Originally posted by pepsibottle

Originally posted by donjn

Blizzard is smart. They are very concerned about gameplay. No way will they ever allow RMTs that effect your skills. It will always be cosmentic only.

 

Keep telling yourself that, that's what people who play EQ and EQ2 said too. Now they're selling XP potions and armor.

Blizzard =/= SOE.

 Just because Blizzard decides to sponsor an event for charity does not mean that they suddenly will follow SOE's example. That's your poor assumption with no evidence whatsoever.

Paying money for pixels?

Originally posted by Caleveira

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by Caleveira

Looks like someone got up on the emo side of the bed today.

 

Says the guy nerd-raging over a pixel teddy bear on a computer screen.  

 

Was i nerd raging? Been doing nothing but one liners on this thread, really man, you should lighten up and light up if you catch my drift.

Sorry, I have a migraine.  I just got home, checked on here, and see three threads going on this topic full of nerds going apeshit over something really, really dumb.  I apologize.

It's embarrassing crap like this that makes me ashamed to consider myself an MMO gamer. 

Originally posted by FolbyOrb

  They are not selling "in game" items, they are selling "cash shop" items. As far as I know you can not obtain these pets in the game, but only by purchasing them from this new cash shop. If they start selling current season Arena Gear in the cash shop, then they will be breaking their own rule.

What a ridiculous straw man argument.

The cash-shop item is an in-game item, whether it's available through both the game or only the cash-shop is irrelevant since Blizzard themselves DID NOT make this distinction, only you are.

Originally posted by svann

Paying money for pixels?

Well technically you are paying money every month for pixles just to play the game. This is paying even more money for a pet that you cannot keep in real life.

Originally posted by pepsibottle

Originally posted by FolbyOrb

  They are not selling "in game" items, they are selling "cash shop" items. As far as I know you can not obtain these pets in the game, but only by purchasing them from this new cash shop. If they start selling current season Arena Gear in the cash shop, then they will be breaking their own rule.

 

What a ridiculous straw man argument.

The cash-shop item is an in-game item, whether it's available through both the game or only the cash-shop is irrelevant since Blizzard themselves DID NOT make this distinction, only you are.

 

Do you have a current active subscription to World of Warcraft?

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by Caleveira

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by Caleveira

Looks like someone got up on the emo side of the bed today.

 

Says the guy nerd-raging over a pixel teddy bear on a computer screen.  

 

Was i nerd raging? Been doing nothing but one liners on this thread, really man, you should lighten up and light up if you catch my drift.

 

Sorry, I have a migraine.  I just got home, checked on here, and see three threads going on this topic full of nerds going apeshit over something really, really dumb.  I apologize.

It's embarrassing crap like this that makes me ashamed to consider myself an MMO gamer. 

Np, mate.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by pepsibottle

Originally posted by donjn

Blizzard is smart. They are very concerned about gameplay. No way will they ever allow RMTs that effect your skills. It will always be cosmentic only.

 

Keep telling yourself that, that's what people who play EQ and EQ2 said too. Now they're selling XP potions and armor.

 

Blizzard =/= SOE.

 Just because Blizzard decides to sponsor an event for charity does not mean that they suddenly will follow SOE's example. That's your poor assumption with no evidence whatsoever.

Oh no, they are exactly doing what SoE did, first deny multiple times they would allow RMT, then introducing a card-game with items then start selling items directly. It's EXACTLY the same process.

Come on Blizzard give the full amount for every single pet you sell to charity forever!!!!  Or are you to yellow?  How about MMORPG start a charity for people who are thinking of going back to World of Warcraft or buying a pet to stop and just give that 15 dollars or 10 dollars to a charity of MMORPG.com's choosing. 

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by pepsibottle

Originally posted by FolbyOrb

  They are not selling "in game" items, they are selling "cash shop" items. As far as I know you can not obtain these pets in the game, but only by purchasing them from this new cash shop. If they start selling current season Arena Gear in the cash shop, then they will be breaking their own rule.

 

What a ridiculous straw man argument.

The cash-shop item is an in-game item, whether it's available through both the game or only the cash-shop is irrelevant since Blizzard themselves DID NOT make this distinction, only you are.

 

 

Do you have a current active subscription to World of Warcraft?

I used to, been cancelled more than a year ago. Doesn't mean I like the direction MMO are heading though, which makes this story pertinent to my interests.

Originally posted by pepsibottle

I used to, been cancelled more than a year ago. Doesn't mean I like the direction MMO are heading though, which makes this story pertinent to my interests.

Why?

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by pepsibottle

I used to, been cancelled more than a year ago. Doesn't mean I like the direction MMO are heading though, which makes this story pertinent to my interests.

 

Why?

Sounds like he was saying he cared about mmos.

What happens with a game this big, is that it can transform the genre with changes that take place within it.

Originally posted by Eben 

It's embarrassing crap like this that makes me ashamed to consider myself an MMO gamer. 

You are shamed because people who have experienced RMT in other games tell you companies always start off with harmless lil "cosmetic" items, then 1 patch they add in things that do affect the game?  Wow, you have to be living under a rock to not have noticed the RMT movement within the MMO genre.

Actually I take that back, you must have been playing nothing but WoW since it's launch for you to not have noticed the RMT movement in the genre.  But like people said, go ahead and argue for Blizzard.  I like Blizzard as a company, I'm disappointed because I would hate to see Blizzard follow SOE's path.  Blizzard makes tons more money than SOE does with all their games combined, including cash shops.  Why would blizzard need to implement RMT?

These are the same items that would normally get patched into a game, made available via a quest or ingame event.  The very fact that they're making these things to be purchasable by cash means they are definitely going to move into the RMT arena.  So cute lil teddies is just the beginning, and this isn't nerd rage, it's people who have experienced the very same things happening in other games telling you what's going to happen.

Originally posted by Cecropia

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by pepsibottle

I used to, been cancelled more than a year ago. Doesn't mean I like the direction MMO are heading though, which makes this story pertinent to my interests.

 

Why?

 

Sounds like he was saying he cared about mmos.

What happens with a game this big, is that it can transform the genre with changes that take place within it.

Nods, something like that.

Originally posted by Cecropia 

Sounds like he was saying he cared about mmos.

What happens with a game this big, is that it can transform the genre with changes that take place within it.

Yup, as we've already experienced with WoW the game itself.  Just because Blizzard/WoW did it, every other companies wanted a slice of it and started to follow its path.  Good or bad, it doesn't matter, it's the fact that if Blizzard/WoW does it, everybody else in the genre will want to do it.

I knew it would happen sooner or later. Blizzard, the granddaddy of modern PC gaming will wind up opening the flood gates of RMT, and from there it will spread like an epidemic.  Before long even single player console games will be infected with RMT, MARK MY WORDS.

At this rate I will just wind up going back to classic console and PC titles, to hell with modern gaming.  Games these days are made with one teaspoon of talent and one gallon of greed.  They all mostly suck and are all way too easy anyway.

Truly a black day for gamers everywhere.

Originally posted by heremypet

I knew it would happen sooner or later. Blizzard, the granddaddy of modern PC gaming will wind up opening the flood gates of RMT, and from there it will spread like an epidemic.  Before long even single player console games will be infected with RMT, MARK MY WORDS.

At this rate I will just wind up going back to classic console and PC titles, to hell with modern gaming.  Games these days are made with one teaspoon of talent and one gallon of greed.  They all mostly suck and are all way too easy anyway.

Truly a black day for gamers everywhere.

Amen, but it's not even Blizzard I hate for this - it's the supposed 'players' who are defending it. They disgust me.

Originally posted by Mardy

You are shamed because people who have experienced RMT in other games tell you companies always start off with harmless lil "cosmetic" items, then 1 patch they add in things that do affect the game?  Wow, you have to be living under a rock to not have noticed the RMT movement within the MMO genre.

 Actually I take that back, you must have been playing nothing but WoW since it's launch for you to not have noticed the RMT movement in the genre.  But like people said, go ahead and argue for Blizzard.  I like Blizzard as a company, I'm disappointed because I would hate to see Blizzard follow SOE's path.  Blizzard makes tons more money than SOE does with all their games combined, including cash shops.  Why would blizzard need to implement RMT?

 These are the same items that would normally get patched into a game, made available via a quest or ingame event.  The very fact that they're making these things to be purchasable by cash means they are definitely going to move into the RMT arena.  So cute lil teddies is just the beginning, and this isn't nerd rage, it's people who have experienced the very same things happening in other games telling you what's going to happen.

No, I've noticed it.  It's just never affected me, since I've really chosen to ignore it, or avoided those games that offered crap like that.

Now, I'll elaborate a bit.  What I see here, is people going apeshit over Blizzard selling a couple of $10 vanity pets for charity, that do nothing in game.  Just sorta walk around looking cute.  Now, I'm reading all this, and in the back of my mind, I'm thinking back to a conversation I had a few years ago with a co-worker of mine.  He's one of these self-described 'hardcore' MMO gamers.  37 year old guy, single, living with two cats, and I recall him telling me that he had to borrow money from his parents to pay the registration for his car, because blew an entire paycheck buying  max-level characters for Everquest 2.  For one of his like, 6 EQ2 accounts. 

So, I'm not arguing for Blizzard.  I just don't care, and I guess I can't understand why there are so many people that do.  I can see how it could go bad, but it seems that the genre has been dealing with far more insidious crap for awhile now.  When I can buy a max-level toon in WoW, then I'd be pissed.  But until then...guys are freaking out about teddy bears. 

I hope everyone understand that they can add armour and weapon skins to the shop. As long as they are only comsetic things everything should be fine.

 Blizzard has been RMT for awhile now.  /shrugs.

Originally posted by Mardy

Originally posted by Cecropia 

Sounds like he was saying he cared about mmos.

What happens with a game this big, is that it can transform the genre with changes that take place within it.

 

Yup, as we've already experienced with WoW the game itself.  Just because Blizzard/WoW did it, every other companies wanted a slice of it and started to follow its path.  Good or bad, it doesn't matter, it's the fact that if Blizzard/WoW does it, everybody else in the genre will want to do it.

But in truth, everything WoW did, was done before, which is where Blizzard gets it from

 I think everyone has been aware for awhile now that companies making MMORPG's were going to look into other ways of making money, these things are expensive as hell to run and they have a lot of people to pay.  

We can kick and scream about it, or adapt or go back to single player games, it may not be the future you want but RMT isn't going away and will probably be even more noticable with future games. I bet S:TOR will use RMT, i bet STO will use RMT.  RMT is not going away.

These companies have heard all the points against it, yet they still move forward with it, sounds like they aren't too worried about losing those people.

Originally posted by Scalebane

 I think everyone has been aware for awhile now that companies making MMORPG's were going to look into other ways of making money, these things are expensive as hell to run and they have a lot of people to pay.  

We can kick and scream about it, or adapt or go back to single player games, it may not be the future you want but RMT isn't going away and will probably be even more noticable with future games. I bet S:TOR will use RMT, i bet STO will use RMT.  RMT is not going away.

These companies have heard all the points against it, yet they still move forward with it, sounds like they aren't too worried about losing those people.

It seems like you are waving the white flag.

The fight has only begun.

The Pandaren Monk is better because it ads +2 to all your damage, and the other one only ads +1.

Originally posted by Scalebane 

These companies have heard all the points against it, yet they still move forward with it, sounds like they aren't too worried about losing those people.

They do it because unfortunately people do spend a lot of money buying cash shop items.  Here's a recent example.  In EQ1 someone posted about having burned $300 into LoN card game, in hopes to get a loot card he wanted.  Of course $300 later he didn't get the item he wanted.  This is just 1 person.

Now $300 can buy you almost 2 years worth of subscription to the game.  So even if some people leave the game due to these RMT/cash shops, the companies are making too much money off people who have too much money to spend on virtual goods.  They can stand to lose subscribers.

This is why these companies gamble and implement RMT, and this is why we will see more RMT in all future MMO's.  Yes, people kick & scream, but in the end of the day, they make too much money off the people that do spend money.  They also realize $15/month is cheap entertainment and that we're all a bunch of gamers addicted to playing games.