian art. No thanks.

I'm actually surprised as many North Americans like the game as much as they do.

Originally posted by Vexe

 I want to know why this is. And don't tell me it's just interest in the game, cause that's really not possible. Not 17k. Not at 8 AM. Maybe 10PM or something would be more believable or something. Considering most people aren't even up then, it's a little odd.

Again, it doesn't matter all that much, just curious. Although I can't exactly expect a discussion to stay on course here.

1 afaik the stats are from the last 24i bet the stats are updated each hour or so so are from the last 24 h all the time even if is 8AM in your time zone 

2 not all mmorpg.com ppl are in same zone like you

3 if there is a bot or not i dont care to much some stats "grief" you and tears are delicious HEHEHEHEHe

Watch out! It's a Trap.

Originally posted by SignusM

OOriginally posted by tensspotting

Originally posted by Vexe

 I want to know why this is. And don't tell me it's just interest in the game, cause that's really not possible. Not 17k. Not at 8 AM. Maybe 10PM or something would be more believable or something. Considering most people aren't even up then, it's a little odd.

 

We cleared this up a few pages back - its the twitter account with 1k subscribers that has 10k+ tweets, that gets spread around more and more with twitter users.

 

Its nothing illegal and it's not a bot, just twitterers clicking on the updates as they come along (such as this thread)

Or maybe its because a direct link to a thread in these forums was posted in the spotlight section? Might be it too ;)
 

So a direct link in the spotlight section posted yesterday has caused an increase in hits for the last 2 weeks?
 

Interesting theory, but I'm going to have to label it incorrect unless you've got some proof of your time machine. 

Might want to stick with your IRC Moderator job over at DarkFall, Signus... you're a bit better at it. 

Dang, we are no longer the most popular game.

This is embarrasing, we got pushed from the top by a space mmo in development. No way they can have 12 k hits without a bot program.

Originally posted by Hotjazz

Dang, we are no longer the most popular game.

 

This is embarrasing, we got pushed from the top by a space mmo in development. No way they can have 12 k hits without a bot program.

Dont worry, this is because of this.

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/352/feature/3689/Star-Trek-Online-Exclusive-Screenshots-Part-Three.html

any game can get the highest hit with a news from mmorpg.com that is place at the homepage so just wait some days, darkfall will rise again.

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Yup, it's well known people dismiss estimations and statistics using many lousy reasons when those estimations and statistics don't go their way. You can bet that if DFO was beating Aion on xfire, you'd have the whole fanboi crowd here praising it.

Fanbois of huge MMO failures never like to be shown the truth. I'll be around to laugh when darkfall closes due to lack of subscriptions, not generating enough money to maintain servers and, most important, to pay the developers. Because "zomg I'm so cool I like to be a niche" doesn't work anymore when you're out of money. Or do you think money grows on trees in Greece? I doubt darkfall will survive coming year 2010, specially with the new MMOs coming out in that year. Mark my words, we'll talk again about it soon.

So because other mmo's are coming in 10 000 add more chance to darkfall to vanish? Tell me, wich of these game will look like darkfal but better? None. Darkfall is darkfall so they will keep their player base. What game do you think DF players will turn on in 2010? None because they all look like wow and we all left wow for the same reasons.

1 last thing, who the hell use Xfire lol...

Originally posted by The_Korrigan

Yup, it's well known people dismiss estimations and statistics using many lousy reasons when those estimations and statistics don't go their way. You can bet that if DFO was beating Aion on xfire, you'd have the whole fanboi crowd here praising it.

Fanbois of huge MMO failures never like to be shown the truth. I'll be around to laugh when darkfall closes due to lack of subscriptions, not generating enough money to maintain servers and, most important, to pay the developers. Because "zomg I'm so cool I like to be a niche" doesn't work anymore when you're out of money. Or do you think money grows on trees in Greece? I doubt darkfall will survive coming year 2010, specially with the new MMOs coming out in that year. Mark my words, we'll talk again about it soon.

Statistics? xfire statistics? Don't talk about statistics until you had to type cells in Excel in by hand because =stdev wanted to keep dividing by 8 instead of 20, and you don't know Excel well enough to figure out a less labor intensive way of calculating the standard deviation of a sample of M&Ms so you can compare it to sigma = sqrt(npq) *grumbles off and throws friend's copy of Quantitative Chemical Analysis against lab professor's head.*

Originally posted by Baggs

Don't worry, Aventurine doesn't just work on DarkFall.

They have a lifetime contract making military training software for the Greek Air Forces.

 

So they wont run out of money, be sure of that.

Imo, they made a massive profit from DFO.

No advertising, just two servers, tiny dev team. They made shit loads of money just from the initial sales back in Ferbuary.

Add all the hackers with double and triple accounts + monthly fees for all these months and there you go, even more money.

 

This could easily be true. I find it interesting, because Darkfall's business and marketing models goes against a lot of conventional wisdom.

Most MMOs fall into the trap of trying to be "everything to everybody" but Darkfall went the route of being "nothing to nobody." Its marketing was quite clever in this respect, because it instilled a sense of superiority in the user-base, and in fact was able to pass off lousy features and design decisions as 'hardcore.' imagine if you would a car that is constantly breaking down, and horribly unintuitive to drive. It has 12 gear boxes in seemingly random places, and a steering wheel that is cross-wired so left goes right and right goes left. It's common to spend 3 hours to trying to start thing. Bad design? No, no... go back to carebear Hondas, you just aren't a hardcore enough driver.

Originally posted by Nipashnaka

Originally posted by Baggs

Don't worry, Aventurine doesn't just work on DarkFall.

They have a lifetime contract making military training software for the Greek Air Forces.

 

So they wont run out of money, be sure of that.

Imo, they made a massive profit from DFO.

No advertising, just two servers, tiny dev team. They made shit loads of money just from the initial sales back in Ferbuary.

Add all the hackers with double and triple accounts + monthly fees for all these months and there you go, even more money.

 

 

This could easily be true. I find it interesting, because Darkfall's business and marketing models goes against a lot of conventional wisdom.

Most MMOs fall into the trap of trying to be "everything to everybody" but Darkfall went the route of being "nothing to nobody." Its marketing was quite clever in this respect, because it instilled a sense of superiority in the user-base, and in fact was able to pass off lousy features and design decisions as 'hardcore.' imagine if you would a car that is constantly breaking down, and horribly unintuituve to drive. It has 12 gear boxes in seemlying random places, and a steering wheel that is cross-wired so left goes right and right goes left. It's common to spend 3 hours to trying to start thing. Bad design? No, no... go back to carebear Hondas, you just aren't a hardcore enough driver.

Now normally if you limit yourself to a digital distribution model, you end up offering some sort of trial or demo and then hooking it into marketing and upsells to payment methods. Drive before you buy. But in our Model T Darkcar, this isn't the case. Instead you buy the car based on the very hype that says Consumer Reports 2/10 was a hit job against small indie car-markers which cater to YOU, the hardcore elite driver. Hell, the reviewer only drove for 6 hours and 3 of those were spent getting the ignition to turn over.

 

Darkfall is a status symbol. A secret handshake for the self-described hardcore elite PvP crowd. Whether or not this is actually true is irrelevant. The perception is everything. Once the consumer is pyschologically bought-in to an idea like this, he becomes your marketing force. Marketing is normally a huge budget of any major MMO company. If you can get your players to do it for free, you're way ahead of the competitiion.

 

 

Often folks try to make a catchy analogy to explain the hodgepodge of junk systems that is darkfall and I've even seen cars used before but this is the best description I've seen of what AV does.  And Greece has an Air Force?